twin core state er, incl. and under the litvins rose, including with the so-called old catholic belarusian population. that is, this is the homeland, part of the sternum part of the vitebsk region - these are people who were baptized into catholicism, who have not been orthodox for a single day, but who are in the process of all this, being litvins by origin. they switched to the belarusian language so arose. here is this subcultural group as part of the emerging belarusian ethnic group and from here. by the way, we have these old catholics some of these cockroaches, through colonization , began to recognize themselves as poles, that is, our poles did not fly by parachute. these are the same belarusian-speaking litvinians who became poles as a result of the unacceptable processes of the twenties and thirties of ethnic poles in belarus with a candle , you need to look for this to make it clear. i do not urge anyone to simply rewrite passports. how was it the uncle of the great

belarusian soviet, yuha makarsky, well, you know karsky, he will live in his homeland, and now, when news was collected there before the census, who what language who how he considers himself he walked on these. uh, who are you? did they say? we are here ashley, our region is on the non-russian non-pulletian, and the lizanny region is the lithuanians. they could not consider themselves, because they spoke belarusian, and russians, especially poles, too, and these tutyshs partly became poles, partly became belarusians today. it was stretched out for a very long time, and as a result, what we see, if you take any ethnographic map, a reliable map, you will see where they end in the territory of modern the republic of lithuania borders the belarusian language, as for the fact that in latvia this is our zone of our colonization of moisture. if someone has forgotten, let me remind you that when the independent latvian republic arose and when our belarusian city of zvensk became

daugavpils. first he was a dinoburg, then he was a dvina. now he dabbled. so, it’s very important there. the fact is that after that 16th century , the belarusian presence felt very powerful in latgale and revived or in no way emerged in the national the latvian state that existed until the accession of these territories to the soviet union a. uh, the belarusians were the second largest in terms of the number of people, and we had cultural national autonomy there until the bloody ones came. uh, their dictator president ulmanis, and there were a lot of belarusian gymnasiums of belarusian schools. vlad of latvia, and therefore this is the strip, first of all, the heirs of those who continue to disregard themselves. not latvians, no matter what kind of passport they have the region is a problem that worries

lithuanians very much, because there is either polish, national identity. uh, well, it dominates, or these are our tutuishs, who some consider themselves poles, who are now belarusians. this is a given, and in this regard, he himself would be correct calmly without too much engagement. by the way, there are quite smart people among lithuanian historians who understand that there are things that they are still unable to digest, that they will never be. and what is happening here is a part of the city of vilna, which has always been old, belarus, of course, how they deal with this, when you and i go through a sharp gate, all these quarters are ours, there are orthodox churches, there are gothic renaissances, set basilian , what they do, they announce that this is not belarusian ukrainian. and they are trying to give something else to the uniate ukrainian bazelyam ura. the cemetery cries out the most ancient of the xii century, when, according to the idea, more than 700 burials

of the early east slavs, they remove the semantic ones. yes, we are generally from uh carte blanche in 1940. i just read documents, how they erased the memory of us, how they carried out violent or tonicization, when they were immediately presented with these territories , when ivanovich gave them later, when the lithuanian ussr became until the forty-first year, how they continued this summerization, the germans, came with the germans continued this letunization and finished us off already in the soviet union after why are they represented in belarus? in what way the poles do not pose such a threat, because we are close, and the poles are also nearby. the fact is that no more. not ukraine does not declare its claims on the historical heritage of the grand duchy of lithuania, these claims are not territorial, although they are afraid of

territorial ones, but we calmly after we got this opportunity, we began to return the truth about their cultural code. you see, i want to tell you the history of belarus without guilt is impossible to understand. well, remember, some illiterate lithuanian official recently stated that francis karina printed lithuanian books frenchman karina did not print lithuanian books in the capital of the grand duchy of lithuanian russian and zhamoi printed books on belarusian life in the old belarusian language, but which was then called russian or ruthenian and you just need to know about it and uh, hmm, again, newspapers and periodicals and cents. the most important cultures, and the university of villa and the professors - this is the university of verino, we cannot but talk about it. yes, it's a common capital. uh, understand, high cultural codes, neither belarusian nor

lithuanian nor jewish, by the way. it’s impossible not to be blameless, but but this monocentric uh is so purely lithuanian concept, but they want to use it for themselves for internal consumption, for god's sake, but demand from us that we give up our past. and ekaterina aleksandrovich i hope you haven't seen it for a long time. yes, because you are now just national security. i don't know, i'm a threat, also of polish nationality. i'm not there for 50 years closed. a. well, i really don't , i don't even have a clue, in which hmm polish city? no, it was not the same as in lithuanian. and the villa, of course, for me this is the most a big punch in the gut. why because i traveled very often, always this for me. this is so for me this is a place of power, you understand? i

'll tell you. i already remember when i was a senator, and i continued to travel. eh, to various international symposiums at the university of vilnius, and the most interesting thing is that i was friends with many and quite high-ranking scientists or tosks, who also occupied a high administrative position in the scientific hierarchy. i will not give the names of the belarusian andrajians, who, long before the twentieth year, were removed there and worked in yaga and here we went to a good restaurant. after the lecture, we sit, so we drink lithuanian beer a little, and there were very high-ranking people in the scientific world, and one of the guru of the belarusian reflection poked, saw , changed in the face, and my colleagues ran. tomorrow there will be a denunciation that we were sitting together at the same table. ah, but to be honest, i've always been. what i did was start at

all these banquets, and everything else. uh, when it was over, but the first thing i did when i came to lithuania when i came to vilnia. i always went under a sharp gate, well, it will rain, whatever i threw things. it means that at night early in the morning, it means early in the morning, i always reached through the sharp braun. when i walked through this quarter, i just need to understand it, and then i climbed mount khitimin without fail. here is the ritual. so we assume that they will close from us with iron. you understand what's the matter. this is an old thing. now, girls, don't laugh. can you imagine normal relations between the republic of lithuania and republic of belarus for a long time. 20 years. our ingenious ballet, the ingenious staging of the prince of species and ours gathered on tour. they won't let you lie to vilnius already down. and almost there , on the independence day of lithuania, they gathered and

there you almost sold out the tickets. how do you think it ended? it turned out to be a soft belarusian force, a threat to national security, and our tours were banned. uh, they were canceled, but they. you don’t represent us, you know this syndrome of a small people who are afraid of a big one. a like one i won’t give his last name either, so as not to hurt him a good guy in lithuania well, as a guy, he’s already the same adult guy as i said, you know, we always imagined you, or always as a big drunk slavic peasant who is lying around in his garden, and at this time we cut. uh, his countrymen moved the fence. and suddenly he woke up. and what to do with you? i've read a report about belarusian mythology around the grand duchy of lithuania, you can also eat such thermonuclear ones, very offensive in order to myths that have nothing at all with science they have, and i once had such a report, and they invited me. they had a club there.

lovers of the grand duchy of lithuania are so international and someone gathered, including every beau monde and representatives of parliamentary factions, came from the administration of the president of lithuania, that is, a chic place in some center , abbreviated kael inc yes karelians incl. yes, i read the report, showed slides, the official part ended and began unofficially, and then climbed. firstly, it would have been me then when there was a conflict of the georgian russian. remember when you were there in 2008, right? this is exactly the year 2008, in my opinion, that's when , uh, when saakashvili left the tie, and i was asked a question. and about whether belarus will adopt the aggressive history of the casino, she says late, i don’t have any territorial claims, but i’m still interested in him i couldn’t stand it, then i went to the doctor in afraid well, you the country of nata was very slavic, not a printed phrase that

there were no cameras there and it was said that the georgians were also very a lot, but this is how i clean it. uh, profanity was also promised a lot. that is, they are really afraid of this, a bottle of some kind of alcohol with the inscription radivil will not have time to come out. or some cheese or sausage that says albert and didn't have time? no, the governor didn’t have time, then at that moment the governor of the ksenitsy cut the ribbon in vitebsk on the monument to prince albert , when just a permanent hysteria began, there always they just track every movement under a microscope. this is our body movement. they they thought that we were stealing their history, that we were stealing its heroes. what and what is all, yes, a threat to lithuanian national security. brand. here it is, here it is, yes. it's the fact that with us, if we behaved like this, then we could also throw a tantrum every day,

because when an album comes out and lithuanian castles are written on it, and in these lithuanian castles there is a vile castle there. well, it's still historical. they have lithuania behind me a dream , here they are, when i think that a person does not know the history of the 20th century well, he says, or maybe k an agreement signed by lenin in the twentieth year, and this is an agreement according to which lithuania was supposed to take grodno and a lot of other interesting things on our territory. uh, according to their concepts, historical lithuania , which they interpret in baltic categories, should end somewhere in the zaslavl region, you understand, all belarusian-speaking catholics , as well as polish-speaking there or polish -polish national consciousness, according to the concept of lithuanian nationalists. these lithuanians are geeks who have renounced their native language. and well, nothing with the right approach. their can be forced to switch to lithuanian, so all these lands, grodno, all the rest there

, wherever there are catholics. there was lithuania an ethnic group and these territories according to them in the concept of lithuanian nationalists. at the beginning of the 20th century, the most interesting thing should belong to lithuania, what exactly, as the banking side, the most interesting thing is that the renaissance when the lithuanian statehood took place after the first world war, and this happened under the patronage of the kaiser and there should have been according to the german idea. it should have been to be dependent on the german state from the refusaler germany, and they were going to create the lithuanian kingdom to the representatives of the german dynasty at the head and when brest began to argue in brest there. and where is the border? before that, the germans issued very objective maps and allowed belarusian schools in the zone of occupation, which when they , when this front advanced on the street to the district, everything will become baranovich there. and when the soviet delegation there began to say so, your maps also show that this is not lithuanian on

maps. you can draw at night. that is, it was such an expediency, such an ideology, as a result, a conflict arose between the belarusian national movement and the melitov national movements. and this conflict, then faded, then exploded in very situations and in the twenties and thirties, lithuania was fiercely hated, poland because it took the vilna region and the vilnius. but when you read, the creator of central lithuania, general zhaligovsky. yes, but he was sasha. and so he considered himself a litvin, an old litvin, and he was in forty-two, i was forty published a pamphlet in london in the third year. where is he? a. he is such a pan-slav - whist was he writes the grand duchy of lithuania is the center of the slavic world, the historical heritage does not belong to this, but belongs only to belarusians and poles and became them there to the fullest. yes, you understand this self-consciousness of a person who was a litvin and a pole, at the same time

an old litvin. that is, he was a pole by culture, but at the same time. this is such a traditional already masturbated gentry, which for poland, with the help of the first lithuanian belarusian division, consisted of i took away local cross-country shoes from lithuania, i will repeat once again. that when we talk about the grand duchy of lithuania, we must understand that this is a polly-lingual field, a confessional large state, but the basis of its culture is the main state institutions, when they arose, yes, and when it developed it was the result of slavic influence, initially it was an east slavic belarusian impulse and ukrainian, if used in modern, but still they were pivotal. ah, belarusian lands. here we need the same classic ukrainian historiography mykhailo hrushevsky wrote that the grand duchy of lithuania is not ukrainian, but first of all belarusian state that is, he did not deny

the lithuanian dynasty there. well, these things you just need to understand that uh hmm this is not an ethnic baltic. lithuania the grand duchy of lithuania would never have been a grand duchy; there is simplification and protection in its creation. everyone was interested in our nobels , our nobility from minsk, vitebsk, polotsk, mogilev , pinsk, by the way, the pennies helped a lot. there is already a way out to return. eh, the princely throne and put things in order for the same lithuania, therefore these things, and they are very rigidly politicized. there are several mutually exclusive political concepts, professional scientists are well aware of how it really was and there are political constructs that are thrown both from one side and the other, but at the same time, an attempt, uh, to shut up belarusians and declare that the grand duchy is only

lithuanian statehood, first of all, is a lie. this is a falsification. it's doomed to failure, because we have our own independent state. and the grand duchy of lithuania russian ezhemoyskaya is a historical form of belarusian. that lithuanian statehood is also ours, but certainly ours, and we can be proud that the entire high culture of the grand duchy of lithuania flowed first in belarusian language forms, here old belarusian or ruthenian russians, and then in polish-language slavic forms too and not a single day in the lithuanian language. in this state was not a state to have whole phrases on separate documents in lithuanian, then for christians they began to publish khizis for this. everything else, but the lithuanian language never performed the function of the state language, because at the time of creation, lithuanian

writing was included. it just didn't exist in nature. on the air say again, don't be silent, and our guest fascinating interlocutor professor igor marzalyuk. and also the hero of the day is very soon on september 11, you have a beautiful date. uh, with what baggage it is customary to ask approach this anniversary, it is a very question. actually. you can of course laugh it off. but i'm on to a large extent. i feel like i'm where i really wanted to be. i reached the level of self -realization that i could only dream of when i was there in my early 20s. this is the first moment and the second moment is that i am a happy person, because i have

people whom i love and who love me. well, the fact that there is someone who pathologically does not digest me. it's also great to eat you don't cause strong emotions, so it's bad. i just usually like to say in such cases, the saying is wolf dogs, not afraid of ringing, do not like, and therefore and my wildest dream came true. in the late eighties, when i was very young, belarus became a truly independent country. we have real sovereignty, you know, i remember the most fantastic story that i read and it seemed to me the most fantastic. i don’t remember it already in the children ’s pioneer magazine berezka or in which it was written about the fact that the belarusian e bobbilding team went to the world cup. i think god, this can never be, because there is no country and hardly ever whether there will ever be independence, therefore

, i am happy that belarus is an independent country. i am happy that each of us is also a colossal achievement and yegor that some things are to strengthen the independence and self-sufficiency of his country. i did and not exaggerate my role in these moments, but i'm proud of it, therefore. i am happy. i am full of energy. i have favorite people. i created books that will be argued with, and then when i'm gone forever, and for a scientist this is a great happiness, but also as politicians, i i tried to do everything possible and impossible so that the formula of the ancient romans found patriotism. life is short motherland is eternal. it continued to be realized in our holy , beautiful, wonderful land, better than which for a belarusian, perhaps, only this land and none.