ezhayut yes, they are not organized, because the business of our western neighbors forbid banks to work with belarus. so we don’t have contracts for a transaction, but still people go by themselves. they're spending. here the money rests, sees that we have a normal decent life here and what is relayed further at home. and of course, when the supply chain recovers, uh, fully, after all, turkey has always been for us, uh, the target market. and here and uh, in the new emerging world, that is, i would already forget everything that was before the twentieth year, as before our era, but in the new emerging world in the new macro-region, after all, the countries of the middle east and india in the first place. these are our target markets, because the product is the resource that we have, it falls into the criteria, uh, the consumption of the indian tourist, but if nothing is done for years, we may not get flow from there. our task is to work like this 100 more powerfully. indian uh,

distributions work with them give them products give commissions. give some discounts. well, this is the thing what you need to do necessarily here is how we develop logistics once. you have already touched on this topic. that's about flights. we will discuss logistics with india a little - this is a feat. e, belavi. here, in a simple way, there is a flight. this means that there is an opportunity to fight for it, but i would very much like more activity from both business and responsible structures for marketing electro-left, even our policy in tourism, not to waste time, but to join this. that's how in general then, if you look at the logistics issues, how are they, uh, developing today? uh within the situation. i would rate them as effective whether it's a straight flight. e to india for e, fixed flight programs in the capital of the eaeu, and e, the cis and this one here. great regional program with the russian federation in the first place,

that is, tourists from ufa from perm from yekaterinburg and kazan arrived, that is, something that happened before did not have. and that's a big plus. and, in principle, the potential that needs to be developed further, but it cannot be developed by one union or several private companies or even serious state holdings, is there should be a consolidated joint policy. by these words beautiful, what i mean, we need to understand. how many tourists come to us from ufa or yekaterinburg , what do they buy. how much do they pay for it? who sends them? and what should we do to have more of them next year? the questions are quite simple, but the answers to them are very complex.

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with us today, our studios are the most interesting interlocutors, experienced diplomats. now the deputy head of the commission of international affairs andrey sminykh, as well as political scientist alexei german, a russian intelligence officer will also contact us today. in the past, today we are mgimo professor andrey bezrukov, in one word, a great opportunity to talk about events and meanings, but let's start with what we are here, that the program is not everything, and peaceful ways for ukraine were discussed at the last anti-brik, only here , it seems that in kiev they are setting up for a long war. listen for yourself. uh-huh i'm cutting it. forgiveness, guilt, we are ready for people. oh, so it will be possible, but to minimize the victims is not to hid there

israel i said you can live like this. you can at least on the territory of russia well, the great ryzy, why exactly my very own. well, look at this it would seem a small fragment. and how many people she said no negotiations to you and tune in to a long war, this was also said. should the war go to the territory of russia, you and i understand that such an interview is usually not spontaneous, and something tells me that in this particular case there was no spontaneity, in general, what are andrey vladimirovich zelensky ready for in this case ukrainian population of ukrainian viewers. well, first of all, one important point must be taken into account, uh, the ukrainian leadership does not make any decisions, it is completely under the control of external control centers , these external centers need a war

in order to exhaust russia in order to ideally bring it to what - well , a difficult period of economic political whatever, uh, well, let's not forget that u russia is not the direction of the main blow, the main conflict of the twenty-first century, this is still a conflict with china, uh, but another issue that i think he is wishful thinking. well, the war won't last long. and here you need to understand one more simply important point, the current leadership, realizing that ukraine’s victory will not just take time in order to get additional income and solve some of their issues, but obviously they are not interested in regulating the situation not in securing a future for the ukrainian people. and this is really a tragedy ivanovich well, it seems to me, really

let's say the conditions for maintaining power for zelensky. so the team is the continuation of this war, because you give us a different mode. yes, questions will arise. still , the pro-efficiency of the management of the same army about how much ukraine has become dependent and lost its sovereignty, these questions will be asked, like e. the mothers of the dead will also ask questions. and why were these meat assaults? yes, which ended in nothing and so on. this is a cumulative effect. this one will sooner or later affect specifically zelensky and, in principle, all the power configuration that exists there, but as long as they are in the zombie state, that is , when it is coded by external players, let's say, this can go on for quite a long time. but we all know that sooner or later these zombies run out of any power. yes, and we see that this moment is already

approaching, because, well, obviously not enough, not even just weapons. and as a matter of fact, some kind of morale and fighting spirit . hmm, so they want to stretch it out as long as possible. it's in quotes pleasure, especially the western states that are doing business on this, but this will not last long and russia will also have to think about a different format of interaction. well, we have already understood that zelensky is the president of the war , there is no doubt about this. there is no longer any doubt about this. and there is outside other ukraine e. well, people are not for this, there are politicians of power who are able to offer and, most importantly, implement. here is another alternative. let's just say a certain peaceful option or variant. even this war with the possibility of escaping the decay that still looms on the horizon of ukraine i think that these forces are certainly there, but deep inside. yes , because now they are under the pressure of terror, it is difficult for them to declare any position,

even if it is neutral. yes, at least hmm not to mention there to take into account the interests of neighbors in belarus, russia, but everything can change, because today ukraine is not so independent as to completely clean up the entire field. yes, we all understand that politicians of various kinds can come to the west as well. yes , who will say, well, that's enough, probably, that's such a frantic war. let's listen here these, that is, maybe such. well , of course, small comments. we still have to give ourselves to the fathers, in the essence of the ukrainian government. that is, it is a totalitarian system that completely destroyed everyone. it is clear to the opponents that 80% of the population of ukraine may not support this course, but the interests of the people are realized only if there is an organizational tool - a political

party, a leader, and so such parties and leaders in ukraine are simply eliminated. and so it is impossible to wait for any change. remember uh germany there was like an anti-hitler underground, but political parties began to form the organization of society only after the red army came there. i think it will be the same here, in their dependence on , let's say, partners, these zelensky perfectly create, but they know how to play this role as well , seems to be ready from the game to the end in the same interview with which we started today, he corrects himself and says that they say that the victory over russia will not be ours. and our partner, in which we are given with eyebrows, that is, he the last here all the same pays tribute to that here without them there are two moments. eh, alekseevich correctly said the thing is that ukraine can no longer resist. well,

really, that is, it survives solely on the financial and military support of western countries, if suddenly for some reason this support would stop. uh, the war would be over within a week at the most. well , let's then partners and talk everything you need to know about the high relations of kiev and the washingtons in a peculiar way admonished zelensky american guests you are obliged to win so that we don’t lose, a group of senators arrived in kiev to personally congratulate zelensky on a holiday that hardly has anything to do with the current independence day, the senator on the timing tape judging by the tone, he actually ordered a friend, volodya to the world to hold elections in 2024 and declared the need for victory. front further i will read slowly. and you think about it so the words of graham you must win a war that we cannot afford to lose. that is , it turns out that thousands of ukrainian guys die for the sake of their uncle's victory. sam we are his senator now

d supplements that what you were talking about, that is, they will not let him, let's say, leave the game, but here i would repeat this wording once again just six months ago. this was categorically denied, but in reality, the conflict in ukraine is not a conflict between russia and ukraine , it is a conflict between the national state of russia and the owners of transnational financial corporations, look here, what other kind of financial oligarchy do you know, yes, which controls, uh, the state apparatuses of the us uk eu and leads this war. and so this is a very important point, right? and look how interesting they are now turning. closer to the elections, everyone is coming closer to the ukrainian elections, including senators graham says that it is impossible to cancel the choice not for the elections, and in the same interview that we already talked about today, he makes it clear in such a very cunning way in

his usual manner that i will not give up the money put on weapons in order to spend them on a choice. that is, he understands that the chair is rocking very seriously. naturally, moreover, he can earn money on weapons his colleagues and from the same financial oligarchs. this is profitable and the businessman pushes him to the polls then. but still, it seems to me, there is a certain desire for the western. elites build a framework for zelensky we see that he periodically breaks down and begins to accuse them of making claims, they say. mara malaya weapons, little money, here, and here it is, well, in general, it’s hard formatting , if it’s customary for them to perform certain ritual actions under yes elections, then they need to be performed and, accordingly, you need to fulfill the conditions in order to get the next portion, money is a weapon, that is, they keep it in control mode. and naturally. uh, the elite in kiev would like under the guise of war. uh, the introduction of martial

law, cancel any elections even more to toughen that totalitarian regime. yes, so that there weren’t any at all, but opportunities to somehow move this power. they stayed there, if not forever, then for as long as they were supposed to be there, so this is a struggle, including for control. yes, so that they are more obedient ukrainian politicians specifically zelensky well, so that american senators representatives of the oligarchs. still, they were confident in the right to invest their money. me here i completely agree with this assessment. i would just add one such aspect here, the thing is that the western elites, they are used to the show. they have long turned the election process into a certain show of beautiful even the term is. strictly speaking, the western researchers of the country. after democracy , i left there again, but already democratic processes were replaced by certain ones, so to speak, ritual

ritual is a very good word. alex said and it's the same here. ah, the ukrainian government. says why we will be hypocritical? let's cancel elections, so to speak, this is a more radical position. and they say no , let's do it beautifully. let's just falsify them, but you mean that there are no free, honest elections that could move this government at least one iota , neither in the first nor in the second case , the rotation instead of zelensky will be put in, except for zaluzhny or budanny, it will be risky. uh, again washington uh, again clearly not democratically, and for reasons of expediency, if zelensky does not work out effectively enough. tasks that come from there will replace it. well, uh, from the fact that for us an important mood signal. uh, at least, here is the auto-training for the ukrainian population, which was voiced by zelensky and during the long war, this signal for us

that we should not reduce the degree of our combat readiness is one of the factors of our security. well, probably along with the fact that we have tactical nuclear weapons. it is, of course, then those joint actions, who take on our military together with a dude, and but we saw that after the death of prigozhin, there was a lot of speculation about the fate of the wagnerites on our territory and alexander lukashenko dotted everything and i propose to listen to this issue, then we will discuss this topic, wagner also lived importantly will live in belarus, no matter how much someone would like it, prigozhin and i shot at everyone. how will wagner be located with us and these pictures from space that we are dismantling something? why do we remove the extra tents, we don’t need so much these tents. so much is not needed here remains the core. uh, someone left. here on vacation. uh,

someone, uh, in general, decided to live on the sidelines, but phone numbers, addresses, turnout passwords. in this headquarters in this core are known within a few days everyone will be here up to 10,000 people. now there is no need to keep them, so they don’t bake anywhere as much as we need and i will not live and work here for this unit. yes, alex, i have such a question. hmm. and for whom, first of all, alexander lukashenko . that's all. eh, he says. how do you think, to whom these words are addressed, but it seems to me that there is an internal recipient of this information, both externally and internally. probably , if we are talking about the union space, there are also many questions in russia about what will happen to wagner after the tragic death of the leadership. and, of course, they are closely following the fate of these people in our western direction in poland, especially. yes

, for them this is just an existential factor. i watch as a result of the elections. it seems to me that it even depends on where to move to adler there, in what part of belarus, of course, this is also manipulation. they sell fear. they sell threats to their population. yes, and on this they are trying to raise the rating of the ruling party. and by the way, it turns out, yes, because they know how to intimidate after all. here, well actually uh president, as always in you do not dot the manner. that is, these people will help our army. they will perform certain tasks that we will need, but naturally, we are not planning aggressive actions, but we see perfectly what is happening there and therefore, here such a formation, as one of the tools, is far from superfluous, especially in the conditions of these hybrid conflicts, when it is not clear who can penetrate the territory, when the state disowns some, say, military formations very often and we see this

happening all over the world, therefore i think that while we have these people will be useful, some of them will really work with us. well, some of it is optional. uh, there are different contracts in there , including in africa, but if necessary, we heard, they can be collected. we are very fast. yes, i absolutely agree with this approach. and here i just highlighted the main point. why the death of the leader wagner will not affect the effectiveness of the organization , the thing is that, like any institution of the pmc , it is organized in such a way that one person, escaping and disappearing, does not break the entire organizational team structure. this is always thought through, always done, and therefore, beyond any doubt, the wagner pmc will continue to function as efficiently without prigozhin, the second moment that needs to be determined. i think it's important though emphasize. although this moment may be

painful even for the belarusian society , the thing is that, well, we are not ready to actively defend our homeland. i get asked this question very often in the classrooms. we are ready to take up arms to defend our country. army, yes , and the president must be given credit for doing. everything possible goes to any steps in order to prevent an open armed conflict along the perimeter of our border, thereby saving both the population and society. remember in your time. he asked the question that sovereignty is worth a lot we are ready to pay for this sovereignty. here's the question today. e, the meaning of this question is beginning to be fully revealed e and the appearance in our country of both tactical nuclear weapons and the wagner pmc are, in fact, measures that are aimed at

making any conflict in god our borders impossible. pmc wagner plays a very important role here. why because it's 10,000 people who have gone through real battle clashes. they are worth much more than uh, they took the entire baltic army and half polish. and this means that their appearance here balances the offensive potential of the defense and, in principle, makes any adventures. in this direction, meaningless. we said a must say a b e college. we touched on the topic of dude wagner, i understand perfectly well, the number of versions of the reasons for this plane crash, which, well, happened suddenly and for many it was a shock of confusion, but for someone it became a reason to carry out their special psychological operations, but however, how not to touch this topic impossibility of all versions. which one seems most plausible to you, if you follow the logic, who benefits? alexey valerievich

do you have any? thoughts on this score, the first thing i will say is the most implausible version. it seems to me, after all, the version of involvement, of the russian leadership itself, firstly, because there is no longer such a need. yes, all these events with the rebellion left, and prigozhin was already building up some kind of new system of relations. in principle, it would satisfy. it seems to me that the authorities in russia and this is the first. that is, i do not see such a rational motivation or some other one in order for it to be here according to this version, but there are other versions, at least. yes , the version with wagner's activity in africa seems interesting to me, and we know that france is such an interesting country with very old traditions. here are similar colonial traditions, including massacres, that's over.

smart people over others yes, this is the version. here she is. it seems to me that this is quite interesting, the second. this, of course, we do not yet know the details of the investigation. but what a it is now emerging, after all, that this bomb was probably planted on earth. yes, the fact that some kind of employee was bribed, or was there a technical one or not? this suggests that all the same, the agents, for example, ukrainian, that operate there, they are very active. this, too, cannot be discarded, discarded, plus in the same place, perhaps, a comprehensive, let's say, approach. yes, that is , the western intelligence service takes the ukrainian one in a row, their interests coincide and they are engaged in similar actions, therefore, it seems to me, you still need to look for the trace foreign due to the very great danger of wagner both in ukraine and acceptable in africa i agree with these assessments. i won't even guess. which version is correct. eh

why? because this should answer this one , it should simply give a consequence, but it is important, i want to emphasize. uh, another point is that this death did not lead to a decrease in the defense potential, not for pmcs, nor for russia or belarus, this will not be a negative consequence of any complication of the internal political situation in our countries. and this means that the result in any case is not reached. moving on, not only ukraine in the neighborhood partially. this was touched upon to the west, another initiative similar to fence building. now not exclusively, polish, national zabava reached out and other heads of the ministry of the interior made your latvia more gathered and adopted a terrible statement to close the border with belarus in the event of a critical incident. moreover, in addition to the two closed on august 18, lithuania is going to close two more checkpoints. here i am telling you what to think about it . well, you know, if you say so,

after all, to speculate a little, i sometimes think, here are the baltic states the political elite of the baltic states, after all, it is not independent in the same way. they also receive instructions from external centers of power in the same way. that's how they envy zelensky or not? on the one hand, it seems not, they do not have a war and the situation is simpler on the other hand. it seems that they are jealous. why? because a lot can be attributed to the war, you can easily intimidate alex here, his own population is absolutely right. and you can make a lot of money. and so, sometimes it seems to me that they deliberately compensate for the absence of a war for this escalation of tension when they try to create some kind of nervous situation from scratch. well, i also agree that they sometimes succeed. judging by the interest that lithuanians show in a trip to belarus, it is more likely that

they are not shutting down our citizens. this is a different aspect, the thing is that when lithuanians come here they see well-being here in a peaceful life and, yes, simply a different lifestyle, a different state of mind, even in the people of the population, this is certainly a very serious destabilizing factor. from the president of lithuania to the seat, he probably understood what this could lead to, or thought about zelensky and decided for himself that, probably, the military prospect is still not as attractive as it seemed. previously, he urged not to arrange a company to close the control of checkpoints on the border with belarus, and he says so, it is necessary to assess the inconvenience for residents, and then, as if by chance, losses are also impossible. naturally, because here is the tare torika that sounds from warsaw from the baltic capitals. yes, while they cause inconvenience to a greater extent, citizens. moreover, especially specifically

the baltic countries, where the flow, and as a result, without a visa to our country is very serious and indeed the atmosphere is developing. just recently , a friend, a well-known journalist from regga, yuri alekseev, came to me and he looked at how he lives in minsk, he was shocked. well, that is, a comparison of the religion of minsk hmm is impossible in some comparative way. yes, because there is really quite depressing constantly disturbing atmosphere forcing here this military hysteria, and here is a calm peaceful life of people, and they live, as usual, develop everything in abundance. and this, of course, surprises in a good way , let's say our friends from the baltic states, but it should be said what, if, as a result of these actions. yeah, we listen carefully to what the representatives of the polish government say, they will block the continental transit, then this

is a conflict not only with belarus, we understand that this is a conflict even more with china, and here i understand that it is not the poles themselves who strive for this. there are serious competitors, primarily in britain in america, who need only maritime trade and not the development of continental routes. and here the question is whether they are ready to turn into a logistical dead end, yes or they will still try to say a lot of terrible words, but will leave at least the main highways of continental significance. i think in the end it will be this is the second one, but there will be a lot of words of threats. although we see that sometimes they are already beginning to think again and understand what it is, in basically, it might end. well, you need pears. here is an interesting opinion of the editor-in-chief balt nyusha andrey starikov on this matter. uh, he says that this is first of all blackmail and secondly a beautiful picture of emotion. this is a story for western sponsors who should see that the ukrainian problem is also linked to the eastern

flank of nato, which is fighting from russia to belarus, sellers of fear are a very good image. e, alexei suggested and let's continue in this sense. here again , there is no getting away from the wagnerites, in general, poland is very serious stressed on this account. and i must say that our whites still periodically pour oil on the fire. by the way, they write in their publications, referring to them, the ministry of internal affairs of belarus has been giving wagner passports with changed names for a month now. well, just a thriller, but for all the absurdity , there is a reason to worry about a simple pole. and this is how we understand that the elections are ahead. we understand that guys. this trio of duda 's ant-like kolchan mood definitely lacks brutality, they lack justification. why all these expenses? why the army has grown in you and why is more spent on weapons than on the social sphere? and they may very well not organize some kind of terrorist attack with their wagnerites in mythical camps, cover up to say that

well, you see, we need to arm even more, and there is a high probability. it would not be superfluous to talk about such things about such a direction. well, unfortunately, i think there is a possibility. i don’t presume to estimate how high, but the struggle there is very sharp, i must admit, and they are doing everything to snatch this victory. control over all branches of government. now the situation is shaky, because competitors are also stepping on their heels, while , uh, competitors are growing. let's just say from the side of a third force, the so-called confederations are even more right-wing, but it is precisely in favor of poland's sovereignty from the eu that they really don't like it. that's how much more bogged down the euro-atlantic structure is. they are trying to play. in more such a right , even a conservative policy, but at the same time defending the national polish interests is a plus. there periodically sound the slogans of zero problems with neighbors, which, let's say, suits many

poles already. it is necessary to get tired of the soul, after all, people are there and from this eternal confrontation of the unknown in this situation. yes, in order to finally terrorize their population, something like this can happen, or some kind of incident on the border, they can arrange. that is, here the arsenal is large, we just need to understand that it is possible that anything can be expected from those people, but again , the fact that more sensible forces are beginning to appear in polish society has not been discarded. this does not mean that they our like-minded people, but in any case, if there is an interest in partnership of at least two neighboring states. this is to be welcomed. and it seems to me that such forces will also gain momentum . i think it's, well, i absolutely do. but i agree with this assessment and i want to say that this is now the period of the greatest. well, if i may, so to speak, vulnerabilities, uh, and prospects to spoil the situation. eh, i can

put it this way until the end. e his in ukraine this period will continue as soon as the goals of freedom are finally achieved. uh, the likelihood of any provocations or armed conflict in other areas in our region as a whole will be drastically reduced. we really need to be vigilant. here for this period. well, it’s an interesting pattern, the louder the doors slam in the west, the wider they swing open in the east and in general, as they say in the global south, the brix themselves key points to the most important international event, according to experts, the bloc fixes behind a geopolitical control, over the middle eastern oil triangle of saudi arabia, the arab emirates, iran, and everything is going on for now. under the slogan, we don’t need the dollar, plus egypt is control over its own channel. the second important factor of the wounds finally shook up the image of the outcast here, which the

west has been creating for so many years . russian screams. despite all attempts to cancel, kazan hosts the sixteenth summit next year andrey vladimirovich would be right to say that the world became different after johan's assembly, or is it too loudly premature, while you need to give time to look . well, plus such an increase. yes, the movement started quite seriously. yes , the brix expansion is a step in that direction. but this is one of the steps. this is not yet a fundamental change in the situation, but without a doubt. this surprises me, even the very fact of consolidation in general of countries with really different. a political agenda with very different interests, an absolutely uncoordinated economic policy is called, well, in a certain way. one might even say panic in the west. it is rather a sign

that the collective west does not feel confident in its future, that their positions are much more precarious than we used to think. this is very interesting. confirmation. you will continue as a director in crystallina. georgieva offers the international financial system to buckle up in the publication of foreign and ferris, and says that a number of powerful forces stimulates the fragmentation of the world economy. you see, here is a very interesting moment. it changes the cause and effect of not powerful forces stimulating the fragmentation of the economy. and uh, the same countries of the collective west have brought the economic system of the world to a situation where fragmentation becomes inevitable and the lens. you can’t get away from this process, and by and large the reaction of both russia and china and, in fact, all the countries that have become brix that have applied for brix is ​​an attempt to escape. eh, in progress

of this destruction to protect their own interests is another question, that the position of the imf is a little different here . this movement is the inevitability of changing the global economic system. and she begins to speak very carefully, but if the situation changes, the accountant will still be needed. we don't need to be thrown out. we will come in handy, we will count the currencies of the brix countries, we will create a new financial system. there is one, i think, in our cinematography. don't shoot the pianist. he plays. how can yes. here she sends. it sends a signal. of course, very diplomatically very carefully. uh, good such a diplomatic practice, which i have encountered many times in my biographies, but they already declare that they are ready

to serve the interests of other players. uh-huh, understand? well, i think that the trend is definitely obvious, this is such a drift. let and slow centers of power. uh, to the east and to the south, and here we are observing a very interesting process, but what happens, probably, once every 500 years, yes, when the leader changes but this happens over a long period. we are probably at the beginning, but it is extremely interesting that this is the nervous reaction of the west. that is, it is so used to its exclusivity that these challenges are symbolic so far to a greater extent of the unification of countries outside the west, and i liked the statement. the representative of the russian ministry of foreign affairs who said that, apparently, the countries of the west will never enter the brix. why, but, because we are partners against each other, cannot impose sanctions. and this is a very important such moral and ethical

the message that here we are organizing, let's say , the world order or its certain prototype under different rules. maybe this is such an idealistic idea, but this is a very clear message. west you have fenced yourself off from the majority of the world and now you will be isolated for us brix is ​​first of all, what is brix for us in the first place. it seems to me at the moment. this is an opportunity to build up economic cooperation, because now there, and these processes are underway , coordination of consolidation, indeed , economies, different continents, different there logistics, in general, what should be in order to organize a message between these countries, but, nevertheless. we have this opportunity quietly without sanctions. eh, without political pressure to look for partners to look for new markets, and plus, of course, a political and diplomatic platform to voice their initiatives to promote integration solutions,

which, perhaps, we have already tested and have an idea of ​​​​how this works and this rostrum. e for well a significant part, if not more of humanity. this is very important because where else can we voice something really important for the planet, because he, but we see how many decisions are blocked there, so here in many ways. we can voice our voice, seriously. what fundamentally new opportunities does this give us? well, i would not talk about any fundamentally new opportunities. in fact , the union state with russia and the joint formation of our own macro-region give us fundamentally new opportunities, fundamental really serious opportunities. once we've already talked about this. here is the core.

we need to get to become part of the core of a new macro-region, since there is always a higher standard of living and a faster pace of development in the game, and brix for us is a tool for stabilizing this transition, stabilizing the formation, which allows, on the one hand, to ensure predictable supplies of belarusian products, primarily outside the country , which was very rightly said do not put forward political conditional decisions. this is a very important point. and this is an opportunity to make this transition to a multipolar world more predictable and not bloody, because from the side of the west , no doubt, another strategy can be traced. they understand that they cannot launch neo-globalization on their own terms. and this means that they will create conflicts. as much as possible in all parts of the world. this means that we are still going through a very difficult period. tests. brix will allow, uh, to torpedo this strategy to smooth out this

transition, damn it, and the sco, and the sco - these are all these two tools. yes, i would not even begin to completely discount the traditional international organizations. like, he's still there. there are still instruments of influence and are capable of consolidating all the same people from the country who are interested in such a more favorable development, as i say creation of the world for all, not for the elite. well, thank you. thank you very much. andrey vladimirovich alexey valeryevich for participating in our program sport, like life, consists of questions, answers to which you will find in our program. this is

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is collapsing and there was no globalization. that is we are going through the trends of regionalization. we are an island of the world, around which the warring state is located, accuses us, but i'm sorry , we didn't send mercenaries there and we didn't supply weapons and there's nothing to be afraid of. we do not attack anyone in the same constitution, the republic of belarus has pledged not to wage an aggressive war with its territory. we know what we are against and what we need to be for this, but only these need to be and become in order to win the economic confrontation. we'll have to recreate. the whole body of the industry, which are of key importance for the normal life of the activities of our society and our state project markov nothing personal only the truth, which are always more interesting at home. watch on tv channel belarus 24. we

continue to have one more guest with us today in touch with the studio personality. a multifaceted russian intelligence officer, writer, brilliant political scientist, a huge audience knows and loves him as a lecturer who is able to simply talk about complex things. what is it that we often lack clarity in these turbulent news flows, so our today's guest andrey bezrukov andrey olegovich hello, thank you for finding the time for you. good afternoon, i propose to start with ukraine. here is such a topic, the essence of which can be formulated in this way , fatigue from the ukrainian agenda. here is the counteroffensive failed. uh, point bites by drones, like deliveries of leopards , do not change the picture, and we see what the ukrainians themselves have become. here's to your point of view. why is the world so

abruptly ceasing to be ukraine-centric? naturally? process or is it more of an information-psychological maneuver before sudden actions, as in sports you look to the left and hit to the right, i will try to tell what i think about this. first, ukraine is a project. this project is not ukrainian. unfortunately, the ukrainians themselves have very little to do with this project. this is an anti-russian project, i will tell you belarusians, by the way, too. built by the west this project , like all projects, lives from time to time, as long as it is needed. and the tragedy of ukraine is that it has become a project. that her elites failed build a country that has permanent?

forces of attraction constant interests constant understanding of their place in the world, which would become permanent but in the absence of this they are content with the project. does the project have a beginning and an end? and now we already feel this end, what about those who built this project and who paid for it? he sees what they got from this project. well, almost everything you could get. and since it's scary to go further, i'm talking about nuclear war. and in general they never had such thoughts, they needed to do a few absolutely clearly associated with this project things to milk europe to weaken russia to pull out everything that can be pulled out of good things from

ukraine and to leave as they left, afghanistan , vietnam and all other things when their interests no longer coincide with this project. and because it's a project? everyone understands that this project is nearing its end. and there is fatigue from him, because there are no forces that are capable or ready to take up to him and pull him to the end through his whole life through the whole history, and so on and so forth. they'll throw him as soon as it is no longer needed. well, if we talk about ukraine as a project, we see the appetites of warsaw , which it does not hide, and it looks in, and on the territory of belarus in the nato camp, ukraine has recently hinted, 115 nato a new exchange for concessions to the territory, and russia but one thing is words and another thing, real deeds . that's what you think andrei olegovich and how great is the probability of the collapse of ukraine great precisely because it is a project.

do you know that ukraine has had several attempts in history to make a country out of itself? and all these attempts ended in one ended with the fact that someone with stronger elites, and the problem of ukraine is the lack of its own national elite. with an understanding of where they wanted to lead the country, who they are, they are east or west or something else. and just like ukraine has always been divided over the past, well, 400 years, i guess. she is divided now. and the division of ukraine according to those that make up its cultural block. he is closer the weaker the central

government becomes, the weaker the understanding of the elite becomes, where to lead this country further, therefore is the collapse of the country possible? and in general it is logical after all, this is how ukraine lived for many years, there is an attraction to different west to east , i can say about hungary about transcarpathia and so on, right? i can't say that's the way it will be. but the potential is there. it's absolutely exactly. there are countries. take poland the same, despite the fact that its borders have changed a lot. i cannot say that poland consists of different parts, which can suddenly be pulled apart, even if someone comes. russia cannot be pulled apart. a here ukraine can fall apart. and the reverse

process is still not completely lost, if the chance of ukraine is still from the category of a project country to a project to move, er, to the category of a full-fledged state of the country. here is what is needed for this and not a missed moment. i think he's already gone. there was a moment when ten years ago, probably, when it was possible to concentrate on consolidating the elite on some kind of understanding. well, i don’t know, that is , such a bridge between east and west, or something else with those huge ones. well, how should i say it? climate under the industry that was created under the soviet union, ukraine was. well, a tidbit, or something, for everyone, she actually was beautiful. but i think the chance is now open. the leadership that is

now, it will go away, it will go away. in a crisis, she will leave in a bad way. and this means a chance for someone to stay and keep. is minimal to other topics. the more we look at the confrontation on the ukrainian front in general, the clearer, of course, the understanding that ours is not about moscow and kiev, but about the birth of a new world order and today this request for a new world. it is no longer just even in the air, but every day we hear such blows on the battery. the next one was the other day in johannesburg. brix himself passed there, which the builders themselves called themselves. there's an extension of the journalists that the experts who watched called all of this a challenge that the global south throws at the global west. this is how you see it, we are truly entering a new age now. absolutely you know our era can be compared

with what it was 100 years ago. this is a transition from one world order into another, and it is both technological and political and economic, and now we will have a different economic picture of the world. look, after all, the center of gravity is the center of industry, the center of the dynamics of the international economy goes to the east. and that's where we 're seeing growth, that's where we're seeing big countries and india china indonesia and others come into their own. a new structure of the world is being built. naturally, he, of course, is not

on the periphery. but he is no longer the center. this is the center. now it is not clear, it turns out. such two poles, i don't want to call them poles, but one is growing and consolidating. and the second is losing momentum, which is normal, because the era of the west the era of the liberal economy of the global economy is over. now it is disintegrating. and brix is ​​the solution when countries that don't want the world to be in chaos after this collapse. they take the initiative into their own hands and build a new system. but you once called andrei olegovich briks with the world of the majority. this was before the new members of the application joined, who were voiced. it is now you are more relevant than ever, indeed, this is the world of the majority. but here is a very important point, will

this majority have enough will from cohesion, to build not a copy of what we are leaving now, something qualitatively new, is there enough cohesion of will for this breakthrough? well , sergei alexandrovich karaganov first spoke about the world of the majority, that is, i am not the author of this. well, you know, cohesion, it comes out of necessity. each of these serious states of china and russia and india brazil iran they see their national interests, and they understand that together, if they together build the rules of the game, according to which it will be more convenient and reliable to live. everything will be fine for them, if they do not build these rules of the game, then they will have to return to the system that did not accept them, did not recognize them and exploited

them, and look at the dynamics, the brix 15 years 10 years ago 5 years ago. it was like, well, between five countries. where in general? they met and talked about what they sovereign. and they were leaving. and look at what is now and this is a dynamic. it will continue to accelerate and increase, because common projects appear, a common vision appears. it is forged and here is what it does. the west helps a lot so that this other understanding can be forged faster. how is the denial of that stupidity? what the west is doing now is burying itself, in fact

, back then, one international topic, we have been observing the development of events around niger for several weeks together with the whole world. well, more specialized experts say negger, but from him leads to such a french colonial past, so we pay attention to teloi that allow us to still say niger. uh, so here are the different answers and opinions heard from the experts on this program to the question. will there be a big battle for africa here andrey oleg dude, i want to clarify. do you think there will be a big war? you know it, if it will be, but there is such a potential. it will not be for africa , it will be between african countries for what will be africa, you know, after all, when the colonial powers divided africa like asia by the way, like the middle east, did they

not care? where who lived and now, in fact, this is the same border. niger and nigeria, after all , part of nigeria is muslim, and part is catholic, and when none of the borders is clearly defined, and even more so in the desert and tribes roam between different countries. after all , as soon as the question arises. where is the border? it won't happen without blood. after all, everyone wants to force behind them, the resources of the population , livestock, and so on and so forth, but nothing is defined in africa. well, i'm exaggerating, but a lot is uncertain, by the way, in asia too look at pakistan, all the borders of pakistan are blurred. on the one hand, the pashtun from the north, where

the border is, on the other, the baloch. west with iran where is the border? here it is official, but people live there from one side and the other. but how will he behave when he is divided? and the potential is huge for all this to explode. and it has already exploded. i wouldn’t want to, of course, but if it comes there, hunger, if different players far from africa begin to set fire to its interests. everything can be. finally, i would like to know for some reason asks such a question. i would like to ask him. so, when the cult film brother was released in the cis, then you will have to work in the usa if i'm not mistaken, i don't know if you watched it or not, but for a whole generation here the picture became something. well

, like a hymn to a russian person, there is such a scene, it is very famous there. even those who haven't watched the movies. they usually saw it, where is the main character daniil bagrov he asks the americans, what is the strength? the force itself answers in truth. first of all, you agree with this that the forces are in truth. and i i agree, but you understand danila bagrov , as far as i hear it, by the truth i understood justice. there is some concept. that's what is right? and in this sense, the truth, but it's justice. when it is right yes, and the russian people are very sensitive, they do not live according to the law, and in fairness they are ready to tolerate the violation of the law, if it is fair, if they feel that it is necessary. it's different in the west, but still. that's

when we realize what we're doing, it's right. we have this strength to endure. the strength to go forward, as long as it takes we will not win, and in this sense, the power yes, it is in the truth. truth is something that you can rely on, as the meaning of life is a brilliant answer. it suits us perfectly. andrey thank you very much for participating in our program , thank you very much andrey bezrukov, professor of the presidium of the council on foreign and defense policy of russia, was in touch with us