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belarus information and analytical projects current microphone on air on the belarusian radio and tv channel belarus 24 we discuss the most current news with you hosts andrei sych and our guests doctor of military sciences nikolai buzin i am bc analyst olga lazorkina on western borders of belarus and completely different events are unfolding intensively , new facts are being revealed in many ways. this is conditional. uh, upcoming election companies in poland and etc. so, just uh, she will directly publish these new facts right now and we’ll discuss them olga igorevna recently made a rather resonant statement by donald, tusk that uh, in fact, the migrants who are now pouring into poland are the reason for this.

these events directly revealed that the ruling party, law and justice , revealed that visas were actually being legally stamped for people from asia and africa, which, strictly speaking. these are the semi-legal visa centers. they were located out of reach. from actual polish diplomatic institutions, what do you think about this? this is just some kind of electoral struggle between parties. or really. these facts are taking place , these facts are taking place. this was a journalistic investigation carried out by a newspaper in uborchi. the first published the results, so today we can say that this is not a fake, this is not some kind of election game. uh, the deputy minister of foreign affairs of poland has been fired, mr. wawrzek. uh, and uh, there's an investigation underway. and it comes with journalistic investigation not at all, but of special structures that deal with anti-corruption schemes, including uh, because the essence

of the issue is not that the migrants were issued visas, but their cost, because the amount is called sky-high a and the fact that they actually came to poland centrally under the leadership of the ministry of foreign affairs more. oh, that's why here, of course. this moment is being used in the election struggle, but in fact this is a very serious issue, which is hidden for belarus, uh, for our public, including this very positive point nikolai evgenievich, in your opinion, by and large, those people , precisely those refugees, who are now being squeezed out on the territory of belarus, among them there may be those who actually legally ended up on the territory of poland, will this practice continue, taking into account the revealed data about that the official government was actually selling visas for these refugees. hmm , this topic is generally quite interesting. and as for me. i believe that this

practice will continue in no way dismantling within the polish electorate. inside the polish authorities will not affect the activities of the military armed structures directly, and in the border areas it will be intensified. actually the situation. why? because this is an element of the modern policy of poland, this is the trend of the direction that has been chosen and carried out by the relevant ruling circles of our neighbor. and if the question concerns emigrants, then this is a consumable item, this is a reason to escalate the situation and show your ability to control the situation in the country hold a position. the position, so to speak, of strength and that the polish government has the strength and is able

to fulfill its obligations, as regards domestic politics, as regards the economy today. there are problems easier, uh, to fight with those who have the least um ability to respond. and these are immigrants; no one needs them in europe and this is a bargaining chip for those who are in power in poland today. well, but still, in your opinion. eh, this is a continuation of this practice. eh, wo n't it affect the ratings of the ruling party if the same donald tusk will continue to say that these people were called in and now you are kicking them out. here we need to look at tusk’s statement from a slightly different angle. tusk today, uh, the representative of the european stebelshmat, not the polish european one, he uh is the european commissioner, and he pursues the policy that is in the european parliament, huh? she is trying in one way or another hmm to show that she is capable of carrying out her own

policy; this is precisely what the entire election campaign of today's government and, uh, today's party in power, so to speak, is based on. she trying to show his own electorate. the ability to resist brussels tusk today is not, uh, not fully, he is a polish european politician and his task is, to some extent, to return poland to the fold, the european union and so to speak. the entire apparatus of the european parliament will act in its interests. he will be supplied with the necessary information , he will be helped so that the current polish government is, so to speak, removed, or went to about mrs. i largely agree here, but olga yuryevna is also interesting. eh, by and large, the ruling party

is like that. eh, she can openly be classified as a eurosceptic. eh, many say that it is in dudamovsky’s interests to take poland out of the european union. no, they openly say this from time to time, but it’s interesting that tusk held rallies, just hmm , for poland to continue its path within the european union and indeed a colossal number of people came out to these uh, protests and support of this movement. that is, it just supports thesis of nikolai evgenievich, will tusk score political points in this field, euroscepticism in poland is just a game, it’s deceit, because poland is in the form in which it exists today, including the economic one. and this situation is the merit not only of poland itself and, to a greater extent, of the european union, so when voices are heard that poland or other countries will soon leave

the eu. this, of course, should not be taken into account. it's just like a political step, but not a reality. e as for the poles because politicians and voters themselves. e, i think that most people are of the opinion that poland should remain in the european union, because everyone thinks in economics more than in politics, when the poles play politicians. i think they just don’t stop them from playing this interesting game and uh for today. uh, here's the one, and the program that tusk voiced, uh, like on sunday, in my opinion, it took place. this is uh, more detailed, a here's the presentation, uh, he still. uh, he thinks about the population about the goodies that the population will receive, and even the polish press paid attention to this. why are there so many of them on the pis side and on the donald side, the tusk of the civil

platform. eh, unknown. who pays for all this? but where will we get so much money ? poland clearly doesn’t have this money, so they need it for implementation. all these plans rely not on poland, but on the european union to a greater extent. that's also interesting. you say that poland has no money. and this analytics and numbers really confirm this. uh, poland, like many states of the european union, is going into a serious economic crisis, but continues to actively militarize. that is, on whose shoulders is the purchase of this western american korean equipment for the future generation of poles placed because today we no longer have our own resources to carry out such volumes of rearmament, and this is not just, so to speak, an unfounded statement. this is the reality of its economy. according to today's data,

the european union is average. eh, let's say so. inflation is 5.3% - as far as i remember this year, and in poland it exceeded 10%. and by the end of the year they promise eleven, that is, even at the level of the european union, poland is therefore quite low in the indicator, but there is another component that no one wants to notice , all these statements about the purchase of large quantities of weapons. by the way , south korea has thousands of tanks and planes, and there are also up to 50 planes in certain classes. there is a self-propelled mlrs installation there. it's everything contracts are declared and contracts are actually concluded, but for money for loans from south korea you understand what we are talking about. that is, uh, the country is even ready to go to such difficulties in its problems, despite

what is happening inside, but to grab more and become relevant at the expense of the military. receive additional political bonuses, but this does not mean that ordinary poles will receive them. here again we need to return to the issue of today’s political struggle within poland. this is tusk. this is more like eh. european component hmm, let's say brightly, the expressed power of today is law and justice, they are not about anything, so to speak, they do not go to europe, they do not talk about it, but they play on the european vector and on the contradictions that exist within europe, as a result, a very interesting thing turns out. we want as much of everything as possible. but for whom else is this question left, not only for the poles, for those around them, something will be financed, the united states, but the united states has never given money to anyone for nothing, and the corresponding trail

of obligations will remain with poland, based on the fact that tomorrow, uh, the polish economy will earn uh, three times better, or they will have uh, money doesn’t come out of nowhere, because poland for many years lived off of what was a bridge between east and west and played very well precisely this role was a role function and she made money from it. today. they themselves cut this umbilical cord and the influx of money from the east decreased significantly. and hopes for economic recovery for breakthroughs in the economic sphere are not wealthy today. she poland would like to be an economic driver, but she cannot surpass germany so that she doesn’t try there. she cannot surpass france, but they have serious desires and there are political games going on here. so, well, regarding these political games, just one of the statements on militarization is

300,000 bayonets in the polish army, but it is an absolutely logical question. if they re-equip themselves on credit, buy equipment, and so on, what is the plan to keep these people on, after all , every year. this is a huge amount of salaries , subsidies for housing, uniforms, and so on. well, either they are not planned for a long time, let’s put it this way contain and use these 300,000 bayonets somewhere. well, we say, uh, unfortunately, we forget a little. e background, because militarization. well, in poland and in the region it didn’t start in 2022, but 2022 was just an acceleration phase. uh, after all, poland has launched military rearmament programs since 2017. and uh, i was very actively accumulating funds and here i need to say a plus in poland . that’s what it’s about. he said, my colleague the poles have managed to earn this money since 2018. uh , they uh, they consistently increased their

a significant portion of gdp was invested in the military sphere. after all, there are contracts with the americans for the supply of the latest f-35 aircraft, which will begin in january 2024 . they were concluded long before the ukrainian crisis. these are all situations, but today i absolutely agree with my colleague. uh, the polish economy. it is entering a phase of overvoltage, because what was laid down in 2017 was calculated for 2030-4. for a long period today, we have entered such a phase of acceleration, uh, and we really need to take out more loans. and they hidden uh, it is not disclosed anywhere that poland is taking out these loans, and i would remind you of another very important point. why did the issue of reparation suddenly surface and was posed harshly? after all, the amount was one million. uh, one trillion over one trillion, so

here's the money, more is really looking for this money. well, it’s also interesting about this one trillion and euro reparations. after all, e. hmm, relations between poland and germany are entering quite a serious tension and precisely because of these claims and the migration crisis in general. there is constantly news that germany is introducing enhanced controls on the border with poland, despite the actions of the schengen zone and, as it were, the absence of a border territory. but nikolai evgenievich, in your opinion, why this confrontation? uh, official warsaw and berlin can lead, because what are the reasons for this confrontation? in my opinion , almost every month there are more and more points of tension being found in warsaw. that's right, you're right they said that it is warsaw that finds points of tension. pay attention to germany's policy; it is very restrained and it is necessary to do what is due correctly. provided that if we take

a historical parallel, then it is the german lands. today it is part of poland which was transferred after the uh great patriotic war. and for some reason the poles don’t want to talk about this, but they are returned, that is, they consider them their territory. you know, historians can turn around. wherever you want. any component aside, but this is reality and the germans do not want or say, in any case, a revision of borders after the great patriotic war. they are not for this. poland is talking about this and pay attention even more. she not only makes her claims, so to speak, against germany, there are claims against lithuania, and there are claims against belarus , and the czechs, there are a little bit and so on, that is, a country that, in general, quietly has some - claims. eh, as good as this is, it’s probably not very good

for neighbors to live peacefully. this was not talked about once. and if german capital, and i had to deal a little, so let’s say, deal with germany with germany from poland . eh, this border region, in general, works in the interests of germany more and the main capital came from there. and in general, if germany decides to block this one too, let’s say, uh. if the river is financial, then an even greater reason will arise technologically, germany has much higher capabilities than more. poland is a specific country with its own ambitions, but they often amount to nothing reinforced. today they have a historic chance , it can’t be called any other way, to raise their political status in europe and they are trying to realize it by any means possible, including without looking back

at today’s or tomorrow’s situation. and living for today. perhaps i liked the phrase. this is an overheated economy. it is actually overheated, overstressed and in the near future, if other sources do not appear, and the nearest prospect is theirs. in general, it is not visible. uh, the united states will not give a flow of money even today the situation in the united states shows problems. and if they now cut the umbilical cord that has been feeding them for many years, including, uh, russia , then poland may go into recession. this is a possible development of the situation, but as for these political statements. i prefer germany's position in this regard. yes? something happened. yes we had problems today. let's get them. we will forget and we will not forget at all, but we will not rave about this component. we will live and develop. bye doesn’t want this anymore, that is, we shouldn’t

expect the german card to appear in those territories that were returned. poland most likely. no. this will be softer and more thoughtful for one simple reason : the economic status of germany is much higher than that of poland and is attractive, including for the poles who live in, um, formerly german territories. well, nikolai evgenievich says that poland has big claims to almost all the states that surround it, at the same time we saw literally a few days ago, a summit was held, by the initiative of the three seas, at which ukraine was already recognized as an associated member of this organization. and there, uh, in fact, duda makes quite bright speeches about how they should help ukraine with their entire powerful team. at the same time, uh, they are introducing an embargo on ukrainian grain. uh, in fact, despite these notorious hugs that we observed in

the verkhovna rada. what is the reason for this rapid deterioration in relations between official kiev and warsaw hmm this one the summit, which took place across three seas , is an initiative that is beloved by polish and politicians do not place much faith in it and today they have very high hopes. it is really important for them. and it is also important from the point of view of polish- german relations. i would still suggest that another cancer look at this from a different angle. we are accustomed, uh, to consider poland as satellites of the united states of america, great britain, which receives some recommendations, most often demands, and fulfills them. well, here's a greater historical chance as it seems to me, today, and this is the goal that it fulfills. uh, it's not about getting recommendations and following them. but no, not to distribute, but to build

a curtain between russia and europe and finally close its british project. i understand, well, if we go into geopolitics. of course, yes, but britain itself is not implementing it, it is implementing it, poland. i would talk here, uh, more about the non-british approach, namely the polish one, and therefore it is more dangerous, so when we talk about metallization, plus still to this goal, otherwise this is very important because, uh, polish politicians and historians. they consider, uh, their main task is to divide germany and russia if there is a unification of these two countries, and their interests, then there will be no chance for poland, and this has already happened in history. it will be a regional power. and today this chance - this is the task that poland is implementing - this is precisely creation. this is why the three seas initiative is important from an infrastructure point of view. after all, uh, sanctions,

when these huge packages were introduced not against belarus but against russia, otherwise they were aimed at cutting off the resource supply, dividing russia and europe. but you need to create something in return. and here is the initiative of the three seas, it is precisely aimed at creating a new infrastructure base. this will be already north. south so that germany can be closed. to tie it up today, he wants to become, uh, the main link in europe’s energy security. yes, i’m also watching this with interest. eh, dudom ravetsky organized quite an interesting tour a regional state with proposals to build gas pipelines to them, because lng is being built and these capacities are actively expanding. eh, but it’s interesting at the moment to watch who will still remain in power. will this policy as a whole continue in poland or will they have to make a deal with

someone after the elections that will take place on october 15th? uh, union for forming a government nikolai evgenievich, what do you think, you know, politics will continue, uh, no matter what we say, no matter how much we fight among ourselves. or they didn’t stage a show there the massacre of representatives of the polish authorities will not change the essence, because it will not make us any easier, who will be there muravetsky. eh, hmm tusk trump in poland will not matter anyway, the surname is not important, the essence is important, the processes taking place have long since taken a course towards building, so to speak, their own statehood at the expense of those around them - i always happen it’s not for nothing that the hyenas of europe called it but it’s very such a clear name, if you look at it in historical retrospect, and to this day it is a country that clearly took something here managed, and she herself could. well, good

agriculture, to say the least, not bad. e the economy, which, sorry , was built by the soviet union helped to do all this more. everyone has long forgotten. eh, that they received energy. this is also everything is forgotten and so on. today they are trying to create their own country, as if there was no history and cutting out from this history what you don’t want to see and leaving only what corresponds to today’s vector of development, this does not happen, or you perceive yourself as a complete state, corresponding uh, ups and downs and today's reality, or you build a virtual reality that you want to believe and convince your own citizens in this situation. it is the virtual reality that is being built where poland is the center of europe and they are trying to do this. in general, we must

pay tribute to it quite well. it turns out that the polish leadership is pursuing this component of playing on shevnism, playing on nationalism and the polish. and based on polish historicity, let’s call it that today and, in general, political parties, no matter how they depicted a struggle among themselves, the only vector will remain the same, poland from maybe, yes, maybe, the basis of the entire policy of those who were today, who will be tomorrow, it will work out or not . this is a question, so to speak, of time and the resources that the country has , and poland has few resources, and this must be clearly understood. uh, so such projects can be done by countries that hmm independently , to the fullest extent, poland, it is not what is it called, not fully independently, let’s call it that, but, nevertheless, certain questions. they they still manage to do it, let’s say. they

use zloty. they are not switching to the euro. they are solving the issue of emigrants and the immigration crisis. they don't accept migrants. in the quantities that brussels forces them, that is, here is a vivid example of how we take from europe what is profitable for us, we take what is unprofitable for us, we block the same grain deal, which today we have already begun to say ukrainian grain we but we don’t let him in, we won’t let him through in transit, and we support those countries that do not allow this. and we are again, that is, heading into confrontation with the european union. we are going into confrontation on issues, uh, related to the judicial system, that is, there are many of those winning moments to give credit to the political leadership, which shows poland , which shows the whole people that it is ready, supposedly to defend national interests,

even in uh in confrontation with the european union. and this is a winning situation for uh, today's leadership. well, uh, the legal system and the media space are just those two pillars that are constantly being paid attention to, including, i know that recently there was, in my opinion, a meeting of the pase, the osce, and on these issues there were, including claims against the polish state, that since the last elections practically no changes have been made to ensure that the elections are ultimately democratic, because in the fourteenth year, if i’m not mistaken, there were unprecedented falsifications , strictly speaking, and many people wonder how duda became president a large number of questions. here's what you think about this. uh, will the situation change or should we expect certain uh jugglings with, say, ballot papers in these elections, given that uh

on all issues, the ruling party is gaining popularity among its own citizens, no more than 35% in my opinion. as for the claims from the european union regarding transparency and elections and the system and law in general, this is an old story and the poles resisted the pressure of the european union. yes, they did not they receive money from the covid fund, but still they went to preserve power as concentrated as possible, and they needed it for the elections in one hand, yes, and today they have succeeded at a very high cost. they paid for it. well, of course, when you pay dearly, you need to live to take advantage of it, then, uh, they will take advantage of this, but when exactly during the elections, when they will need all these bonuses received. that's why i think that, of course,

there will be certain moments and uh, the opposition and the press. which exclusively supports the party, and even the centrist one. they are not already talking about the fact that these elections will be very difficult, including from the point of view of the transparency of the electoral process, so there is more here. i think nothing can be avoided here ; there is absolutely no need to count on this . belarus has recently been taking quite concrete steps in order to normalize relations with official warsaw. as a matter of fact, observers were invited to the teaching in response. as a matter of fact, the refusal came to including accusations that this is allegedly almost a provocation and a mockery of poland well, the head of state said that hmm, let's try. as a matter of fact, to take such steps after the election campaign, in your opinion, will we be able to achieve some kind of normalization of relations, despite the actual pushing away

of official warsaw? alexander goncha spoke in a slightly different vein, he said that that warsaw will not be ready to talk to its neighbors. until the elections, and then they themselves will start looking for us. i'll stick to the second version. i think they are more interested in us, because we won't say our assessment. let's take the words of officials that were said in relation to belarus because belarus is a window for poland , maybe a window, but for us poland is for us , uh, a window to europe and whore, and they are not going to close this window yet. they said this officials may not be of such a high level. we pay a little less attention to this. and as for our readiness, our borders are open. eh, and we were always ready for any negotiations. we do not offer friendship to the poles, because

today is day it is impossible, we do not offer them dialogue, because this is also very difficult. we offer them just a neighborly conversation, which is necessary and it will take place , yes, yes, even over the fence, when the children adapt to life. yes, they come up with all sorts of obstacles. well we can consider. it's like an obstacle. we don’t think that this is really a fence that will put an obstacle in the way our relationship. eh, and i think that at a certain stage he is, well, alexander grigorievich. in any case, i’m sure of it. and that this, of course, will happen, because we are too close for poland, uh, so we ended up in a referendum. eh, belarus is commemorated. this is also a legal precedent, it seems to me, and for poland belarus is important and these are not just security issues, although for the poles now it is extremely important for poland to

know belarus, only because they live here. poles, but in general our history is together from coexistence. it has been so tight for a long time and has been very productive in many ways that it won’t be possible to just ruin it all in a few months during the election campaign. we are talking about warsaw, but we are not talking about the poles, so when alexander grigorievich addresses him, he always says the poles, they are warsaw. therefore , i think that is what we are talking about. uh, also along this vector, that is, warsaw is warsaw - this is a certain political line, but there are also ordinary poles, and ordinary poles. i think they understand belarus in many ways, and you can even continue with your point of view. the next thing is that we had specific relations with poland throughout the centuries, there were ups and downs. well, we always found compromises. in my opinion, they will look for a compromise when they figure out their political guidelines. but today there is

a struggle with poland and you can’t say anything differently when they figure it out at home, but they look around and the rhetoric begins to change. we're not talking about actually hugging this one. tomorrow we won't there will be this, but the economy requires interconnection ; the economy requires a window to the east. the silk road, which passes through our territory. including through the territory of poland, it requires interaction. do you want to receive dividends? be kind enough to talk if you talk to one of your partners arrogantly or in general hmm , hushing up this way simply won’t work, and today there are no longer conditions for uh, so to speak, to throw the golden eggs that the representatives of the east lay in including belarus, therefore, anyway, not today , not tomorrow, not tomorrow. so the day after tomorrow, but there will be dialogue despite that.

so that someone doesn’t whisper in your ear, don’t do this, don’t do this, they will sort out the political squabbles of their own, change them, or leave power - it doesn’t matter, but still, in order for the economy of the necessary connection to work , it is necessary to interact in ways. something else i would add. uh, another very important point, it seems to me, because belarus has invested a lot in regional infrastructure. and why? actually, we should refuse this. eh, simply because the poles today or the lithuanians don’t want this. well, this is their point of view, but our point of view remains. i think she’s right, thank you very much for your opinion for finding the opportunity to take part in our broadcast , the informational and analytical project, the current microphone was broadcast on the belarusian radio tv channel belarus 24 our guests are doctor of military sciences nikolai butin and bbc analyst olga lazurkina. goodbye, see you.

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