[000:00:00;00] and the creature on the site is working with you, kirill kazakov and alen serova, today we will continue the important topic for every belarusian , the topic of the upcoming day of national unity , the challenges that threaten us today and the pressing issues that are important to discuss so that it is clearer and easier to understand each other. let's start our conversation, which we have here on this side we have a qr code in which you can join our program and write a message to us their guests and, in fact, well present at our conversation almost in person. and here we have a qr code. when can you join our telegram channel and watch what we breathe, what we think, and how we talk about this topic even before the start of the program and after

hello zhen, you know, lately we really have a very large number of so-called leaders public opinion. you are one of them who , uh, very brightly and very eccentrically express their point of view, eccentrically in terms of, really memorable here no criticism. you and i have known each other for a long time. uh, no matter how we criticize, we criticize, no, but we’ve known each other for a long time and work together, so uh, i’m really impressed by your approach, and you know, why i turned to you, because september 17 became a kind of milestone when people even expressing their opinion in relation to, for example, certain actions within the country and certain actions outside.

they are one. it so happened that the brightest thought, it still leads to that no matter how harsh you are, in some statements in the good sense of the word. whatever someone is. well, let's put it this way. the more loyal ones still come to the idea that september 17 is the date that makes us think that we are all here under one red-green flag. we really do. if there is an enemy, although we said in the last program that it’s difficult for us to come up with an enemy for belarusians . that’s why september 17 may not have become for us, until that date, like may 9, then the enemy we defeated the germans, the date is clear, and here yes black and white. and here the poles and i lived for a long time, at least as neighbors. and even more so, as a person who has houses on the border with poland, don’t you know that the poles, in principle, are the poles of power. these are different poles who live there 3

km from your house. in the next head, yes, they are, in principle, the same as us, and the people who live in warsaw and create the policy are against which we ultimately had to. make this holiday political proscenium. these are other people, different vladimirovich, firstly, xvii faith from them is that we have the same, and what about returning for someone. no, we didn’t return on september 17 to please or because of someone. and it seems to me that we simply threw out the bait for the future, you see, just consider it for the fact that we were under the yoke of a master's puga. but then they came out like this and became self-sufficient, it is too narrowly viewed not only under the poles there were many invaders trampling on our land. yes, forged nazi boots before this this korotkevich. it is enough to remember to read. yes, there, uh, it’s written here and there in runes, archaeologists found an arrow.

so, belarus, uh, it was and is a payment for the fact that we are at the crossroads and in uh different cultures. we understand, this is the bifurcation point. at the heart of europe and so on. that's why you're embarrassed to say the phrase. we were under polish occupation. why not? a? just tell me five 10 years ago. we avoided this phrase, because now we are self-sufficient , everything and one more in the twentieth and after the twentieth year. we showed what belarusians are like the voice of official minsk is getting louder and louder, although we can speak quietly , the whole world listens to us. well, you know, and we are talking about the fact that 5-10 years ago we were embarrassed about something there. and it seems to me that this is a process of growing up. well, that is, when you know something, it’s another moment when you realize something and come to something on your own. and now, just like

national unity day. well, he showed up just in time. andrey, in my opinion. let's discuss this with you. in my opinion, just at the moment when we experienced the most such powerful, probably, in our entire sovereign history, the crisis when we, uh, received such a slap in the face, sobering, and when we finally turned to the fact that, uh, we listened for a long time, that some told us that we are like that , others said that we are like that we finally looked inside ourselves and realized what was important to us. our integrity and unity are important to us. and uh, in my opinion, the fact is that this holiday appeared precisely in the post -crisis period, but before the moment when , uh, these shocks caught up with us. and this is such a hmm, balancing moment? that is what hmm shows us now is the only important value, well, that’s my opinion, yours. well let's see. this is what happened 15 years

ago, a garden appeared , klanówski’s program appeared, pole’s cards appeared, that is, we did not answer this in any way. we had friendship, chewing gum, there were a number of circumstances from transit there to gas and that’s it. anything further comes on the quest of the party of law and justice. this was the fifteenth year and the entire polish system that existed before was breaking down. well, somehow we answered this all. well, probably not either, but why? let's look at the people who then worked in the polish direction. this is the same brat who was a diplomat there, let’s say these are people who left behind traces of contacts who carried out certain developments in life there. and we are surprised. why are we searching for such a direction today that we are unsuccessful, nothing good is happening there. well, let’s say this is a systemic policy both on our part and on their part, which led to this further aggravation, if we look at the structures of these tv channels. they were taken out of the structure. let's say even polish-looking. that is, this is not just some kind of stv, but as an independent channel there is nothing like that. that is, this is a structure that worked specifically on foreign policy. it specifically broadcast to belarus. that is, is such a structure possible without having the concept of some kind of budget task. well

, of course not. then the telegram channels known to us appear, which did not appear in the twentieth year, after all, they have been working for one and a half to two years. before this, again, well, we watched it all, read it, well then, save it. tears, what russia is getting the nord stream gas pipeline, everything will be fine. zelensky will implement the minsk agreement and everything will be fine. yes? poroshenko might not have started the war either. if only we had a subpoena. we, in principle, always had some kind of hope, what? well, it’s probably worse, maybe , well, maybe it’ll get better, but in the end it turned out to be a military operation ; before that, there was a crisis in kazakhstan; it turned out to be our twentieth year and the polish brothers. all this time that they were doing this to us. well, like this you know, when you’re drowning, you have to hit it on the head with an oar, like, a dog is languishing. so they showed themselves wonderfully and today, when we are so lightly lightly, we answer them with a holiday. and it even meets such resistance. voight screams. no no, no ours. i think we did it for ourselves, and not in response. what are you looking at? i'm andrey e. how is poland?

it seems to me that the only country in august 2020, qatar, really wanted . maybe i’m wrong, to grab some territories from belarus, not lithuania, not ukraine, not the russians, latvia poland many people tell the story about polish flags in grodno. but this is so, well, you know, there seemed to be two centers that would work for us, this is the lithuanian center from the territory of lithuania and the polish center. they competed with each other. that is, if you take our american brothers, they work from the territory of lithuania there, if you take some british there, they work from a voice there with a certain and also for us, that is, you understand a lot of interesting things in belarus, from here there are several lines that worked for us and what they we ended up in poland on the telegram channel. well , you know, just the best place to work. they could work for us from the territory of ukraine and from anywhere else, but you said correctly, this is still the length of this holiday itself , september 17th. you can endlessly blame them there. in something. they blame us too. but this does not seem to affect our daily life. but let's see what's around. have you truly united or

not? such events take place, such as military operations. how does this affect us? this community is coming together. or maybe, anyway, on the contrary, it closes less of those things, discusses some kind of disposal of war. that is, what we are discussing today. here, as it were, is the current agenda, yes, and we look into the past. yeah, in the larger case, you know, we’re looking at the present. uh. well, it seems that relying on the past does not work out any other way. well, let's probably listen to the other guests. we recently prepared some materials, and you took part in it. and they just developed the topic of what types of mela poland had in belarus and has in in general, polyakov’s desire is obviously not limited only to belarus, the lithuanians can also sleep peacefully. let's explain why our neighbors really aren't behaving calmly right now. why are they doing this? i will ask our editors to now show the video that was made public yesterday. why can’t they

calm down at the borders and simply say that our polish border guards are a little rude. let's. i'll start with the fact that it's actually the 20th century. this is generally the century of belarusians, our belarusianness. if i may say so, here 21 we must remember that we were not so much and not the most important thing is that we were. there are no poles under the thumb of the twenties. we built it ourselves. or rather, they created, together with others, three more republics. we truly formed the most powerful state in the world and belonged to the greatest nation, the soviet people. in the twenties we built it, 30 we united in the forties, we defeated fascism, in the fifties we conquered mirny aptom and created nuclear weapons, which today ensure our security in the sixties. we flew to space in the seventies and eighties. we got belaz trucks. we won the olympics and in the nineties we finally built our own

independent state. you see, against the backdrop of all this, he says that someone simply occupied us once. no. look how progressively we moved towards everything and to the fact that we received this state. we deservedly did it. we made our blood our sweat and we should be immensely grateful to our ancestors, who really formed our state, our state as a pole, there and clicked in this holiday. of course we did, well, it clicked. this is a holiday. he appeared. as they say, it is no coincidence that the year is thirty-nine and september 17th. this is the day that really. our people imagine for a second in the twentieth year. we would be split in half. can you imagine what would be waiting for us in general, conditionally, if we even lived to see this scenario, now the fashionable future of ukraine, so those belarusians who live in poland today, you will remember in the early nineties there were 240,000 of them. and now

, according to the census, it’s good there if we scrape together 40 those who are native belarusians living in belarus, poland of course, this does not give peace and never will. look at his ambitions. what kind of money they are pouring into today to create their own empire-confederation? the federation is not fundamentally from the sea, they do not hide it. they will simply officially say no, this is not true, although in all domestic foreign policy. this is being discussed endlessly. on the one hand, they have now given all the weapons to ukraine, on the other hand, they are trying to quickly build it all up. while there is still 3% of gdp next year , 4% has already been officially declared, and this is only the official data of 4%, and we also know the hidden ones that are coming. eh, precisely because the armies of other countries that are located in the territory are also being put into circulation. that's what i would like to say, and this september. it not only affects our national unity, you know. as they rightly said here

, there is also lithuania, where i finally think it’s starting to dawn on them what’s going on. we have so far talked about the complex geo- strategic position of poland, but look what is the geostrategic position of poland? today the germans already have lithuania. they have their own garrisons there almost on a permanent basis. the latest data has just arrived and is numbered. a new camp in beavers is being formed in maryam poli and is being formed near the goat ore landfill. it all goes there. do you remember the german anthem that used to be from furniture to mass, germany alone , understand what you think? well, furniture , yes, furniture, you understand that you think the germans forgot it, no, but the poles, who think that they also forgot rightly. look please, what kind of cards are hanging in their schools, just look, and this is the education of generations, that is, everything is leading to the fact that today the most unenviable role of lithuania

is there, the poles, who are watched by the germans, russia , which so far seems to have no claim at all to lithuania that is, it doesn’t seem to have any of its own. well, they managed to quarrel with them and call this city kings. now, to please the poles , again, consider had a fight with the belarusians, and in the end they were left alone. do you understand that the geopolitical situation and geostrategic geo strategic political also theirs in general today is probably the most flawed thing in our region, god forbid what happens, god forbid lithuania is just becoming sincere today. it’s a pity that i say as much as i need to, that if we look at how the political elite is formed, and if what the view wrote about, he is there, speedkyavichus in his work, the ship of fools. if this continues today in the politics of this particular state, it will lead to the disaster of this state. do you understand what amazes us all? on polish ukrainian russian and

other channels they are talking about states, about some kind of cake, the russians are ashamed to listen to me, but we’ll give it a little lower. and kyiv will be russian. what are you talking about? you say that armenia is now behaving incorrectly with nato. some are already winning, they are saying that we will call ourselves the separatist territory and take control, it is impossible, since the state is not in the baltic states, nor in poland, nor in kiev, nor in moscow, understand one thing. let's somehow return to some kind of common sense . it feels like at the beginning of the 21st century. politicians went crazy and began to remember tsar pea, where there was such a state. let's remember the great mongol empire , i remembered how russian women were taken out on carts, when the tatars, let's not go crazy. the first thing i want to say is that i don’t think that this is a seizure of territory. this is defending the honor of russia because they tried to wipe their feet on it. therefore, here are any arguments of certain freaks and scum

, which i cannot call otherwise, which begin to talk about sovereign states. like a some uh, so to speak, uh, personal one in the fatherland doesn’t care about people’s lives, because the orders are through this operation. and behind each of these exclamations that we are great, we will come and put things in order here, the death of specific people has broken destinies, so everyone needs to calm down a little, and the poles are being skillfully used by the americans, inciting them to this uh election, well, their elections are on october 15. let's take this incident at the border, if

you know. for the animals that are in this fence, these are these brainless idlers who they begin to heat up the situation, pit people against each other, constantly create such a mood of mutual non-reconciliation and demonstrate the inability to negotiate on the other side. they are packed and sitting in a warm studio. they freeze in the trenches, and the rats don’t gnaw at the heels. therefore, you need to turn on your brain a little to understand what is happening now, the biggest disaster is the beginning of the 21st century on the european plain. the war is a full-fledged war, which has a very high chance of escalation, so people are people who call for a more moderate position greater respect for their holiday partners within the framework of the eurasian union, within the european union and within the world

community. they are more sensible. more responsible are those who rattle their tongues and take boys in shorts from the beach in ukraine to the front. are they nazis or who are they? listen to me. let's use our brains, so my head of state should have a more peaceful and sensible policy. yes, and i addressed the same poles more than once over the last few times and said exactly that to ours to the poles and to the polish authorities. he said that we are determined to build constructive, healthy , normal relationships with everyone. but, at the same time, he said, and all the analytical experts who monitor political events understand that on october 15th they have elections, this is a political campaign, everyone understands perfectly well that any political campaign, uh, does not take place exclusively on voting day.

it starts long ago, and manipulates people. they can and, accordingly, they are shaking up the situation in poland demographic crisis, inflation, hostility between parties, everyone knows very well that capital is being repurchased by german companies by american companies. as a matter of fact, in poland, despite the fact that the apparent mirror of european freedom was placed in front of the soviet union and everything seemed to be fine there. not everything is good there. and that’s why it ’s there. well, this is belarus which suddenly suddenly has to, supposedly, attack it and it turns out that even the holiday that we have defined for ourselves as a state holiday holiday of national unity. we are immediately told what you did against the poles . although for sure, it was done a little like that. listen to show that comrade poles. let's be neighbors. they may be friends, but not enemies

on the eve of the polish election campaign. yes , many poles doubt that their voices will be heard, and even on the stv television company a lot of people come and talk about our various projects. so, poland is a state with borders in one direction. well, she doesn’t have any independence politics poland has turned into a restaurant drag on the tail, and there is nothing that unites like a fight against someone. that is, now, uh, that’s it, it’s clear, the russians have become like , uh, belarusians, white orks. and the belarusians, in a different way, are those who stand guard, first of all , of russia’s rear, and the second point is very important for a peace-loving policy in europe if they listen in belarus there will be peace. they constantly provoke us. you know the migration crisis. yes, that is, they condemned us, but there was some kind of forceful reaction. well

what can i say? they know what they see there what does it mean that we are so emotional, well, our leaders are externally emotional, although in fact a person who does not make uninformed decisions with external emotionality, understanding this. and i probably don’t fully understand since they did this, but during this immigration crisis. mm alexandrovich, i probably remember our colleagues working at the border, what they were doing there, helicopters in the air and water cannons and everything in the world that, in principle, should have entailed some kind of forceful reaction, which took place over the course of several days. we waited and now we tried ours would shoot there so that it would be well, you know, in relations with poland we will never pass by september 17, and this is a holiday of national unity, but it has always existed as a holiday. yes, it was called differently during soviet times and it all comes from my childhood; i come from western

belarus, which is only the street on september 17th. i lived on pervomaiskaya street, and the neighboring house on september 17 street, the central street of the city of shchuchina, still exists, so there was always a holiday and we considered it. eh, how it’s always a positive holiday, and the poles are too those who lived in the polish people's republic always believed and relatives came to us. uh, my good friends there, my uncle colonel came from poland and why is it now adopted by the polish establishment not by the polish people, but by polish places, because they have a birth trauma. how great poland once was. and they remember the polish-soviet war of 19-21, and they supposedly won there and belarus is a blend. what is this, belarus and now belarus

is a full-fledged state that coincides with the map of the settlement of belarusians in kara is almost one to one and for them, naturally, the image of the enemy is always needed, but bialystok was also there in this map. but that’s okay, these are nuances, these are nuances. well, we know, uh, what sovereignty is, what the independence of the president is, very clearly outlined and uh, that’s all. and as for the migration crisis. it was they who came up with it for themselves. because before they dealt with these immigration flows at the expense of belarus , we had agreements. eh, we got help. we are partially first aid between assistance from states. alexander, the latest news from the polish press , the deputy minister of foreign affairs, is based on a scandal that supposedly certain missions are opening in arab countries that are almost handing out visas with stamps right and left. the establishment of the polish republic does this for us. they talk about how they

are protecting their country from the migration crisis, and i have some of those questions. and they can do whatever they do, belarus is all bad alexander this one question about passports. yes, there, first of all , the comrades living in poland became excited because ... well, yes, indeed, our uh, diploma institution e will no longer issue passports for these cursory experiments. the question is quite simple, but russian journalists called it trolling. as you wish. you can call us already, he accuses us of not caring about our own citizens. at the same time, i say again that the poles. the third one is doing whatever they want, and the day before i only watched a show on a ukrainian tv channel, where they say that let us suspend the citizenship of ukrainians who left for ukraine and now do not want, according to the constitution, to fight on the eastern front with the russians. why do ukrainians get away with this

, while we really, while defending our country from these extremist comrades , are advised not to take away our citizenship, to come here, to come here is another situation. i’ve added to your question. you usually understand, today i and maybe the situation is much deeper? why do we think that everything we do, everything the leadership of belarus does is in defiance pole in defiance of the fugitive. maybe we're doing this for ourselves. maybe it was easier to make an explanation that i didn’t have time to do first. i would not like this decree to be politicized at all. well, first of all, well, let's look at our children abroad. they are cutting back today. and today it is important for us. here you go. systematize these administrative procedures and reduce the burden on our consulates, e and embassies. this is the first. second, i don’t see any problem if once every 10 years a citizen of the republic of belarus who, for one reason or another lives in another country will come here to

the territory of the republic, belarus listen to a few you know from the beautiful streets of the city of minsk or there the city with a speech and so on, belarus is a magnificent country to meet with friends and relatives 50 graves. well why not? yes, of course, this decree brings a certain problem for those elements against whom criminal cases are possible on the territory of the republic of belarus. nobody has canceled the inevitability of punishment, and there are enough of them abroad. and i'm not even talking about extremists now terrorists. they are generally subject to another citizenship law, which says that persons who will be sentenced by the court are recognized as extremists. and they generally lose their citizenship. yes, and you know the banal thing, there are thieves there. yeah, yeah, or for particularly serious crimes, there are a lot of people who have committed uh, crimes related to drug trafficking, corruption, and so on. listen to us. we need to bring them back here. they must pay damages

to the state, and to our victims citizens, and then i want to draw your attention. what is there, in addition to passports , today we are saying that the transaction should, uh, really decent participation take place. well, the transaction of purchase and sale of real estate , cars, and so on, or by power of attorney, which is issued on the territory of the republic of belarus and look. after all, this is also the safety of our citizens. look how rampant fraud is today. and today, in general, all these transactions should be maximized and the state should be interested in ensuring that they are protected as much as possible. and when it happens personally, but listen here, we can protect both the seller and buy, or this and still, why wouldn’t i want this question? this decree has become politicized. listen to our president all the time, he says, our dear belarusians. come back, we are waiting for you, anything has happened , we have done something. well, this is a bad thing, repent and the commission works. by the way

, it works well, yes, evgeniy, what are we doing, scanning this person and giving him full information about what her status is here, yes, then yes, if a criminal case has been initiated against him, we inform him, and this is his right to accept. let the decision to come or not come, but not the aversion of the punishment. no one is there, first of all, remember covid. well, it’s not normal to walk around the forest or the city wearing a mask. well, it’s inconvenient, right, but there is a situation that requires a more attentive attitude to legal procedures, that is, citizens must understand. today the geopolitical situation is so complex, let’s say, mildly, that we are forced to accept this regulatory act, perhaps it will be temporary and in the future some procedures will be simplified, but today, if we want to maintain peace on belarusian soil, if we want to protect ourselves from some kind of drg from unnecessary people on the territory who could cause us harm and damage. we must do this the second time. i'll be more

frank here. listen, we had citizens who absolutely sincerely wished harm to their country, well, they declared it officially. they asked for sanctions. uh, when the sanctions had already been introduced were not against it, but even insisted that weapons of mass destruction be used against belarus. so why should we promise life to such people? they wanted to put us in an awkward position, but mind you, they put themselves in an awkward position. today , visiting them on the territory of your stay is not the best. so for the authorities , they are a hemorrhoids problem for them, they have made money for themselves. and here we will primarily take care of those who pay taxes here. and those who take care of their parents here, against whom they imposed sanctions and we will , first of all, create conditions for these zhanna, but we understand that maybe the situation is a woman getting married, someone studying, and so on and so forth, we understand all this, but once again we pay attention. there are situations

when regulations are adjusted to the situation. this is exactly what is normative. well, as a matter of fact, we understand that most likely this is the case, but on the other hand. let's remember one more word that the president often says justice in the native deck. and now they want to get water from it. and why wo n’t such democratic and uh, humanistic european countries meet these palaces halfway for democrats? give them your passports. they want to know why we we know why because e they have already succeeded, they are spoiling the crime situation in poland and lithuania because i want to say, don’t just give them your passports. give passports to those you consider non-citizens. in lithuania, lviv will be corrected in lithuania, in latvia and estonia, or for example, look at the law on russian influence in poland. no civil rights are violated there, that’s something else. this is

different. time has shown a lot about how different states behaved in this situation. for example, the same europeans have all sorts of illusions in the unity of the european union. yes , very much like quick sex in the legal sphere. they are, after all. eh, well, now they don’t change anything, they don’t prevent us from making some of our own. eh, basically the decision is about documents or something else. sorry in england presidential law. they live by this, they came up with the law, they passed the laws, glory. god can be guided by it. andrey listen a. many people very much say that if now, even relatively speaking, in the twentieth year, such a situation had turned out that western belarus would become part of poland, this is a purely photomodel story, then the poles, most likely, would not have come up with anything else on the territory of western belarus; they came up with some kind of uaz state vehicle that would appear. well

, there’s nothing, he’s there, but a buffer between b belarus to russia and, strictly speaking, these are all fairy tales about giving back. we are about to become part of poland. i understand that there are also comrades who live there with these thoughts, perhaps with this money, who come from poland. and they are handcuffed, everyone who agrees with such thoughts voices my putting on handcuffs from any state , a representative will come here and start speaking about my country in the same context as armenia about ukraine or another country, let’s put handcuffs on me here. i say again, we no one should tell us a sovereign state, neither washington nor brussels nor moscow nikita we will be friends with everyone, and all our best partners, but we must remember the belarusians too. you should not agree with anyone who speaks disrespectfully about your country. okay, so that's why there are handcuffs. this is the territory. this would have happened, or the poles, we really have our own arial and let us suddenly suddenly receive polish passports, and then once in august of the twentieth year

we lost. and such a slap in the face as seventeenth. damn, it’s like national unity day for these belarusians, they are poles with belarusians. well , what we know from the 1920s is that the schengen states carried out such, let’s say, hidden mobilization of us. it was necessary to transfer military forces to the western border, because the poles did the same thing, but were they going to cross this border? this is a big question. that is, they distracted our security forces. here, so that you cannot use the army somewhere in the republic, because remember, there were many points of protest. and so it was such a special distraction strategy. next, what could have happened? well, they demanded a recount of votes for new elections. that is, they went with it. this is the first month or so as a program. what are new elections? we need to start some kind of troops, like, you know, an observation mission, something like that, that is, it will be the evil tomonov one. there is something. well, you know, like yugoslavia, for example. well, they created a coalition for this cause, that is, just like that, cross the border to attack someone. well, you know military aggression, that is the poles didn’t do that. they are not doing this with ukraine today, so that it could happen further, that is, when we are talking about

what he knows, the country is falling. yes, the regimes have a chance to take the whole country. yes, they are some kind of western regions, of course. take all why did he only western belarus then there was a chance to install some kind of transitional government that would be supported by western security forces there, then hold new elections, whatever, but this would already be access to control. here is the third question, what would do russia in this case, that is, we looked at our own. what could happen in a bad scenario? that is, could there be something like this here? well, probably yes, if you need to eliminate the balcony, where there are russian ones and let’s say, there are strategic objects where there is a union group. everything else is gantsevich. watering can. this is world war iii. if so , it’s openly dirty. well, they're not stupid either. that is, they constantly create such threats so as not to receive a nuclear response. like this, so as not to be stupid or insolent to commit military aggression is undermined from within. in general, this is why all these color revolutions exist, but remember , you and i once also discussed the fact that and for our opponents, they have everything

written down, you need to be able to read their documents, which in general in the majority. we don’t do it in ours. we, when we talk about the fact that someone will not go and insolently will not cross this line. we are probably romanticizing and disingenuous somewhere, because if, after all, the polish army, and on polish territory , considerable forces are accumulating for offensive, which means sooner or later, somewhere, this wall, everyone knows, of course, chekhov's gun. it hangs necessarily in some act that that problematic situation must occur in which she gathers her role, uh, to talk about how some kind of armed aggression will begin. well , i think it’s still quite difficult; there are no two absolutely identical wars that would start; the reasons will certainly be found. uh, a reason for an invasion will also always be found and say that yes, we can lead

of course, proxy wars are often hybrid wars. what is hybrid warfare today? well, you can’t tell or give a clear definition of what’s going on, say, hybrid, everyone nods their head. yes, yes, hybrid is the same here, but the fastest solution to any political issue is quick. this is a military invasion in order to dictate its terms, there is nothing else, no one has come up with anything else, because the army is still an instrument of this policy and today, as i say, it is always with anyone any statesman's policy is his word 10 exactly as many as he has tanks and artillery, and as strong as his army. unfortunately. today we have slipped into this world, and poland is playing out this scenario. maybe there is no doubt about rolling down to where this chekhov’s gun will certainly fire, you know, andrei petrovich, i just have this, based on your words. see september 17. we truly understand that holidays are

about unity. there is also a story there. liberation from polish ok? there is a certain one there. that's how i am said, uh, position about the enemy we defeated. can the holiday of september 17, taking into account the fact that the war is already around us, and the war is in our minds, september 17 be the ideology of victory we are defending about yours, you know what everyone says, we defeated the germans in 1945. and this is an axiom. but the fact that we defeated the poles in '39 is an extremely rare phrase. and this is so. well , it’s probably wrong to say that we defeated the poles or didn’t win. what happened on september 17th. let's remember the polish leadership fled to romania and took the most valuable thing was not polish soldiers or seven japanese military personnel, but they took the gold reserve with them and they fled to romania . and then while the germans fought

the poles in the west. what happened was that we just came and here, in fact, the people received him, he embraced his, his, his army. i have a father. he himself was also from the vitebsk region from the depths, where the villages are not far away, and he recalled that his grandmother always told him this, my grandmother , his mother, that petya look, these are our russian poles. they are strangers and says when they entered there, the red army marched. we say we ran out and greeted them with apples, because our army was coming. we clearly understood this, and we were waiting for them today, september 17. this is a truly significant event. the only thing that is still fully realized to me is that this is truly a unification of our people. i think that this month or this year september 17th will fall on a day off. i think that from next year it will always be a weekend. i think the parliamentarian will support me in this matter

in every possible way. the comments will support the most the main thing is that we will definitely fill it with an ideological component, which will allow us to understand the full depth. why don’t we fully and not so quickly celebrate this holiday, but we understand that we accept it, because after all, more than one generation of belarusians has already grown up, for whom this is the country that we know within the borders for which it is a given , well, just like it’s a given that it didn’t happen. we have a blue independent majority of us were born in the soviet union really justify we we and we understand the fact that our motherland is still the soviet union , people who were born in your generation younger. they really represent belarus. otherwise they don't understand the different flag of other cards. this is the only truth . i'm a little unclear about the territory in general. listen, if we start delving into the history of holidays in neighboring states, we have many military

leaders, uh, victory battles. they will not celebrate, they will be in doubt, yes, to whom do we even have to prove anything. we have made a political decision, we are sovereign state. i say again, we ourselves will determine on our own territory which military contingent will be reimbursed. what weapon? what are the holidays and will these holidays be right? as i understand it, you have such a bit of an interpretation for citizens in the context of the correct understanding of this holiday. well, naturally. yes, no in this regard, but in general i doubt it. where are you? i don’t care what the neighboring state will think about the national holiday of belarus, this is our holiday national unity day national unity. yes, this is not connected with our aggression, but with our peace-loving position - unification, that is, the floor of the house was glued to another and that’s all. and what happened here in belarus is very important: we are a monolithic nation. why couldn’t we make such a spectacular maidan for a color revolution as in ukraine yes, because ukraine is divided

western central eastern and in brest , mogilev and vitebsk they equally love the central government, they recognize miss yes , the current president is in favor. and we have a classic unification. in this division is very important. this speaks of the integrity and monolith of the state along our borders. i ’ll keep you here, because you were remembering the story of your father. and this is ours, yes, and i just remember the story told about how western-eastern ukraine united and so there they hugged me and threw stones at me and some other stories, because still hmm in ukraine this one. the rift was larger than these little guys. she is ukraine and ukraine, speaking in russian, speaking by faith and so on and so forth, we didn’t have that. and in general, this is what to do, belarus. and the goal is being pushed forward all the time, but

to say who is good and who is bad? divide into black and white, but in general, the strength of belarus is that, being in a very difficult situation, we always rely on a very large number of supports in different areas in different areas, therefore, well, some kind of radicalism , in principle, it should not be possible to reject someone. and somehow this is not our way. look, if you take ukraine, ukraine is really a country that was created in in many ways artificial, no matter how ukrainians say that this is one country. yes, this country is big. this is a multicultural country. this is a multi-religious, multi- ethnic country. bulgarians, romanians, ukrainians, rusyns, russians are a lot of people and really a country that implies some kind of federation with some kind of loyalty to the territory that exists and perhaps that ’s how it would be. belarus is a country in which, well, 75% of the population are belarusians. this is the country of the nation in which they live and we really

talk about the fact that we well, one day moment in the thirty-ninth year these very lands were collected. and on these lands we live , that same unity, but you understand, we ’ve talked a thousand times about explaining to people that unity is simply getting together and being in one country. it's hard when you take something away, it's hard. here, look, andrey, i have another question for you again, i’m talking about poland. why are the poles still pushing through this position similar to the chair, yes , that is, pictures where in the maps, uh, our western territories are drawn, which are part of the polish-lithuanian commonwealth, the second story is a story about that , that comrade pilsudski is such a great democrat, although in terms of the level there, i don’t know totalitarianism. uh, poland was not inferior, as they say, to the same soviet union and , as a matter of fact, despite the fact that even you say that if you, perhaps , polish troops, would have entered here, perhaps you would not have captured the country, or created something else, or they simply wouldn’t dare

cross the border, but it’s being interpreted. this story is that this is our earth, these are our territories and suddenly suddenly they get such a thing, and the belarusians have about this holidays. well, you know, we examined, for example, the new textbooks that are used there today. well, the last one was there for about three years, that is, the history of belarus is presented there. well, literally the 20th century, probably in two paragraphs. that is, why was there a kpzb? why was there resistance? they explain poland because there were russian subversive elements. so they sent spies there. only an external factor. therefore, it means that the local population rebelled, and that’s why it happened. yes and so we were happy, no national problems. there's not even are affected. if we write in detail in textbooks that there were fishermen there in astana , there were fishermen, it was a bullpen, there were underground organizations. there it was all announced simply, well, there were, like, explosive elements and that’s the point. this is the new kursk history map , they really draw it and, you know, these are not just maps on paper. there are monuments there, as if they were painted over, well, bas-reliefs with

the eastern territories there are carved out. or rather, the pulls of ukraine and belarus yes, this is andrey, well, we won’t redraw all the maps for them there, right? here. if we fight this, then in general it makes no sense, of course. well, i'll tell you, nationally. it’s interesting that when we had this, like, honeymoon to become more of a historian, they set a task. let's join polish historians. the concept was developed jointly by someone. well, it would seem, yes, let’s pour four into two and we’ll agree on two, as we have nothing like that, that is, history. without sharing, it is impossible to reach a consensus, even when we were friends. today i’m already there with them to negotiate something. basically impossible to eat will change. we will not solve the transit issue. there is no limit to the time when power should change. do you believe it. i think that a much more complex screen can be replaced a little with the weak one. this simplifies everything. you understand one thing, everyone is

radically nationally oriented. he and movement are a tool, i also want to explain, we always confuse the tool, which means, uh, with the final goal. why is ukraine not needed? in general, kirill is wrong , your mistake is when you expose the rights of the state to statehood to sovereignty due to the fact that it is complex, educated, etc. it is complex, but he has the right to a state. this is a brainless policy, an unfriendly insult to our closest ally and an insult to the largest regional and world power, russia, this is their brainless policy, internal, external, all decisions were made to split society, both religious and national, but statehood cannot be questioned, the independence of how it was formed 30 years to the state 20 respect and consider all this from now on tool. i’m explaining to you about poland so that you understand, there’s no need to confuse citizens, there’s no need to get caught up in all this, the americans draw the maps there. so i tell you that it is very difficult

to service external debt, very difficult. it's expensive. the most profitable business is to control the international financial system and have control over the reserve currency. what is a reserve currency? this, when the whole world pays your expenses, any products arriving on your territory cost you nothing, but the elite has concentrated its financial flows. anglo-saxons in different regions of the world. but this is the source of income. they have the fact that they will have to abandon this , perhaps, because a number of legions began to gain strength, how russia concentrated its economy on earning efficient resources and buying quickly, not developing, but quickly receiving technology from europe, they saw this europe the competitive currency euro is growing due to cheap resources, russia has raised, and in strengthening it has created large ones, which means that currency reserves, firstly, could also influence the exchange rate china, again, could influence rates by having a large money supply and releasing it into

circulation. god influences the second course. they began to think about creating alternative financial centers, including reserve currencies; a political decision was made in washington and london that it was necessary to weaken the eurasia region; i explain it to you in russian. and these are all the tools that these mean, for this we need a war in europe, for this it was necessary to leave the european union, first of all, a competitor to the euro, to weaken russia so that it never could raise its head a decade ahead and now along the perimeter of russia you see, i told you this a few months ago , it’s starting, armenia central asia caucasus turkey will connect, that is, it will now set fire along the perimeter and accordingly, uh, weakened. eh, then they will gradually weaken it, china. although now two countries have benefited from this event, china and the united states, so regarding all these movements in poland, they are deliberate. through the special services , certain politicians were financed by the americans; they act according to the very principle. they do not buy the state. they buy people,

and people give them everything for free; they also bought part of the russian one. the elites who took their children’s property and everything else there now. here they are, yes, they bring order. and how many corrupt people there were , that’s why we have such unsuccessful ones, but operations are happening and that’s why we have problems today , including within the framework of the csto, because it’s not enough. we were effective, and they say that we should raise our hands up. we must draw the right conclusions to understand that a very serious enemy is working with us, who has a lot of money. in short, the armed forces are very serious and they calculated everything very well and today they played this move with white, you understand, and russia responded to this reaction, therefore, in this case, poland is an instrument. and what they must understand, friends, is that they want their tool now, like cannon fodder. it’s somehow too early to direct against us, so we need to reach out to european politicians, that they are being used today, that their presidents are puppets, a, a impulses and orders come from washington

. but tell me at the legislative level, or just at the state level now, perhaps, work with the establishment’s search, or else. well, in general there is no center of power there with which it was possible to conduct normal rational negotiations. the fact is that it was correctly said here that polish national interests. they don’t bother anyone and the polish establishment, including they don’t have their own sovereignty to implement them, but you have to try, and history all of poland it shows that they can only increase territory through wars of conquest. this was in the twenties. and not only soviet russia did not fight there from czechoslovakia and with part of other territories , and therefore during the division at the munich agreement, too, but we have to knock, because uh, we can only get the truth. unity to make the present the only one, huh? and

they have this unity, or what is happening to them now is the result of precisely what is not inside. this is the rod they the only ones trying to create, but what kind of policy did poland have before the thirty-ninth year, it was a policy of ethnocide, poland for the poles. although initially they found they were marching under slogans for our and your freedom, including from belarus under tsarism. uh, during the first world war, when the treaty of versailles was decided there. well then they are in '26. they had a pure military coup drank by slutsky and then purely relied on military force. therefore, we need to be strong first of all so that we can, uh, actually left more distances. although stalin actually still has our country in 1939, therefore, when we strengthen and strengthen our national security, and it consists of many areas,

if we are strong, then poland will be forced to talk to us about this topic. so on a tangent. i was still listening. here you are, this thesis we come to one, to the understanding that unity, and in any kind of event in any business, this is the key to victory , the key to the fact that you will be strong petrovich . uh. vadim touched on this point, associated with the csto. is there unity in this organization or not? and look, is it possible to compare unity within one state with the understanding of unity within, i don’t know , some political bloc , military-political bloc. well, i don’t think it’s possible to compare the unity of a state and the unity of a bloc; firstly, the interests of different states. they will still be varied. that is, we are even located, in fact, in different regions, so to say that we have eleventh views, for example, from the same armenia and kyrgyzstan

and belarus when we have problems absolutely, well, they are absolutely affected in different regions and the exercises that took place just the other day were completed from the first to the sixth of september. they showed, in principle, very high coherence between command and control bodies and troops. that is, the kazakhstan that we visited quite recently. yes, it certainly gave its results, but the problems we have are dkb. they remained remained and what plan, where we waited, armenia completely refused to conduct a joint exercise with us. that is, in fact, it has now curtailed all its activities within the framework of the collective security treaty organization. and what we see is that it is now being carried out into local exercises by the united states. america yes , it’s called a partnership, and they can tell you, so these are our very national interests, somehow we are right? well, we say that national interest, when

you are within the framework of some kind of agreement, it still affects the interests of other states, especially in military terms, what is today play out in military terms. imagine for a second if the dkb court came to conduct, for example , joint exercises in germany or the uk in this situation. well, probably there would have been very much on the side; i won’t name the countries, but other countries also worked with the americans and trained. let's continue with what the first one said, so let's tell fairy tales like this. there were exercises with other csto countries , the united states, i explain what happened, so let’s still talk about the conditions in which these exercises took place. international vadim after all, let's talk about this, i'm talking about training. and we have very little time left there. i want to talk about unity. there is already unity within the country , unity within some blocs. in my

opinion. it must be driven by one with a single understanding of the ultimate goal. well done, that is, ah, we understand that for belarusians the only important goal is to preserve themselves, that is, the country that we know and love is what it is today , a country in which there is a place for our poles and our jew and our belarusians and our russian country, in which you can speak russian and polish and belarusian even in english. in any language, yes, that is, this is our main goal, we must do everything in order not to lose the most important sovereignty of our unity, therefore, when we talk about blocks, there should be. a fast-moving force that takes into account the interests of partners and makes sure that the block is good and safe when it is good and safe in this block. this trend impetuous force and the block expands, if the centripetal force allows itself disrespectful statements, certain actions, or does not provide safety

for its allies. unfortunately , a split occurs; we are undergoing formation in this block. in no case should alexander lukashenko be right when he says that what we have created and have needs to be preserved, then we will not get married again, but conclusions and mistakes must be taken into account regarding belarus. the first thing is for you and me. naturally there should be a glance at one side. you don’t know that we won’t have other opinions, but a common understanding of where we are going and unshakable values ​​should not be any specific matters. everyone must make some contribution to ensure that we are united, sovereign , value each other, value our country, value our native language, for example, value our culture and so on, so everyone makes some small contribution to the overall outline. in a general sense. in your understanding, we have two words as unity. what's this? you see, i look, look at this picture. everyone is different a connection between generations, but we are all belarusians and, well

, we unite and it was correctly said why, in order to save this country from turbulence around. and we are unique , we don’t care about territory, we don’t want to, we always stand for peace and truly. so we must always go our own way, united, even if we are different, we did not give up our beloved, now we need to save and preserve her. that’s all i can say. well, look, our country really created with quite a lot of complexity as an independent state, but with a very long history, we need to take care of history, we need to remember that the future is the same story, only slightly improved with

the holiday of people's medical day. every week the heroes of the project go on a journey of such architectural solutions and you will probably not find such monuments in any corner of belarus according to the rules of the project. they must complete all tasks and complete the quest. so, i received a rather interesting task: find a cork tree plantation , together with them we will visit the historical places of our country and admire

the sights. this is historical the holy place was created and equipped in honor of st. nicholas nevsky behind my back. he is the same amulet that was erected at the beginning of the 20th century. this is the big ben of this city. wow, there's even a freemason sign here. here he is, watch the rock, paper, scissors program on our tv channel. what impression do you get from someone who visited our country for the first time? when i came to belarus, i saw that the sky was very strong and the water was very clean, the air was very good , the people were kind and the girl was very beautiful. i especially love belarus in the spring, when the chestnuts they bloom when yellow rapeseed blossoms poisonously along the roads, and this is the yellow sea, after which it