dreams bathing dozhinki clamps all this is carried out in the countries of residence. and you asked a question about the number, it is very difficult, of course, to calculate from various sources from one and a half to three and a half million, but there are about 220 registered public associations with which we specifically cooperate. so, as for the holidays literally, last sunday. our country celebrated its youngest public holiday. national unity day. in spain they know about this holiday. svetlana somehow let's connect, all our compatriots are watching very closely. uh, they constantly monitor and watch, uh, the media monitors what is happening in our country. i'm sure everyone knows about this holiday. uh, we’re, uh, like the belarusian diaspora , we’re gathering. e. hmm we celebrate emotional uh holidays and of course. uh, ritual holidays , for example, the last one, the holiday we celebrated was bathing hmm, floating wreaths on

the water, uh, jumping over a fire, uh, st. nicholas day, uh, setting up creative gliders meetings, literary evenings. eh, we maintain all sorts of connections with our homeland svetlana how else do you use it? mmm, and share with them the experience that you are absorbing here on belarusian soil as part of this festival, well, according to the nature of your activity. e hmm i am the head of the educational and consulting language center, so we organize linguistic internships for spanish students who study russian. uh, on the territory of belarus they come here in the summer. uh, for uh summer intensive courses hmm practice russian and pass official exams in risha. uh, other areas of our activity are also uh, organizing and uh, classes with children compatriots uh according to

the school curriculum of the belarusian primary school uh, the children are doing um, online uh using belarusian textbooks and going through the program of the belarusian school. uh, on saturdays we do this in order to teach children to look at the world through the prism of their native language and to develop, after all, some kind of belonging, awareness of belonging to his second. uh, culture, and other areas of our activity are also, uh, translations and now, uh, having arrived in belarus, i brought. e. hmm, a book published by a spanish publishing house. jala partha. this is also a very interesting project. e our student. anna from my very famous prominent spanish hmm political cultural petel has been to belarus several times

i was imbued with our atmosphere and history and decided that it was time for spain to also tell a little about belarus and i chose a military theme, so the book that we translated published this year. this is a book. vasil bykov go not return is not a commercial project. this is a volunteer, uh, initiative and uh, here we are ready to please you now and is available in spanish. absolutely right. thank you. olga and the capsule director of the republican center for national cultures and svetlana eskova answered your questions about the program. the head of the spanish association from belarus, director of the advisory language center, results and analysis of the main events of this week in the atn information and analytical program. main broadcast. all projects our tv channel is available on the website www.bi.

belarus 24.2 is also on social networks. i say goodbye to you. all the best. september days we remember our history and turn the page of textbooks. and we also talk with our children about the fact that since it was not always the case now, that just a hundred years ago belarus was not within its current borders, that our western land and brest and pinsk - great baranovichi should was to become a bridge for polish expansion. further east on september 17, the thirty- ninth day changed the course of history reunification of belarus' eastern and western

parts on september 17. the thirty-ninth year of the last century has become a symbol of our national unity that is not subject to time, but this experience tells us that it is no less important to be together in peacetime , to work for the good of our people and fatherland , and to live in such a way as to never repeat the mistakes of the past again. in order to be strong in the face of new threats and challenges of the time, in order to preserve our peaceful , amazing, beautiful belarus for children and grandchildren, they give tribute to this memorable date, when and the country and nation have become united again . national unity day reminds us of the triumph of historical justice, which , however, is an eyesore and an eyesore for some today. how to maintain the integrity of the nation, despite geopolitical storms. don’t forget about the past and preserve the present, the eve of the day

of national unity. this is our number one main question. one frantsevich, today we are in a special place, the temple of the book of the national library. it preserves the memory, including the events of the last century, when belarus was well, for almost 20 years, it has actually been divided into two living parts, what a time it was for those belarusians, as we often say, who were on the other side of the border on the other side, and for the eastern belarusians. what was the policy of poland, in relation to these belarusian lands, further could be the intentions of the polish or from the very beginning even before the signing of the treaty of riga during the negotiations that took place in october. uh, twenty years old. and even a little

earlier it became clear that there would be a division of belarus and even then our society, uh, perceived as a great drama and even a tragedy uh. this division is truly heartbreaking. eh, there was a painful process, a tragic process for belarusians since the late twenties, in fact we are talking about such an ethnic dictatorship. uh, this is in a political dictatorship. this is harsh pressure on a national and religious basis, it is being carried out more and more clearly. we see this clearly from the negative dynamics of belarusian schools, which are practically disappearing, the belarusian press is being squeezed out, it comes to the point that it is forbidden to speak openly in the belarusian language in public space, quotas are introduced for ethnic minorities in the bureaucracy in the army, in the police they are not allowed to hold officer positions, they are not allowed in higher educational institutions. e.i. if belarusians were not allowed in at all, then the jews who get there are subjected to discrimination, consciously based on ethnic and religious principles

, the orthodox church is being infringed upon. well, the year thirty-four, everyone knows this is the creation of the infamous concentration camp in the arthurian birch, the combination of these conditions created such a stuffy atmosphere of suppression. well, in addition, it must be said that a conscious policy of nervous economic development was pursued. but de facto it was about western belarus being subjected to colonial exploitation, and from here they were being siphoned off. eh, raw materials were supplied there. e. well, do you know there is such a myth that supposedly in everyday life? they lived well there, but we have objective data , memories, and you know some individual residents there. well, someone might have gotten to panu. there in the servant or somewhere else. yes, he could live well. or maybe there really was a prosperous state park there, in belarusian style, it seems, than there were few of them; in general, the general impressions of people coincide with the data that we have. well, yes, there was relative abundance in the stores, but the availability of these goods was extremely low, that is, people

could afford, uh, buy a style or product that the majority of the population did not have access to. here we need to imagine once again emphasizing this situation in western belarus to understand why it created objective conditions for the national liberation struggle, which took place in different forms, like steam? we must still study and return to the tang war of the insurgency, simply a mass insurgency. well, by the way, if we take this event in september, we know. there are different interpretations, but official poland still believes today that this campaign was carried out by the red army. it was nothing more than the occupation of the eastern lands then, which were part of poland, we can answer such statements, because, well, the poles can consider anything unconditional. it was painful for them, but nevertheless the soviet union did not want to enter the war. and he was straining the situation and the red army.

it began its campaign only in the conditions of the flight of the polish government from warsaw, no matter how they twisted the fact, it was established that the government left warsaw, the polish army was defeated. by that time, the soviets had entered the territory of western belarus of western blood. well, the most important thing is the attitude of the local population. we know what with the exception of the ethnic poles and belarus , or even the sheep and jews, they welcomed the reds and we have evidence that it was a wide popular concert. everyone was welcomed into the red army, how did they release so much hatred for the polish regime that we have recorded it? well, there are several hundred, maybe more cases when i set myself within the limits. you know, i would say that the frame is a kind of belarusian triumphal arch - it is a bright sculptural symbol, an architectural symbol of any time. even more architectural. uh, here you go this period of the thirty-ninth year all political forces. here the communists to the christian democrats welcomed the arrival of the red fair, once again, understanding

both the positive and negative features of the soviet system, uh, and this is what we rely on when we talk about the significance of the seventeenth holiday. e september. not only as liberation, but also as a fire of national unity, and it is fundamentally important for us that the conditions were created under which the belarusian state was united in the fullness of its borders, that period was all ethnic lands, belarus in your opinion, reproaches or claims. this is from the side of official poland today. they do not remain in this question or is this still such a historical logical step, since this is the language of historical claims for us. yes, they are trying to unite and pass these resolutions. they even passed the european parliament through there to the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe with condemnation. uh, that is, to blame the soviet union on the same level as germany, which is absolutely unfounded and blame it on

their own military political calculations, which led to the outbreak of world war ii. and this polish company. this is an attempt to transfer the wine. it is preserved and will be preserved, i am convinced of this from a political point of view. official policy states no. we have no complaints, at the same time , cruising movements are expanding in poland and are supported by the government. that is, it is, as it were, in memory, and the collection of crosses preserves documents on rights, property, and so on and so on . there are, uh, cultural political organizations, but they operate, we cannot help but notice them. no matter what they are. i say the influence again, they will be supported, including by the polish government. the second point is the pole’s card, let me remind you that initially it was introduced only for post-soviet territory. now they have already been extended to other countries. well, why are they introducing this card? it means some kind of claims, that is, an attempt to use the polonium of the polish diaspora in the world in the interests of their political influence. the next point, i am convinced that at this

stage, polish political circles, well, do not set the goal of rejecting any part territory, they need complete control by states. what form is now the concept that the party of law and justice preaches. this is the fourth speech of the polish-lithuanian commonwealth, the creation of the so-called union between the baltic sea and the black sea. where in the center of hegemony, there will be more and it will be surrounded by state protectors. from estonia to moldova, and we see in the example of ukraine, starting from may last year , a whole series of agreements that actually make ukraine dependent on poland. well, in particular, the most famous ones are that polish citizens are given rights. it’s not just equal and absolutely exclusive rights with ukrainians. i think foreigners are not granted such rights, and such legislative norms do not apply to ukrainians, but they are postal territories. that is, if we talk about the colonialist character, these are generally documents. this is the combination of these factors, and it emphasizes and testifies to the presence

of such geopolitical ambitions. e among polish politicians, and not only among the ruling party. in your opinion, why do we today with such different eyes? again, with our neighbors, we look at this historical memory at the historical truth. do we today have any hope of understanding reconciliation in these issues based on history in the fact that neighboring peoples do not need to be dramatized, this happens so often. and in general, even i would say, this is, naturally, a process. there is no need to strive for some kind of unification in history, total and your own versions of history. and even this is an individual subject of study ; it’s a different matter when history is politicized and used for their own interests. we see this, for example and poland, where the institute of national memory was actually created. this is, uh, the historical police with very strict sanctions for other interpretations, polish politicians pay great attention. they simply give history and use it to their advantage. e to broadcast your own politics in the neighboring territory. e for suggestion. and for us, including

our own narratives. this is unacceptable for us. uh, so naturally we take a pretty hard line against this. eh, as in historical politics, we bring the poles to polish government, despite all these relations. so to speak, the unfriendly are now ready to return to normal dialogue, but without preliminary claims based on respect for each other’s interests. why do we need more from our side, and it’s escalating for the poles today, in this sense, we see many examples. we can generally be good neighbors for each other, they don’t like to remember, but soviet times, but relations between the bssr yes , it was part of the soviet union and were no longer absolutely normal, we remove all context. warsaw, moscow, but the beys and the polish people's republic were absolutely good friends. ben was there culturally. uh, the most beautiful i remind you that the vitebsk bazaar grew out of the festival of polish songs, this is such an image for understanding what

is happening. we can be such friends. a normal process for us, moreover , would benefit more from this, but the politicization of this issue is an attempt to use historical myths to, uh, support modern politics, which is quite subjective, existing in the brains of polish politicians. here these phantoms about the past, the desire to create some kind of greater poland, plus elections are now underway and they are permanently taking place. naturally, and when problems arise, and now there are very big economic problems. there is a desire. this is due to such chauvinism using historical themes. uh, to gain the support of a certain part of the voters unconditionally. foreign forces take advantage of this. first of all, the united states of america, of course, the americans after the second world war consciously relied on anti-soviet anti-russian nationalism. and we see some elements of narrative. these policies are very similar in relation to belarus to ukraine to poland, even in the balkans they are broadcast by radio

free europe to the voices of america specials were created. institutes in munich in other regions among the polish diaspora , the same one that ended up in large numbers in great britain in west germany in the united states of america and this, too, this factor cannot be exaggerated, but it cannot be underestimated either, but we, for our part, are carrying out there cannot be a consistent line about compromises at the expense of our historical memory of our emotional interests, but we can come to an agreement , we can also turn some unpleasant pages, but the day of september 17 , national unity day - this is evidence, but for a very long time they did not give this state holiday, despite requests from the public, so as not to offend, but the polish state. this won't happen now. we will consistently defend our interests, including our vision of history, but this year, within the framework of dialogue. uh, on an equal basis, uh, to be friends with our

neighbors, our president said that neighbors. they do not choose from god, we understand this, i would like the polish side to understand this among ordinary poles, not everyone, but we see such an understanding a lot, if in the end there is real democracy, which is in poland. no, about which a lot of people say that if it triumphs, then sooner or later politicians will come to power who will force life to pursue such a line. viktorovich is called an act of historical justice, and museum exhibits can sometimes tell about this better than any words. we are now in the museum of the great patriotic war. it's here. it may be small, but nevertheless there is an exhibition dedicated to it. here, to those events, the reunification of belarus what those september days were like for those belarusians, someone literally found themselves on the other side of the border for two decades only when poland was left without theirs. the polish

leadership only when it became clear that the days of the polish army were numbered only when the german troops had already advanced close and were on the territory. uh, lvov brest, uh, were near grodno, only then did the soviet union make a decision on september 17th , at the beginning of the famous liberation campaign of the red army, the troops of the belarusian and ukrainian fronts were activated, uh, which received literally the night before this event instructions that they must come to the aid of the fraternal belarusian and ukrainian people suffering from, uh, polish occupation, uh, prevent occupation of belarusian and ukrainian lands from the germans and precisely under these slogans.

liberation of their brothers, belarusians. and ukrainians. e, the red army began military operations, and e in many places. uh, the red army met absolutely no resistance. people came out with flowers, and people came out with bread and salt, they greeted the red army troops as liberators, this was very typical for the majority. belarusian lands. no. yes , you can see how the council is moving here. the troops are just advancing into this territory, but when with all this, it should be noted that even the polish state itself and those remnants of the polish political military elite, they did not perceive the arrival of the soviet army as some kind of threat to the occupation; the same thing, by the way, it was not great britain or france that, defending poland, declared war germany absolutely did not

take any diplomatic action to accuse the soviet union of violations of any agreements, this once again confirms that from the point of view of international law. uh, soviet troops came to the aid of those left without higher education leadership of the belarusian ukrainian people, divided into parts thanks to the decisions of the riga peace of 1921, and no one in the world, then and for many years. after that i didn’t perceive it. it's like an act of aggression. ah, in the soviet union and in the lands that returned to the fold of their east slavic civilization in the belarusian, especially the lands of western belarus hmm most of the population perceived this precisely as an act of justice, therefore, you can see how the residents of western belarus peacefully and with smiles talking with red army soldiers. this

truly a historical fact. and of course. uh, when we consider any historical event, it always has different facets, different sides, like uh, for anyone, these are not even two sides of the same coin, and there is also an edge, but in fact, today we must stand on the positions of our people of our state for the belarusians, who, by the will of the riga peace treaty, following the results of the bloodiest soviet-polish war, following the results of the heavy. the belarusians found themselves abandoned by the political and military upheavals of the civil war and revolution. yes they turned out to be broken due to political circumstances. they became part of a group that was alien to them in terms of ethnicity and religion. and in general, in its entirety, statehood on the one hand. eh, it was, of course, a tragic moment, because the second world

war began, which would later bring a huge multi-million dollar destruction, which would distort the fates of millions of people, but on the other hand. it was a very bright moment for belarusians, because they were finally able to unite within one state. they were finally able to calmly speak your native language. they could easily profess the religion that was given by their ancestor and the ancestor of their ancestors and, uh , a significant part of society, just took the day of september 17 extremely positively , so, by the way, speaking, uh, that appeared then, and toponyms in cities, street names squares, september 17 were more widespread in western belarus and there was not even more memory of it than, for example, in the east there were vitebsk, mogilev gomel, and at that moment, well, 17

september. it was one of the holidays, then several years after the annexation, but uh, the local population perceived it. it’s simple, when it was for the residents of western belarus, it really was a real holiday, a real red day on the calendar, and it’s very good that today we are many years later, but we have returned to this historical truth. and for us today is september 17th, which will be for many years. he just kept quiet afterwards. and today it becomes a real day, and this is a very significant date, the day of this national belarusian unity day is truly a return to the family. yes, it is always the greatest joy to unite with your family. this is the greatest happiness for a person when you can return to your father’s house, when you can sit with your family there by

the fireplace at the festive table. yes, just hug, in addition to these historical facts, what in your opinion is necessary and important to talk about today. in the current realities, all belarusians from young to old. well, when we today, from the perspective of the modern day, look at belarus and what place it occupies in the world we see that, firstly, we managed to build a real state with true sovereignty. belarus managed to survive without creating any new fault lines or new divisions within itself; we do not have xenophobia. we have no hatred towards other people. we don't have any ethnic conflicts. we have no conflicts on religious grounds, although there are two large denominations, orthodoxy and catholicism. and a number of small ones exist in our country and everyone is given the opportunity to, uh,

profess their religion, pray, and there god, which you want, our current legislation, which in many ways appeals to the legislation in the ussr before the war period. and in languages, the fact that the belarusian russian language has equal rights is that the state today is pursuing a very strict policy to prevent any disputes. on this basis, two languages ​​have equal rights. no one can be forced to say only one thing. there shouldn't be any. to combat discrimination in the west , they now use such a concept as positive discrimination. there's creation some more favorable conditions for some peoples, nations and languages ​​of religions. and it is these traditions of unity, the absence of conflicts, that belarus must carry not only through the 21st century, but also the next twenty-second, this is

the very, main heritage that we are using today , using the date of september 17, as a certain reason. yes, it is precisely this heritage that we must preserve very carefully, because in the world we see, and all politics today is built on inciting endless conflicts and we are happy that we were able to save the world and we must pass it on to our later. alexey viktorovich, in your opinion, the unity of the nation is today an inoculation of internal shocks, after all , there have been attempts to divide the people and there will probably be more, but what does this entail today? this is the current reality, when we talk about a single nation. we have so many examples before our eyes. eh, when unity did not help and they managed to divide the nation, of course , first of all comes the new ukraine, where all possible fault lines were

used and bore fruit. unfortunately, there they were able to divide the people according to language, territoriality, nationality and religion. eh, they found a lot of opportunities there for people within the country to start hating each other. today technology actually works with mass consciousness with a society so masterly that even the strongest is monolithic. society can be divided if you find even a small crack, so as far as belarus is concerned, it is very important that in addition to this social unity, we understand and realize the importance existence, its own sovereign power of its own state system. the state system, the political elite must be interested in the existence of this country and must be interested in ensuring that this country exists in the best conditions.

by the way, this is an important point that separates the republic of belarus from a much better point of view than the political regimes around us, because here we, unfortunately, see some alien leaders. those are the americans there, uh, as presidents of lithuania latvian citizens of another country or uh, when we see how the conditional west is fighting all over the east in ukraine and there is a fight going on, our eastern or western president will lead the country and will continue to pull the blanket over himself. now, when in our country we have, firstly, the strong leadership of a strong political leader, who at the same time is aware of the need to preserve civil and military peace in our country and is doing their best. that’s when civil society will support the political power system government controlled. that’s it, then we can say that this is an important moment

in our modern component, but in the existence of belarusians and the belarusian state. well, i want tomorrow to sound sincerely happy holiday. but what do you want on this day? and what is it like for you today in the current realities in this regard? here is the same question number one. i want to wake up on this day and scroll through the news to see that nothing happened. nothing bad. return to this news only in the evening and see that the news feed is full. smiling people, celebrating people, everyone sending smiles and congratulations to each other and no other news. on this day, just not. this is probably my greatest desire. for me , national unity day is historical justice then in 1939 now that we returned this holiday, gave it official status and of course.