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information and analytical project current microphone on air on belarusian radio and television with you presenter andrei sych, as well as our guests, alexander markevich, member of the political council of the republican party of justice labor and member of parliament, and anton lisnevsky, deputy chairman of the ldpb and entrepreneur. hello, this week turned out to be quite eventful with all sorts of events from nagorno-karabakh to the un general assembly, all sorts of polish-ukrainian events, these... we are just going to discuss now, the grain of discord in polish-ukrainian relations has begun to sprout, in fact , we are currently observing the events that are unfolding at the general assembly of the un, where a meeting between the president of poland and the president of ukraine was supposed to take place, but it was canceled at the last moment, as far as i understand, even conditionally on the fly, that the two leaders, who just recently hugged in

the verkhovna rada, swore friendship and signed all sorts of documents, decided not to even make eye contact. anton, what is it connected with? what is the reason, there are parliamentary elections in poland in october, so the polish government is obliged to listen , sooner or later, to the aspirations of its people, to the protests of farmers and tractors that are quietly entering warsaw, naturally, because after all, well, not to say, but the polish economy, the entire european economy rural that is, very problematic issues arise in the economy, people take to the streets because of this, people go bankrupt , people become poor and beggars, well, that is , hatred is sold not only for the republic of belarus, but for the country, by and large, we

are watching with interest, let’s say, the price of poland’s friendship with its neighbors, which always has such a tendency to end as soon as some national interests of poland are stepped on, from some point of view this is bad, but on the other hand, warsaw adheres to its national interests, we have no right to judge them for this, but we draw certain conclusions, in fact, from these events, in my opinion, we should not only observe what is happening on the territory of poland, how these events are built, but also draw conclusions for own economy, for own international relations. in your opinion, in fact, why are events unfolding in poland like this, why has hatred become such election propaganda material for

the ruling party in poland, if we take polish history at any moment, then, in principle , polish politics has always been based on hatred, and today’s poland is no exception. like russia, belarus, it no longer works, because everyone sees that the problems of poland are that the influx of refugees from ukraine, who by and large , not everyone wants to work, they want to live on benefits, they see what kind of life they lead , in general, for the polish man in the street, ukraine is already about this one moment, the second moment there is a strategic struggle between the polish leadership and the ukrainian one for western resources, because well, in fact, the west already understands

that ukraine, it is becoming obsolete, precisely as the grain of such pressure from the weakening of russia, so the bet is on poland, and poland wants to pull the blanket over itself so that those resources that are in poland and economic are correct it is said that the economic conditions in poland are such that there was a decline in gdp over the last quarter, they want to use this decline to their advantage, because the election agenda, it determines internal policy, the average person in poland, he dissatisfied with the way western assistance is provided to ukraine. and so the leadership of poland chose the fact that now they have such tactical actions that they need

to move the needle to ukraine before october 15, in order to win the elections, the labor and justice party will be very convincing there. to win, that means they will do it themselves... no, that means they will look for some kind of coalition, so the internal agenda also determines the level of relations , including with ukraine. so you touched on the topic of ukrainian migrants and just in the morning i read the news that until the end of the year only these payments, preferences, and so on will be in effect, and from the beginning of the twenty -fourth they will be removed, how will this affect the situation, will ukrainians return to their homeland, after that, they may begin to work in the territory poland or... move deeper into the european part? well, this situation will be very interesting, as they say, let’s stock up on popcorn and see what happens next. ukrainians, many of the ukrainians who wanted to work, they work,

they have long been legalized, they received some documents, they opened some of their own companies, perhaps, or are employed, here is the one who did not want to work for ukraine, he definitely will not return, because well, right away. he will be sent to the front line and this is another cannon fodder, everyone in ukraine realizes this, and that is, we all see the media in telegram channels, what is happening in ukraine, how citizens are caught and what happens to them then, the losses are enormous in ukraine, that is, the united states made her project, that is, precisely the murder of the slavs, that is, it’s just very it’s scary, and we’ll probably only realize this after some time, when really ... all the real losses will be counted, so most likely, most likely, the ukrainians will move on, because not all countries have announced the extradition of conscript citizens to ukraine

age, if you remember how ukraine sent its requests, the same austria refuses, the same czech republic refuses, that is, most likely , either they will move on, or happy days await the poles, well, in general, there is a fairly large flow of information in western, european, even polish press, that with the advent of ukrainian migrants the crime rate in the country has increased, and it is not clear what this is connected with... either it’s really that things are so bad, or it’s just that way, the polish the ruling elite is trying to form a certain attitude towards ukrainians, so that in the future, maybe they can either be deported to the territory of ukraine or justify some other actions, alexander ivanovich, what do you think about this? i think that of course in ukraine, not the best people left from there either, this is practically the entire crime, they left, because whoever, who is not

at the very top of this criminality, the average criminal left, and people who are not used to earning money with their labor, they naturally will not work, but we are used to engaging in racketeering, and we, if we take, let’s say the same czech republic, there , slovakia, the nineties showed that the ukrainian racketeering was actively working, and they have positions there, including in poland, all cross-border trade, it was there. .. criminalized, so it is natural that the middle level of the ukrainian criminals left, this is one thing, another point is that even respectable citizens, if they do not have the standard of living to which they are accustomed in poland, and the benefit is only to get by, this you can’t postpone anything , you have to rent a house, you have to bear other costs, so some of the respectable citizens too... have taken the path of petty fraud, petty crime, so this is

all objectively understandable. well, we are just observing that in those same news, if some cases of detention of migrant carriers on the territory of poland, germany and so on are mentioned, then as a rule, these people, who are among the organizers of this chain of supply of illegal migrants to european territory, turn out to be citizens of ukraine, at the moment the situation is aggravated by the fact including possible access to small arms, which are returned through the ukrainian border back to the territory of europe, in fact, from where they were supplied, and this also arises and causes great concern for the authorities on territory in general throughout europe, at the level of the european union, today, this issue is being discussed, as for migrants, it’s interesting, because what turned out to be... that the ruling elite, the ruling party in poland was

involved in the implementation of labor visas in the territories of other states in asia and africa, for these citizens who, to one degree or another, entered the territory of poland, here is the very statement of donald tusk that it is peace who is the supplier of illegal migrants to the territory of poland, as far as anton corresponds are they actually observers of the situation? so do you remember what happened? we have, how many different companies, different visa centers, where you just came with your passport, and they made any documents for you, and do you really think that without communication with the consular service, this could happen, how many, i’m addressing the listeners, here probably everyone, well, at least the fourth , that is, he had either a lithuanian or a polish visa, each of us traveled to bialystok and lived, that is, now

you can chase dogs around the yards there, but before bialystok lived counting us sounds like a quote about chasing dogs around the yards, and we see publications by various bloggers in the baltic states in poland, which are walking along some previously busy streets, where a huge number of shops, shopping centers operated, these are either already empty streets, there really, the packages are flying like this, or these are... already closed stores that could not withstand the competition, there are, strictly speaking, no resources, there are not only belarusians here, but there is a special attitude towards russian citizens, he said their role, that is, a huge number of buyers disappeared from the territory of these states due to the fault of the ruling regimes, and in fact, business people understand why this happened , they are asking legitimate questions from their government and in this... the ratings of the ruling class are falling quite significantly and how

they are trying to get out of this situation today, well enough, you can watch with humor, because everyone understands everything perfectly well on the territory of these states, it is especially interesting to watch how people from these countries come to belarus and talk about how life is now on the territory of their homeland, many thank the republic of belarus, it is important that... this issue is treated quite from a patriotic point of view and belarus is considered , perhaps somewhere not even as permanent place of residence with the hope that the situation in their countries will change. they will be able to return to their homeland and continue to live with dignity, and not the way circumstances are at the moment, in fact, this is economic situation, the way the ruling regimes build this foreign policy concept is reflected in

the republic of belarus, just yesterday one of the baltic countries closed the border crossing, that is, we currently have only one left, alexander ivanovich, what is the reason for this policy and how will it affect the citizens of belarus and the baltic states? if we take and analyze recently how many checkpoints have been closed, then we see that this policy has been agreed upon, it is not that latvia made a decision there, before that lithuania closed checkpoints, before this poland, that is, there is a deliberate situation such that an iron curtain is being built, including in relationships and in the implementation of border crossing policies, but what i would like to draw attention to is that, uh, the checkpoint, silina urbana was closed, but this checkpoint, well, in fact, daugavpils and braslav are the shortest routes, well , in fact, riga-minsk is the shortest

distance, but it is really aimed at creating obstacles for the movement of ordinary people, because if we... take paterniyaki grigorovshchina, it is still more of a checkpoint where freight vehicles cross the border, it remains, that is , it is clear, for trucks, opportunities remain, and the leverage there is more profitable for ports, for belarus, uh, a union state, in the post-soviet space , this is why conditions are artificially created, and we see what for... this is done in order to ensure contacts between people, to minimize them as much as possible, to create difficulties, in order to ensure that the same latvians, poles, and lithuanians are not could come to see what is going on here, in the republic of belarus, so that they can see that we are developing normally, we are not

afraid of sanctions, our economy is working, we, all our fields have already been harvested, even azi, have sprouted in many places, that is, everything is normal, and we are developing normally, despite the titanic efforts on their part, which their propaganda firstly shows, and secondly, that they do not give any effect, therefore the purposeful policy of the european union is being implemented, is being implemented in order to to minimize these contacts, build an iron curtain, including at checkpoints, the addition was told to a colleague, our visa-free regime... accepted by the president, that is, extended, that is, it was not like a bone in the throat all the time, because it shook them propaganda, smashed, that is, it undermined their situation from the inside, although they have always dreamed and still dream of shaking our situation, everything is absolutely the opposite, that is , the closure of border crossings looks at

the moment like such a non-public request to official minsk to cancel visa-free travel for your own citizens? they turned out to be hostages of their decisions, so they need to put pressure on belarus, there on russia, well specifically on belarus, and they have already realized all their possibilities, sanctions that have not already been withdrawn, a whole bunch of packages have been introduced there, what else is left ? well , nothing, this is the tactics of a minor foul, if you can call it that, as applied to sports, this is how they operate in this politics. between nations, they no longer know what to accept, although they themselves cut the branch on which they sit, because the same people who small income, in the same lithuanian, latvian, polish borderlands, they also came there, a year ago, and bought firewood, briquettes, and here i am in my constituency,

vornovsky, ivyevsky and ashmyany districts , just on the border, all around the devinishi ledge, the greatest demand was for corn shelves, so... our cheap product, which people could remember somewhere in their childhood and well , certain delicacies there really cost pennies, so that’s why they show their worthlessness, and make life difficult for people, in fact, a plus cross-border business, it was all tied up at the border, which on our part is a very large share, and they had no other work, simply absolutely none, and if we take it now... the closure of the urbana siili crossing to dagov pils dagovpils to 96% is a russian city, russian, i personally have been there several times and was once pleasantly surprised, so you said that i was an entrepreneur registered at the railway customs, well, not because it happened there, it’s 24/7, it just

went away, and i was so nice to hear i i’m standing on the street, i hear the dispatcher sorting the cars in purely russian, that is, that’s all , so it’s interesting that many people have a large number of relatives in the border area, both living and well, graves, in fact, relatives are located. it was always unhindered for people, in your opinion, that’s just anton, can this cause some kind of social protests if that same iron curtain is finally erected, theoretically yes, but practically, no one will allow this to be realized, no one yes, i’ll even explain, well, this is my personal thought, they may resort to terror against their own population, because they came to us, if you remember, maybe in the news representatives of lithuanian society, that is, just lithuanians who

love belarus, who want to be friends with us, that is, ordinary citizens , that is, they may have headed some small public associations, that is, friendship between belarus and lithuania in their towns, here is one of the representatives, not even just one, there was a delegate there in general at our patriotic congress held by liberals. party and upon their return, terror measures were taken against them, i observed the situation, in my opinion they even opened cases against these people, but then i missed the moment, did they end up imprisoning anyone, yes, that is, so yes, yes , that is, i can’t say for sure now, but for some reason measures were taken, that is , detention, they were convicted, that is, the person received real prison terms. there will be no one to protest, because in reality

there are 120,000 people there, yes, but in reality they they themselves cannot say 70 or 80, because active people, young people have left for england, germany, ireland, they work, but there are elderly people left who, well, receive pensions, who live on pennies, who have their own farms, they just their mentality is such that they won’t go to protest, so it’s unlikely that such... there will be protests in the lithuanian border area, let’s also take the vilnius area, there is also a belarusian polish-speaking population who speak surzhik, like we have veska, the same thing with our mentality, soviet, one might say, at the moment, the un general assembly is taking place, in your opinion, to what extent is it an authoritative institution of international politics today. because many today are quite critical of the un as a structure that is not capable of solving quite acute

international problems that are currently flaring up almost all over the world. well, over the past 15 years, what pressing issues have been resolved by the un, none, hunger has been defeated, where? they are ironic, yes i understand, perfectly, nowhere. the un has long discredited itself, all because it followed the lead of the americans. that is, now in the un the americans are in charge of everything, so, but the un, the very thought and architecture of the un, and it was built after the second world war, that is, the idea was wonderful, and it worked, that is, to the fullest at its very beginning , that is, the whole collapse of the un began , in my opinion, around 20. money rules everything, but the republic

of belarus in any case, that is, it will participate in the un, of course, as co-founders, i think, with great interest we are observing this structure, unfortunately, we are forced to note the gradual degradation, we are making every effort, we do not find support at a level high enough for this situation to be corrected, just one of these topics is the situation with nagorno-karabakh, which in recent days in has worsened once again, alexander ivanovich, what is the reason for the situation, and how events will develop further, the situation is also objective, and here, probably, the position is clear that armenia by her actions she pushed for such a development of events, because there were certain agreements, russian

peacekeepers were there and there was a fragile one, but... some kind was found so that there would be no active hostilities. armenia disavowed this agreement and relied on the united states of america, hoping that it would resolve this situation. unfortunately , this shows that no, but for the americans, what is beneficial is the more russia is weakened, so they use this situation, the arrows turn that russia could not solve question, although, by their actions they themselves pushed to such a situation, because in fact they convinced armenia to refuse military support, primarily artsakh, and we see that silence in yerevan is happening, unfortunately, that these people were actually abandoned to the mercy of fate , and azerbaijan naturally realizes its national interests, because we all understand

that the agreements within the csto do not apply on the territory of artsakh, so the situation, the result, it has been brewing for a long time, now it has received this, namely resolution in the form of armed clashes, what do you think about this, including taking into account the attempt to change power , which took place in the last 24 hours, these protests under the government house, calls for resignations and so on, i think nothing will happen, i literally a week ago i was talking with my friends from armenia, well , naturally the topic came up about this, they complained very much that russia does not support us, here we are, poor, unfortunate, karabakh has been abandoned, they even touched upon, went into history, touched upon the topic that there is one village in karabakh , where the largest number of marshals, in my opinion, of the soviet

union, that is, yes there, that is, well, sort of yes, i ask the question, why did they choose pashiyan again? well, you recently had elections, and the elections took place in such conditions when you lost the war, but you still chose pashiyan, well, i say, first of all, you decide for yourself what you want, you want to live in safety, in peace, if go back even deeper into history, after all, armenia itself came to the russian empire, but no one dragged it in by force, because if it had not come, then armenia would have long ago ceased to exist as the entire armenian people, that is , no one has canceled the armenian genocide, so again you yourself are stepping on the same rake, so that the situation is only at the very beginning of its path, and what will happen there is a very big question, the americans will all the more escalate the situation in order to divert part of the russian forces to armenia and ukraine, it’s very interesting,

in fact, everything is developing, again due to this that first the population is taken to the streets, i won’t say that the people themselves are coming out, because photographs of pashinyan with mr. soros appear quite often lately, everyone understands very well where they can grow from, in fact, they are listening to all these circumstances, but the people who are being brought out, they first come out with posters , away with russia from armenia and so on, just when acute situations break out, just people... are already coming out with placards, russia abandoned us, why aren’t you helping us and so on, what ’s happening alexander ivanovich, why are these incomprehensible double standards, because it is very beneficial for someone in armenia to fuel these very anti-russian sentiments in the first place, and there are men of such a normal

military age who can take the same thing into their hands. to defend armenia, among other things, but they carry out actions, actions, protests take place near the walls of the russian embassy, ​​at some organizations associated with russia, so this is inspired from the outside, unfortunately, we see that armenia is gradually sliding into bed anti-russian actions, unfortunately, this, well, she must... her national interests, that except russia, no one will help her, here is also an interesting point, just the american-armenian exercises that took place on armenian land, because many caused quite strong suspicion, these are these actions of official armenia, because, for example, they refused the cst exercises

, here too there are the same double standards, and regarding ... the americans, on the one hand they are conducting exercises with armenia, on the other on the other hand, american diplomats come to azerbaijan, establish some of their own , try to at least establish their own... games in this disputed territory, i wonder what this is connected with, america supports someone specific side, or is that all... is this an attempt to push armenia against azerbaijan and start a war? america only supports its own side, its main task is to destabilize the situation around the russian federation, that is, we would have them, if our people and the president had not survived, then... we would have here everything is the same as in ukraine, and maybe even worse, or what can happen now in armenia, of course, that is, they conduct exercises, show how good we are, how friendly we are, how we love you and how

ready we are with to be friends with you, at the same time, as you said, they are going to azerbaijan, they probably say about the same thing there, but the action itself is a self-action, it’s just to kindle a new one. the more such conflicts there are in europe, and especially near russia, the better for the usa, beneficiary of all this, this is the usa, again, let's go back to history, the great patriotic war, the second world war, who earned the most from this war, the usa? so we just started discussing the topic. iron curtain on the belarusian border, and the belarusian border is, among other things, the russian federation’s entry into european markets into premium markets, and before this, a large-scale

infrastructure project, north-south logistics, was very actively discussed, it is precisely this that allows building a transport route from russian territory , belarus here is quite a large logistics hub and we have been in iran many times... that we actually have an interest in implementing a joint project, this route passes through certain disputed territories, there should be a way out through iran, isn’t this attempt to nagorno-karabakh, doesn’t it fit into the concept of this iron curtain to close the exit of belarusian and russian goods, including through this transport route? i think that this is not the main reason for the outbreak of the conflict, but it is also is taken into account because the united states, they are also interested in weakening iran

, they are actively opposing them, and there are iranian interests, first of all, and as soon as there were some opportunities to resolve this conflict, this is when there were agreements, this latin corridor appeared, then we took note... those actions began to be developed that are now being implemented in the form of an open conflict, but there is always a backup path, we see that georgia now takes a relatively healthy position, so there is a path azerbaijan, georgia, then the russian federation, so there are always other possibilities, water will come to itself, and water will find a way out, because economics determines politics. therefore, there are possible options, and i think that this is not the main reason for what is now happening in transcaucasia, but one of them is anton vladimirovich, what do you think about this ?

well, i think the americans, well, you can give them their due, that is, as long as they have the opportunity, they know how to play the long game, that is, that is why, in my opinion, that is, armenia is not the last point, that is naturally, well, what kind of... an investor will invest money in a territory where his investments can simply disappear through military action, that is, this is one moment, the second moment, that is, that this is still, i repeat once again, this is destabilization, and georgia, although it really is now, i was very surprised, but it has pursued a sound policy, namely defending georgian interests. that is, in these issues with ukraine, but perhaps georgia may also blaze next time, that is, americans still have a fairly strong position there, that is, america needs a weak europe, a closed

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