i’ll start today’s program with a quote from russian emperor alexander ii. the state is a reasonable lack of freedom, which the poles will never put up with. if i were to predict what people would do in the next century, next to the word poland, i would write: “revolting.” and having survived several assassination attempts by polish revolutionaries, the tsar turned out to be right. poland is still rebelling externally and internally. but if we have already talked about warsaw’s foreign policy ambitions in several. programs, then we’ll talk about the internal kitchen for the first time, but first we will tell you about the main events of world politics this week right now. a brief escalation of the conflict in nagorno-karabakh ended in victory for azerbaijan, with baku regaining full sovereignty over the armenian-populated mountainous province for the first time since 1988. this was the result of the fact that the leadership of armenia, led by nikol pashinyan , voluntarily said goodbye to karabakh. in such conditions, the russian peacekeeper can

only ensure the protection of the peaceful armenian population of the region. settlement of the old the karabakh conflict radically changes the situation in the southern caucasus and makes it possible to open many new transport corridors between asia and europe. a scandal erupts in relations between india and canada due to the murder of the leader of the sig separatists , who lived in exile. indian authorities are expelling a senior canadian diplomat. in response to the announcement of nongrath's persona by an employee of the indian embassy, ​​who headed the indian foreign intelligence station in canada. ottawa claims an indian trace in the elimination of the leader of the sikhs, who advocated the secession of punjab state from india, denying the accusations, delly also curtailed negotiations on signing a trade agreement with canada. it is significant that other western countries refrain from commenting, which speaks of india’s weight in the modern world and the desire of the west to win over.

her to her side. the regimes in kiev and warsaw, considered the most reliable allies in the confrontation with russia , loudly broke pots within just a few days. the polish government's decision to ban ukrainian grain in order to protect its farmers led first to a complaint from kiev to the world trade organization, and then to exchanges of loud critical statements between vladimir zelsky and polish prime minister mateusz moravet. this whole situation has shown that, apart from russophobia elevated to the rank of state policy, there is very little that unites ukraine and poland. and i can’t help but comment on my extravagant jacket today, why it was chosen, because red, i suspect you guessed it, is a reference to one of the colors of the flag poland, but for many of my colleagues it evokes associations with the uniform of the american military, to what conclusion we come, we write poland: usa

in mind: on october 15, the next parliamentary elections will be held in poland, the main competitors for deputy seats in the sejm of the lower house of parliament will be the ruling conservative -nationalist party of law and justice of jaroslaw kaczynski , a political association, civil coalition of ex-prime minister donald tusk. and of course, i am pleased to introduce today’s discussion participants, andrey vladimirovich savinykh, chairman of the standing committee on international affairs of the chamber, representatives of the national... andrey viktorov, doctor of political sciences, professor of lomanosov moscow state university, member of the scientific council of the security council of the russian federation. good afternoon. i am glad to welcome you, of course, according to tradition, we begin our discussion with a question: what do you think, andrei vladimirovich, is a change of power in poland likely based on the election results? well, absolutely not. the thing is that, well, let's say, there are two main ones. none of the political parties

will be able to immediately gain a majority of votes, the piss are given 33%, they would need to gain at least 231 seats in parliament, but more than 200, none of the analysts predicts , this means a blanket that unites an insane number of small parties, parties, supologists, and so on further, ask me what their political position is, i won’t answer , probably no one will be able to give a clear answer, so anything is possible, but an amazing thing, for the first time in history. none of

the small opposition parties are announcing such elections about your readiness to create a coalition in advance ? well, that’s exactly what’s not, you know, what’s the matter, the whole political campaign, the election campaign, it’s happening very dirty, so uncivilized, so generally without respect for decency, boorishly, that frankly, it’s even surprising, then there is an impression that literally all political forces in poland understand that the political establishment is in crisis, if it is in crisis, then issues of development and strengthening of statehood are not on the agenda, all political parties are simply trying to stay in power, to stay afloat, but this is a serious loss of strategic initiative, and frankly, i can’t imagine how they will build

this strategy for the country’s development, why, because the short-term vision is profound for any state , polish as well, thank you, andrey vladimirovich, of course i want it. electoral race , the rzeczpospolita newspaper published the results of a sociological survey, which were disappointing for the current authorities republics, here’s andrei viktorovich, let’s comment on these results, that’s what you think, they upset the ruling party today, but the key players, duda, morowiec, and kaczynski, colleagues, you see on the screen, but of course it doesn’t look very good optimistic, but on the one hand, on the other hand, this is a typical picture for the ruling couples for almost any ruling party, because those in power make mistakes, and these mistakes are now being used to discredit them and compromise them in the elections, then yes, in principle, this is normal, but another thing is that - well, in general, the rating of all

political forces in poland is not very high, although the confederation has recently risen in the rating, what does this mean , that really... .right parties that advocate, well, for example , an alternative for germany for absolutely friendly relations with the same russian federation, just like in poland, there are people who do not agree with the course that, you do not agree with me, i have great doubts about this, because by and large, if we take russia and belarus, then no matter who wins the elections, the ruling party will take a stable anti-russian, anti- belarusian position, and here there is no need to feed any - poland is completely controlled by an external center of influence, they essentially have a conflict only in one area, they really sincerely would like to preserve traditional polish values, we are talking about

justice, no, by and large, 90% of these political parties, they would like to preserve this traditional one. lifestyle, based on some catholic traditions, based on a traditional family, community, national state, generally understandable, good human values, but the problem is that poland turned out to be, to use such a figurative expression, in an airplane that flies perfectly in the other direction, unfortunately, andrei vladivich, with your permission, let's talk with a polish expert, political, mateushsky has connections with us. hello mateusz, please tell me what moods prevail in society today, and perhaps you will say, who would you vote for, uh, hello, well, the choice is very difficult, or rather, i would say that there really are no

significant differences, i mean in terms of foreign policy, in terms of some foreign policy strategies, between the main political forces. more, at least by those who are now at the parliamentary level, which is represented in the current parliament and who now intend to participate in the next elections, there are no significant differences, although of course there are certain nuances, but in short, we can to say that the main opposition force, the so-called civil coalition, previously leading force in this coalition... tuska , in terms of foreign policy, she is rather closer to berlin and brussels, while the ruling party of law and justice is closer to

the anglos, to london and washington, so in terms of foreign policy, if we take into account that after some time, i am sure that after all the continental..." europe will wake up and will one way or another change its attitude towards russia and towards belarus in that the number of the union state of russia and belarus is more. let's say, maybe a less dangerous option is now for this liberal political force to come to power, which is close to berlin, and which at least will not aggravate the path of aggravation of relations, well, first of all, with russia, there is a third political force , this is a force that some define as... this is

a confederation party, in the ranks of this particular party there are several, i’m not talking about all the politicians of this particular party, but there are several individual politicians, including current deputies, for example, grzesz braun, janusz korwin micke, who express a completely different point of view on issues related to the foreign, in particular the eastern policy of poland, so tell me this, let me respond to one of yours remark, you said that today, after all, a political force with liberal views , values, it is less dangerous, since we do not observe such, you know, rather aggressive, rhetoric in relation to the same republic of belarus, but you understand that this is the rub, today’s party is the ruling one, but... we see very often in the media morovetsky, duda, and people, frankly speaking, in my opinion, are such

useful idiots, well to be honest, recently they managed to quarrel with ukraine, with germany, tusk is a ticking time bomb, and although poland is today, it is a stronghold of traditional values, like belarus, like russia, like ukraine, once was , but look at the experiment being carried out today, aren’t you afraid? tusk's political forces? you know, in fact, unfortunately, poland is not a subject of international relations in europe, in eurasia it is not an independent subject, so the question of who the next ruling party in poland will depend on is strategically important for us, because it is this vector, how much will they depend on berlin, brussels, how much will they depend on washington and london. is of strategic importance, from the point of view of polish-belarusian

relations, which you probably most likely, but most of all are interested in, yes, i let me remind you that in 2016, immediately after the law and justice party came to power, remember, the then speaker of the polish senate, stanislav korchevsky, came to you in minsk, he even met with the president of belarus, there was some short period when - the current the ruling party right and justice tried to establish normal good neighborly relations with minsk, all this ended instantly, there, let me remind you, then in the twentieth year the same ruling party tried to somehow interfere in internal affairs belarus, but nevertheless, this was due to the fact that each of these political forces has moments like... these are moments when the level of this dependence on external factors decreases, then they try to pursue

a more or less independent policy, regarding tusk and conservative values, so i want to emphasize that donald tusk is a very, well, i would say, pragmatic politician, yes, so there are no revolutions here in terms of values, some kind of... i don’t know, a turning point in this regard, in value plan, there will be no value policy, perhaps even it’s too naive to perceive this way, thank you very much, mateuszki was with us, a polish political analyst, andrei viktorovich , please tell me whether you agree with what you heard, well, yes and no, because the polish expert described this situation quite accurately for a leading polish analyst.

but in general, we see that the process is quite chaotic, not just because the forces are equal, approximately, as sociology shows, but also because none of these forces can obtain a clear advantage through legal means, that is, they don't offer anything new, that is, they are competing with approximately the same platforms, with the same programs, both of them are very well known to polish voters, and they have made mistakes, including stupid ones, in this regard, so that they don’t try now, no matter how they they didn’t try to disguise themselves as defenders of traditional values, or non-traditional ones. in fact, the voter knows their real value, in this regard , one of them can break ahead solely due to some kind of hype or explosive pr, if this happens, there is still other methods, yes there are other methods, but in this wonderful diagram , what scares me most is the third way, when our

ombudsman, defender of businessmen... decided to create the party of growth, the question arose about what ideology would be taken as a basis , and uh, at the very first briefing dedicated to the ideology of the future party, titov said, we are not with the right and not with the left, we will take a different path, our path is the third path, our ideology is the ideology of the third path, which means a journalist, who at that moment was his adviser, but this is not with him they agreed, when he saw his hair... his hair turned cold and on the same day he brought titov a book, the third way was written there. the author of this book was musalini. extremely interesting information, yes. i would like to literally draw your attention to several points that the polish guest expressed to you. he said that, by and large, poland had given up the sovereign right to determine its

policies. by and large, no matter which party wins, well, yes. when deciding on the political course of this country , brussels will most likely make the united states the states of america and great britain, this is the main thing and the first, by and large, all these parties found themselves in a strategic impasse, because their voters, the population of poland, would like traditional values, would like a peaceful direction, would like interaction with their neighbors, and their centers of power... .are pushing towards a completely different policy, in which case the masses have the right to express their desires, do you think some kind of revolutionary processes are possible in poland, no, you know, what other situation, that’s where it comes from, that’s it a constant thesis about a threat from russia, where the thesis

about the need to militarize polish society comes from, the population is literally intimidated, by and large... that they believe in these theses, they are brainwashed, so when they make their political choice, they will not choose between the ideal and the real, they will choose between real parties, which do not suit them more or less, it will be a choice between bad and even worse, as a result we will get the final result, political, but this will not cancel the any in this situation, i have already given the metaphor of an airplane, and tusk and all the other politicians, they are just passengers there, at best , let's continue with the metaphor, i will say that serdesa delivers drinks, she is from brussels, and at the wheel of the plane is a pilot from the united states america, this will probably be a complete picture, a german politician, and he decided

to run for the next elections to the european parliament, and the question naturally arises, well, how did you get me... germany in brussels, so you see, these are the moods that prevail, let's talk about certain such political machinations, it is worth telling the audience about this, here is the unofficial leader of the coalition of right-wing political parties , the united right, jaroslaw kaczynski, back in november 2022, announced the creation of an election protection corps, so... it includes 70,000 supporters, and this corps will monitor election procedures to identify facts of violation of electoral legislation by competitors, and so - said kaczynski, but it is possible that in the event of a failure in the elections, the corps will used to fabricate these very facts of violation of electoral legislation and, naturally, compromising information about the entire

electoral campaign, please tell me, andrei viktorovich, do you have any certain analogies with the last elections in the states, there was also quite a lot of falsification there, you know, even if in america, this is what happens with the electoral system, well, that means everyone else can, yes, but the americans have been working towards this for a very long time, so that the violations that are now observed in election campaigns in america have finally acquired a mass character there, as for the poles, this method of theirs with the corps is a very clever technique of manipulation... although not new, it means what they essentially decided to do? they - realized that, uh, a very large force, ah, speaking from society - these are observers, the observers will be different, if they independently appear somewhere and are picked up there by some other smaller parties, that's what

they accordingly they can peek behind violations not only among opponents, but among themselves, and this is not very good, so creating a corps of all these potential observers means gathering people who are active and aggressively minded passionarians. in this building, organize, well, at the same time train how to identify those things that need to be identified there, to create an organized force out of them, all passionaries, that is , people who are generally not indifferent to how the elections will be held and those who prepare your time to watch, they will flock to this building, and everyone will be under control of one single political force, and most importantly, these seem to be observers, it was also said there, yes , that is, these are not party supporters, in which case they can of course declare their protest and it will be a protest from the depths of society, that very deep

people, this is a technique and - the poles are not the first to use this technique, but it appeared relatively recently, well, it is important to emphasize that the opposition, in turn, responded to this action to guard the elections, in which more than 50,000 people are already involved , here on guard elections. will do the same thing as the corps, keep an eye on its competitors, and if necessary, also fabricate stuff , they won’t watch the end of the elections, well , in fact, andreyvich, what do you think, well , you know, here’s a very interesting point, business the whole point is that the poles have already gone their way, the 2014 local elections , morowiecki said, he personally spoke publicly , that there were huge falsifications, so in principle, let’s say, distrust in elections is already becoming a traditional approach in almost all western democracies, including poland.

the second point, which is surprising, which no one, well, maybe calculates, and maybe , by the way, they consciously lead to this, because any political party requires serious funding, this serious funding comes far from ordinary people, not from voters, but how rule from transnational corporations, or large national... corporations, it turns out that the creation of such corps, in fact, on the one hand, makes it possible to solve tactical tasks, but strategically drive parties into debt, which will then dictate the political course of this party, this happens everywhere, it has already reached its limit in the united states of america and now this trend is gaining strength directly in poland, this is a very important point that i wanted i would like to emphasize, but again, all this is being done against the backdrop of total distrust of all political forces towards each other, this is a very serious political crisis. i am glad to welcome you to

our studio, member of the nineteenth bundestag, german entrepreneur, waldemar gert, waldemar, hello, yes, good afternoon, good , i think you, like many people involved in political processes, are following the progress of the election campaign, here i am... a game, because some of today's steps of the same ruling parties, but peace, they really at some point became absolutely populist, this is how you can separate the wheat from the chaff, even in relations with ukraine, do you think this is their personal desire to quarrel with ukraine, to impose an embargo on the ukrainian? grain, or this playing along, for a short period of time, until october 15 there will be such a line, and then, well, as the senior comrade will say , a clean political game, a dirty

political game, in general politics is a dirty business, from the point of view of morality, from the point of view of all other things, honest, sincere , great politicians, they have sunk into the past, since, de gaulle, these are those who dreamed of european prosperity. those who were not engaged in enriching themselves, but the main thing a politician should be concerned with is the welfare of his people, unfortunately, now it has become a business for everyone, and this business model that came from overseas has taken over almost the entire political life, the elite, like the german one, well, germany is a little different, germany is treated differently, it is treated like a colony, how...approaches and methods are assigned there, put in place, well, if the german chancellor, before the inauguration, has to fly to the united

states for...bow ching khan, in my opinion, or the mongols, they used to do this with russian princes, nothing new in this no, that’s why they play with politics differently here, but poland, well, it is still definitely an independent country, with great ambitions that the same americans have now sowed, now everything will be used, all levers to ensure that voters are elected, and the day: after the elections it will be completely different, as you already said , now we need to catch the voters, electoral discontent, the discontent of the peasants, the baurs, the cheap grain that is breaking, the economy and so on, now work will be done for the voter, of course, i want to talk about germany, because it is such a tragic story,

today, how easily the state gave up primacy, handed it over to poland, today it is not the one who shouts loudly who is not necessarily the leader, that is, understand correctly, i completely agree with my interlocutor that germany has now begun to be destroyed, both as an industrial power and as a real european economic leader. this is happening for slightly different reasons, the fact is that this hierarchical world, when there is a core and there is a periphery, now that china, russia, india, brazil are trying to get out of global financial system, it turns out that germany, well, in fact, continental europe, is being appointed to the role of the periphery, this is a very serious political transformation,

to be honest, i don’t know whether it can be stopped, against this background, relatively speaking, the assemblage point, if and will happen, then this will most likely be in several countries of old europe, here i would rather name germany, austria, northern italy, poland - this is rather a really ambitious, loud player who, having no resources, acts on the lead of completely different centers of power, globally . centers of power, and this is not even the usa, these are supranational structures that do not have a national registration, this is global financial capital, by and large, the future of poland as a national state does not interest them at all, they will sacrifice this country, then, as they say , the ashes will be scattered to the wind, this is a real threat, and if polish politicians do not realize it... then

i don’t think that the future of poland will be prosperous, here is andrei viktorich, please tell me, you are a brilliant expert in information, hybrid wars, were do you have you have some of your notes regarding the political activity that is going on in poland today, it all resembles a fuss, spiders, because no matter who comes to power, no matter how they frolic, no matter how they are now... not - loudly declared themselves, it is clear that they are very much frightened and it is clear where the true strings stretch, which, as soon as someone comes to power, in general , to decide who will be the head of state and who will be the ruling party, they will immediately receive their instructions and so it was all the time, in this in relation, poland is of course behaving very actively and very aggressively, and we constantly see information events there and the reasons

they create. scandalous in nature, but at the same time they are very scared. at one time, before crimea voluntarily became part of the russian federation, we flew to poland quite often , and the last such delegation was, i headed it, just in the fourteenth year immediately after the entry of crimea, that is, there was a very interesting cross-section of that , how polish politicians perceived this event, which shocked them, like this before crimea, the most common question that interested them, they were most interested in everything... they were interested in what kind of relations between russia and germany, how close russia and germany would become, because they, this clearly frightened them, so - i was once asked a frank question, uh, that means, what will happen if russia and germany come to an agreement, at that moment there were small differences between our countries, there were disagreements, but nothing significant, well, accordingly, the answer to this question is clear, what will happen if russia and germany will come to an agreement, they will work

together. historical matter, what? favorite historical matter, well, the division of poland. and this is the motive that is playing now. this is precisely why poland is doing everything to prevent russia and germany from getting closer than a certain distance, i don’t know, i perceive this as some kind of phantom fears, just the rapprochement of russia and germany could become the basis for the economic prosperity of poland, because poland does not currently produce competing products, they are already included in the structures, corporate structures of german concerns, producing spare parts, equipment elements, semi-finished products, it turns out that if germany and russia built a common market, this would be the basis for industrial development, germany on its own, but you know, waldemar, let's watch the video together, he

made quite a lot of noise on social networks, the ruling polish party right of justice published a harsh anti-german propaganda video, let's watch it together. hello, good afternoon, they are calling you from german embassies. i would like to agree with the head of the polish government on the issue of retirement age.

kaczynski, they defend sovereignty here , but i would like you and me to remind our viewers of a short biography of mr. kaczynski, please, jaroslaw kaczynski, polish politician, founder and chairman of the ruling conservative party “law and justice”. twin brother of the deceased polish president lech kaczynski since june 21. twenty-third year occupies the position of deputy prime minister created specifically for him government supervising the bloc of power ministries. considered one of the most influential people in polish politics.

also, jaroslaw kocinski is the main ideologist of the internal policy of poland, which is characterized by the lustration of officials from the times of the polish people's republic, decommunization, with the demolition of monuments to the soviet wars, inclusive, strengthening the role of the catholic church, in particular, and the promotion of conservative values ​​in general, against the migration of asian and african countries by government attempts bring the judiciary under control power. in foreign policy, kaczynski is a eurosceptic and russophist. you know, people who are politicians are always of particular interest, but at the same time they refuse the leading place and become such shadow players who just manage. but that's true? well, i would say a little differently. look, this is the crisis. which not only poland, but in fact the entire european union now finds itself with, it leads to a very strange situation, in the political field, either very powerful, charismatic, authoritarian leaders can play,

well, people like, for example, the hungarian prime minister orban, yes, who is trying with all his might to get hungary out of the situation in which it finds itself, if such people are not found, political buffoons usually come. who come up with an agenda, draw attention to some facts that they supposedly consider important, but in reality their task is simply to distract attention, to divert attention from what is really happening, and the main thing is for them to hold on and survive, that’s all, i’m very strong i doubt that kaczynski has any serious element influence outside of polish society, in the end he is definitely... also given instructions on how to act and what to do , kaczynski is a person who completely does not fit the requirements for a political leader, he is a largely infantile person, just like him

the brother was, firstly, a person who gets lost very quickly, that’s why he hides somewhere, and if we see that there he was, then something scared him and he disappeared somewhere, yes, in some places. time we always begin to push conspiracy theories that he is actually concentrating, that he is thinking over secret plans, that he has holed up somewhere and is pulling strings from there, nothing of the sort, he got scared and hid under the bed. in this regard, in the army there is such a maneuver, it is called exhausting the enemy by running, that is, when you run from the enemy, this is not running, this is exhausting, kochinsky is just from this category in my opinion, and there is one more point, he also a plagiarist, because you and i just watched the video, that he resembles one to one according to the script, and according to the script it resembles real love, a film that was made about how

the american president comes to the newly elected british prime minister, the prime minister of great britain, there is exactly the same story, the american president begins to tell him that britain should do this, this and that, that’s a tough dictate, like in a telephone conversation, and he seems to hesitate, and then in the end he says: we all shouldn’t do all this we will, we are a great country, great britain, we are the country of beckham's left foot. the country of beckham's right foot and the dictator the american president leaves in disgrace, this is the dream of those countries that cannot afford this in real politics, here the same dream is embodied in this video, only they would at least come up with some original scenario, it’s impossible to tear it up, there are still copyrights there, i agree with you, valdemar, i would like you, as an experienced politician, to perhaps tell us some exclusive stories, because i think you know well that you observed the actions,

behind a political game, the same kaczynski, or the same tusk? yes, you can say whatever you want about kochinsky, but his psychological analysis and portrait , which even you are talking about now, is very similar to the portrait of the whole of poland, yes, russophobe, and eurosceptic, poland behaves exactly like that, and he, yes , hidden, so incomprehensible, inconspicuous, but ideologically, enough seeds have been sown to build domestic and foreign policy along precisely these two vectors. poland naturally gave up part of its sovereignty, like all republics, countries that are members of the european union, but poland is the only country from the post-soviet space that has benefited from this, we look at the baltic countries.

what happened to them, the poles were very cunning, very wise, they pulled out all the subsidies that could be pulled out , they pulled up their infrastructure, they pulled up their economy, only after that they began to snap back and now for them the collapse of the european union is probably even the desired scenario, debts there will be no need to give it away, we are a great country, we are friends with the americans more, better, stronger than everyone else the rest, everyone else is still trying to resist something, well, somehow resist, but we don’t , we are the faithful watchdog of our overseas master, we have great chances, because all this cheese, the nord stream explosion and so on, they were sleeping and they dreamed that they would set up a gas hub there, that they would supply all of europe with that liquefied gas... which the americans promised would be supplied

to them. let us comment on the economic situation in poland, the level of gdp. poland received a total of about $200 billion in funding from the european union. yes, i must say that they spent it really very effectively, largely due to the scale of their economy. still, 40 million people are not 3 million, somewhere in the baltic states, yes, well, in one of the baltic countries. moreover, yes, the mechanism made it possible to finance a number of projects from their own funds, and then receive compensation from brussels, they had their own funds, so they were still leaders among all these countries in receiving grants and project projects money, but here’s another problem that arises, the whole point is that they still sacrificed large industry, the second point, which is reflected here, is already approaching... the limit of exhaustion, the exhaustion

of these funds and these funds, and here another problem arises: the conservative polish population, they do not want to live according to the brussels agenda, and brussels is saying this: you joined, you gave us the right to make decisions within the framework of foreign policy, within the framework of foreign economic policy, please, obey, but the poles resist, as a result, and now they blocked 35 million of recovery funds, 35 billion , excuse me, dollars of recovery funds from covid, they were blocked by 76 billion for infrastructure development from the eu, they, in fact, no longer see this subsidy basis, what will happen to the economy, it is difficult to say yet, i would call this situation such, you know, a precarious balance, when on the one hand the decline has not yet begun, but the prospects for development as

such, to add something to what already done, no longer, that is, this balance, i am afraid that before that is, yes, we have such a peak that we can observe with you, i remind you that on the air of the sas program we are talking about the upcoming parliamentary elections in poland, scandals, manipulations , but i would like to note that shortly before the parliamentary elections, poland was involved in a case of corruption in the issuance of visas, the head of the polish foreign ministry sbik niewarau and his former deputy: piotr wawrzyk were accused of illegally selling visas and, according to the investigation: over the past 3 years they initiated the issuance of approximately 350,000 visas for workers from africa and asia. they charged up to $40,000 for one visa. the money was divided between the smugglers and the officials themselves. polish law enforcement agencies are checking

the embassy in india, hong kong, the united arab emirates, a boat in the philippines, taiwan and other countries. and since march , several suspects have been arrested. including an indian businessman, you know what ’s amazing, naturally, the ruling peace party claims that they are against migrants, but when actually for money, well, for money yes, andrey viktorovich, please, i want you to comment on this story, because there is a lot of noise, but yes, yes, yes, but this is really life, this is a clever scheme, so the guys apparently lived really well, having built their business, just on those powers that they had. in connection with the positions they held, and the fact that they issued such a huge number of visas to africans, many of whom, upon verification, turned out to be not africans at all, suggests that this scheme was sustainable and it wasn’t just these two people who were in it, and it wasn’t just two people who determined how it would all

be built, which means that everyone shared everything accordingly, because the income was very large and everyone was happy with it, and what’s more, it was circular. i believe that within the framework of this vicious circle, this project, he and the people who were engaged in it earned money for themselves and rose at the same time, they aroused sincere respect, like such clever businessmen, until the moment it finally turned out to be the epicenter of the scandal, now they are being treated in every possible way, and i i think that everyone is being transferred, but the question is : will the entire network be opened? the peaks of which they were, or not the peaks, but a transmission link, or this network will remain, they will not uproot it, new overseers will be installed, you know, when i look at this situation, i see two points, one systemic, which definitely needs to be addressed please note that the whole point is that the polish economy cannot live without migrants,

they have a constant need for qualified personnel, the problem is that a qualified polish plumber is already works in london. for more than 10, or even 15 years, they themselves cannot fill these vacancies, so they are forced to open the door, so to speak, to the influx of migrants, another question is that they, of course, would like to have migrants who are qualified, ethnically close and obedient, so, but this creates opportunities for this kind of abuse, and here there is also a purely human reaction, which is the proverb: don’t dig a hole for others, you yourself will fall into it, remember, when our migration crisis began, it began when the european union refused to cooperate with the republic of belarus in the fight against illegal migration, they took it completely, they just left all these programs in one day, the first thing, when

our crisis unfolded, and it unfolded right then, and we began to fight it, we imprisoned 17 people , the organizers of these illegal migration routes, there were citizens of poland, germany, unfortunately, ukraine, and there was not a single belarusian. well, naturally, in poland, simultaneously with the elections in october, it is planned to hold a referendum extremely conservative, voters will be asked to speak out about easing migration policy, reducing costs for strengthening borders, selling stakes in state-owned companies, and, of course, raising the retirement age. and the answers according to the plan of the initiators from the ruling party right and justice are no, no, no again. the opposition is confident that this is a way to mobilize the conservative electorate, and also bypass... de financing the company, because separate money is allocated for the referendum, details in our story, simultaneously with

parliamentary elections, on october 15 a national referendum will be held in poland, initiated by the ruling law and justice party. four issues will be put to the vote: the acceptance of illegal immigrants within the framework of the eu program, the demolition of the fence on the polish-belarusian border, the sale of state-owned enterprises, raising the retirement age, and holding a referendum: on election day, the prime minister explained by simple economy: i can confirm that we plan to hold one time, so that costs were lower, holding separate elections and a separate referendum entails additional costs, otherwise the costs will be almost the same. however, the referendum caused sharp criticism from the opposition, saying that this was only part of the ruling party's election campaign. the opposition also accused justice of trying to influence voters' decisions on election day by promising to boycott the referendum. this is not a referendum, it is simply an election campaign of the party of law and justice,

which thus avoids its financing. it is clear that the answers to these the questions have long been known, and the most important question that voters will face on october 15, whether to remove this bad government or not, is a very simple question, and we will answer it together on october 15. it is worth noting that in addition to. referendum - a special place in the preparation for the elections is given to relations with belarus, which politicians from the party of law and justice pose as a threat, which is why one of the key issues is the fence on the border of the two countries, for this purpose the polish authorities are systematically inventing and broadcast various accusations against belarus in order to improve relations between the countries, earlier alexander lukashenko said that he had instructed prime minister roman golovchenko to contact the polish side, but warsaw turned out to be not interested in this, the priority is to prove to ordinary poles the advisability of nato being in country. whatever goal

the ruling coalition is pursuing now, many experts agree on one thing: poland is now on the verge of a war for sovereignty and real democracy. and now the people have the right decide for yourself what political, economic and social processes are acceptable within the state and country to ensure the desired level and way of life. what kind of manipulators, valdemar, please tell me, how do you feel about holding this referendum on election day, this time, and in general about those issues that are put to the referendum? and we should learn from switzerland, but we all probably need to, they hold referendums there without any special financial seal or anything else on any issues related to the welfare of the people, here it is natural, that this referendum will be part of the pre-election. the result, well, that is, better than pr not for a company, which can influence you can imagine, despite the aggressive, extremely

harsh rhetoric that we hear in relation to the republic of belarus, from the lips of polish politicians, from the lips, again, of the president of the republic of belarus, we very often hear a call to the world to look for compromise solutions and the opportunity to sit down at the negotiating table, and in general, we are all, frankly, very similar. and honestly, for poland, as for the republic of belarus, these are traditional values ​​are the set that unites us, let's hear the president's synchronicity, please, time has shown that our noble desire to live in peace was not appreciated by our neighbors, i'm not talking about the polish people, i'm talking about the elites, politicians who have been thirsting for revenge all these years , taking this opportunity, i would like to say just a few words to my neighbors, or rather the peoples of neighboring countries, poles, lithuanians, latvians. you know, we do not

draw plans to interfere in your life, we wish you only goodness, happiness and peace. yes, andrey vladivich, that’s very correct, it is emphasized that there is no aggressive attitude towards the poles, there is. and to be honest, this is probably 2-3%, these are the people who dream, yes, again, about the restoration of the polish-lithuanian commonwealth, these are the imperial ambitions, they are not inherent in the poles who live today, if we take the people of poland , then no one there harbors these phantom imperial ambitions, moreover, from a simple pole, you can always hear the question why we need this, by the way, this applies not only... to the kres, so to speak, belarus, this even applies to galicia, that's what will this give us? people there are not tuned in to these

things. the second point that should be important to note is that polish society also does not accept war. by and large, militant rhetoric is exclusively a feature of political circles, but not of polish society. but there is one problem: polish society has been seriously manipulated. they really believe in the threat from the east, they are constantly brainwashed by these theses. hence, they are simply intimidated, they are afraid. and how to deal with this issue, this is the president’s address - this is really a very important point, to send a powerful political signal that we don’t need your share, we don’t need your land, we have enough of our own, and this is a big problem, we have slightly overestimated the wisdom of the polish establishment, because they really abandoned the socialist period

, they rejected it as negative, there was only bad in it and without seeing the good, without seeing the social development of the country, they started with a clean slate, they were given institutions that do not accept polish society, neoliberal institutions, they now have a terrible conflict between institutions and society as a whole , how will they get out of this situation, to be honest, i just can’t imagine, andrey viktorovich, but do you think there is a way out of this situation, because it seems to me that when like this... they forcibly impose on you development models that are unnatural for you, sooner or later you will say your resounding no, will they say sooner or later, this is the main question, because yes , the game was imposed on them, but they are with great wanted to join this game, but didn’t join only the establishment that we are talking about today, and the price of which we know, has involved almost all layers of polish society,

the politics of poland and political... are now driven by illusions, but these illusions took a long time to form, and until these illusions are broken, some kind of rock , everything will be like this now, well, absolutely disappointing forecasts for the future of poland, recent friends have become enemies, tension between kiev and warsaw is growing, zelsky said that some of kiev’s friends in europe are pretending to show solidarity on the political arena, but by playing with grain, they prepare the ground for moscow. the day before.

to renounce history, to renounce certain ideological values, to reshape the entire past again, to rewrite it, to impose those friends who were never friends, today for ukraine, such actions of poland are such a knife in the back, friendship is friendship, and tobacco is ros, well done here, they defend the interests of their farmers, this is where the germans would really need

to learn, because i’m sure that here... this decision - well, it would be impossible to make because of such tame politicians, and he can’t do otherwise, maybe he would have acted differently, but the elections are just around the corner, and now, uh, not saying what the people want to hear is, well, i probably think that his justification to washington sounds something like this: that if i don’t get elected, let me get elected and then we’ll sit down and talk. about all this, here are the poles, this is their style and character - external politics, when the internal one is included, when they play on the feelings of their own people, their voters and they do it right, this deserves respect, but will they be able to defend this position after the elections?

now the americans are probably not interested in changing either. they will ease the pressure, but after the elections we will probably see a completely different dialogue, there will be some folder with incriminating evidence on the table, thank you very much, there are many more words that are on topics that we have not touched upon, but i think we let's get back to the discussion, let me just make one remark, i absolutely agree that the poles will not be able to withstand this position, why, because they are not protecting themselves from ukrainian grain, but they are protecting themselves from american grain, which is produced by four or five large transnational american corporations that control... already up to 50% of the arable land of ukraine and which supply this american grain to poland to germany and so on, so i think that these attempts

, they really, i completely agree with my colleague, they will live until the elections, after the elections they will be immediately canceled, by the way, it seems to me that if today the leading position occupied tusk, the policy would have been completely different. okay, we have to complete our program, the final word of today's program, andrei viktorovich, please, you, well, uh, regardless of who comes to power in poland as a result of these elections, but here life goes on, that's politics poland is unlikely to change in the near future, that is, it will be just as anti-belarusian, anti-russian, just as aggressive, just as short-sighted and just as seven-minute. generally and manageable, of course, the west, in this regard, apparently, there is a saying that says that you should never interfere

with the enemy or make mistakes, of course, because only your own experience teaches, and even then not everyone, so apparently , there is a path that the political elite of poland must go through in order to understand that the course they are now following is a dead end. and at the end of our discussion, i would like to quote, in my opinion, the extremely fair words of one of the prominent figures of the white emigration, a native of the town of tsekhanov podgrodna, ivan solonevich. i had to talk to poles in warsaw in january 1940. everyone was to blame for the misfortunes that befell poland, the germans, the muscovites, the british, and the jews. they alone, the poles, always , without any exception, acted honestly and wisely, they acted as it goes without saying, they were supposed to act, and the result, as a result, is everyone

else’s fault. thank you, it was a program, sas is authorized to state. regardless of the election results, poland will face political and economic turbulence. evening prime time and this is a panorama. tatyana korol is with you. hello, let's sum up this day together.