[000:00:00;00] we will return to the discussion later, literally allow me just one remark, i absolutely agree that the poles will not be able to maintain this position, why, because they are not defending themselves from ukrainian grain, but they are defending themselves from american grain, which is produced by four or five large transnational american corporations that already control up to 50% of ukraine’s arable land and that supply this... grain to poland, germany, and so on, so i think that these attempts, they really, i completely agree with colleague, they will live until the elections, after the elections they will be immediately canceled , well, by the way, it seems to me that if tusk had occupied the leading position today, the policy would have been completely different, okay, we are forced to complete our program, the final word of today’s

program, please , well... and regardless of who comes to power in poland as a result of these elections , life goes on here, and poland’s policy is unlikely to change in the near future, that is, it will be the same anti-belarusian, anti-russian, the same aggressive, just as short-sighted and just as seven-minute, generally controlled, of course, by the west, in this regard , apparently, there is a saying that says that you should never interfere with the enemy there or, mistakes, make mistakes, of course, because only one’s own experience teaches, and not everyone, but apparently there is a path that the political elite of poland must go through in order to understand that the course that it is now following is a dead end, at

the end of our discussion, i wanted as if by i find extremely fair words from one of the prominent figures of the white emigration, a native of the town of tsekhanov podgrodna, ivan solonevich. i had to talk to the poles in warsaw in january 194. everyone was to blame for the misfortunes that befell poland, the germans , the muscovites, the british, and the jews; they alone, the poles, always, without any exception, acted honestly and wisely. as a result, everyone else is to blame. thank you, this was the “sas with full authority” program. regardless of the election results, poland will face political and economic

turbulence. hello, you are watching the program say don’t be silent, victoria popova and svetlana smolonskaya are in the studio. today our guest is journalist atn, the author of the sensational film the inside out about how easily the belarusian opposition is sold and bought ekaterina tikhomirova, good afternoon, ekaterina, hello, colleague, hello, thank you for the invitation, thank you for such a wonderful film, views , - they speak for themselves; oddly enough, it is watched most of all, not even in belarus, in other countries, neighbors, and we you today, with this film, in particular, we are interested in who the idea of ​​the film itself belongs to, well, i won’t take credit for it, we worked as a fairly large team, there were really a lot of us, we practically work together on all projects, i can

say that this is such a team of professional hooligans, that is, we can work on one project, somewhere in the process, even at the level of people who deal with technical issues. a thought may arise, should we do something similar, this thought may ripen, ripen quite for a long time, well, in the end, this kind of hooliganism that you saw in belarus alone, yes, we all saw it, appears on the air, enters into life, including the so -called opposition, that is, this is a collective idea, let’s call it that, of course, well, let's start discussing the wrong side, why mrs. kovalkova was chosen as, well, i wouldn't even say that as a victim, i would say as... the object of your hooliganism, well, olga kovalkova, she is quite an interesting

character , as i already said in the film, playing and the role of the so-called assistant to the russian oligarch, that same olga smirnova, teska kovalkova, kovalkova is an ambitious person, with her political ideas unrealized, in this regard, well, she was probably the easiest victim, well, that’s if...’ honestly, but in fact, she tried to get involved in politics for quite a long time, she worked in the administration of minsk, she went to the elections in the sixteenth, nineteenth year, participated in various rallies, in the twentieth year there was a so-called attempt too to break into this presidential race, bereft, alas for her, and besides everything else i won’t deny, i was very interested olga kovalkova is a person of such... common russophobic thoughts, she quite often said that belarus is selling its sovereignty, and supposedly any investment, integration, cooperation with russia will lead to the fact that belarus will give up

its sovereignty and become another russian region, yes, this was her slogan at parliamentary elections, her attempts, and elections, she always told you you want to wake up tomorrow in russia, this is it. and here it was very interesting, what would happen to these ideas of olga kovalkova, to the ideas of her nationalism , if she was offered the russian ruble, well, this is , of course, the most severe test of all ideals, at what point, you said there in the film that you worked on it for six months, and you realized that the prank would take place, that she was hooked, then when she began to show with all her appearance that she was hooked on me, well , she thought that i was an assistant to a russian oligarch, this she hooks me, it's me a goldfish that will help, that is, she thought that she had charmed you and the first tranche was about to arrive across the border in rubles,

no, she insisted on the euro after all, katya, well, i think that the work was certainly on the film was difficult, now we are already joking here, laughing, because the project took place, what was the most difficult thing for you, maybe not to split? well, in general, in principle, in journalistic work there are probably different projects, yes, some are going on, they are going very easily, but some, well, it’s difficult, it happens like this, it doesn’t depend on the topic, the topic can be very interesting, well, well, something doesn’t work, here i would say that the topic went quite easily, yeah, well, somehow it all worked out, from the initial idea oh, let’s play it out, we shouldn’t forget that olga kovalkova made a very... contribution to the success of this film, but without her nothing would have happened, frankly, yes, but nevertheless, there were some minor difficulties, well, let’s put it this way, at the level

of presentation form, because i wanted to keep this intrigue until the very end, because if speak honestly and frankly, if you go up to an ordinary man from mensk, a belarusian on the street, and ask, do you know who olga kovalkova is, well, an ordinary person won’t say, she’s... such a well-known personality in narrow circles, in narrow circles, yes, but it was necessary make it so that it is interesting to the average person, accessible, interesting, so that he can watch and see. who were these people who organized the riots in 1920 ? she organized these women’s riots, and who are these people so that those who may have gone to the rallies and those who were compassionate would see it? these protesters, and those who have always been supporters of the authorities, that is, this should be of interest to everyone, here at the moment of the form there were difficulties, to be honest, i tried to refuse that form several times, but in the end it was the one that ended up on the screens, did you learn anything new about them? while working on the film?

in fact, i thought, every time, i gave olga kovalkova a chance to actually get out of this situation, get out of the game, get out of the game, you can really say so, that is, maybe somewhere in the process of changing shoes, perhaps so, but some questions, that is, i went through several times, for example, maybe she somewhere did not understand what they wanted from her, that is, when she was already specifically asked a question about that listen, we need a new... leader of the belarusian opposition, but instead of tikhonovskaya, because she has discredited herself, we are not satisfied with all this at all, kovalkova understood everything clearly, she knew perfectly well what they wanted from her, well, we can’t go far need to, in fact, she invented khodorkovsky, she no one ever said any names or surnames, yes, yes, that is, she somehow came up with the idea that you are a representative of khodorkovsky, yes, yes, that is, i don’t know, it was such an illusion of hers from the very beginning.

but she actually didn’t ask for any surnames, any names , all that she was told during the first call was that i am an assistant to an influential russian philanthropist, who, yes, has influence on everything that happens in the cis countries, he has there are interests there, but what was probably not even a discovery for me, well, i probably didn’t expect of such a scale, but greed, banal greed, because one of the moments when it was possible for olga to play out completely different scenarios, this is not in the film, i ’ll tell you a little secret now, but during our first call, it was she who sent us this one so let's say, and the rider, yes 500, 500,000 euros, for which the estimate, yes, for which she is going to work, and it is clear that this money will not be given to her every second, we offered her 20,000 euros right now, right now we give, it's simple

so that... how it works, at that very moment, when we were talking about the hook , she started to hook me, she said, no, you know, this is not serious, i won’t even lift my fingers for this, even for such pennies yes, no, no, no, she began to put a price on herself, in principle, these 500,000 euros , she discussed that this was approximately, that it could change, not that it should be more, or maybe less, but these are approximate amounts, of course, of course, you understand, you’re talking about these 2000, then there is even at that moment... at that moment she began to increase her worth, but it didn’t click for her that this was some kind of scam, but would the influential russian oligarch maecenas, well, there really would be such, well, such small amounts, and of course, here it’s obvious to me what amounts they are used to dealing with, but in order to start something, some movements, body movements are quite modest, so they think that this is a normal order of prices, terrible, and in the film she says that she has there was very little time to check everything, what is this, well, approximately

cost estimate, but at the same time in the film she confessed to you, let's listen to what she said, as if, also in the second round , we are already planning to implement some things, of course, in order to implement some things today in such a rather difficult situation strategy, we need a resource, we need a human resource, also, now we need to revise the strategy, i’m just not sure that the office is ready to revise it, that’s the problem, but people seem to see it, it’s... mine, my feeling is, yes, people see it, and well, probably they are becoming less and less interested, maybe the opposition, because it seems to be engaged in such upper-level or completely internal processes, well, such a revelation, but here is what i would like to note, and not only for us, but for the viewers, the viewers, well, of course, the main one heroine, she got used to the role, to the image right away, they note your good performance, that is, you got used to it professionally. the role, although of course, in life you are not like that, that is, there is an assistant to an oligarch, you

are so assertive, so sharp, well, of course in life you are a completely different person, but you agree that you coped with this task in terms of acting, well, this was my debut, i’ll tell you honestly, i didn’t go to theater clubs either, but it seems to me that it turned out quite decently, yes, i didn’t let my team down, we did a decent product, i can praise both myself and the guys who work with me, who have not yet had time to watch the film, the cherry on the cake of the underside of the files on... and at the moment we are talking about processes such as privatization not today, in the sense in belarus , yes, naturally then, when you come to power, if you are interested in something specific , then you need to talk about this specific thing, that is, if you are interested in a specific enterprise, like a large businessman, who certainly

also has an interest, our boss also wanted to participate in that process of privatization, and in the belarus that will be built with your... participation, well, in particular, the interest in not all the chemical industry, yes, i understand that too, such a school for her, the cia, is probably good, she does not name names, but implies khodarkovsky, does not name enterprise, but she understands that she will have to give it up, she agrees to everything in advance, yes, of course, this is surprising, the effect after the film’s release is difficult to overestimate, we have already said, you saw the panic in the runaways, they probably thank you and the belarusian propaganda for cleansing their unstructured ranks, did you expect such a reaction? and i expected a reaction, of course, and i won’t say that it was so violent, well, i can say for sure that

as soon as belarus was alone on the air, the final screensaver went on, it just rained down on me tons of messages, negative, not a single one, people, belarusians, thanked, were very surprised , i can still say that voice messages were also coming, there were colleagues, journalists from beltelerok, and belarusian journalists in general and just spectators, probably the most memorable message is from the citizens of russia, hello, we watched it, liked it very much, and now please, you can do the same with the newborns. well, for me, the amazing reaction was that they didn’t keep silent for long, there was some kind of... a pause from these opponents of ours, and then they immediately began to kill kovalkova , in general, yes, without thinking that these are our people, our ranks, we need to protect them in some way, no, that is, what does this

indicate , what do you think, katya? the interest in belarus and the belarusian, so -called opposition, was in the twentieth. it was before the svo, before the events in ukraine, now , well, firstly, quite a lot of time has already passed, well, everyone understands perfectly well that this time was given enough to build up these extremists who should were pumping belarus here inside the country, after their own escape, the money was cut, but uh, it’s not that everyone even wants to eat, they don’t want to cut their diet, so from this list, why would they give this amount that they gives. allocate food for 10-20 people, no, the top will eat exactly the same, those who , well, will go here, somewhere a little to the side, so, well, i think that fewer people, more, of course, of course, of course, that is why they thank you, well the fact that they immediately began to wet her, this once again confirms the idea that we all

know, and which kovalkova herself emphasized in the film, that there they have confusion and vacillation and discord, and those are public. that followed the film, did they evoke any emotions in you? they were quite expected, the person essentially had nothing to say, but at the same time something had to be said, from myself i can say that it would probably be better, she was silent, you already admitted that you gave her a chance, and well, in general - then i suspect, katya, that you are a person solid, kind, and you didn’t want to bury this representative of the constitutional court there just like that, but it’s a pity. she was there at some point, well, you know, i didn’t set a goal to bury her, but i didn’t set a goal to dig her up either, honestly, but yes, she was given a lot of chances to get out of this situation, something... then maybe even suspect somewhere, yes, or give us more detailed

answers about whether i feel sorry for her, you know, well, the character, let’s call it to put it mildly, is very ambiguous, is it possible to feel sorry for such people, is also a big question, but still, a woman must... remain a woman, and a woman is the one who first of all sympathizes, not that i sympathize with her, but at the time the film came out, i wondered whether she was watching now, or this night for her i’ll be able to sleep peacefully, i agree with you that all this fuss, this whole story , well, it doesn’t seem to leave any chance for pity towards them, alas, they didn’t feel sorry for anyone , she doesn’t feel sorry, even in our conversation, when she. takes and just an unknown person, whose name she doesn’t even know, she already practically gives, but the belarusian industry, and people work there, it gives people, gives their destinies, is it a downed pilot, or

will it still find an opportunity to fall to some other oligarchy source , it will try for the same reason , you want to eat, but another thing is that the trail will remain behind her and i am sure that in the future she will be repeatedly reminded of the sale of the enterprise and communication with the so-called russian oligarch, who turned out to be a representative of bt, i think shleyev will follow her for a very long time, well then about the parties, i didn’t understand there, that is, it doesn’t mean anything to them at all, it’s just a game, she easily gave up her party right away, yes, she was ready to give up anything for a russian ruble, well, do you have any excitement today ? to continue this series of revelations, it is, it was and will be, in fact, this is the third series of the inside out project

, we will continue to work, we will look for different forms, i can say that yes, in the near future, we guarantee something else very interesting, i think that kovalkov’s associates and current exes are tense, but how are you you think, well, in general, this gang of coordinators from vilnius, from warsaw, they imagine that if you talk about the so-called belarusian opposition, the belarusian people are probably lucky that it is like this, if there were no such opposition, it would definitely have to be invented, in -first of all, in the twentieth year itself, we have already said more than once that he stirred up the people so much, this gathering of people who are sitting today in poland in vilnius, these are such scoundrels, well, i don’t know, here and mmmrode. to envy, that is, here they are they collect something there, they do something there, these are the most natural swindlers , everyone sees it perfectly well, of course it’s a pity for the people who

at one time were led to abandon their homes and families here and run away, i’m not talking about radicals and extremists now , yes, and about those people who may not even have gone out anywhere, but were afraid, they were so intimidated that they ran away, well, the way home is open for them, we will already help, open our eyes to everything that is happening then and... well, you now they answered my question, in general we had visiting in this studio the chairman of beltelerokia ivan, mikhalovich, he was also asked this question, is it worth remembering about them at all, well, some people believe that if we had already forgotten about them, then they would have disappeared from the agenda altogether, in fact, this is a very interesting question, on the one hand, of course, we use such materials, we bring them to light, yes, in fact, few people are interested in them in their swamp, so they are all there, this is on the one hand, on the other hand,

if we don't remind you of what it is here is a gang of crooks, it exists, it lives today, begs for sanctions and tries to harm the belarusian people, then how will the belarusian people themselves know about this, well, if we are talking about the fact that the media should be open, then we should raise these topics, but can they pose any threat in the upcoming elections? at least they are going to do this, now the upcoming elections, they are trying to somehow create the appearance of so-called consolidation, they are not succeeding, as kovalkova spoke about, because each of them wants to actually come to power, so if we go back to kovalkova, she , as you said, was just making a revelation out of the soul, no, in fact, she was just trying to convince me that neither latushki nor tikhanovsky are worthy of the money of a russian philanthropist. that is, this is to sell yourself, to sell yourself, yes, they are standing in the window, and they will try, because well, you have to understand, this is just

business, they, this is how they survive and ensure a decent existence for themselves, not for people, who are abroad, they are they are kept in fear and are still being fed information that they will be imprisoned , they will be beaten there, and so on, the people who are today in poland, in lithuania, they are really scared, well, this must be understood, this is really about this for sure, the people themselves talked about it, they are afraid, they are in fear while being there and at the same time they are afraid to return back. we’ll call kovalkova olya half a million, let this trail follow her now all her life, even if she doesn’t apply for our elections, let’s take a break, remind you, we have a telegram channel, tell me don't be silent, subscribe, ask questions and suggest guests, we are in touch.

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this is the program tell me, don’t be silent, we’re visiting journalist of the telelenova betelerokiya agency ekaterina, let's talk about you, in november 2019 you came to minsk, we even have evidence of why we wanted to focus on it on the date, because everyone who is trying to denigrate you writes that you arrived in the twentieth year, this is a mistake, friends, ekaterina was in minsk on november 19 , long before the well-known events, just such a small remark for our worst friends, but still, what do you have in november 2019? before pushing me to move to our capital from kaliningrad? in fact, i should have moved back in 2010-2011, and my husband’s grandparents, grandfather, an honored person, lived here, this is a prosecutor, a military prosecutor, of the baltic fleet in the past,

a military prosecutor of the belarusian military district, davidov.. he called us here, we were just finishing university, i knew perfectly well that i would work as a journalist, and honestly, i was very simply scared, just humanly, i was scared to come to another country after university, but who needs me here, in fact, in 2019, in there was a tragedy in the family, uh, my mother-in-law, yes, my husband’s mother, she left suddenly, here in minsk she looked after her father, vladimir alekseevich. he was 90 years old at that time, and honestly, we simply could not leave him here alone, that is, yes, he could afford to support himself, hire a nurse to be in some boarding house, but these are not his native walls, this is not dear people , we couldn’t transfer him to kaleningrad, he simply wouldn’t have survived this journey, to be honest, my husband probably couldn’t accept this a decision, such a responsibility for oneself, because

we have a small child, we have a comfortable life, a house, my relatives are in kaliningrad, his relatives are in kaliningrad, i probably took the courage so that he wouldn’t even voice it, i said, okay , i agree, let's go, let's try, in fact, throughout this very long time, we came here four times a year, on these big holidays that we have in russia, yes, these are the new year holidays, march 8, well were here consistently for 5 days, that is i was fascinated by belarus, in particular minsk, i was... for a long time, well, this is how the circumstances developed, why not try, we came to try, and then covid happened, and the borders were closed, there seemed to be no options left, let’s say yes, but we didn’t change our minds more than once , well, that is, we were not disappointed in the choice of the question about minsk , is there a place of power in our capital for you, and there is

not in the capital, i am the person who you... was born near the sea next to the sea, of course, at some point i really missed it enough, but we people somehow find a replacement, this is not about changeable character. mood, but i was fascinated by the belarusian fields, their breadth, their hospitality, beauty, and the belarusian village, of course, probably , some period of time will pass, i will definitely get a house in the belarusian village, where i will sit on the porch, read some historical novels and relaxing souls, here you are sitting in minsk, watching the protests, you understand that you are a journalist, after all, and not... just a wife, a faithful one, and write a message to the chairman bel-telerdiocompany ivan mikhailovich eismant on social networks that they are ready to join forces, this message seems to me to have determined

your future fate, yes, what was in this message, the first line was not even hello, but in capital letters, a fighter asks to join the detachment, and then hello already, yes, roughly, well, a resume, of course, and how i ended up in minsk, what motivates me, what i see, well, something like this, it took you a long time to decide, well, in general, not all people are able to step over this threshold, write a personal message to the chairman there biltelerokia, i can even say what was the main impetus for all these events , we in the summer of 1920, when all this was happening, we left for kaliningrad, we had to pick up a child to bring here to first grade, we came, this it was the last days of august, and september 1 was just around the corner, well, the usual maternal needs, the child needed to be taken to the store to buy tights, we went to the supermarket, at some point the supermarket became quiet, just silence,

we left the store, and what that's how people are strange people are walking around, some white, red, well, strange people, then we understand that what’s happening, it ’s sunday, i think it’s august, we need to go home, but how? about 500 meters to the house, we were walking in a huddle with the child, the husband was carrying the child on himself, through this crowd, such uncles were walking against the grain, i’m not afraid of this word, in a very strange state of soul and body, if we speak figuratively , and they shouted all sorts of slogans in order to rouse this crowd, and we came home accordingly, there were a lot of people inside feelings rose, to be honest. because the event in ukraine in 1914, it’s happening, what’s happening outside the window, and some kind of injustice, stupidity, i don’t know, the behavior of this crowd of mothers with children who

end up there on the street, i’m fine i realized that i needed to wait, i needed to wait, send the child to school, so i waited for these 24 hours, sent the child to the line, and wrote a message to ivan mikhailovich, but first i really consulted... i consulted with my kaliningradsky, let’s say teacher, journalist andrei vypolzov, i say, listen, well, what should i do, i say, i don’t know, i’ll send it to the post office, it will get lost there, in general, how much journalistic ethics allows you to do such things as write messages , and there it can also get lost, he said, knock on all doors, try everywhere, you are a journalist and you have a way to prove yourself, you can do it, try, don’t put it off, well, i waited until the end. prepared to send and there was a reaction immediately, right? yes she followed very quickly, you were invited and what had to be done right away, well, first you had to show yourself, well, it’s clear that i

came, yes, look, these are my materials, i worked in radio journalism, look, here’s mine voice, yes, i did such programs, but it was exhausting, yes, i need to show myself , what can i say, note yes, on belarusian television and in general in belarus as a state, a chance is always given, a stranger has arrived, yes, well just declared, advertised himself, given a chance, okay, if you are talented, if you can do something, please go show me, i was given this chance, i did, it seems, there were three test reports, one already aired, and then literally probably a week later, then the reporters department was led by alexander khorovets, who was, accordingly , a man. who was conducting the interrogation, yes, he said, well listen, you came, you came bright and loud , well, show me what you can do, but i knew how to write texts, i knew how to work with my voice, i don’t know what a picture is, that is that's it

i don’t know how to work with pictures, but i said, okay, let me show you, tell you which western funds, which structures are financing the belarusian protest, well, i spent some time on these sites, the cosdep of various programs and the first investigative program came out , then it wasn’t about the form. like katyushin’s calculation, well, but it was a harbinger of katyushin’s calculation, yes, that is, and then it grew into a section, katyushin’s calculation, and this can be considered your exam or baptism of fire. who came up with this name katyushin calculation is not me, it is the name was invented by sergei khamitovsky, the current head of the agency, yes, that is, it also took shape in this idea , also collective, and very worthy, of course, you can say, you have proven yourself to have such a fast career in

my... only one colonel did, ekaterina, for me it was honestly, it was unexpected to learn that you are the author of such film projects, you are afraid of the camera, how do you then hide, mask this excitement in front of the camera, but i am afraid of live cameras, that is, you have to tune in, because the situation is quite stressful, i will say that all the presenters have their own life hacks, and i have one, maybe a little childish, a little naive, but when i run from one building to another, oh, i go down from the sixth floor , somewhere on the second floor there is such a door, honestly, you need to find out where it leads, of course, but somewhere in this position i definitely begin to tune in, and i definitely remember my grandmother, because for me to become the leader television news,

worked in the media, this i was... her dream, alas, she has not been with us for a long time, but i ask her for help so that the technology does not fail, first of all the nerves, certainly the nerves, and then come to the studio early, be sure to tune in, merge with the atmosphere , well, i’ll say this, that our operators are probably a little nervous, because they also have to arrive long before, so as not to leave me in the studio, katerina, at a stupid time in the twentieth year, i remember that persistent rumors were circulating that we had a russian here. .. the landing force settled on the telediokia, and obviously you are the landing force, just imagine this situation, august 2020, i already know that i will now return from kaliningrad, and i will storm, let’s say, belarusian television, august 2020, i am lying on the beach and opening various kinds of telegram channels, and there they write : the russian landing force has landed, i think, well, that’s it, i’ll take the place, and then you won’t be kicked out, you know.

i would even have handed over my tickets, i’ll tell you honestly, and would have arrived earlier, but from kalingrad during the tour season it was quite problematic, i had to die, exhale, let’s say so, katya, if this is your place, then you will be there, and accordingly, on september 1, as if i didn’t find a landing party, it turns out that i myself was discredited, yes, thank you, thank you to the so-called belarusian opposition and their propaganda for that, that i ’m here today, but in general, where did this come from about the landing, what do you think, what was it for, what? well, it seems to me that it was necessary to just once again pursue this russophobic line, besides the belarusian television there were supposed rumors that not a belarusian amon, there it is a russian amon, but how do we calculate them, they have a clearer r or t, well , that’s the plan, well, russophobia was catching up, they just delayed it for some period of time, so that later it’s likely

shoot one more time, once again they just wanted to carry out the same anti-russia project that we see today in ukraine , they wanted to do the same with belarus, because honestly and frankly, probably, only for the unity of those three countries, we will have a very strong future, the west just doesn’t want let us unite as three nations or as one whole, well, now 3 years have passed, tell me what color you brought to the team of the telelenova agency, this is what kind of work you do best, what do you think? well, except for acting, and i won’t push myself too high, it’s not fair, i’m very critical in general , i always even scold myself for some moments, although i probably should have stopped , perhaps even praised some moments , and i really love working on live television, this is a panorama, i really love doing copyrighted ones materials, because from start to finish, this is... this is my work, this is my child

, let's just say, i hope that i brought something new to author journalism, because well, our girls are wonderful, they do wonderful materials, but everyone has their own style, i try to make my materials in such a way as to enter into a dialogue with the audience , give it a basis, and think, maybe not even believe, maybe even doubt, in this way setting up so let’s say, this one here ... the dialogue itself, yes, so that i would talk to him, he would talk to me, then it happens so too, what they write and we discuss, yeah, you just said that you are all different, indeed, each author, journalist, atn is a personality, with her own style, handwriting, ksenia lebedeva is one thing, masha petrashka is completely different, information, you have your own, but most often i see you in the company of anastasia benedesyuk, here, are you friends, or is it some kind of collegial discussion, just a discussion between

you, well, we are in the same department, she heads the reporters department, in addition to this, anastasia is the person who introduced me to otn, with the beltelerokpania, it was she who... showed me where it was, there was such a mini-excursion, well, probably, anastasia and i developed friendly, comradely relations, i can say, with great gratitude, i can approach her and ask some advice, to evaluate some material, and she does the same sometimes, that is, this is also a big compliment, tell me, you said that for almost 10 years, yes , you tried to move to belarus, you planned in the tenth year, this happened only in the nineteenth, well, it was the most difficult to adapt to our country after kaliningrad, you know, i didn’t feel like i had moved somewhere , i’ll tell you honestly, i got the impression that, well, i’ve been here a little, now i’m

here, i can say, it’s already so you get used to the fact that you may not be able to lock the car, but you can a day later , this is really a story from my life, i tried to withdraw money, well, i mean, i withdrew money from an atm, i had a card, a day later i rushed, and where, why, and just automatically approached the same machine, there was my card on top, but now it’s difficult to just take care of yourself , that well, you don’t need to scatter your things, but here, if they take them somewhere, they will most likely take them to the police, yes, where you can call and they will even bring you this , well, i can say that this is not a reproach - to my beloved country, now everything is going towards this, too , you feel safe and i, as a mother, can say: my child can calmly go for a walk in the yard, but there is no fear for him and experiences, and it is expensive, of course, well, the most of course, i read terrible things about you, in the imaginations of our friends, so to speak, as we have not remembered them, they not only

compose your biography, but also photographs and documents, as i understand it, they forge, and with your face, can we count here all this compromising information about your universities, in the information war, have you become, well, more aggressive or something, have you adopted a journalistic style after experiencing all this, actually no, i won’t even say that this is somehow an honest thing , firstly, while still working in kaliningrad, to such in principle things have already developed immunity, and family support and their reaction are very important in this matter. because in the material that was now on the screen, there was an attempt to quarrel, so to speak, between my husband and i, my husband treats this with a sense of humor, that is, absolutely calmly and adequately, both my husband and my parents,

we just smile and laugh, although, well, yes, some things are of such lousy content, of course it’s unpleasant to read, well, all this quickly goes away, well, there is an expression that the more incredible the lie, the believes her, so, probably, the calculation was made on this, but still, what, well, the wildest lie about yourself have you read or learned from such materials from such authors? well, one of the things is supposedly that i have relatives in the bucha , ukrainian propaganda came up with something like that, and, having published it not on their own resources, on some resources that are not even the media, these russian ones, the most probably so... dirty that it was, it was an attempt to tarnish my reputation, to make , so to speak, a woman of easy virtue, but this if so, it’s very veiled, and how can i throw it at my husband that my husband once worked as a truck driver, yes, that while you ’re a truck driver, look at what she

’s doing, but at this point i would like to point out such a thing, to me in general, it was very interesting, when they wrote this, they found a special person who would sit on dirty sites and find a blonde who looked vaguely like me, because photographs, so to speak, were attached, but they are not similar at all, i saw these photographs, katya from the girl who is yours the understudy, so to speak, she has nothing in common with you at all, but will anyone understand this, well, in principle, this is what it is designed for, well, that’s their job, that’s the job, but you already said, that security in belarus is something that catches your eye, so i’m sure that as... a citizen of russia, you have ukrainian roots, they still pinch you from this side, yes, there are probably some in russia too , in ukraine there are people who don’t like your way. your biography, do you feel in danger from

them, from these people? well, i received threats, i received all sorts of them, including from belarusian mercenaries, and from ukrainian militants , and i won’t name very bloodthirsty names, because they are well-known, but i also received voice messages, and such, with the same details as how will it be that a scenario awaits me there and so on, and not feeling in danger , well, honestly, this is probably due to great trust in the belarusian special services, belarusian security forces, today i have entrusted my life to belarus, i can say that in many ways, this, i’ll say very simply, yes, this is the merit of the dad, because this is the master’s fist, the order, he, he just inspires trust, and the feeling, the feeling that you will be safe, everything is under

control, and people are united, everyone does their job, well, i’ll just be a link in this big chain of the belarusian state, so thank you very much for this opportunity, we sign every word, katya, it’s true, we’re all safe here, well we'll take a short break for now, our telegram channel, tell me, don’t be silent, subscribe, invite us to guests, ask questions, we are in touch. on the air again, say don’t be silent, our guest is journalist atn ekaterina tikhomirova. ekaterina, we have already said that in kalining and sevastopol you had your own and long biography. have you maintained contact with your friends there? in kaliningrad, of course, yes, my mother lives there too. and my friends, i have been very lucky in my life, i have childhood friends with whom we

go hand in hand further, and the distance in this matter did not hinder us, they come regularly, i can say that our the house in minsk is constantly full of guests, and by the way, probably thanks to friends and relatives, we get to know belarus, because we literally don’t have enough time, and here ... well, maybe only acquaintances, but our closest friends, these are, well, graves , grandparents, they built this city of sevastopol, and they come there, there is the heart, there is the heart of our family, you have already mentioned a little about childhood, then what is your most vivid memory from childhood, i had a happy childhood, i a happy child,

a happy woman, well, let's say, one of bright memorable moments, it was definitely a road, a road, a train, kaliningrad, sevastopol, there was such a wonderful station, my favorite , from where i never left empty-handed, and it was a toy paradise, zhlobin station, from where i left with a huge amount cats, dogs, lions and other animals , that is, you were waiting to meet this... i counted the hours until this station, of course, and your family, has it already fallen in love with belarus as much as you? since you show your friends our beautiful places, that is, we can assume that your daughter and your husband, well, they accepted belarus and consider it their country too, right? of course, we would not be here if someone felt any discomfort , we are comfortable in belarus, we have found our home here, we love kaliningrad madly, kaliningrad is the place where my husband was born,

where his relatives are, yes they live, we go there regularly, of course there’s not enough sea, the sea, we are still maritime residents, but the atmosphere, the atmosphere of comfort and homely atmosphere, it ’s definitely in minsk, it’s just so captivating with its embrace and no, here people, i very often hear from russians, feel... at home, namely, like at home, we even had such an experience, a story, when we just moved, still without a residence permit, we were just starting to organize our lives, a child i was going to first grade, i needed some banal information , we went to the clinic, and then we came up and said, we are foreigners, and what country are you from, from russia, oh, i’m also foreigners, that is, this is the attitude, of course, it’s warming, right after

the wrong side went on air, i wanted to find you, ekaterina, but you already went on a short-term vacation with your family, if it’s not a secret , where did you go and how did you spend your time, this is crimea, to crimea, by car, this is crimea, by car, we started, and the vacation was spontaneous, we decided with to spend my husband’s, well, not the first, not the second, but another honeymoon, to be alone and see crimea from a completely different side, yeah, but we started from minsk by car in krasnodar, took a trailer like this and went along the route, that’s where you want to go here? breathe this air you were talking about and be absolutely mobile, go where we want and when we want, i’m tired of here, we’ll go, great, what a great fellow you are, the recharge was a success, i’ll say, yes, the recharge was a success, but how do you manage to keep yourself in good shape, even

after such a recharge , work keeps you in good shape, live broadcasting first of all, because it’s a lot of stress, some projects keep you in good shape, because it happens that the excitement is so strong and great that you forget to even eat somewhere, well, i i think this is always familiar to everyone, we understand, i can say it’s true that these are different projects, these are different, so to speak, races, when i got a job at the beltelerok company, i immediately lost 10 kg of weight, then regained it, another project was dedicated, and 5 kg was lost there to belyatsky and his nobel prize. kovalkova didn’t take a single one, how greedy olya is, we have to state again, yes, but why such weight loss, that is, you live at work, but it happens in different ways, well, it’s just simple, yes, i just forget to eat, that’s how you get in into a state of excitement of interest, what it seems yes, you woke up, had breakfast, drank coffee

, ran to work, oh, and it’s already evening, and it’s already night, sometimes it happens at 5:00 in the morning, you just get home, and how does your family feel about this? with great, great patience, well, here you need to understand, of course, but what without, probably, in this matter, without the support of my husband, well , they wouldn’t be able to cope here, but he has iron patience, because well, not every man is ready to endure and take on some responsibilities, yes, including around the house, he is very patient about all this, he knew very well that i would be a journalist and that i am a careerist, we met when we were students, that is, and thanks to him, his endurance, i can do all this today , and of course, mom and dad also certainly help, help with the child, thank god,

we live in an age of high technology, call various messengers, check how the child is doing his homework, and thank them for this, because well, we probably wouldn’t have been able to cope, of course, you can say that when you came to the belteler company, you said that you had no experience or working with picture, you worked on radio, and you knew the texts, how to write, but today you have already passed these universities, did you fall in love with television, katya? and television is also a kind of drug, well, that is, if you take the radio, but here it’s a little one thing, television is another, i always knew, but i don’t know, my life is like this, probably going exactly according to plan, what will happen i’m 30 , over 30 i’ll definitely... go to work on television, well, actually, it turned out that way, spurred by circumstances, television is still a little different, i can say, there is one big minus in television, life flies by instantly, that is, the morning begins, the day ends, everything happens very eventful, on the one hand

, of course, this is a minus, yes, on the other hand, again, this is the tone, these are different changing circumstances. it’s always very interesting, it’s life filled with some events, you go to some kind of filming, you’re sitting on the air or playing another oppositionist, you can feel like a spy and a detective, well, in general, trying on any roles, well and do yours well work, yes, i also often think that , unfortunately, the sun was twisted, somehow the ball began to rotate quickly or something else, but the truth was not like this before, 10 years ago the time was like this. didn’t fly, well, thanks to such bright flashes as your work, katya, we manage to record the time, because there are some such notches, like the inside out of a film, it seems to me that this is some kind of step of our television towards victory in this information war, of course, and you are investing, well, part of yourself in this, thank you very much

thank you for today’s meeting, especially, we svetlana smolonskaya and victoria popova say goodbye to you for today. goodbye, goodbye, and now ekaterina tikhomirova is speaking, i would like to wish all belarusians, all our viewers , to remain the same wonderful people, with an open soul, watch all our belteleradiokpaniya channels, be sure to read the information, always doubt it, question it, be sure check it, and then victory will be ours in this information war, of course, i wish everyone good luck, thank you thank you very much, katerina, this picture was created by a neural network, it was based on or inspired by our logo, say don’t be silent, she saw us and read us in the style of the renaissance, we decided that this would become a place for the autographs of our beloved guests, you already see here, they left ours guests autographs,

please, and you can write us some wishes and sign them, thank you. class! young man, please tell me what is made of this spatula, girl, maybe you’d be better

off married, i tried it, it doesn’t help, i wanted to call you, i just had an idea for new novel, there was a meeting of the founders , it was hell, they realized that we are no longer publishing you, who is here, len, you are messing with something, you and i have been divorced for six months, i can’t bear it. i can tell you these jokes, do you want to come back to me? what are you doing there yourself? marketing ploy, i’m just a writer, i need to sell circulation, and here, as you know, only dead writers are read, okay, yes, it’s getting better and better every second, then you haven’t screwed in a single screw in 3 years, so that’s it and not a single screw, watch the tv series nice day this weekend

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