[000:00:00;00] but they saved some money and there, as if with friends in bookstores , he brought a certain amount of books from almost every salary; at our house there were more than a thousand volumes; of a normal soviet family, and i started reading all this when i was about five years old, and i read avidly continuously until i was about 15 years old. it’s definitely not, well, i was walking, everything was there, all the banditry, the indians, everything, well, everything you need , that's all it was, it doesn't mean that i i sat only with books, but i managed to do both, i read a lot, in the miners’ city library they considered me and my friend very strange children, because we probably went to the miners’ children’s library for three or four years,

every week, on wednesday with these two bags, we collected 10. 12 books and took them home, on wednesday they were for a week, on wednesday they were returned, that’s simple and, well , i just understood that somehow since childhood, probably through books, yes, that’s real life, yes, such a human thing, it is located somewhere here in the sphere of historical and political processes, and i can already say this now, in general you need to know that every person lives in history, of course, minsk or moscow or shakhtersk, but in general- then he lives in history, because exactly this historical space corresponds, well, to the life of humanity and to each individual person, as its part, representative, that’s why i guessed at first, yes, then i became an adult, i somehow already have this i realized that this is the real one

life, it’s here, where you were born, in a small miner, or in big moscow. some political companies not only leave a mark on history, but actually make this history; you are credited with working in election campaigns in russia and ukraine. kuchma, yanukovych, yatsenyuk, from developing the theses of ideas to conveying them to the electorate. this is where there is truth in my words, or are there any inaccuracies about which of the clients can be said to have won or lost, maybe some client was especially memorable, and this can be said, you know, won,

lost, did you achieve? well, they kind of achieved their goals, well, i think that to one degree or another, in the overwhelming majority of cases , they achieved it, well, if you start with kuchma, there was the year ninety-nine, yes, well, the situation there was similar to that , that well , it’s like this is an unsolvable problem, well, that is , he started the election campaign with some very minimal ones. yes, but it was possible to decide whether victory was always the main result that you wanted to achieve, or the task melted away, let’s say i want to gain so much percentage, or go to second place, to third, it happens differently, again, yes, it happens differently, but as a rule, these are the specifics of my work in this area, yes, especially when we were actively involved in this, we usually took on unsolvable problems

, well... this is this, this is it, well, they know this, yes, i’m not bragging now, dmitry, but give an example of an unsolvable problem, for example , in ukraine, there, the company of the ninety-ninth year, viktor pinchukakov, subsequently, this son-in-law of president kuchma, he was elected in dnepropetrovsk, in the city of dnepropetrovsk, in such a proletarian constituency, where only after privatization he received a plant, so to speak, there, and he ran against the all-powerful. pavel lazarenko, yes, well, he was the complete master of the dnepropetrovsk region, and on such grounds, you know, not political, yes, in principle, victor was not his, pinchuk was not his man, and in this sense he went against the structure , well, with all this money, just when they were looking for who could take over this company, there a lot of people came, and people there said

no, we won’t take it, we’ll leave, yeah. uh, and all this was there 2.5 months before the elections, that is, in a very short period, well, in principle, this situation was recognized as unsolvable, but there were other situations of the same type, well, that’s interesting, okay , explain to me, is it easy to force an adult , self-sufficient, i would even say arrogant to a certain extent person, to speak in your words, your theses, i’ve never done this, well, you discuss with a person how you discuss situation, you go through it many times from different sides, in order to understand, it is important that the person understands himself, well, what it is, how it works, after that he easily finds the words that correspond to his understanding, his understanding, not mine, that is, you tried to find these words, we

no, we tried, we deeply studied every situation, election campaign, political, there, economic, situation in the field, worked on it together, so that a person, well, grows his own ... understanding so much that he can calmly, i generally no, you know, that’s all, well, that’s all, that’s what you said, it all comes from the american school, this political technology school, you need to sell the candidate, it’s a lie, that’s our post-soviet man, he’s not going to buy anyone, well, that is, you know, the candidate writes a general speech, such a speech for all occasions, and then we and the bloc. this is all quackery, well, from my point of view, someone may think differently, i ’m not saying that everyone should think like me, no, they shouldn’t, okay, then how do you feel about the fact that some, some

experts call you a very effective and professional manipulator, but at the same time, they do not hesitate to accuse you that by bringing the same yanukov to power, you almost provoked and are almost guilty. the orange revolution, well, yes, i was guilty of everything, well, first of all, about the word manipulator, i don’t know what they want to say with this, well, so to speak, i ’ve never had anyone on my hand, that’s all, well, this comes from the word hand, and manipulate, yes, this is all nonsense, well, maybe someone, for some reason, says such words, you understand what's going on, really. there, if we talk about 2004, then there is a difficult situation, which after which there was an orange revolution, it developed exactly

because yanukovych de facto won, well, in the second round, i just know that, but not much there one and a half, by 2%, but he won, and it became, well, at. the reason for the orange revolution, that is, this is exactly what didn’t suit me, no, it didn’t suit me, it became the reason, because they couldn’t do it any other way, the united states couldn’t do it any other way, because well, i no longer i know what my role is there, so to speak, but the role of the fact that there was a revolution is the role of the united states, because all the headquarters and yushchenko’s company were led by the american embassy, ​​right there. literally, they drove cars to all the events, there, when yushchenko’s deputies were destroying warehouses with products of third candidates, uh-huh, not yanukovych, there were cars from the embassy nearby and american

diplomats were sitting there watching, monitoring everything, everyone was happy with it, well, that's why you 're asking who created, uh, orange revolution, well, yes, i we we are really working, well, yanukovych’s victory actually took place, it actually took place, and precisely because it took place, the americans staged the orange revolution, because well, it ’s like a bunch, you know, who manipulated whom, that is, if i then, if in this pledge, this is how you conveyed someone’s question, or someone’s opinion, then it must be said that kulyakov manipulated the american embassy, ​​i agree, and i like this answer, yes, i agree, these 2 years? agree, they abound election campaigns, the end of the twenty-third, the twenty-fourth, then the beginning of the twenty-fifth, slovakia now, poland in october, so, the usa,

russia, ukraine, i don’t even remember georgia , and then we are belarusians, but in the twenty-fourth and twenty-fifth, now we are not disputing your skill on this, i didn’t say that, by the way. this is de facto perceived as a tribute to experience in any case, but for the second and third, that is, poland and the usa, i will ask for forecasts, but for the last one, according to the council, the latter will not happen, well, with great respect i relate to the belarusian state, to the belarusian people, i think that you are doing everything right, and in general are overcoming such problems, young, in the historical sense, becoming a state.

which many have never been able to overcome, and not only in the post-soviet space in the world, is accepted as a fact, but this is a very historical activity, it always happens on the verge of death, so far you are coping with this matter, well, there are several crises historically allowed, i'm sure well, as it were, continue. everything will be fine here, so i won’t advise anything, uh, exactly, so to speak, out of respect for the fact that uh, in my opinion, it’s like that in the post-soviet space, belarus for sure, at least, well, if not historically at all proved, then showed that she can, well, unlike many, we were lucky with the president, yes, because i have something to compare with, so i ’ll tell you this, that i... when i saw alexander grigorievich with a machine gun yes with

my son, many people there were giggling about something, well, i by the way, i swore very strongly at them, no, in impartial words at those who giggled, because i understood, again with my historically philosophical bias, that alexander grigorievich accurately understands the relationship between power and its price, this is life, in general - so is his readiness. to protect the state from death, even at the cost of one’s life, this is a very strong not just a gesture, but this is a deep understanding of nature, historical nature, the things we are dealing with, because if you go back to the year 14, when the same yanukovych fled,

so he destroyed ukraine in this sense. here, because, well, well, i don’t want to be here, it’s just like this, it’s diametrical, yes , well, diametrical approaches, how a statesman disconnects from a politician, well, politics, that’s how you want it, and yes, i’m also like that thing, many will again dispute, but i will say that this behavior of lukashenko, from my point of view, was motivated primarily by the state. and not personal interest, although many interpret this behavior as personal, this is an unfair interpretation, false, well, because exactly the opposite is true, that’s why i said about belarus what i think, and i think, by the way, this formula is already complete, this formula, which i also think lukashenko proposed, yes, two countries, one fatherland, well, somehow he’s close, at least he said it many times

, regarding russia, we have one fatherland, yes, we have, yes, from brest to vladevostok he directly said about it, that’s what, you know , after all, the russian empire in its history, it is, well, unique, i’m not afraid this word, because there are no such examples in the world where, multidirectional, culturally. ethnic-religious communities, even in the early periods of history, when this was not the case at all, well, typical there since the middle ages or the enlightened absolutism of the era, had , well, such equal opportunities as it was in principle even conceivable then, this the story of how russia, big

russia, can live as a form of coexistence of common, fundamentally different, yeah, not assimilated, you know, i understand, but fundamentally different, in this you draw your strength, this is the civilizational difference , and when, well, i don’t know how it is here in belarus, but sometimes i hear all sorts of responses there, yes, well, like... russia you, well , to devour us, this is called dishonest responses, it is used, it has the right to be mistaken, but god bless him, yes, i’m calm. i relate to this, i say, this is wrong, this is incorrect, another process is important altogether, but a huge number of peoples, the russian empire and the soviet union, came from the assimilation of other peoples, precisely from this the process that you are afraid of, that russia

will absorb you, so you look at history, russia has created the conditions for you to save. unassimilated poles there or turks, well, in any direction, but look, this is the historical function of russia and as i understand it, the majority of the belarusian people, the majority, both the leader and the president, understand this, so we can calmly , in this sense, there is no guile in the words that we are building on equal terms... well, some greater community, this absolutely, there is no guile here, we are really building it on equal terms, despite the fact that russia is large, so to speak, and rich in mineral resources and something else, which means, well, belarus is a small state, understandable, but this is not determined by this, because

equality is determined by cultural and historical meaning in the future, of course, we can return to the poles, the poles and americans need to return, forecast? yes, you know, here i want to say, but in general i don’t care, in general it doesn’t matter, that is, you do you think that nothing depends on the elections, no, well, something probably depends, so i ’m going to refute myself now, i think there , for example, that trump didn’t suddenly jump out in 1916, this gave russia... well, how at least 2 years without war, because if there had been a clinton, there would have been a war in ukraine and maybe much more in ukraine, and maybe belarus would have ended up there, all this would have started no later than 1918, if there had been a clinton, that’s

why there are such people , well, how to prove this, this is us again now, i can build this here chain, but i am deeply convinced of this, in this sense, suddenly. the appearance of trump gave us, and russia, first of all, four or at least two, so to speak, extra years, which we made good use of, used them correctly, which is why, probably, something depends, in america maybe will a situation happen that they will not cope with the electoral process, and what will cause this, the economy? everything is there, they, in fact, have a systemic crisis, and the economy, politics, they are practically can no longer talk to each other, well, one america with another, well, many believe that it has always been this way, you know, it has not always been this way, because until the end of the 19th century,

they lived relying on their own resources, yes, this has always been an oligarchic state, since its inception. 16 or 1800 people in total in america, well, those who were allowed, and hundreds of thousands more were not allowed to have voting rights and this has always been the case, the last law discriminates against the participation of blacks. companies were canceled in 1966, yeah, here we are there were born immediately after this, in the last states where discrimination of voting rights disappeared, here it is, this

is the sixty-sixth year, here, but how the fact that a small group of worthy people will rule over everyone else, this was intended from the very beginning, and this is how it was built , well, from there there are qualifications and so on, and while this small group was dealing with the territory of america and, as it were, with its own resources, there were difficulties there, of course, and yes , they were dealing with the civil war, which for them still remains the biggest cataclysm, so say, this is a civil war, but when they brought this model outside they said that now they will all... deal with peace, this is where real problems began, but then you understand, it’s one thing to maintain such a system in conditions of excess resources, and another thing in conditions. resource shortage, as they said in odessa, there are two big differences, and the united states since the late sixties

of the last century has been living in a situation of resource shortage, in fact, as a socio-economic system, they lost to the soviet union, well, if consider this, well, as if as an experiment, but a scientific one, that’s because, well, having used the printing of the dollar and the refusal of the gold filling of this very dollar, so they have been living in a situation of virtual debt since that time, many say, so what, so what we are the notorious 32 trillion 33 already already 33 yes margeevich 33, and i think that very quickly, now a trillion will be added literally every six months, yeah, well, okay, this is... like a canvas, yes, after all , as a result, trump faces 600

years, yes, 600 years, yes, imprisonment, biden is showing off, well, let’s be honest, he can barely move , what is the result, there will be elections anyway, there will be, or they will leave them both behind, well, the old people, someone will jump out young, but this must be decided within a week, either these two titans come together, then everything can completely fly apart into danger. that’s because, well, it won’t be possible to send trump through the mail services a second time, well, it won’t work, yes, they will get along, well, they will get along, that’s basically necessary, i proceed from the fact that in america a civil war is already going on in hidden forms, it often already takes on obvious forms , so if this scenario remains, that two powerful old men will come together, then this is fraught with the transition to open forms

of civil war within the country within the country and within the country poland is even less interesting to us because at least tusk is the second one which is european and for belarus for russia it is the same thing, in general, will there be more problems with whom, who should? to win there, and it’s also not important, but many of our people , you know, raikin, of our youth had this in his reprises, this is a very interesting topic in the dissertation, there’s something in the nose , but many of us like it, yes, if kaczynski is there, then he will irritate the european union there, it’s kind of useful for us, well that’s it , this is your cream or sour cream, well, that’s it, well, it will be true, there will be a dullness, but then the right, so to speak, polish, will be

very irritated by this tusk, well, you see, the problem of poland is the following, it can be to put it briefly, she wants to be an empire, being national, almost a national-nationalist state, mono-national, as it always has been, this is not, well, you understand, this is impossible. this is different, this is different, here they are, well, as it were, here, here, as it were, here is the problem, yes, well, polish, back in the tenth years, you talked about the strategy of confrontation between the usa and russia, medium-term and... urgently warned about sanctions, about the participation of ngos and foundations in the dehumanization of russia, in

preventing yeltsinism and so on, right? i understand that there are certain echoes of the same zinoviev philosophy as i i see this, yes, who 40 years ago spoke about the americanization of europe, and that europe will ultimately completely determine its course, america will be, okay, here... what lessons have been learned from the mistakes russia has made , including those to come to do, well, after all, almost 15 years have passed, well, look, the fact that i said this, yes, this is not a great merit, because in principle it is necessary, well, just to have a historical view, yes, because here we are , we often say, we curse the nineties there, and there is and there is a reason for it, yes, that's not what i'm talking about now. yes, why is it bad, we are hiding the depth of the problems behind the nineties, well, we cursed the nineties and sort

of figured it out, everything is wrong, because about... perestroika, they started in the sixties, that’s what i mean , well, first of all, the consumer society , yeah, it was completely brought to us under khrushchev , when he started, there are these... they talk about how we have food processors in every soviet apartment no worse than your food processors, that's all, and then all this it ended up that a clause was written into the charter of the communist party that the goal of the communist party is to increasingly satisfy the constantly growing material and spiritual needs of the soviet people, by the way, how can you

satisfy everything that is constantly, well, constantly growing, can anyone? logical, so to speak, well, maybe after all, the emphasis was on the spiritual, yes, on the spiritual, yes, but it was implied that this is, as it were, a cast or formula of a consumer society, when a person, this is a statement that, well, for why a person was born, they used to suffer, yes, what is the meaning of life, why did life give you, well , first of all, well, for life, no need to bother, for life just like that. for pleasure, well, life, you have to live life with pleasure, these are all these elements that arose then, by the way, the fact that the collapse of the soviet union was closed, exactly due to the lack of vcrs of canned beer and jeans, in the broad, well, note how the program it worked, well, people were promised that they

would be given all this for 30 years, but they didn’t. spiritual far from jeans, canned beer and vcrs, every soviet family will live by 200, there are generally deep things there, you know, no one understands this, we haven’t written the true history of the soviet period at all, we haven’t figured it out, that’s by the way , if we talk about the lessons that we didn’t do, then we didn’t fully do this, no one is aware of what it means to promise that they were soviet. by the year 1980 they will live in communism, yeah, that’s to each according to his needs, and from each according to his abilities, and the soviet people they came out, they saw the olympics, but they didn’t see communism in 1980, and what does that mean, and that means that, well, it’s like the authorities have gathered, it’s, well, actually, and you’re walking down the street, well, we’re of the same generation, you walk down the street and see a poster, the party’s mind,

honor and conscience are ours, so this is the mind’s honor. the conscience of our era promised that there would be communism in the year 1980, and in many of our cities oil disappeared at that time, you know, yes, that’s why all this pacifism there, so we talk there about how people feel about theirs, and i in general i think we're on on the threshold of a fairly large, well, military confrontation, how will it unfold there, i’m not a fortune teller, yes, but but again, we , as people of the same generation, remember that for the soviet people, as long as there was no war, it was official, in general, peaceful people, in belarus in general, well, relative to the population, the greatest losses of the great patriotic war are in belarus, if i’m not mistaken, a third of the population, yes, but i’m not

mistaken, because when i was a child, my father took me and. although not to brest or minsk, boy also, so that i could see it all with my own eyes, that’s why this thing was used , well, against us, because well, in what sense do we not want war, to what extent, yes, well, that is, we’ll kind of give up our mother, yes , just so that there is no war, where is this border, this is not, well, this was not discussed. and then you understand, when afghanistan happened, i’m not discussing now whether it’s necessary or not, but at the same time i definitely had to go there, so i definitely think that the military there fulfilled their task, well, but since we betrayed the soviet people then its soviet army in afghanistan, yeah, that’s where it all started, then the subsequent collapse, so to speak, yes, i didn’t send you there, we

didn’t send you there, and there was a lot of stuff like that, that’s all it was... so you understand, these are the lessons of history, here it is very important to get to the depth where something really originated to understand, respectively, how it grew and how it grew here, then you have a chance to correct something, but dmitry, you have already set these questions, yes, that many of our people fear, well they think that they are too global or vague, although for me personally it is important to live with a super idea, well, i love complex questions, this is normal, here is one of your questions, can we offer it to the world? an alternative to the system in which imposed consumption is the main content of human essence, yes life, yes life, well, we

now have, well, snickers, yes, well, it’s clear that spiritually, at some point, it sank a little, especially, as we say in at this stage the nineties, the end of the eighties, well, i just say that she i asked before, yes, you say, but in the nineties, you know, i sometimes have the feeling that the politicians themselves who came to power in the soviet union gave it a go. well, i don’t see how you could not be shy? yes, there was no need to be shy, and frankly speaking, even remembering the same zinoviev again, he clearly changed his views. at first he was an ardent anti-stalinist, to the point that he was ready to kill stalin, yes, and then in the late thirties, he created a conspiracy, yes, at the end of his life, he spoke exactly the opposite, he cursed gorbachev with his last

words, yes, but in fairness, it must be said that he came out in defense of stalin immediately after his death, because when the twentieth congress of the scientific community, the congress of opportunists, was held, it was to zinoviev. in relation to stalin, well, he attributes it, i think it’s true , many people said this, he told the scientific community that a forest girl could pee on a dead lion, yeah, well, in relation to how they mean, well, alexander alexandrovich, he was a very complex person, and in many ways a genius, but everyone a brilliant person, he always says so, well, that’s for sure, yes, that’s for sure, he is, but at the same time he’s like that, he’s talking about the soviet union. of course, there are a lot of things that are so evil, yes, he said, with characteristic sarcasm, but he always wanted to achieve its improvement and development, he believed that the fact that he wanted to do this, and

no one needed it, that’s how it was, there was such a drama, again, this is not a condemnation, not a justification, now it’s about, about whether we can replace, and, in general, in fact, as if in the ultimate form, this is a question of preservation. that’s because, of course, consumer society is only a consequence of manifestation, but because well, this process is 500 years old, it begins with the generally notorious revival and ends at its apogee with the philosopher nietzsche, who affirmed the death of god and the creation of a superman instead of god. this is one and the same thing, only one is at the beginning, and the other is at the end , because, well, this whole european part began to be built on

identification with the church and religion with god, and then came to its complete, well, absence, the question is what the project... beyond man did not take place, the european project beyond man did not take place, even despite the fact that the jungle and the blooming garden, no, this all remains, they think, well, that is, russian, that is, they have these categories, yes, the russian essence is in the foundation of european civilization, this is the main brick , that is, these are wild hordes of bears in the streets, these are just such elements that will always sound like a narrative, like this russian nature of european civilization, this is separate need to be taken apart, but here you are right, we do not disagree here, i say, but in what he did not succeed, and he

could not be a superman, even in a big sense, well, like the german superman, leading the semi-superman into the europeans, lost to the russian barbarian, you understand why they take away the memory. and somehow more than once, yes, you understand why they demolish monuments, they are not demolishing them against us, they are demolishing them for themselves, so that they don’t have a memory. that they have already lost, well, they need to finally free their people from this, finally, this is a condition new war, in order to drive a european towards a russian, well, a multinational russian, i mean here all belarusians, the rest, in order to drive a european towards a multinational russian, you need to deprive him

of the memory of what...' led, so to speak, all the previous attempts, that is, the cossacks in paris, yes, these ones, that’s why the monuments need to be removed, so first of all the monuments need to be removed, because these are the conditions for a future war, if you don’t remove them, then well, difficulties arise, that’s why this is a question of preserving man with god further, well, i think that here we have very good chances, we understand this, we are different... different layers, different groups of our society, be it russian or belarusian, in this sense it is one, like such a society, uh, they understand this, yes, and it is clear that there cannot be some kind of person there, just waved his wand, so we are in this historical search, a very meaningful search, very healthy, never so, well, so it was,

this is the first. yes, that is, we must answer that a person without god will be a different person, it’s not clear whether it will happen, yes, what will happen there, this is the first, second, of course , this is what concerns social matter, we need a society in which rights will correspond to responsibilities, this is a fundamental thing that has been thrown out. liberalism, consciously, yes, here, she must, she must return , because, you see, here, well, for the right to vote on agar, ancient greek or on the fora romana in ancient rome, for the right to vote, citizen of athens, or rome , paid with his

life, he had a place against this right. in a cohort or in a phalanx, yeah, and that’s why he voted, because if suddenly something happens, he stands with a sword and a spear until death, well, look, you just touched on this topic when you talked about our president, yes, what he is ready, yes, yes, ready, to lay down his life, so we didn’t fall apart, well, maybe i , well, in any case, i should talk about my own, yes, about belarus, first of all, the president has many... complicated things that we are now talking, explaining in simple language, and not just explaining, but we are reinforcing it, in that including in the constitution, about the fact that we have a man and a woman, about the fact that we have a historical memory, yes, about the fact that we have a religion, about how important it is to call children a boy and a girl, how important

land, native land, yes, and that ordinary... people, but this is really a real value, we hear this from our president, yes, maybe this is, well, kind of, this is the one, this is the movement in this direction, please note, here are the changes in the constitution, yours and ours are very similar, because in our latest changes appeared the word god of the constitution, the concept of family is enshrined, and so on, that’s all we get, we have a chance, there is, there is, there is, and a good chance. and in principle, you see, well, i think that in general , many people who want to remain human, in europe, in america, well, i don’t know how it will develop, but if it goes along that line there, how will it go , then a lot of people will come here, and they will hear us, in general, in principle, i mean the average european, they will hear, and those who don’t hear,

then they don’t want to. hear, having ears yes they will hear, well, this is the truth, let's move a little away from philosophy, i like it, but unfortunately, practical things are also needed, yes, i’ll touch on what we just started in the first question, i’m far from film production, yes, and you in this , don’t just stew, well, you are free in this, yes, well, no, well, let ’s be honest, there are specific films that you produced the same film. with bezurukov and dyuzhev, yes, with boyarskaya and melono, i did not conduct a full analysis, but it seemed to me that most of the actors involved in these films were after the twenty-second year. yes, they remained patriots of their country, well, i don’t know, all or not all, but sergei bezrukov, absolutely, well, i talked to lisa on the phone, we showed it for the anniversary of the film, she just couldn’t

come, well... everything is fine for me there too, well, i don’t want to, okay, but you generally expected such stigmatization of the homeland from some people, well, let’s say, in russia, people, but you know what’s the matter, i expected it, i didn’t expect it, well, it ’s always like that, well, it happens , this, well, how, how can i tell you, well, it seems to me that you are now a little be disingenuous, i’ll explain why, yes, for me every such case, i’ll say, it’s like a personal loss, no, no, no, they, and how they differ, well, as if from simple ones, well, no one owes anything to anyone, no , but there are also ordinary people who definitely. but when you are a symbol to a certain extent, you must measure your behavior with this symbolism , you understand, when i say this, i’m not making an excuse, yes, i’m not saying this as an excuse, i’m just about it, i don’t just want all this overestimate, well, overestimation , you know, like pugachev, yes, well, that’s where

more than that, well, what she did, she did, everyone has forgotten, she is not interesting to me, i don’t want to discuss all this at all, well, she did. you see, that’s it, the line is drawn, this is written, goodbye, well, for me, for example, it’s endless, that’s it, but for you personally, this is goodbye, it can have a reverse course, after that in the sense, in which i say this, no, well, when i say this, it means that to me this person in a cultural-historical sense, in fact, well, such people of this caliber , culturally creative, could claim in place, well, in some cultural and historical line of ours, yes, but i believe that kugacheva, for example , excluded herself from this and returning to this line is impossible, if you are asking whether they can legally enter the country there, no,

no, not about this, yes they can, but our law must be fulfilled, but to return in the full sense of the word, for me, no, well, for me , no, but well, there is only one, let me give a simple example, but with a lisp, in the twentieth he cursed us , i don’t know if he cursed, well, something no, it was, it was, he called the criminal did not study this, yes, then he cursed you in the twenty-second, and then he returns to the air of the federal channel, how is that? i don’t know, i, well, the management of the channel is in charge of politics. channel, yes, it’s definitely not me who is doing this, uh, well, there’s a shipelevo, i saw him there in mariupol, well, this is an indulgence, in the donbass, uh, you know, what’s the matter, that’s it, well, would be, this is a rather

complicated question, in fact, i’m not meandering, i’m not meandering now, no, i understand, precisely because i understand how difficult this question is, yes, well, a person may have the right to, well, change his point of view, yes, he must commit some actions, and what actions from your point of view will be sufficient for us to understand him? i don’t know, everyone must decide this for themselves, in general, i’ll be honest, why am i answering this question this way, i don’t think it’s that important. that’s because, well , many people switched over to the side of the enemy, including in such a

writing and creative environment there, here he is surely there is, so to speak, and even with a public position, in principle, some kind of legal elaboration is probably needed for this kind of action, and we can’t get away with just putting a marker on the agent, yeah, that’s why, because we still need legal qualification of such things by law, so that society is not in a state of frustration , so to speak, and an uncertain search for the degree of guilt, well, yes, let's be blunt, this is a state of uncertainty, where everyone develops their own criteria, and things like that, here i am this is what i mean, such things should be decided legally, yes, that is.

there should be a kind of judicial-legal qualification of guilty or innocent, that’s because, well, in the degree of public censure, well, we are there as a society, television for example, or writing there, well, i can express my censure to those who did something, so, but this is nothing more than that , i’m not a court, and calling for something to be done in relation to a person is also such a, well, kind of thing, well, strange, you need legal qualifications, and you need a legal judgment, a court decision, guilty, not guilty, then there will be clarity, because you see, right there, well, it’s like about repressions, well said, dovlatov, in my opinion.

comrade stalin, of course, did this, and we don’t like him for it, well, i’m close to the text , but i have a question, you wrote 5 million denunciations, yeah, or four, he said there, 4 million denunciations, that’s why this is a slippery topic, everyone, firstly, on the one hand, everyone must decide for themselves how to do this. rush, on the other hand there should be, well , after all, the law is the space where some kind of these are such complex questions, in the space of the law there must be a criterion, absolutely clearly formulated, right? it’s amazing, yes, in the 20th century, instead of the whole world exploring new planets

, evolving correctly, developing technologies, we are again forced to face this social monstrosity called fascism, we all see how the situation is developing on the southern borders on our western borders, the level of terrorist danger is really high, there will be more provocations, attempted terrorist attacks on the territory there will be more belarus, there will be more attempts to destabilize, especially by the 24th year of elections. that’s what’s interesting, it’s impossible to demonize, we have created such a unique model of our state, which, during the turbulence in which the whole world has found itself, we ensure security and peace, and we will destroy fascism and there is no other way, the project is objective, do not miss new

episodes on the tv channel belarus 24. on air news at noon in the studio elizaveta lokhotko, hello, in this issue. sharp escalation in the middle east, information about there were no casualties reported from the explosions in israel or belarus. loss of an ally, the provisional government of slovakia. the cessation of further military assistance