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the screens. tv, let's get started, good evening, listen, well, our country, so in jokes were often called a country where bears walk the streets, yes , after that we should probably remember that belarus is the birthplace of the bison, so it turns out that some villagers talk about bison being trampled, for example, productive. well, it seems like we are saving them, they seem to be in the red book, there are a lot of them, we literally talked there a few years ago about the need to do something with the bears, otherwise they will walk along the city streets, the joke turns into reality, for example, in the village of boravlyany near minsk already we saw a bear several times, and well, on the one hand, it seems to be a good video that gets a lot of likes, on the other hand, when you see a bear in front of you , you even remember some article from

wikipedia that this is one of the most . animals, well, at least of our range, then you understand that something is probably wrong with this, and so i just can’t understand whether this is good or bad, well, i really don’t fully understand, that is, us, you know, as in a joke, nature has purified itself so much that there are more teeth and bears, pavel antonovich, tell me what happened from a scientific point of view, it seems like the red book began to take effect, or something happened to nature and ecology. that we really have a lot of animals , they come to people, are not afraid of people, in the end they shoot bison so that they even make stew out of him, what is this? or the red book no longer works or does it work? this is the result, the red book works, in general this is the result of such a consistent policy

states in the field of protection of the rational use of wild animals, and this suggests that not only the protection of rare endangered species has improved, but also, say , the principles of managing wild animal populations have improved, the efficiency of management has improved, the overall understanding of citizens and the discipline of citizens in relation to, again, listen, well, when you see a bear on the street, it’s not a matter of discipline, i don’t know what to do about it, but on the other hand, everyone blames us for not we and the bears are civilized. they walk on the streets, and you say that, on the contrary, they are too civilized, it turns out they have become, you know , their populations are growing, and if we are talking about the bear, then let’s take it not historically, let’s take it 15-20 years ago, the bear mainly lived in the territory of vitebsk region, this was the core of the population, there was, look how many bears we have, and this information, yes, they lived in the berezensky nature reserve and the north of the vitebsk

region, thanks to protection... thanks, in general, to the understanding of citizens, the number the population grows and when it is formed, it reaches its certain capacity, already young individuals who have grown up, they do not have enough space, territory, they begin to populate new ones, you know, with regards to the red book, there is a certain even psychological nuance here, here when they teach us at school, they tell us that these animals are few and far between, and they are rare, which is why they are listed in the red book. that’s why they are so very important for us, that’s why everyone at the dacha kills the medians, although they are in the red book, yes, because they are dangerous and scary, you know, the medians are not the most popular, we are now talking about bears, lynxes, bison, and so i am still tatyana vladimirovna, i want to immerse the audience in our off-screen, behind-the-scenes conversation when we were discussing that very a sensational story about how a few years ago, first bison sausage appeared, then bison stew,

although it costs 7 rubles. although those who come to beloverskaya pushcha seem to know that this story was not born yesterday, on the one hand, yes, we understand what it means there is such a possibility, that means quantity... this allows, on the other hand, somehow this psychological moment, well, it seems like this is our symbol, the red book, and we eat it, and we eat it, yeah, well, for today with regard to the bison, we have the only species that has a so-called binary status , that is, there are bison that are protected, and there are bison that are allowed to be hunted, we occupy first place in the world in terms of the number of free-living bison, in general in the territory , there are over 2,700 of them. for today day, taking into account our capacity of our territory, we understand that this is a large, large mammal that, as it were, requires large territories, and based on these points, based on the fact that there are certain criteria for the transfer of bison

to the reserve gene pool, these are bison that are allowed to hunt, these are old bison, these are bison that sick, born dormouse would like to cross out of the red book so that there would be an understanding that these are no longer endangered animals. it turns out that these bison of the reserve gene pool are just not belong to the red book, only the main gene pool belongs to the red book, these are those individuals that in the future can somehow influence the population, the reserve gene pool is allowed to be obtained, the species is completely removed from the red book, today there is no such talk, because we have a well-established established mechanism that allows you to regulate the number, and so it is precisely those bison that are old, sick, injured or or born with deviations, they are allowed... they are hunted, they are made into stew, that is, they are not made from those species, from those individuals that are potentially important, look, i’ll tell my own story, being in belozhskaya pushcha , coming to breakfast in the morning, i received a breeding from a bison, well, naturally surprise, because

you seem to say, well, actually , this animal is in the red book, where it says, hunters came, shot it, this animal is quite large, there are 600-700 kg of meat, they took away a certain head there. conditionally for a trophy, a certain amount of meat, everything else that goes for processing, they feed tourists for the berezovsky meat processing plant makes stew, which they sell; it actually costs 7 rubles. katyana vladimirovna, to conclude the topic of bisons, although maybe we will of course return to this, but maybe to us , you say, we have the largest population, yes, maybe foreign colleagues turn to us asking us to share, maybe we are already planning to share with someone, yes, i want to tell you that other countries have such an interest and... this year we have already transported about ten individuals to the russian federation, there are now plans to transport two individuals to china, that is, this is an animal that, in principle, is of potential interest to other countries, and we are also

ready to share these animals in order to create a new china by plane, we have now discussed for a long time with an order how they can after all, they will fly there, i think that they will fly, everything will be fine, we are working with all interested government agencies , including the veterinary department, and i think that we will definitely deliver these teeth aleksanovich, tell me what to do with bear, here i am a hunter, suppose i go out in borovlyany, there is a bear sitting in my yard, i am afraid of him, i can do it for you, i can shoot him, i can tell you what to do, we have developed a whole a mechanism for how to act in such situations, every local executive body has a commission, you promptly report this information, i will report it to the commission, well , imagine, a bear, well, actually, that’s what i should do, i’m an official hunter, yes a hunter, you don't need a gun, you see we quietly walked around the bear, let him go on his way, that is, let him walk, we just film them, but

the most important thing is not to run after him and not to try to film him, today not a single bear has shown this on his own some kind of aggression towards a person, seeing us, on the contrary, they try to avoid this conflict situation, they come to the population. well, somehow it’s good, but the bison, i just really talked to the chairman of the sec, who is located not far from the nalibotskaya pushcha, he says that the bison problem, because the potato field is trampled down once, they went through everything, it’s gone, what to do with the bison, i, i ’ll tell you, yes, the bison was saved by hunting twice, in itself, yes, once in in the 19th century, when there were no more teeth left, they survived not because it was the royal game in the belel forest, right? he was guarded there, that’s why he survived there, yes, in our time, again , why are we today talking about the fact that there are a lot of teeth, at one time users were interested in hunting, yes, in order to further resettle bison, they were told you take everything teeth, you get so many, everything that you can confiscate from above, yes, in fact

, what is happening now, yes, in fact, to me, we are talking further today, let’s generally transfer to hunting species, yes, today we have state grant for the right to hunt, for which we can resettle game animals, and if the bison is a game animal, resettle it for the hunters’ money, and more, that is, take it from these populations where there is too much of it and resettle it where it is not there, well, where are they now with us, they are with us found only in the brest region, belozhskaya forest. but we can shoot them only where in the pushcha no we can any animal that has been transferred to the reserve gene pool, that is , the one we talked about, please, they are hunted, but as for what was preserved thanks to hunting, i i would argue, they saved it, because certain measures were taken , including protection, today, yes , there is already an opportunity to shoot some of the bison and hunt them, but initially,

in order to achieve this rational use in the future, it is necessary first to preserve the species to the number that will ensure its, let’s say, long-term conservation, okay, yuevich, i have a question for you, if we are now talking about what, in principle, can be reconsidered or is it time i would like to review the red book and the list of animals listed in the red book, but now they are saying that there may actually be teeth. bears, what is your opinion on this matter, is it necessary to take such a step, or are some temporary permitting measures enough, and then we'll see, because the situation may change, who could have imagined, well, i'm certainly not a biologist, but it seems to me that few could have imagined that we would have fences there, and on our western border, including migration, there would be animals are violated and we, which will lead to certain consequences, well, of course, we must accept us here, for the most part they blame us for the fact that

we took the floor, that is, the belarusian society of hunters and fishermen directly came up with this initiative, for the bear, there is the lynx, more a couple of red book species, that is, we directly as hunting users, we look from two sides, that is, if we take a bear, this is, accordingly, the safety of the population, because he began to be seen more often, on the second side, he went out, looked, walked around, went, collected a commission, not the best from the second? the parties are predators, we are still a hunting user, we raise animals, we hunt, we earn some money from this, so competitors for us, this, of course, is not very good, and the more of them there are, the correspondingly we this is worse, well, tourists from abroad come to us, how much does it cost, and most importantly, i know that the prices are different for belarusians and russians, of course, that’s how they differ, well, for belarusians the prices are quite loyal. that is, we have an example of at least the same thing, i don’t know, let’s take a wild boar or

a roe deer; we don’t give an example of a boar right now , we have it as a separate species, but if we take an elk, that is, well, let’s take the average cost of 600 rubles, this is an adult for belarusians the elk is large, not a trophy, it costs 600 rubles. if take, citizens of the russian federation , then it’s somewhere around 100 dollars, let’s explain to those who are not particularly in the subject, the difference between trophy and non-trophy ones, well, trophy ones are from three shoots for each. horn, that is, depending on the horn, that is, the larger the horn, the higher its cost, but for citizens of the european union it is even more expensive, that is, it depends on the trophy, that is , it goes there, they don’t need meat, as a rule , they go only for the trophy, and there the numbers can reach five and 10,000 dollars, well, okay, there are, for example, specific orders, i want to shoot a bison, i understand that in the pushcha, for example, they prepare such stories , well, of course, hunters call, they book a hunt, they directly, as a rule, everyone goes... for a specific purpose, that is

, foreigners, they don’t they just go for an idea, they go for a walk, often they go, they set themselves the task of getting certain trophies , they order, they go and prepare for the hunt, this is the most expensive hunt, just to understand, this is the most expensive trophy that is possible in belarus to get it, it's a fight, yes a fight, zubor zubor, how much? well, for example, i want to come somewhere in the pushcha and get a bison, approximately how much i owe. well, you have to understand that trophy hunting is a contract hunt, yes, that is, the hunt user , as he suggests, yes, he always wants to set the price higher, yes, the hunter, maybe he’s at least trying to save money, but this is all negotiable, but the most successful ones , the contracts for the extraction of the same tooth reached up to 4,500 euros, but as i understand it, we are good at trading such... stories due to the fact that since

we are talking about the fact that we have a lot of teeth, there are a lot of bears, in principle we have a lot of animals that we could, yes, of course , if we take the same bear, this is for today, today they can be shot in general, bears are not allowed, but the situation is the following, if the commission goes to some then at a certain moment it needs to be shot, such decisions are made, then it’s just shooting and it is disposed of, at the same moment we can, we started talking about the same wild boars, but in principle we have boars lately... they are not being harvested and that’s the reason it’s still the same, it’s, well, why aren’t they mined, our wild boar was destroyed until the end, until october 2022, shooting was carried out in order to minimize the number of wild boar, for the same purposes

the legislation was revised; currently, within a year, we have been harvesting wild boar and using it for our own needs. that is, in principle, well, sort of, that is, you can go wild boar, but we have some that are prohibited, say, according to veterinary rules, like this animal, which cannot be hunted, no, according to veterinary rules, decisions are made based on the results examination of the killed animal, well, kiril most likely means the story that was associated with this with these diseases that these animals suffered, when there were outbreaks, but then it would be that the wild boar is. the reduction in the number of wild boars is still ongoing, because this is not only epizoic security, it is also food security, it is economic security, the entire hay production of the republic was at stake

, look at the situation in the border countries, outbreaks of infectious diseases number in the hundreds disease, therefore, in order to minimize , once again, the number of wild boar in order to protect our pig farming, such a decision was made, we have not deviated from it, we continue to work for these purposes, yeah, only for the past year, but how is this control is carried out, you come after some time, check these animals, or something, well, we’re talking about the fact that everything has passed the disease, you can hunt, no, state monitoring is carried out, state monitoring is carried out, now users are entrusted with finding, in case of changes pathanatomical, inform the veterinary service, samples are taken, studies are carried out and conclusions are issued, uh-huh, vladimir aleksandrovich , i mentioned above that few could have imagined that the situation in our border area would change so much, animals would face

additional obstacles, now of course, these videos look very cute, like a lynx or a bear or someone else... trying to get into our territory, but in most cases, i think, they still suffer a painful death in an attempt to overcome this obstacle. how did this affect our biological diversity in general, and mm, if we assume that the poles there are going to decide whether they will demolish the fence or not, then the situation will return to normal, will it somehow change? what do you predict? well, absolutely. the influence of the fence affected the population, it was actually a division, yes, we see that what existed for centuries without a border, yes, that is , including the population of the belovezhsky bison, and so on, now, uh, is not happening, which means

moving the beast, uh, these are the actual ones these spirals, bruno and so on, they, well, limit, uh, this is, well, an almost impassable path, yes, uh, science has studied, uh, including there were various, various, uh, meetings on this matter, uh, they tried to convey, letters were written, yes, to, but, well, they haven’t been heard yet, and i think that if this continues, then of course there will be a negative impact, it will continue to affect the population, that is, if the fence, pavel antonovich, well everyone said that the fence is primarily a political story, but you can’t explain it to animals, it really had an impact, because well, our ecologists, environmentalists, scientists said that well, this is a problem, well, look, the belarskaya pushcha is, one might say, the oldest forest in europe, yeah, and this is a single

reserve, it is included in list of world heritage, its uniqueness lies in the fact that it is a transboundary reserve, that is, part of the territory is located on... and we simply took and divided a single unique forest, and those territories that were primarily affected were those that were located on the territory of poland, because biodiversity may get hurt since, yes, there was, firstly, a single bison population, a problem arose, the second point is... our numbers are growing , we say the bear population is growing in poland , the bear is found only in the south in the mountains in some places, but here for the first time over many years in poland, in the territory... a bear has also appeared in poland, this has increased the biodiversity of this territory, and the construction of a fence, it already prevents

the movement of large predators, wolves, lynx, bear, that is, genetic, you need to understand that for the population predators genetic diversity is very important, they are small populations, and the erection of obstacles on migration routes has a negative impact, well, here we can say that they fled to the left, now they will run to the right, well, that is, russia is big, we have on the other hand, you see, the issue of managing populations of wild animals, as i can tell you, you always need to look a few steps ahead, i would like to return a little now to the conversation about the red book and why there seem to be a lot of animals species, but it remains in the red book, the thing is that we come to know how the average temperature in the hospital, some have

20, and some have 40, yes, on average it turns out to be 36.6, so and the situation is such that somewhere there are populations, bison, where there is a high density, we will take osipoviche, we will take the regional forest, quite significant damage is actually caused there, rural, well, in volozhin a little less, but also in volozhin there is a problem with agriculture, but in general... if we take belarus, then there are places where this type no, the same goes for bears, if we take some gorodok region , if we take the area of ​​the berezensky nature reserve, the number of bears is quite high, but if we take the grodno region, bressk, gomel region, and the minsk region, yugma region, then bear density is actually low, that is, you are against changing the list, the list of animals in the red book, you see, i am in favor of us coming up. weighed, as for the bear, we, we are now

monitoring, we cannot, you know, somewhere the bear has appeared, and many videos are being sent to me, yes, the number of bears has increased, let’s say, according to the information that citizens give, but this is not a scientific approach, now we have worked on the issue, and the video was immediately sent out, now we have worked on the issue of such a unified methodological. according to the bear registration, we will monitor it based on this data , we will make a decision, what else can we say, that in fact, again, we are combing everything with the same brush, either black or white, and either this or that, but but let's say a bear, it is in the red book, but if a situation arises where a person is in danger, in fact, he, he, this animal is subject to confiscation, i remember it still

needs to be collected, if a bear goes to an apiary or a bear walks somewhere near a populated area, believe me , he will walk around and pose a danger, which means he poses a danger, if this animal once , for some unknown reason, dropped into some populated area, ran away from there just as quickly and then this commission cannot find him, it is clear that he is not of any danger imagines, but if it’s always a bear on the coat of arms... tell me, this is the hype with bears, it actually attracts hunters here who are going to go after these bears, well, again, take the same russia, but they looked at the fact that there are bears near minsk, they looked, they read how many, there are applications for bears, in fact , there are many more bears in russia than in belarus , and this is what they tell us in the west, there are more bears walking on the street, although it is officially open, the russians are definitely here for they won't ride a bear, but have europeans stopped coming to us because of the sanctions, or are they coming? the majority have stopped, that is, they are traveling, but a very small number, mostly they are still citizens of the russian federation, so you need

to understand that, uh, the list of hunting species, hunters in no case want to destroy any species, so that it does not exist at all, that is, we are in favor of conservation, but if we take the list of hunting species, if we take the same red deer, five years ago on our farms 50% of farms did not shoot it in general, because there are instructions according to which... it shoots, although it was a hunting species, now 90% of our farm shoots it, that is, we are engaged and the number is growing, so no one can say that if the bear is a hunting view, there will be less of it, maybe there will be more of it. aleksanovich, well, in fact, we are now talking about the fact that in some places we have a lot , in others we have little, but i think the story is so circular, on the one hand, if there are a lot of bears, conditionally in the same borovlyany, in the grodno region there are no, but if there are a lot of them in the grodno region, well, somehow... we really are probably used to living with bears - well , side by side, but on the other hand, we are now in the 21st century, it’s like we’re going a little into the forest

completely - then to others, well, what about hunters? how to react to this, or that a lot of bears appeared, and then someone had to howl with the same wolves, they begin to bully the sheep there, they came and shot the wolves, i kind of imagine it this way, well, in general, it’s like being a hunter, you just picked up the gun i went there and shot someone, you can’t, yes, that is, there must be permits, you have to get a ticket there, get a permit, it was there that you left the house, saw a bear, shot it, that’s reluctance, that’s some kind of poaching, but that’s it. everything must be in accordance with the permitting documents, and today we have a lot of animals today, yes, today we have 45,000 deer, 47,000 elk, 130,000 roe deer, and so, according to all historical reports, take, well, 300-400 years, there were not so many animals in our territory, yes, theirs there are just a lot, there are probably more bears here, because the food supply is getting better, and how many hunters do we have in the country officially? we officially have 96,000 hunters, those who

have a state certificate, of which about 48 pay state duty annually. these are the ones who they go hunting every year, and everyone else seems to have a permit, but they don’t renew it, they don’t seem to, well, some went, some didn’t, in order to be a hunter, you need to meet certain criteria, you double check somehow these people, of course, of course, are still checked , they pass exams when people go to become hunters, yes, that is, they receive a medical certificate when they renew their weapons, that is, here we have it very clearly and streamlined, but it is necessary to say that hunting is gradually, unfortunately, but somehow it’s going away, going away... going away gradually, yes , because there are fewer hunters, or the culture of hunting is lower, no, the culture, by the way, on the contrary, it has grown by several orders of magnitude up, in terms of the fact that young people, they somehow less interested in this direction, but these gadgets go around, computers, they probably don’t even go to zoos, but let’s just say this, these virtual ones are creating a great alternative, so we, together with the hunters’ society, are working a lot on

this in order to return to this, so that we don’t have a situation like i remember about yogurt, first you will run for half a day to take photos, then run for half a day to take photos, yes, because there may be a situation like in japan, yes, when they pay extra to hunters to catch animals, we may have such a story, not yet, yet, well, for example, if some large population of an animal appears, an animal that will pose a problem for us, well , look, they often cite , for example, the same beavers, who, of which there are quite a lot, who lead a fairly active lifestyle, and we are engaged in land reclamation there, and with their huts they do all our work, there were some problems, they had been with these beavers a little earlier, but let's say it's forest day today the farm realized that beavers are a good thing, you see, the beaver dammed some small river there, yes, water appeared, the level of groundwater rose, with the current droughts,

yes, this is very good, let’s say they hold back water... eat them regulation, listen, we’re not really touching on the topic of poachers, number aleksanovich, i can ask, because well, i understand perfectly well what we can talk about, people who go out, people shoot, they absolutely don’t care about these laws, but again, i have such a paradoxical question, it may not be so poaching is always evil, if , relatively speaking, a bear terrorizes a village, right? and well, for example, it took a long time to create the same commission, collect a gun of duty, some local ivanovich came out, shot this bear, in fact, that’s where the story ended, he’s a poacher, and well, according to the law, yes, according to the law, yes so here - you need to understand that there is, well , no one will love from the shoulder, if it is said that the question is about the protection of property, then in

the legislation these mechanisms exist before that the law allows the owner to use a weapon to repel an attack by an animal for the purpose of self-defense - this is a weapon, yes, here is a subtle point , a bear, yes, that is, the red line is a bear walking or it causes harm or danger to life of a person, talk about anything can happen, we are globally going down in particular now, but the point is that if suddenly a person is near... an animal, he killed this bear, but what should he do about it, because it’s clear that if he comes to the authorities there and says that my friends, like this the situation has happened, will begin questions, we will find out where the economic belarusian wanted meat in the refrigerator, of course there will be questions, but always, always the circumstances, the use

of weapons were established, all factors were assessed and, well, a simple hunter did not suffer from the fact that he was protecting his property there or his health and so on, you know, he killed an animal listed in the red book, that everyone attacked him, that you were so ah-ah-ah, did you have to do that? you know, a double-edged sword, an animal listed in the red book, we are now talking about the fact that teeth are being shot, if you can kill a bear, but here he is the first one, the animal listed in the red book immediately says, well, that’s good, but we have a culture of hunting, we have poachers, for example, there are more of them, there are fewer of them, of course poaching has become less, this is an obvious fact, this can be stated by the number of the beast, because here it is such an objective moment that cannot be played along, fabricated, but we see that the beast remains...' they are more afraid of you or there is more culture, or both or a fence i think or a fence yes no definitely and

there is certainly a role for the inspection in this; game users also work here; animals are also being resettled here, and there are measures aimed at increasing numbers; everything here, everything here cannot be separated separately; for example, poaching ; working with poaching; is the hunter better, more law-abiding, as they say; or the game users there have become better at work? , all together, only talc, it’s not worth highlighting separately, but it’s worth noting that, of course , facts of poaching, of course, still remained, this shaft was knocked down, of course, the shaft was knocked down, and now we are talking about such isolated facts that are not of a drinking nature? irina ivanovna, a question for you, we will now move on to the second part, to domestic animals, the question is this: control of our wild animals is carried out using some modern method, such as chipping, banding, so that we know where they are, who walks, some gsm sensors, something like that is being done , well, this is no longer a question for the veterinary

service, that is, in principle, this does not concern you, no, no, those animals that are kept outside will, wild animals, naturally, they are microchipped, and they have rings, because these are all practically exotic animals, those that are in the wild, no, that is, well, just to the point that we will now move on to this topic, just to understand how deeply this topic, for example, is connected with wild animals. this is essentially, we continue the conversation, our little brothers, we devoted the first part of the program to hunting, and now we will talk about those who live closer to us, i think that many of those who are present at... eat homemade animal, and one way or another this issue concerns everyone, at the same time, there is also such a moment here, well, political, or something

, as it turned out, after 2020, there are many organizations that united compassionate citizens and that want to help the homeless animals, cats, dogs, they want to somehow ease their lot, they were doing, well, in fact, completely different things. well, for example , the ahoshek of batkovism, yes, suddenly i suddenly changed my shoes, in august of the twentieth year, and they didn’t walk along the streets of our city with little birds, yes, that is, this is the situation took place, it is clear that over these 3 years, such organizations have been cleared out, the head of state spoke about this in the brest region, and alexander lukashenko also noted that, nevertheless, the problem of cruelty to animals has not gone away, they also need in our support, in our care for these creatures and creatures, in general , it is important that we still

help them in some way, and maria vasilyevich, our deputy and the initiator of the bill on the treatment of animals, on the responsible treatment animals, unfortunately, i couldn’t today to be with us, but prepared a short comment, i asked her about who should bear more responsibility, citizens, states or private organizations, let's listen, if responsibility for animals, for pets lies with the owners, they will - in good faith bear this responsibility, then we will be able to get rid of all the pressing problems and issues that now exist in society, since stray animals appear due to the fact that unscrupulous owners get rid of these pets, they multiply uncontrollably on the streets, some contagious diseases and subsequent related problems appear, so a responsible attitude of the owners will help them

solve all the issues that currently exist in society, and if we can solve this main, fundamental problem, then we will not need to allocate additional budget funds for the maintenance of stray animals, for the construction of new... shelters or an increase in funds for the capture of stray animals, additional treatment or vaccination against rabies of stray animals, and therefore, the entire law, most of...' the law is built on building this system to increase and control responsible treatment of animals by their owners. well, i will note that we have been working on this draft law for quite a long time, now there is a public discussion, some of its points are very debatable, among the proposals there is mandatory microchipping of pets, and some actually smile and grin when it comes to... about this, they say,

we don’t have any more problems in our country, yes, like this to deal with animals, mikhail vladimirovich, i have a question for you, how often do people turn to us for help, or based on facts of cruelty to animals, maybe we ’ve made up our minds after all, maybe it’s not so, maybe it’s just a couple of videos from internet , listen, well, there are several cases that came to the attention of the president, in fact , such, even this is understandable, but there were such cases, well, i don’t know, is this a lot or a little? i’ll give you some statistics, here are the criminal acts involving animals, for example, in the twenty-first year 31 were committed, in twenty-second 34, for 9 months of the twenty-third year 22, whether this is a lot or a little, i don’t know, well, at least murder, this was just addressed to you, this is what became known, let’s say, yes that’s it, this is at least at least less than the number of murders registered in people's relationships, but again this is what we know, where citizens turned, what has become... the state of the public, what has appeared on the internet, in

the media, crimes are quite latent, hidden , we don’t know many facts, but at the same time, in order to consider an act criminal, it is necessary in order for several factors to coincide, firstly, it is necessary that this act entail injury or death of an animal, and at the same time it was committed from hooligan or other base motives, or in the presence of a known minor, then this will be considered years of imprisonment, and , if injury or death of an animal occurs, but the act was not committed out of hooliganism or in the presence of a minor, then liability for this is already provided for by the code of administrative offences. here is sergevich, i have a paradoxical question, we all understand perfectly well that hunting is

the killing of an animal. are there any specific rules for hunters, yes, how this animal should be hunted , this is the line, yes, between abuse of an animal and killing an animal, in terms of what is called the law, are there any specific there are these fine lines, of course, well, firstly , among hunters this is not called killing, it is still the extraction of an animal, it is considered, understandable, we even talk about this, so we have deadlines, firstly, hunting , when is that... allowed to do so, there is a gender structure that can be hunted, that is, you can only hunt certain species there , of a certain gender, age, and of course there is a hunter’s code, when there is an unwritten rule, that is, do not shoot there at game sitting on the water, there do not shoot at leshki, that is, so that everything is in accordance with the unwritten rules, therefore , as a rule, hunters try to get the animal, so that it is without any suffering and without everything else, that is, this... therefore, there are

certain hunting tools that are used, there are carbines, rifled, hollow-barreled weapons, for each type there is a specific weapon that helps quickly and without any questions, nature, yes, of course i ’m not a hunter, but i imagine that you are still, yes, in the forest, on a large territory, and there you can still use cunning and intelligence somewhere, but try, i don’t know, to fight animals, well, in a certain sense, we can say, after all, it’s also shooting, well, relatively speaking, animals that are sick , there is such a story, yes, that when you you regulate the number, about domestic animals, domestic animals after all, i understand, i now eagerly want to finish, that is, in this case there is a certain humanism, well, such a conditional one, but we must understand that the state regulates as a conditional story, which is called hobby, but at the same time it regulates the number of animals, makes control over those animals that need to be shot, right? yes, of course, it's all under control. an appropriate

seizure plan is drawn up based on the situation, yes, that is what is being taken is the surplus, and the animal, which can be removed without harm to any population, yes, you correctly said that it is also envisaged that the hunting farm will remove sick or injured animals, yes, that is, the hunting user, having discovered such a sick or injured animal, he is obliged seize it, yes, that is, he must invite a veterinarian or even seize it himself, yes, draw up an act , let’s say, well, show that it is... the animals were obtained, including from the point of view of some sanitary maintenance of lands in proper order, well, even in this there are regulations, there are regulations, but still, if we opposed a domestic animal? this is, after all, an animal that obviously does not expect any threat from a person, but listen to this, every day it feeds it, strokes its fur, and then suddenly it decided to slam its head against the wall on the benches and so on, what am i talking about, that is it turns out that

the need to regulate our relationships with our smaller brothers has indeed arisen, and based on those provisions, which i saw in the draft law are taking shape. this means that society is maturing, because as they say, the culture of a society is judged by how they treat animals, but at the same time, regardless of whether this bill is adopted, it will not be important that everything works, right? i also have a question, everything is written in theory. we are talking about chipping, yes, we are also talking about responsibility, that every citizen will have to walk around with a bag and be ready to clean up after their animal, but in fact, it is clear that this will require a lot

strong preparation, in order for these measures to work, it is necessary that, well, if someone does not comply, they understand that there will be punishment for this, accordingly, the burden on local authorities increases, the load there, including on the law, increases. authorities, are we ready for the fact that in order to pay attention to this, anastasia aleksandrovna, well, i think that all this will fall on the local authorities, but on your service, yes, so they say that now you must almost go through apartments, count cats and dogs, and almost you should to control how they go to the toilet, well, nothing has been decided yet, but today this work is already being carried out, the rules for keeping pet dogs and cats are in effect. as well as the catching of stray animals in populated areas of the republic of belarus, in general, local authorities have organized this work to monitor compliance with these rules, and scheduled raid inspections are carried out by specialists from utility companies, together with

internal affairs bodies, and inspections are carried out in courtyard areas on control over walking dogs, well, look, you most likely, if you go through the editors, in the police language of operational developments, that is, you were told that somewhere in a five-story building, on the fourth floor, grandmother so-and-so lives there with 23 cats, you came and looked , how they live, for example, i have a cat, i know that he is vaccinated, i know that he is purebred, but no one knows for sure that he lives with us, well, here he is the belly lives too, yes, i agree, no questions asked, but i understand that on the one hand i’m kind of like i’m not breaking the law, on the other hand, i...’ what should i do, well, i bear some kind of responsibility for it, of course, but what kind? responsibility, not to allow violations of the rules, to treat animals cruelly, to comply, and there are many people like me, whom

you don’t know, there are many, you can’t keep track of everyone, so the question arises with itself, just as they discussed and recalled behind the scenes with colleagues they are stories, they are a little older than me, they recalled stories of how belarusians... taught order, how they taught not to cross the road at a red light, for which now yes, everyone smiles and says that we don’t cross the road like that even at night, and at almost every pedestrian crossing there was a law enforcement officer , in general, he controlled this process until a habit developed, so it turns out that mikhail vladimirovich and his colleagues will have to follow almost every belarusian and be on duty near every site where they walk their bellies; this is called prevention , that’s right, yes, it’s called prevention, well , you need to understand that the draft law has not yet determined the government agency that will the sphere of control of the co., but this activity will be, either it will be housing and communal services or it will be the ministry of internal affairs, it is still unclear, this will be a law, most likely there will be a resolution of the council

of ministers, which will delimit all these concepts, well, the ministry of internal affairs is always like with us - then here on the front line, i agree, the only thing, returning to the law, i want to say that i really liked the norm, we also already thought about it and wanted to add it to the code of administrative offenses. the law states that it provides for the possibility of temporary restrictions on animal ownership. well, this same story happened with a woman whose dog was taken away, and this story reached the head of state, yes, yes, and he now lives with baskov, but after some time she took a shepherd dog, yes. and which was also taken away in the end, so such a norm is provided, and we want to put the same norm in the code of administrative offenses, that is , if a person is caught in cruelty to animals, for a while the animal can

be good, how will we control this here an animal was seized from him, but how do we control that he has more? yes, as i understand it, for some time he could not get this animal, but that is, it’s one thing if he buys a purebred dog with a pedigree with an agreement with all the matters, it’s completely different or completely different when he took the cat at the entrance, what did he start, or will you come to him to check, well, not you, but globally as well? that's what you said, this is prevention, including a ban, we came and checked, if there are violations, for this will happen if this eventually falls on your department, well , well, just for understanding, yes, i want to understand how we will count everyone, here is chipping, it makes it possible to track where they are all, no, look, our situation is a little different, since 2007 we have been keeping records of wild animals kept in captivity, all wild animals that are subject to: the citytest convention on an international agreement, the red book, or those that require permission to be removed from the wild environment,

registration is required, no, over we have 6,000 animals registered today, we are ready to share our experience, but the fact is that we are responsible for wild animals, there are domestic animals, there are wild ones, this bill, which is currently being developed, is also important for us from that point view that in addition to the fact that there will be rules regarding the rules of keeping pets, there will also be a clearly delineated responsibility of each government agency, who is responsible for what, because in society in general there is a misunderstanding regarding whose competence cats fall, you know, there’s a story like in a hollywood movie , a police force for animals should be created, well, something like that, because well, let’s do this, first we need to count them, right, well it’s a big deal to rewrite all these animals that are there, you know approximately all your animals in the forest,

that’s all. well, if these are, relatively speaking, socially dangerous groups, as with children, because if they can do whatever they want with children, then with animals, you know what i thought, who will to punish, now i know what i was thinking, because it’s a little bit, may the ministry of internal affairs forgive me, but if the district police officer is one whom generally all the residents of the area know, then approximately. understands that this family is prosperous, dysfunctional, that there are five children there, seven there, and 25 cats live here, and that is , in this way some kind of picture emerges, potentially dangerous - there may be outbreaks, anastasia alexandrna, well, tell me, how you are counting them now, now, if i get a cat, i should just make a gesture on my own, with enthusiasm and say, i have a cat of such and such a breed, so many years old, they will smile at you and tell you, go , well, today is no longer... in zheu the procedure for registering animals has changed, but you have to come to one window of the district administration,

you are really right to say, this responsibility is provided for by the rules, the owner is obliged to come to register and the rules prohibit the keeping of unregistered pets, there is, well, what is my responsibility, you know, it’s the same with us, why did we learn, for example, to cross the road on green color only, because the fines are large , and liability is provided if the owner of a pet keeps... in an apartment an unregistered dog or cat up to 15 basic units is provided without warning immediately to without warning like this and here they write to us how much per 1 square i need an apartment, or rather, how many square meters are needed for one cat or large dogs to live in? are there any norms? there are no such norms . we have restrictions on the number of wild animals. separate requirements for conditions containing 20 km per person yes per dog no no.

specific footage must also be observed in temperature conditions, humidity and the like, everything that corresponds to your species , as i understand it, the comfort of the animal is at the forefront, so that in the end it feels good, and for pets, it is good for them, the question is how many cats can you have in an apartment, let’s say 60 km, but there are no restrictions on the area, there are standards for the number of cats per family living in an apartment, this is no more than two. animal, cat or a dog, or a cat and a dog, and if several tenants are registered in an apartment, then there is no more than one animal per tenant’s family, but subject to the consent of all adults registered in this apartment, the second question is, was anyone fined for a violation, that’s how much we are based on such precedents, that for example , i have more animals or an unregistered animal, so that we say, well , look, someone was fined, of course, they were fined, this work is being carried out. and such facts are revealed, and as a rule, as it has already been said that the neighbors signal, because when there are a large

number of animals in an apartment it is often impossible to comply with sanitary standards, this is not easy. i didn’t register it, there are such cases, of course, if it’s vindictive neighbors, it’s like in the traffic police, when you parked your car in the wrong place, they came and removed it, then they say, the neighbors called you, but just stand there normally, everything is fine here, everything -it seems to me that the difference in approaches, as i say, between wild animals and between those who live as pets in apartments, again, it is important that they do not cause discomfort to neighbors, people, and what is meant by discomfort, well, relatively speaking, we have a restriction that after 11 pm we cannot make noise, rattle or crowd loudly, so as not to disturb, so that everyone sleeps peacefully, and

as for animals, it often happens that they complain, but there is a dog at home alone all day and endlessly barks there, causing discomfort or... the code can sit there all day alone at home yelling, purely theoretically they can contact the authorities with such a problem , a of course, they and the owners can be subject to administrative penalties for such acts, because according to the rules for keeping pets, the owners must provide them with proper maintenance, including, they should not make noise when this is in principle prohibited, if during the day. well, you know, it’s a difficult question, of course, but this is already a question of the responsibility of the person himself, how he organizes the maintenance, but we have cases, for example, for the fact that a dog is barking or some other administrative punishment for that what's that neighbors betrayed their neighbor, there are quite a few, but again, this all happens during prohibited hours, and i

haven’t studied daytime statistics, in principle, but there may well be such cases, but now it’s impossible? according to the bill, there is a proposal, but there is a proposal to cut the voice or cut the claws, i can’t do this anymore, here’s an example, but for wild animals , what will microchipping do, that’s why we’re talking about the fact that animals should be microchipped, why if i don’t travel abroad before, how would it be it was fashionable if i , for example, took a cat to an exhibition somewhere to the european union or to moscow then i have to chip the rules like this, but here in belarus why is this done for identification but it is done first of all, you say correctly when moving us, for example, wild animals that are subject to the sits convention, any movement of them through the state border requires an international certificate, this certificate must clearly indicate its identification number, this applies to wild animals, that is, this number and this chip, it just helps in the future the owner to move his animal, so that if we develop, say, some

specific base where these chips will be driven in, then this animal can be tracked. roughly speaking, i purchased it, sold it to a third party, a fourth, for tracking, you say, your practical experience that you have already gained, now, for example, with the introduction of a law that concerns domestic animals, it is somehow applied, or everything is starting from a new page, no, we, i, we are also part of the working group on to this bill, of course, we share our experience in terms of keeping wild animals in captivity, some standards, including rules of keeping and conditions. keeping, a ban on keeping certain animals, we also have a list of animals that are prohibited from being kept at home, these are dangerous animals, they are poisonous, invasive and the like, that is, all the practices that concern wild animals, of course, well this is how you personally, as a citizen, feel about the idea of ​​microchipping, mandatory microchipping of all households

animals, is this even realistic? i think this is unrealistic, as a citizen, and no matter how well today i don’t see such a need, okay, but the question with wild animals, how did you count them? we have specially developed methods, well, let’s follow the tracks, using a thermal imager, that is, it is easier to count the number of animals in the wild than cats in houses, no, let’s say this, conditionally, what we count and use certain methods of data extrapolation, yes, that is what we say, today we have 4500 deer, we understand that this is so , 43, 40. 7-50, that is, plus or minus a couple of thousand, that is, we are talking conditionally about such things, but chipping, let’s say, in our opinion, this is what to use , it is very important, because today stray animals in hunting grounds are a huge problem , not just in hunting grounds, in the wild , yes, that is, cats, dogs, they cause enormous damage, yes, they can carry the infection , well, including infection, yes,

at least with this chip you can then track where it came from, and then ask the person, why are you here? threw it out, yes, why did you throw it out, then, now, if they find a wild animal in its home habitat, who should they call, should they call the state inspectorate or call you, who, in what sense? look, okay, i found out that i have a neighbor, i don’t know , for example, a lynx lives there, yeah, please, call the ministry of internal affairs, we’ll go out and check everything, if anything, come to us, in general, summing up our a difficult conversation, but i think that’s exactly what it was, an unplowed field in our plan relationships between humans and animals, there is something to work on, something to think about, but the main thing is that we are already taking the first steps. listen, and i’ll tell you just one story there, look, we fight with wild animals, we help them from a thousand departments, let’s say, but with domestic animals we don’t really know what to do,

because everything is the responsibility of the owner, that is, me and my cat i have to come to an agreement,

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