yes, only from the inside. and when the president says that we need to do real things, this is precisely so as not to be disrupted from the inside. there will be no military security, without swinishness, without agriculture, without unity in society, when we have a year of unity, without no one interfering in our elections, so that we do them for ourselves, so that, despite different views, we can come to an agreement and know that we have one country, there will always be different views , so that we live as if in one country, understand that we ourselves, ourselves, can destroy everything, not someone is there. abroad, we ourselves can destroy our country, and they will only help, they will help, they will find those who want to do this, they will help, and this is what it seems to me , the president is talking about, that let’s remember that this country is ours only for us , and we can only preserve it, well, you know, i really like the expression of alexander grigoryevich lukashenko, our policy is about ordinary people, caring about ordinary people, so...

based on the results of a visit to the united states of america, which i have not been to about 10 years ago, i want to say that i didn’t notice there this concern for ordinary people, well, then let’s continue, the direction, this movement, thank you, it’s about geopolitics, thank you for participating in this conversation, that’s all for today.

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hello, you are watching the program tell me not to be silent. svetlana smolonskaya and tatyana shcherbina in the studio. and today our guest is olga, an analyst at the belarusian institute of strategic studies, candidate of historical sciences. good afternoon, good afternoon , hello, olga igoryevna, now we see what is happening in the world and we see that it is changing, and changing quite painfully, moving from unipolar to multipolar, and recently, well, a couple of days ago, one of my friends, a young girl, asked me this question, well, probably quite naive, which i will forward to you, the world cannot change without wars, i think we need to turn to antiquity, remember cain, who killed avila, this will probably be the first explanation, but if we look at history in the future, then there was no such period when it was possible to peacefully move from one stage to another, it was always accompanied by certain cataclysms,

revolutionary changes, and, as a rule, all the best that humanity has produced over the years some short period, for example, the era of enlightenment, the next... stage everything still turned against man, so today we have absolutely nothing new, we just absorb the old that was, we forget about it, today we remember and we are moving in exactly the same paradigm as it was before, unfortunately, for the next few epochs, it is unlikely that anything will change, unless today we put some kind of obstacle to this practice, which has been established for so many years. what could this obstacle be? you said, that we are moving from a unipolar world to a multipolar one, in fact, i think that the unipolar world ended a long time ago, and whether it really happened, we are making too much of a nod in favor of the united states, so as soon as we stop

doing this, then this will be the first step towards peace, towards stability in order to rethink , well, this is theoretically, but practically... i see only one effective steps today, this is to ban geopolitics, and so it is possible, yes, it is possible, from you just need to give it up in the information space, in the analytical space, our geopolitics today probably even determines the boiling of water in a kettle, that is, it boils differently, depending on whose kitchen it is in, the quality of the water, and so on, as soon as we, i am not calling for burning books, yes, banning literature, but nevertheless, as soon as we stop thinking only in terms of geopolitics, then the situation will immediately stabilize and we will be able to rethink this in perfect categories, this will be the first step. well i think it's straight revolutionary statement, on friday in beshka, the leaders of the cis countries spoke about the importance

of the commonwealth, let's listen to the words of our leader alexander lukashenko. remember, when we were in the soviet union, everyone was afraid of us, everyone respected us. unfortunately, the world is such that it respects only force, and now, together with china, iran, brazil, and the global south, what western sanctions, our opinion will be taken into account, if we are together, our opinion in international affairs will be decisive. olga igorevna, does the cis today have the potential that we are talking about? says alexander grigorievich, so that we can be taken into account in the international arena? i... grew up in the era when the soviet union collapsed, when these structures were formed, and just at such a fairly conscious age i lived through all those moments that we are talking about today, i don’t remember a single year, not a single short period

i don’t remember at all when the cis would not be subject to requirements that it is ineffective, but uh, let’s still turn to the name, and accordingly to the goals that laid down, this is the commonwealth of independent states. we are not talking about a union, we are talking about a commonwealth, the main purpose is precisely in this word, the second - independent states, because in the post-soviet space the main request that was, is and will be is the sovereignty of the states that make up the post-soviet space , it also has not disappeared anywhere, and if we look at the totality of the solutions to these two problems, then the cis is quite a very effective structure, which no one has abandoned; we could have long ago bury the commonwealth of independent states, and there would be no summits, in the modern world, so dynamic, the rejection of any organizations, associations happens very, very quickly, if, if

there is a desire, but today we see a summit, we see transfer of chairmanship to the russian federation, against the backdrop of the abolition of russia, so-called, we see the year of the russian language, and this year is all, so i would say that the cis already has an effective structure, a request for integration, including in our region v within the cis. it exists, it persists, it all depends on what meaning we want to give, to a greater extent, these are dissatisfaction with the commonwealth of independent states, it is connected with the agenda that the west dictates to us, if we follow the media in our west, then these are the theses that are broadcast in the west, they are smoothly transferred to our media, and if we compare most often the cis and the european union are compared, then yes, against this background the cis turns out to be

an ineffective structure, but after all, the tasks laid down completely different and what is laid down, it is fulfilled, if interaction within the framework of the humanitarian direction, undoubtedly, undoubtedly, now we are reviving the cultural and humanitarian sports movement, we have the year of the russian language, the year of these... cultures that are national , economic interaction, we have other structures, but we need a platform in order to articulate the principles, the approaches that will guide us, within the cis, this is impossible to implement, we need a dialogue platform that allows us to discuss all this, digest it in a calm manner, by the way, this year it was very breakthrough, we came out, the friendship, the independent state and the republic of belarus as well, alexander grigorievich just paid very close

attention , a statement was adopted on interstate cooperation in a multipolar world, you and i said at the very beginning that we are still moving towards a multipolar world, but in fact there is already a statement on how we will cooperate in a popular world, so i see that the potential has not disappeared anywhere, it all depends on how we look at it, well, you say it, and we actually read it. the commonwealth of independent states, but it is clear that in any case, each country will strive to defend its national interests, is it always possible to agree, make such decisions, and carry out some actions, so that it is acceptable and beneficial for all parties, at the same time , of course it is possible, and otherwise the commonwealth of an independent state would not exist, we must understand that national interests are not bad, this is good. but this creates competition, every year the competition becomes higher

, competition always does not worsen the situation , on the contrary, it improves, because when there is competition, we strive to become better, we strive to produce something better, some exclusive product, an exclusive offer, it seems to me that the republic of belarus is more than successful in this direction, here is the understanding that we will live high... years, but the west, which we also already talked about, is not sleeping, is being slowly torn away we have former allies, an example of this could be georgia, ukraine, moldova, now armenia is breaking away, how long can we maintain the commonwealth in its current form without... i don’t think that today anything drastic has happened with the commonwealth

of independent states , in terms of the departure of its members, which you said, well, they haven’t left yet, yes, but these states have always occupied a special status. ukraine has never ratified at the level of its parliament, as for moldova, yes, it was, is still a member, but however, it has never taken an overly active position, the backbone of the commonwealth remains as it was, and we constitute its most proactive part, these are the russian federation and the republic of belarus. all other countries, they always took a moderate position, that is, they tried to follow the integration agenda, but not initiate it, so the initiation of integration remained in the hands of those states that were once engaged in this, in this sense i don’t seem to see no problems at all, let's remember beshkek again, our

the president addressed the leaders of the cis countries, well, with this, one might say, warning, difficult times await us, let’s listen, then you will comment, we and the russians understood very seriously where we are, especially we belarusians, when everything is breaking apart in all places , but here there are central asian... republics, our legendary representative of the caucasian republic, i must tell you, difficult times await you, just like the russians and i, on the one hand, it’s clear, the brother who is trying to help us, naturally, he has his own interests, on the other hand, the americans, the west, you have already felt it, but do not forget that our happiness is here, at this table of the heads of state, who can make our people happy if we solve

some issues that have not been resolved for a long time , well, we didn’t have simple times. will it really get worse? now we have entered a new period, this is undoubtedly, and this is not at all about the fact that the unipolar world is collapsing, rather we are truly beginning to build multilateralism, i still wouldn’t talk about the poles said, because this is such a very complex question, who will we give this pole to, yes, who will be the most and more importantly, who will take it upon themselves, because the united states of america, we must give them their due, they always, if there was a pole, then they captured it, yes, here are the other countries , i don’t see too much initiative to take responsibility, because responsibility is not only for the fate of your country, everything is much more complicated here and you need to take responsibility for the region, for the global agenda, and today we are talking about

multilateralism, we have been talking about it for many decades, but today we have finally... begun to build it for real, it turns out that it is very, very complex, this is a new space, so the times that alexander grigorievich says are exactly in this sense, we must go through the stage of getting used to each other, and we are talking not only about the post-soviet space , because here with more or less such an ideological bloc everything is relatively clear, there are of course nuances, they remain, but nevertheless, concerning the rest of the world, then we can’t live, just be proud within the framework of the cis, the eu, all our blocs, say goodbye to everyone else, maybe we could say that, but they definitely won’t want that, despite to all the cancellations that they are promoting, these settings, this is the difficulty, because the national interests that we talked about, you need

to learn to live with them, and this is exactly what sa... and the opportunity to go probably to make some kind of concessions, this is also important, this is not, this is inevitable when we talk about commonwealth, independent states, why don’t we see this moving integration that we want , what we’re talking about is that joining any association always means transferring some functions, some powers, and this is in very little demand in the post-soviet space, but as for the rest world, then there it is even more difficult, we see that national interests today have practically destroyed the united nations organization, we are fighting for it, but so far we have not succeeded, and speech it’s not just about the western bloc, because many states’ ambitions began to grow, and they remember their entire history, once upon a time their path that they went through, there are a lot of

conflicts, we see now this is the middle east, so here we go exactly. in parts , everything is very complicated; in the near future it will not become easy, but it will not become simpler. olga igorievna, what should we do with young people, even within the cis? here you and tatyana, people who grew up in the soviet union, are close to this idea, the concept of the cis, to live together, and how to explain to young people that this is good, because they are talking about the soviet union, what they heard, the scoop, the shortages of the queue, well, the cis is not the soviet union, after all. yes, this is a slightly different structure, and as for young people, we advertise our impoverishment very little, if we conduct surveys among young people, they remember the name, what a particular association does, this is our fault, it must be admitted, now what are the specifics of modern here is the period of this stage that we are entering, we need to admit our own guilt, not to say that

someone is to blame, but to admit that we are still doing something wrong, we just need to advertise it among young people. this is the first, second, young people need to be involved, not just watch on television , such and such a summit was held there, such and such decisions were made, even this statement about interstate relations in a multipolar world, it needs to be explained fully, in detail, that is show this is our achievement, so that young people understand that today we ourselves form the agenda, we do not follow something, when we formulate an agenda, we work proactively. and young people should be involved in this, and when young people are involved, it will be very easy to work with them, and young people, we perceive them more as nihilists, but if we today, but if we remember the 19th century of all russian writers, including belarusian ones, yes, whom we remember, they all wrote about the same thing, but

we always managed to turn the situation around, and we will cope, we just need to move in this direction, and what achievements would you call the most important in order popularize the cis among young people? each stage of history has its own achievements, in current conditions i would focus on the fact that the strength of... the cis is that we are not against anyone, in building a correct, fair, free world for young people, for the future, to leave them a tuvestka, a reality in which they can live and raise their children. well, another important issue was voiced at the cis summit, this is the preservation of the russian language as a language of interethnic communication, let’s listen, it’s very timely and in demand, i think initiative. kasym akaev, on the establishment of an international organization for the russian language.

you know, today we all speak russian, so we don’t think about this colossal problem , but look at the youth in our republics, many speak russian worse than english and other languages, this is our greatest asset, we can reach you to the point that we will communicate through: translators, we cannot lose it, the language of interethnic communication, as it was called, then, i don’t understand at all, but why do we they should lose him, does he harm us, our generation, no, but he should not harm the generation of our children, this is our property, well, absolutely, it seems to me, the logical question is, does he harm, well, he really doesn’t harm, yes, that’s not you find that the reduction in the number of speaking people in the post-soviet space is also an element of western influence, of course, when we meet at international conferences, with

representatives of the countries of the post-soviet space, the attitude towards the russian language is very different, some people think that it’s like it’s a common thing, as before, you can communicate, but some, and those who don’t, then we start communicating with her in english, well, it seems to me that this is a huge dissonance. why should we look for a replacement, and what, strictly speaking , does not suit us, no one has yet proven this to us, by the way, they simply announced that english is our language of interethnic, international communication, and we are safely, without asking questions, it’s like faith approximately it turns out that at one time there were four languages, english, german, french and russian, in the soviet union,

the french language occupied a more leading position, we practically did not study english, and there were french language schools in the republic of belarus, including in the bssr then, but today everything has come down to the english language, and of course, the english language, it reconfigures our consciousness , because we think completely differently, the issue is not ideology. absolutely in the way we formulate a sentence, i even thought about such a thing, i didn’t fully check it, but in the english language, there is an apology, excuse me for my english, this is such a very common phrase, yes, in other languages, there is, i think no, no one says, excuse me for my belarusian, excuse me for my russian, this is also the moment that we place our language in any case one step lower. so i think you need to think about this, everything will be much simpler. let's pause to think about this. our telegram channel, don’t be silent, subscribe, invite us to guests,

ask your questions. we are connections. the program “tell me not to be silent” is on air again. and today our guest is a belolossky analyst. institute for strategic studies , candidate of historical sciences olga lazorkina. another association that we have been building for decades is the union state, and recently we have noticed that cooperation and interaction have finally intensified. can the new stage of interaction between belarus and russia be called a reset? it all depends on what meaning we put into the reboot. if we said that we had. the ratio on a scale from zero to ten is somewhere around five and we jumped straight to 10, then of course not, the union state is being built very

gradually. and we, too, always want a lot from him, a lot, but in fact all the results that we see today and the activation, it is due to the fact that a lot of preliminary work was done in order to get, say, 28 allied programs, it was necessary to work a lot , which was done, so in fact, a reboot, we can use the word, but only very good work was done and churchel , in my opinion... said that impromptu is very a well-prepared speech, that is, you prepare for several days, then speak impromptu, so in fact , the same thing happens with the union state, but the union state is a qualitatively different integration association in the post-soviet space, it is a kind of separate model of integration, in our economic political space, including, well, here

you are already... or 28 programs, we often say 28 programs, a union state, but to the general viewer this means little, it seems to me that these phrases they say, an ordinary belarusian should understand that a union state and 28 programs are good, what is it like , the average belarusian will receive bonuses from this, 28 union programs, this is a highly specialized economic direction of integration, and take one union program and break it down for citizens, well, this is practically impossible, we will not have any illusions about this, but when we talk about certain bonuses, they exist, they are visible, our citizens can receive an education in the russian federation and our students as well including, they have privileges defined upon admission, this has been adopted

in the last 2 years in the sphere, when we talk about pensions, parliamentarians are also working on this, there is very noticeable progress, that is, there is a process of not merging, but deepening integration, and for bonuses for those citizens who travel to the russian federation, say, to work or study, then we can ask them, they will tell us specifically, because they live in this agenda, take advantage of it. directly, and as for understanding, why do we need them, then the laws of economics apply here, which should be understandable to any citizen, from time immemorial , i’ll probably say this, the rules of short leverage apply, and the state’s economy develops only successfully when it can produce and sell its goods in the neighborhood, and when we talk about other

regions, here we need highly... similar products, which is what we see now, because supply chains, this is a long supply chain, which creates, increases the cost of products immediately, and products becomes, a product or service becomes uncompetitive, and therefore in the region, we are also returning to the cis , this rule is in effect, maybe not everyone wants to talk about it, but nevertheless, we live... stably only because it is in effect , we do not forget about this rule of economics, and when there is a lot of, and emotional, talk about the fact that there is a takeover by the russian federation, by someone, including, for example, the republic of belarus, then we must understand the realities, economic, there is an economy, and in order for it to work, we

must use those mechanisms that have been tested, and they have been tested not only by us, because american economists can open almost any textbook and find there what i’m talking about, they have been studying this for a long time and know it very well, globalization has led us a little astray , it seems to us that the world has become united, connected, that everything can be transferred, everything becomes transferred, everything is accessible, everything becomes magically cheap, but in order for it to become cheap, this also needs to be done very well. good rehearsal, that's when it happened the pandemic in 2020, when there was a break in supply chains, when everyone closed the borders, remembered only their own interests, when protectionism began to flourish, and we now see it, otherwise the short leverage rule began to work in full, yes, and we all started talking , or rather, everyone from the west began to tell us that globalization is already falling apart, it doesn’t exist, yes , because it has simply become unprofitable, and

the united states of america, literally in the spring, announced a program of transformations in their country, they need to reboot own industry, that's when alexander. constantly talks about industry, about our giants, what we hear, most often, most often , is that this is a burden on the body of the belarusian economy, which is dragging us somewhere, the americans are just preoccupied with exactly this, and then, that we have preserved our industrial sector, today the americans do not have it, but we do, and for us this is very important, but the industry and the products that we produce, we... must sell them here next to us in the region, therefore alexander grigorievich, i had a big, very meaningful meeting with uzbekistan, and there was also talk there, it was about industry, about industrial cooperation, but today

deeper integration is required, because if we all restore industry, although this is a very very long process, very long complicated, yes, then we need to think about the next step. competitiveness of the products that we will produce, and if we saturate the market, our internal market of the cis, if we take shiri or certain types of equipment, then we will saturate it very quickly, this will happen very quickly, then everything will stop, so it is important to think about the next step, about industrial cooperation, this is already being decided within the eu, this is also a proposal from belarus, which is always industrial. an operation when each country chooses its own specialization, and we produce high-tech products , depending on the demands that exist in the region, that is, we think not in terms of the belarusian economy, but in terms of the economy of the eu, and then the economy

of the commonwealth of independent states, and belarusians who are engaged in business, those people who work in factories, they understand this very well, so these are the bonuses that we receive from union programs, among other things. but we, with our dimness, will preserve our sovereignty in the union state, you have already mentioned above that our opponents like to claim that russia will absorb us, so let’s calm them down now or excite our opponents even more, of course, belarus will retain its sovereignty, and the sovereignty - this is not only the name of the state, this is a little broader, that is, when we are talking only about the political context, then this. that’s why they manage to throw out these theses so easily, because everyone immediately understands everything: absorption means deprivation of sovereignty, annexation as a region, that there is once again the northwestern region, and that is, they remember all this, that is , sovereignty is not only the name

of the state, and we are now working . belarus has always worked to preserve genuine sovereignty, that is, national specificity, it exists, we have preserved it, all of our neighbors are in the region. said goodbye to this deep-seated idea, yes, they say we have no ideology, no national idea, but belarusians don’t have to voice it, that’s exactly what ’s specific, we understand it somewhere inside, and when they we said goodbye to all this in the nineties, and through our revolutions , by joining the european union, nato, when they overextended their nation, we have not overexerted ourselves yet, absolutely, we have preserved ourselves in that dimness. we still we say that russia and i have a common history, a common culture, common values, common

traditions, but russia also had ukraine , all this was common, culture, and traditions and values ​​and history, why do you think the west managed to quarrel two fraternal ones. the question is in the nation itself, we differ from russians, and from ukrainians, and from poles, although we are probably all slavs, we call ourselves that, before, in any case, now this is already gone, so to say that someone then we managed to do it in ukraine, will it be possible? in belarus, this is a little bit, as if the approach is out of focus, because what was achieved in ukraine , probably, there was a readiness for this, here we cannot consider only the external factor, of course it exists, of course it exists, but in

ukraine itself , there is also this reason for what has happened today , belarusians have our own history of relations with russia, and i... once heard such an interesting point of view, why and how belarusians actually are so different, because we differ not only since the nineties. belarusians have never looked for an enemy, with us... we have never united our nation in the image of an external enemy, this is our essence, our specificity in this is the protection of our sovereignty, because we believe that all issues can be resolved, very many of our neighbors, they just followed this path, but at that time we worked, fought , well, this is another distinctive ability of ours, never quarrel with our neighbors, yes, of course, recently, statements of a number of political experts about the impending collapse

european union, how close do you think these forecasts are to the truth, and are there already prerequisites for it to collapse? here we need to look at the political and economic context, if we are talking about the political context, then today we see a lot of currents in the european union, this is the question of ukraine, he raised this one. not foam, probably some deep-seated problems that have accumulated over the decade of the existence of the european union, because since 2004, when its most active members joined today, they they are overstraining the european union, emotionally, politically, well, economically, the context is still a little different, that ’s how old the so-called... will withstand this pressure, we’ll see, but for now

, in the political context, of course, the situation is complicated, it’s obvious that it will become more complicated, and as for the economic, that is, the true essence of the european union, everything is fine here, when our neighbors, the poles , say that we will leave, there will be a half-exit, yes, there was a brerequit, then there will be a half-exit, they very strongly, of course, because the economic safety cushion that old democracies provide, the german economy , first of all, it is beneficial to everyone, and no one will give it up in the near future, because when they talk about us, we still live not in such premium conditions, we are reproached a lot for the fact that russia. gives us these special conditions, and we

do practically nothing, but what we do is very good at being able to survive , including ourselves, this stress resistance economic, we have it not because we are in an alliance with someone, but because we ourselves are also thinking several steps ahead, the european countries, especially this young bloc, they are already very accustomed to topics economic realities that provide the union, and it is very, very difficult to get out of it. well, two more associations have recently gained great popularity - the sco and brix. in particular, there was a huge queue lined up to join brix. introduction. what does this mean, what is the attractiveness of this association? brix is ​​real. but will there be brix in the future? this is still a very big question.

despite the queues that are waiting for entry, because brix is ​​an association that claims, at least today we see it, to be the arbiter of transnational dialogue, this is a very difficult task, a very difficult one, and another very important point, because in brix there is no leader, they just follow the path. so that there is no leading state that will dictate agenda, which means there will be no management, so that decisions are made collegially, that’s right, well, the more members , the more difficult, we always know this, no matter how much we condemn it, yes, we know this, we see, by the way, on the european union, and this discussion, which is being carried out lively, as soon as there is agreement. when the pandemic happened, we removed consensus, adopted by a simple

majority of votes, yes, this is what democracies have come to, so brix, yes, this is a very important platform today, there is a serious ideological component that meets the demands of multilateralism, but brix, brix is ​​us, finally, this is not just... ' every one of those who joined, who wants to join, or is still thinking about it, sees attractiveness, it will become a working association only when we want it ourselves, because we have the united nations organization, it works until then or exactly

as long as we ourselves want, now we have stopped being active, we have accepted the western the agenda, the american one, to a greater extent, that the un is an inactive structure, fortunately everyone believed in it, now we have what we have, the same thing can happen with brix, why brix, because not only asia is very important to us, greater asia , and the region of latin america is also important to us, there is africa, latin america and africa, well , the global south, the so-called, within the framework of the cis summit, this issue was also considered. what’s important here is to formulate a new agenda together, so that it doesn’t turn out that everyone will be in its own cocoon, we will form it here at home, someone there at home, these mistakes that we made earlier also need to be recognized, so today many countries are trying to invest in brix, to work out

those omissions that were there earlier . do you admit that someone from those who were strangely not once part of the ussr will want to join. to the cis, can he do this? yes, of course, i believe that integration in the post-soviet space in one form or another, no matter what it is called, the commonwealth of independent states, can maybe the new generation will come up with some other name, but nevertheless , it will be in demand, and it will retain its significance for all countries that want to join, and i think that it will not only... the inner circle, i think , that the doors are open for the distant circle, when we talk about os, there are partners who enter, join, are interested , from afar, quite far geographically, now we will take a break for a while, after a short pause we will return to this studio again,

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the polish authorities frightened their citizens about belarus and the rhetoric was very militant. will she change now, do you think? will she become less aggressive, or will they escalate her even more? well, according to preliminary data, the current party of kochinsky is in the lead. yes, but the opposition has undoubtedly taken a very serious position in the state, but those bonus conditions that were for kaczynski’s party in the two previous elections will no longer exist, and therefore the rhetoric will undoubtedly change, but the line will be pursued in full , as it has been until now, including this referendum question, by the way, that too... according to preliminary data, did not take place, did not

took place, yes, of course, it will be adjusted, the next 2 months, which are very important for the polish political elites , will be connected with the elections of the new government, so that the state system will work in principle, and this is a very complex system of agreements, inter-party, for in order to be able to elect a new prime minister and approve him, this is such a long enough... history, as for the relationship with belarus, then even if donald tusk takes, well, quite serious positions, in government, i would not say that some kind of radical change will occur, in the coming months this is definitely impossible, because in any case tusk will work on the platform that was created, and we can

assume that he will remain the president of the country of poland. but the steps that are being taken to strengthen the border in eastern poland, that is, directly in our vicinity, here i would definitely not predict any such serious adjustments, because when the process starts, then stop it, and then moreover, the republic of belarus, in addition, the well-known migration scandal with visas, yes, it, of course, seriously strengthened it. after all, everyone finally saw that the problem of migration is not as clear-cut as it turned out, and that

when the republic of belarus proposed to look at it comprehensively, discuss it, sit down at the negotiating table, see how we can deal with migrants whom the european union and invited, and still invites, it turns out, even in such ways, then belarus was considered an enemy. for today day europe is silent, and we can count, yes, we can count on the fact that our voice, from common sense, will finally be heard, well, this way, yes, this way, this is how it happened in poland, well, this is possible , information has recently appeared that the polish press writes about the appearance of lists of citizens who participated in the recent million hearts march, this is actually an action carried out by tusk and his supporters. the data contains the person’s name, his personal phone number, email address, and a corresponding request from the prosecutor’s office, here

with a request to provide such a list listing the participants in the march, i went to the mayor's office of one of the polish cities, probably not only to more than one mayor's office, but to a number of other cities too. why do you think such a list of dissidents is needed? well, this is easily explained, because kaczynski’s party, when the first march took place, now we saw, because it was the second, when the first march took place, they were not just concerned, for them it was simply a shocking situation, that usku, who is in the political no agenda is generally a bright person, and we even saw this during the election campaign, he easily, one might say, with the ease of his hand, assembled such a huge march, from june, the month of rhetoric, in germany.

in general, it is surrounded by enemies on all sides, and from their point of view, russia, well, we can explain this, somehow there is logic, but there is also germany, it is also an enemy, and tusk is precisely the person who is carrying out the german, interests, and the videos filmed by the ruling party, they fit very well into all these lists, because that in recent days there have been statements that let’s think, that is, the citizens of poland should have thought about who will govern? germany, so these lists plus the commission that was approved in september, i don’t see its activities investigating russian influence, so i think that there will be lists not only of those who came to the protests, but also of those who lists of politicians are already being formed who are carrying out the russian campaign, well, these are

the methods of democracy, well, in poland it is allowed, it believes that this is true democracy, to protect yourself from the inside from enemies. once again about poland, she tells her citizens about the terrible regime and about the poverty we have here and nothing to eat, a polish citizen came to our country and recorded a video, let's watch it, to słyszę, że białusinie muszą wyjeżdżać gdzieś do polski albo gdzie indziej za granicę, żeby cokolwiek kupić, bo u siebie w kraju nic nie mają, no nie wiem, nie wiem skąd to się wzięło, ale ja bym nie narzekała, let’s translate, i heard that belarusians have to go somewhere to poland

or abroad to buy something, because they have nothing in their country, i don’t know where i got it from? recently, the belarusian telegraph agency launched a polish-language website, the international radio belarus began producing a new program for poles in polish, will this content be in demand among poles, in your opinion, and do they have a request for this objective information? the decision to open the borders so that we could immediately put a barrier to the spread of this fake information, but poland is also a fairly large country, and for the eastern regions of poland, that’s what the propaganda says, it doesn’t work, because they know very well what the situation is in belarus, and if we’re talking about the western, western part of poland

, then, of course, you can easily disseminate all this information, simply because they don’t come to us, our ability, due to the turning point in the situation in the information space in poland itself, i think that they are, well, limited, if we talk about what - special programs directed, but the fact that belarusian programs are monitored in detail, i am absolutely convinced of this, the channel, for example, belarus 1 , definitely has a huge audience in poland, because i see this from the agenda that is broadcast: in the information space, they track such little things , to which even we here do not pay attention and speak at home, but uh, what is important, of course, is the translation into polish, with the russian language, after all, the ideological moment works, and the fact that we are following the path, such specialized programs, of course,

this is always a very good step in order to win the attention of the audience, because i watched our programs, they are absolutely not propaganda, here we are talking about simply showing our truly objective picture, objective information, which is very rare in europe enough, one more, very important point , the expert community stopped cooperating, because when we were there, when they came to us, everything was much simpler, we could exchange directly, but it doesn’t matter anymore. it’s already or polish, but that’s when it was going dialogue, when the conversation was going on, then of course it was much easier with fake information, but today we have only one topic left, probably, but still we have it, this is the history of rome, for example, we can always discuss this with polish experts topic, because it seems to me that it is already so super neutral, i think that

next time we will also discuss this topic, for today we have to say goodbye, our time is coming to an end, thank you very much for coming to our studio and told us in simple accessible language about the processes which are happening in the country and the world today, we now know that geopolitics is not very good, but the rules of short leverage and premium conditions are good, success to you and good luck, we, tatyana cherbina, svetlana smolonskaya, say goodbye to you until the next broadcast , goodbye, goodbye, and now olga lazorkina is speaking. in the modern world , the most important thing for us is to remain calm, self-possessed, this is the potential... internal that belarusians have, it is huge, and today is a great opportunity to use not a historical chance, but our neighbors say, use the

internal potential that belarusians have. olga igorevna, according to the already established tradition, i suggest you leave an autograph on our picture and some wish for our viewers of our programs. i have always been pleased that we can turn to ancient experience. therefore, i will turn to aristotle, it is enough to win the war, it is much more important to organize the world.

the best way is to remember to spend the weekend and take a short trip. it seems that i have found a unique corner of belarus, which for many will become place of power. together we will visit a belarusian village. i returned from the village to my grandmother, just look, here is the ideal option for a complete reboot, no gadgets of civilization. we will visit the largest boulder in the volozhensky district. if you believe folk superstitions, in order for your wish to come true, you need to leave a coin on top of the stone. let's learn all the intricacies of wood carving. in fact, it’s just like some kind of meditation, because when it goes well, it’s very pleasant.

see in the program: the route is built on tv channel belarus 24.