the thoughts of past times live in books, the voices of people are heard clearly and distinctly, everything that humanity has accomplished has been preserved, as if by magic, on the pages of books, through reading a person experiences centuries. reading brings generations together, we value the past for our present, belarus 24, valentin pavlovich, who do you think is the hero of our time, real people, real people.

well, justice, truthfulness, honesty, these are real people, these are the heroes of our time, and we all know our enemies. my guest is calm about the glory of popularity. passers-by on the streets rarely recognize him, they don’t ask for a photograph or an autograph, but his work is very often filmed and photographed. perhaps there is not a single belarusian who has not been to the brest fortress or khotyn. today my guest is an architect, sculptor, honored artist of the republic of belarus, hello,

good afternoon, valentin pavlovich, i thank you for taking the time to agree to this interview, i noticed that many directors and actors, they don’t like to review films with their participation, but you love your works, some, yes, some, those that turned out, in my opinion, at a good level. well, the work, it’s not like there, i always thought that, from where you come from, you’ll make 40 options, the forty-first one turned out, that’s all, everything is elementary, so what kind of work could you possibly redo? , as one architect once said, i

have created so many works on every mound in belarus that they cannot be counted and i will never i counted on my fingers there and how many works i delivered and where, but of course there is a more successful one, there is a less successful one, well , i would gladly redo the less successful one, you were born in the sad year of 1937 for our history, it affected your family, of course, of course, yes, the fact is that, uh, all my relatives lived in western belarus, but uh , my mother and father, yes, apparently, listening to propaganda about how eastern belarus lives,

it’s interesting and promising, they decided to cross the border, yes, and crossed the border, which means, well , their, uh, father is a teacher and mother is a teacher, and they were settled, uh, not far from minsk, which means they both worked as teachers, but then , of course, yes, they took on my father and thought that he was a polish spy, and that’s why they shot him, yes, well, without any explanation.

how many of you were there in the family? in a family there would be a father, a mother and three children, that is, all the children remained with... with the mother, yes, they all remained in the arms of the mother, your childhood was in the post-war period, and what do you remember most from that time, i remember well , how the german opels and trucks arrived, then these on motorcycles with sidecars, with machine guns, they stopped at our estate, well, a house and a hectare... great lands , this column stopped at our house, yes, and we guys, so, of course, we ran to look at these, but uh, the soldiers were sitting there, on trucks under

awnings, they didn’t come out, but the officers came out, which means they treated us to some kind of candy. in plastic bags, yes, but they showed such different intentions, completely, yes, at first, so the wartime happened during the occupation, our entire occupation, yes, to survive, these are the post-war the years when you were already released in 1944. what do you remember most? most of all i remember the joyful time, the rise was incredible, and the joy was incredible, there were blows from pistols from rifles, which means victory, yes

, it was still filled, the ice cream was so delicious, and when yours first appeared... oh, well so this is in childhood, yes, firstly, that means why i went to school at the age of 6, because my eldest son is a year older, he went at the age of 7, but i don’t ask anyone, i followed him, i was 6 years old, in first grade i went and started studying, and when did you pick up a pencil, and when did you pick up a pencil? uh, wall newspapers had to be published, yes, it’s clear, it means that my friend was a neighbor there, vitka teshotin, and he and i, uh, were fond of drawings, after all, you, as if by profession

, first entered architecture, then sculpture , but somewhere you studied, went somewhere, practiced, uh, drawing, or so on. were self-taught, yes, self-taught, yeah, didn’t go anywhere, didn’t do drawing, self-taught when i entered the polytechnic institute, well, i told my mother that look, here ’s sketch geometry, drawing, drafting, well, you understand why i choose architecture, i have all this without any problems. well, he says, i don’t mind, let’s go to architecture school, but when i took the exam in drawing, i looked at how, and there were already professionals there, i think, somehow strangely they shade, draw, i have my own way , yes, and

why did you draw a rosette, yes, well, and then, that means, uh, it turned out, well, 6 years, drawing day after day, yes, and that only people can draw two people in the group, 28 people in the group on architecture, yeah, and only zankovich and one other person can draw, so it turned out, how interesting, yes, and me too...’ so it’s awkward to say, makletsova, a famous architect, after on third year, when the first was a creative task, going down to the water, yes , she was shocked by my project, presentation, yes,

the project, yes, going down to the water, yes, and then, that means, i was called as our genius. humanity will not survive the advent of artificial intelligence because it will change the very concept of man, forever, we already now see a future in which such a concept as a country, community, team, family, it is absent, remaining in their pseudo-civilized world at the moment, they close the borders from everything traditional, from all those values ​​that we are now positioning ourselves from the countries of the east, making it worse only for ourselves, in order for you to understand modernity, you must , according to

markov, nothing personal, only the truth, which is always more interesting than speculation, watch on the belarus 24 tv channel. where are you, quickly we have to go, we’re just waiting for you, but at least we can plan important things? and what should i remind you so that you don’t miss conceiving your own child? well, you can kiss and light a cigarette, congratulations, your wife is almost pregnant, i hope it’s twins , hello, vera grigorievna, urgently, vera grigorievna, hello, hello, everything went perfect for us, thank you very much, maybe we’ll take a break, it’s time, thank you, your hand is light, turn you around, you need to see a doctor, then see a friend, you don’t let me, you don’t let me move? well it was and it was, consider it a past life

, why didn’t you tell me, that’s why you didn’t go to cardientesis, daver, i always admired, even from my student days, what right do they have to judge me, congratulations, thank you, watch the series an attempt at faith on the tv channel belarus 24. you were the youngest among the authors of the khatyn memorial complex, this is how responsibilities were distributed in your group, who was responsible for what, the fact is that before khatyn, uh, it was i who worked on the minus project, and my friend, oleg stakhoovich. which we studied at politite

polytechnic and were friends with him, he was in a military project, but since, uh, you didn’t have a hand, and you were given such uninteresting tasks, yes, uh, the interest all boiled down to what you did after work, and we did ... sculptural projects with all belarusian sculptors, and it was such a school, yes, that we remade a lot of projects, the secretary of the komsomol organization of the misproject, lenya levin, knew this well, so it means that one day he comes up to me and says, listen, vanitsky called, komsomol secretary, they want to perpetuate,

the feat of the komsomol members on the land of belarus, and at yakovichit, well, i made an offer , so i’m showing you what he draws for me, which means there are two six-meter pipes, between them, uh, metal... wire, mesh on it with plywood the letters depict the feat of the komsomol, that is, a specific person, i say, lenya, what did you misrepresent, and what and what? well, protect the forest from fire, that’s welcome, but the feat of a person, specifically, is a completely different decision, well, go ahead and try, then that means it was your decision, of course,

lord, of course, yes, it’s elementary, it was my proposal, because i was guided by the orthodox church, i was thinking about how to attract people to this land, but why do you think mashirov liked your khatyn project the most? there were 10, there were 10 projects for the competition, but the minsk regional executive committee announced a competition for 10 projects, out of ten the masher liked ours, we met with him. he knew that i came up with this, and what does it mean that i came up with this old man, because this is working, this is a sketch in plasticine, an old man is holding his son, this was all on competition, i have an architecture education, which means no one will trust you

to make a sculpture, i started to think to you, who should i? to hide behind the fact that i have a sculptor, oh, i’ll take selikhanov and cover it up with my name, well, i met pilatovich there and at the party committee, i say, this way and that, selikhanov will make sculptures as he says, well, i don’t mind, people’s artist, went through the war, come on, well, i’ll give you a bottle and selikhan. well, i say, i came home, he lived near the circus, so, uh, we make sculptures for a couple, money, fame in half, but i agree, yes, well, by the way, i heard a story that the then minister

of culture of the ussr, ekaterina furtseva, did not like kaminsky’s sculpture. and what didn’t suit her? well, when they were nominated for a prize and the material was transported, it means there , to moscow, furtseva came then , that’s why she said, why is this such a weak sculpture you have, that this old man there, uh, this guy was given into his hands, you why couldn’t they give him a real good machine gun? lenin prize, buffet, yes, and i was just standing across furtsev and zykin’s table, with

they had to repent all the time, reveal the secret, why the khatyn memorial complex... twice, that’s what was wrong, the first time, mazarov participated in the khatyn siege, and something about the village, and where the concentration camps were, there were so many concentration camps, that’s when the team entered the concentration camps, and yes, well, concentration camps, this was at a discussion, a creative workshop, where this project was shown, a week was given for this at the concentration camps , masherov also said, well, i thought that they should be over the mountain to be chancellor, and i inspired him that everything must be together, the eternal fire and the village and the endgame, so he, well, you’re right, really, let’s do all this together, sculpt

sculptures, which means, well, the sketch was at a competition for my work in plasticine, then it means when i agreed with telekhan and brought him the sketch to the workshop, and he sculpted a working meter model, yes, i come, i say, sergei ivanovich, something is wrong, not right , but what, i say, i can’t understand what’s wrong, but it’s not right, exactly 10 days later it dawned on me, there’s a problem , he puts this kid under the chin, and i come running and say, i understand what the problem is, it needs to be as low as possible so that he can work with the sculpture like an exclamation mark, and it means i’m coming, but i have a key in the workshop, which means they laid it, yes, in the old man’s clay

, i come, i look, serikhanov... eyes, eyebrows, nose, mouth, ears, i say that this, and what, i say, but it’s not like that, that’s all, he took a club, that means he climbed on the fox, and there ’s a shandra, that means he crushed his eyes with his fists, that means he smeared his beard, that means this hair, that means, in this way , too... and he says, what are you doing, valentin, they will laugh, i say, let them laugh, for your work on khatyn you received the lenin prize, how much then it was rubles, huh?

that’s 10,000, that’s the volga, yeah, that’s 10,000 and uh, how much, i’m there with my wife, that means, to the moscow hotel , well, at least a week, probably, in short, i had to spend some time on the return trip, and i just wanted to ask where you’re going spent this money and had to borrow money from friends. you were also in the design team of the bresse fortress memorial complex, but it turns out that what we see now is only the first stage of your idea, it was decided to focus on the project that we did, if alphabetically zankovich, kibalnikov and stakhovich, yes, the only request is to take

the sculptor bembel, so that there is not only a russian sculptor, but also a belarusian one, please remember, what happened in the second stage of the project? so, well, it’s a huge task. there were approaches, parking lots, then, that means, the entrance, then, that means, well, what we managed to do, what we managed to do is, architecture, yeah, the entrance behind the star, and this is makhina, that means, well, mashiru says, guys, that means , we discover what we managed to do, why, because, uh, well, veterans are getting old, dying,

yes, uh, the date is right, let’s open what we managed to do, immediately then we’ll do the second stage, you mentioned pyotr mironovich masherov several times in our conversation, i understand that you knew each other, what kind of acquaintances you had relationships? what struck me most was, stunning, direct communication, it doesn’t show at all that you, lowly citizens, and i’m a tall boss, was completely absent from him, it shocked me, well, it shocked me, in fact, it meets... he was approachable and just in communication just in communication you

absolutely, and then a handsome man, yes, and it’s rare to see such beauty, a tall man, yes, please tell me, right now in western european countries, the authorities are demolishing war monuments and moving them to sparsely populated areas. places, why do you think european officials are trying to fight silent monuments, but well, it’s elementary, yes, why, because uh, allen dalis once slammed the paper, it went from hand to hand in the soviet union everywhere, i read it, allendalis writes that it is necessary... everything turn everything upside down, well, turn everything upside down, that’s all, that’s why times change, the heroes of this

time change, like the heroes of sculptures, please tell me, this is how you feel in the new time, maybe you miss something about the soviet sometimes, wow? this was the highest achievement of humanity, right? times when stakhanov received more than a big official, that’s the problem, it’s true that your working day begins at 4 in the morning, everything began, yes, at 4:00 in the morning i was already plowing, it’s like, otherwise, when would i still continue to live in the same mode? no, now it’s already 7 am. and before at 4 in the morning, yes, i was already plowing in the workshop, yes, on weekends,

do you work too? no days off, valentin pavlovich, how does your family feel about your workaholism, maybe they are already trying to persuade you to retire, or have already come to terms with you, no, they have known for a long time that it is useless to persuade, and my granddaughter, varuara, called, varvara called or something, i taught her to skate, on the lake in syabbra on the lake, there for the first time, they put on skates she holds for me there, and now she spins on the fly, which means that at the academy of this physical education, they teach others to jump on a skate.

spin on these, and what inspires you, besides sculpture, where you draw strength, in nature , of course, in belarusian, well , belarusian nature shocks me, absolutely shocks me, because, but i’m a mushroom picker, i grew up in forests, veleyki, and there what a river the viliya was , it was amazing, the tushers spoiled it with a reservoir, so i figured out everything to take from borisov, the berezina or... well, since he was in the veleyka for a year and a half, in my opinion boss, and natasha was born there, and i, well, my childhood was spent on a sandy shore , a clear river, and the whole city sunbathed in the summer, yes, but to take a walk along an alley in

a park or in a forest, that’s for you... and yes, in minsk, what are your favorite places, not a moment, yes, where i live, take a walk around the trois suburb, well, of course, yes, our program is called the meaning of life, for you, what is the meaning of life, oh, to be human. in all respects, to be human, that’s all, although it seems to be elementary, and yet, this is the most difficult thing in our everyday life, well, that’s all, thank you very much, that this was the meaning of valentinach’s life.

in general, it’s surprising, yes, in the 20th century, instead of the whole world exploring new planets, evolving correctly, developing technologies, we are once again forced to face this social monstrosity called fascism, we all see how it will be about belarus more, there will be more attempts to destabilize, especially by the twenty-fourth year, by the elections by the twenty-fifth year to relax, that’s what interestingly, demonizing does not work, we have created such a unique model of our state that, during the turbulence in which the whole world has found itself, we ensure security and peace, and we will destroy fascism.

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