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which will take place on the main stage of the kupala theater. the last attraction will be shown first today after the opening ceremony. my colleagues will have more information at 15:00. with this i say goodbye to you. all the best. hello, sasu has the authority to announce on the air of the program, i am its presenter nadezhda sas, i greet you. let me remind you that this is a program for those who want to better understand what is happening and understand how these processes, events, people will affect the life of the country and each of us. let's summarize the results of the parliamentary elections in poland, immediately after the digest key events in world politics this week. more than 800 people were killed and injured
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due to the attack on the aliara hospital in the gaza strip. palestine blamed israel for the attack. in turn, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu stated that the israeli military was not involved. the israeli army is convinced that islamic jihad is to blame. the heads of middle eastern countries blamed jerusalem for the incident. iraqi and saudi arabian authorities called the attack a war crime. and the egyptian president said that israel violated international laws and... immediate ceasefire, and the jordanian leadership canceled a planned summit on the israeli-palestinian conflict with the leaders of the united states, egypt and palestine. in belgium, a gunman shouting allah akbar shot and killed two swedish fans. the incident occurred approximately 5 km from the stadium, where the qualifying match for euro 2024 between the football teams of belgium and sweden took place on the evening of october 16. after the news about the shooting, the game was played.
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a video has appeared on social networks of a man speaking in arabic. claimed that he was the shooter. in the video , he identified himself to followers of the islamic state group and said that he killed infidels, thereby avenging the muslims who were dying for the religion. the situation with the terrorist attack may repeat itself, because belgium has become a refuge for hundreds of thousands of immigrants who do not integrate into european society. in beijing on the last day between. at the people's forum, one train one way, negotiations between vladimir putin and shizen ping took place. the meeting lasted 3 hours. putin agreed with the need for a close foreign policy coordination between moscow and beijing. he also shared his forecast that trade turnover between russia and china will exceed 200 billion by the end of 2023. the head of gazprom, alexey miller , said on the sidelines of the forum that the volume of pipeline supplies of russian gas to china in the near future could reach the volume that was previously supplied to countries from
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western europe. since 2019, russia has been supplying gas to china via the power of siberia pipeline. it is expected that by 2024 , supplies along it will reach a volume of 30 billion km. there is also a sila gas pipeline project siberia-2, which involves the supply of up to 50 billion cubic meters of gas from russia to china via mongolia. well, today we are talking about poland again. in warsaw , the government is not just changing. there. politics, internal struggle, traditions of gentry strife are returning again, and i would like to quote on this occasion a quote from the historian nikolai heinz, leaving a heavy yoke for the people, the gentry sought for itself freedom, which can only exist in an abstract concept, and the result of such efforts was the liberum veto , giving the right to one member of the sejm to paralyze the decision of everyone else, the famous historical... let me say, a phrase
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that can serve as the best eloquent epitaph over the political grave of poland. will those who imagine themselves to be the builders of the new polish-lithuanian commonwealth await the same ending that befell the previous such a power, we speak in today ’s program, i am glad to welcome you, in our studio there is already nikolai evgenievich budin, doctor of military sciences, professor, hello, and nikolai moratovich mizhevich, doctor of economics sciences, director of the belarusian center. institute of european wounds, glad to see you greetings, good afternoon, according to tradition, we begin our program with a quick question: do you expect that poland will now plunge into itself and limit its international ambitions? nikolai marotovich, i think that in the next month poland’s activity on foreign policy tracks , as they now say, will decrease somewhat, well, we must first figure out who owns... the country, and then move
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east against russia and belarus or to the west against germany, but first, you still need to understand yourself a little, considering recent resignations... this task is urgent, and then, then everything will return to the previous anti-belarusian and anti-russian course. nikolai evgenevich, will the internal and external policies change, and will there be enough, taking into account internal feuds, for external activities? i completely agree with nikolai regarding poland’s activity in the near future. will be approximately occupied with its internal issues until the new year, periodically turning to the external vector, so to speak, but as for the fact that activity will probably decrease
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no, in all likelihood not, because as soon as they figure it out inside, they will immediately remember about the grievances, they will immediately remember about their geostrategic tasks right there... if they forget, they will be reminded by their overlord what they must do in the near future. this is definitely, i am glad to welcome you to our studio, josef skala, leader of the communist party of the czech republic of moravia, josef, we are glad to see you, we are discussing the results of the parliamentary elections in poland, how did czech society perceive the results of these elections personally, were they surprising you? good afternoon to you and your colleagues, and good afternoon, of course, to all tv viewers. maybe they are not so interested in the polish elections, but that part of our society that is more politically active, in my opinion, it is its alternative part that would agree with what your guests in the studio simply said, yes,
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poland is very little independent in her foreign policy, she is connected to the task of her sovereign, as it was beautifully called here, and i... think that the difference between donald tusk and his government and the previous government will be more in detail than in any strategic changes, i wanted to say that our generation, which remembers more, of course, can hardly forget the very tragic consequences of polish nationalism in the thirties, when it finally connected with munich , dictatorship, he simply stole part of our territory from us and so on, and it seems to me that this is a disease, spiritual, maybe it is mental, it is returning to the polish nationalists, they just again think that they can become some kind of important player from
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name of a foreign power, in the thirties we all remember who this power was, today too... we know who this power is, so for us this is not a very good neighbor from that point of view, joseph, and i just want to point out just a minute attention of our viewers and, of course, to clarify with you, rights and justice on the one hand, civic position on the other, if we are talking about establishing relationships, will foreign policy change, relations with the same republic of belarus, tusk is rather a new opportunity for more soft relations between countries?
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i would also like to hope, and donald tusk is closer, say, to brussels than to washington to the same extent as kaczynski and others, so now that the conflict is in the east, in ukraine, he, so to speak , is going to in a direction in which the west did not expect this, in my opinion, the european union will also have to maneuver, here the question will arise of large emigration from ukrainians to the west, the same to poland, and so on and other, so to speak, consequences of what is happening in ukraine , maybe poland itself will feel more your own, let’s say, chewing or whatever it’s called in russian, and don’t pursue such a stupid policy that doesn’t help either europe, or poland, or us, thank you very much, josef skala, the leader of the moravian communist party was in touch with us, nikolai evgenich , please tell me, right
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and justice has really changed its communication with the electorate, literally in the last month before the elections they remembered that ukrainians behave quite aggressively in poland. remembered that you need to think about personal interests, again, the situation with the ukrainian grain emarga, how do you think their policy will develop further. a very specific party that is adaptive, this word probably suits its leaders very well, they are ready to adapt to the situation, they sense the intensity of passions in society very well, and even the most surprising thing, they know how to give credit where credit is due, they know how to use their own mistakes in the interests of carrying out own policy, so to say that something will change, in my opinion, is wrong, in all likelihood it is
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everything was pre-election promises and the playing of those cards that could bring some benefit to the party, as soon as the elections are held everything will be clear with the authorities, if they retain power, i think everything will be switched to the same realities as it was, and probably , the interest of its own people, it will be secondary in relation to the tasks that the party leaders will solve. well, after processing 100% of the ballots, we can say with confidence that the ultra-right conservatives are losing parliament, the coalition of leftists and liberals, and power in poland is really changing, let’s pay attention to the graphics with the results of the parliamentary elections, colleagues, please, it’s gratifying that in belarus and russia those few who follow poland have a much more rational and judicious attitude towards this than in europe and poland itself, where they sing an asana to get rid of kaczynski , the understanding... that nothing will change for belarus due to the change of power anyway, it gives detachment and emotionlessness, so they
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contribute to analyticity, nikolai moratovich, absolutely correct statement question, we are calm, we are rational, we are still mostly not poles, although poles live in the republic of belarus, in the russian federation, well, the majority, let’s say, are not poles, so we are looking at how you will win... at elections treat us? well, this is quite natural, yes, everyone looks like that , so what do we see, the right of justice, the civil platform are forces in relation to moscow and minsk, which occupy almost the same position, yes, the right of justice is oriented towards washington, civil the platform is oriented towards berlin and brussels, but that makes it easier for us, for us there is some difference, no, the other thing is that it is not very clear who will start looking for ways to negotiate and compromise: brussels with
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berlin or washington with london, well, if washington and london or brussels and berlin begin to look for ways to negotiate with moscow and minsk, then the position of these parties will change, they will be the first to come to moscow, to minsk, and so to speak, they will send delegations and start bringing flags. well, hardly peace and friendship, but at least business, honestly speaking, in our time it’s already quite good, but for this the position must change not in warsaw, in washington in brussels. and how correct is it to say that power is changing in poland, taking into account the fact that the country has a fairly strong presidential institution, and anzhi duda will remain in this post until 2025, power does not change, only individual policy vectors can change, nothing more, once again i want your attention to this graph, it is very indicative, justice, justice, civil platform, by
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and large there is an internal showdown in within the framework of the state, the elites, one part of the elites is trying to maintain their status quo to remain in power, the second part is a civil platform , the third way is the new left - to create some kind of new reality or maybe development, but nothing will change fundamentally. and about this, this is the main thesis that everyone who is considering these elections needs to understand , the essence of poland’s policy will not change, it doesn’t matter, we really liked the previous remark, if so, the united states, europe, no, forget it, the usa, europe - these are particulars, the main thing is that there is a position, let’s call it the western world, today, it is not united, it doesn’t matter, but europe today works under the united states, it lies under the united states. and we won’t get away from this. the united states today is the most powerful state that
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imposes its position on the european union. accordingly, will poland be closer to the european union, closer to the united states, or will it obey directly, receiving instructions, or will it receive the same instructions through the european union. therefore, hope there is no interstate solution to improve the situation yet until a decision is made overseas. i want us to hear right now the opinion of the leader of the republic of belarus , alexander lukashenko, about what is happening in poland and discuss it in more detail. there is always hope that these things are clear to everyone. lead and will lead, but as they lead, there is some hope that they will still take their heads in their hands and work to improve relations, by the way, this position is also shared by polish diplomats, including those work for us, they need to give them their due, well done, they understand what is happening, but they have also given up
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, they are waiting for elections, and they say, but if new forces come to power, then there is hope that there will be some kind of reset, well, yes, we can hope for that, but we, you see, we don’t hope for anything, we are preparing, at most, for the worst case scenario, prepare for the worst, it’s better , well, okay, yes, it’s impossible not to agree, and indeed, i think that supports your words president, regarding the fact that you can’t entertain yourself with illusions, you can’t to be in rose-colored glasses, to watch. unfortunately, this is again an illusion of choice among citizens of the european union, it is present , but in fact nothing changes, nikolai moradovich, it is important that our viewers understand that the party that ruled for 8 years was right and justice, it was not just three separate political forces, with their programs, they are very different from
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each other, quite significantly, but also the fact that each of the three opposition parties is essentially electoral. block that unites smaller political forces, in other words, in fact, in the new coalition there will be not just three subjects, but at least six, from the ultra-liberal spring, led by the openly gay robert biedren, to the conservative polish peasant party, this is how they can jointly govern and interact? it’s very difficult, it will be difficult for them to come to an agreement, in fact, that’s why at the very beginning of your program there was a big quote about liberum: about all the strength of the gentry, and so on, and so on, when we come to warsaw, i naturally visited there, well, a couple, three dozens of times, yes, well, yes, a classic european capital, well, what can you hold there, of course, in catholic, generally conservative poland, you can have a gay parade in warsaw, but when you come to some, well, as we say, regional center, lublin
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voivodeship, i assure you, what a gay parade, here if i don’t serve in the church at the appointed time, then it means i’m already a child of hell, because any normal pole should be in the service, he should lead the life that his ancestors led, that is, this e and in the east, to a lesser extent in the west, of course, according to for obvious reasons, but this is a country of traditions, rights and justice will rely on such traditionalists , by the way, this is what unites us, and, by the way, when the first... time justice and justice came to power, we had certain hopes that this understanding of christian values ​​and traditions will unite us, but alas, anti -russian, anti-belarusian issues have knocked poland out of the list of, not even allies, but simply neutral countries, but it is no coincidence that
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we saw the president of the republic of belarus v form, surrounded by the military, why does everything... worry us in polish relations with poland, but everything is generally calm, because poland, poland of the 21st century, respects strength and sees that the republic of belarus is not unarmed, understands the threats, so they speak they can and will say a lot, no matter who forms the coalition, but i still proceed from the fact that they will not agree to obvious open military provocations, although this is a kind of courage. dear nikolai evgenievich, to state such forecasts. well, by the way, it’s interesting how the voter makes his choice, because for for some, tusk is indeed a product of soros, and of the globalist elites; in him, he certainly has the threat of imposing a traditional, classical
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perception of man and the world on poland, and globalist ideas, which are indeed alien to many, but in this case... they give preference civil position, because many are tired of the militant rhetoric that we hear every day from the same moravian, duda? i would probably say this, we cannot fully predict on what basis a simple pole makes a choice, because we don’t live there, we don’t know this situation, but based on this, let’s say, a look from the country allows us to say that today poland is split. it is split not really, but mentally, there is practically, i won’t say 50/50, but somewhere 40/40, plus some additional components, these are people. these 40% are those people who adhere to almost radical positions, and one, and here you understand, the gap is not only mental,
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not only geographical, not only economic, components have appeared here, which poland could not even think about before, since it is, in principle, a single state, the majority, the poles were correctly said, catholics with the corresponding values, the state was thus... downloaded, shown, it was made so dependent on europe that today they themselves have to defend their identity, surprisingly , rights and justice, which is now baptized from right to left, is the force that defends, at least in the eyes of the poles, this identity and historicity, yes, they play on nationalism, yes, they play the military card very strongly, but at the same time... they are trying to break away from the protectorate of europe and the dictates of europe, a specific dictate in the economic sphere, a specific dictate in other areas,
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including in the social sphere , this gay, as you say, the gay pride parade , everything else, this is what is tearing apart polish society , not everyone is ready for this, justice has long been in power, people are already a little tired of it, and the most important thing is something else, dim, which was before this... prime minister, during his period of rule, let's say, poland lived in better conditions, well, the circumstances were different, there were good relations with the east, it was a transit state, received a subsidy from the european union, that is, people really about they remember this, it was better then, and today each of the poles votes with nothing more than his own pocket and the future that he sees for his people, children, grandchildren and so on, here there is hope for... something new, but at the same time time is the concept of what it is something new can make things worse for the country and personally for his citizen, something like this, we are talking about donald
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tusk, and of course, i would like to remind excerpts from his biography to our respected viewers, section portraits, donald tusk. attention to the screen. donald tusk - polish and european statesman and politician, one of the founders of the polish civic platform party from 2000 from 7 to 2014 as prime minister of poland, then he resigned for the post of chairman of the european council, from 2019 to 2022 he was chairman the european people's party is the largest transnational party in the european union. tusk has repeatedly proposed radically changing the polish constitution, limiting the role of the president and expanding the powers of the head of government, establishing the senate and reducing the number of sejm deputies from 460 to 300. however , all this remained unrealized; he also advocated close political and economic integration of poland into the european union, which the country joined in 2004,
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advocates maintaining eu sanctions against russia until full restoration territorial integrity of ukraine. nikolai maratovich, we have been saying quite often lately that bright personalities, bright leaders in the european union have been exterminated. merkel was probably behind... an exceptional character who has now passed the era of merkel. mr. tusk, what is your personal attitude towards him, recalling various episodes of his biography? mr. tusk enjoyed good support during the period when he was prime minister, he enjoys the support of part of the polish population, and today, in fact, under him, as elections have been held for a political figure, yes, but there is. nuance: donald tusk is a pole, but a koshup, and this is a nationality, or ethnic group
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, of germanized poles who experienced the greatest impact from prussia, uh, he is not pro-european from the point of view of programs, not from the point of view of the program. as they sometimes say, he is pro-european in life, in this sense one cannot expect anything good from him, but in fact, in the quiet times, poland developed active ties with china, and how to get from china to poland, through russia and through belarus, there were dozens, hundreds echelons with cargo from europe to china, from china to europe, and each pole got a very specific one from this. zloty, in many ways, it seems to me, a vote for his party is a vote in support of that course, but it cannot be, because today the position of tusk,
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russia and belarus is no different from the position of his opponents, on abortion yes, but you know , poland is still not ethiopia, here the problem of abortion is not so worrying for absolutely all age groups, well somehow, in general , even this problem is being solved, and one more moment, well, from personal impressions, in eastern poland, i heard many times from my polish friends that this is a german, he is simply called a german, but here you have to understand, any pole hears from his mother in the cradle that do not trust russians, comma and don’t trust the germans, that is, yes, the main enemies are in the east, but in the west they are also enemies, in this sense , here is the last vote
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we are talking about, the western voivodeship voted for tutsk and his party, and the eastern ones voted for kaczynski, of course, this at the level of voivodships, at the level of communes, powiats, the situation will be look much more difficult, warsaw is generally as usual, well, minsk votes differently, moscow votes differently, riga votes differently than latvia , yes, well whatever, but in general this situation exists, so there will be some instability, and why is tusk actually proposing , limit... the powers of the president, well, because this is an old polish pastime, either increasing the powers of the president or reducing them. pelsudsky was removed from power, he sat and thought and, so to speak, resolved issues with the military, once the coup was in poland, and returned to save the polish state, however, he died, i would say on time, the whole weight of the shame of the division
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of czechoslovakia, which we heard from our respected colleague from the czech republic, did not fall on his shoulders, there was enough other shame, but this did not fall, it lay on his successors, which is why, of course, in poland now there will be not very simple processes, first they will propose to form a coalition, of course , to morowiecki, that is, justice, and then of course, if morowiecki fails to cope, and the chances are 50/50, yes, how meet a dinosaur names yes, what are the chances, 50% of the meeting, 50, no, yes, here, and then they will transfer the right to form coalitions to tusk, well, he may not succeed, then there will be new elections, and this will, of course, be masterpiece, the opposition naturally expects that tusk will take the chair of prime minister, is there a chance, nikolai evgenich, what do you think? there is a possibility, but again, i agree with my colleague, 50/50, no more, for one
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simple reason. you can’t write off the authority of peace today, you can’t, it’s such a party that, again, it’s adaptive, secondly, able to use any factors in their interests, i would not be surprised if they find their supporters within these parties , which are large, where we speak, there is not one party, there are several parties within, their supporters, and they will have it... .. somewhere a few dozen votes, which may not even directly support them, but will vote so necessary, will either buy or persuade, the party of rights and justice has a very large resource left, including in the authorities, in the authorities and in the means media, financial sphere, in the sphere of industry, economics and so on, so the likelihood that this
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could happen is tusk. this is 50/50, but i also want to turn to one point, to tusk, because horseradish is not sweeter than radish by and large, kochinsky happens, well , if we go into history, he comes from the family of a regional army officer, kochinsky, as for tusk , his grandfather served in the german troops for a period, and then the most interesting thing is that he himself, as a historian, by the way, had his first education in history, he studied pilsudski very carefully and from him there was even a corresponding job when he was studying at the university regarding pilsudski, i in no way exclude that the example of this polish politician stuck very deeply with him, and he has the direction to the east in his head in the same way as kocinski, and decide their problems at the expense of external enemies, this is a very good option that can be solved by one or the other candidate. this
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will not make it any easier for us, i remind you that on the air of the program sas is authorized to announce that we are summing up the results of the parliamentary elections in poland, our film crew visited poland, on the eve of and after the parliamentary elections, i talked with the poles, learned about their moods and their expectations, we look together. in service, the states pursue their own policies and want to control the polish state, its government, they demand influence on the central system of the country, and today we can clearly see how we have lost polish sovereignty. we are lost in poland. everything that whole generations have built. we watch this government with sadness, we have slipped in terms of living standards for several decades back, inflation is rising, the economy is in decline, and we are generally approaching the moment when we will be withdrawn from schengen and the european union.
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there are not even competitors in these elections, be it the opposition or the ruling party, there is one principle of pursuing american interests , they leave the poor polish people, literally, speaking, poor and weak, we cannot do what we need, are able to compete to have equal rights political struggle with our modest means. today at a very critical moment in this election, which should influence for the life of a pole, we only get the loss of sovereignty. without this political sovereignty and the ability to somehow influence it, we cannot in any way follow in accordance with national interests. let's continue our discussion. of course, i would like to draw attention in a little more detail to the opposition party in poland, which. are going to form a coalition, they differ on many issues and the coalition will be problematic, let’s take a closer look at our certificates that we prepared with our colleagues. according to the results of the elections in poland, the majority of seats in in total, three
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opposition parties received parliament. the civil coalition led by donald tusk received more than 30% of the votes. the alliance promises to correct the mistakes of the current government in foreign and domestic policy, improve relations with brussels, and also liberate the state. media, cultural activities from current restrictions and censorship. about 15% of voters supported the third way. the bloc, which is based on the centrist polish peasant party, advocates an active role for the country in the european union and nato for the need strengthen relations with germany and france within the weimer triangle. against centralization of expanding the rights of influence of local government. about 9% of residents sided with the union of leftist parties. the movements support the establishment of relations between polish regions and the kaliningrad region of russia, oppose the transatlantic trade and investment partnership, rewriting the history of the second world war and the demolition of monuments in honor of the red army in poland. nikolai
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maratovich, it was not in vain that you said that in in poland, donald tusk is called a german. the experience of the coalition of social democrats, greens and liberals in germany itself has shown what an artificial unification... of all the friends of the globalists is, but in fact the team of government managers turns out to be ineffective, and the office of olaf scholz is now breaking all anti-records with its, well, really lowest level support in society, can we expect that tusk’s coalition will also face such an imminent crisis, collapse and early elections, which you have already talked about, and which will ensure the revenge of the piss. social democrats, 100 years ago, it was a party... which ultimately did not form a bloc with the communists in germany, as a result hitler came to power, then in concentration camps, social democrats and communists
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lived quite amicably, but not for long, that was the price for a mistake, but 100 years have passed, and those people who call themselves social democrats in europe today have nothing to do with social democracy... in their historical continuity, this is precisely hitler, not at all the social democrats of the weimar republic in germany, exactly like that there are pseudo-social democrats in estonia, in latvia and lithuania, social democrats in germany, they are faithful servants, well, as we would say. before the most vile imperialism and hegemonism, and their ancestors and with the same name went to the barricades against fascism, that’s the story, therefore
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, levitsa is a serious opponent for donald tusk, but she is still the weakest in the opposition system, nothing good for us, this tusk’s battle with kaczynski and his proteges does not promise, in foreign policy, they are, alas, very similar, and... expect some steps from them in on our side, at least for now, there is no reason, although you know, not so long ago i spoke with a member of the european parliament who represents germany, maximilian kra, he even took part in our program via skype several times, and took part in a round table in the european parliament, but after that the latvian vice-president decided to block our access to this institution , but nothing, i think we have other methods of communication, so he didn’t... said that not so long ago with a member of the european parliament who
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represents poland, talked and over a glass of beer, then he tells him, you know what i’m doing, right now, he says, well, tell me , i’m reading dostoevsky in russian, maximilian really laughed and was surprised, he says, why, he says, i think that soon it will come in handy, here’s how nikolai evgenvich interprets such words, because it seems that the russophobic position has captured the whole of poland, although it seems to me that thinking people and even part of society. unfortunately, we don’t have this sociology, but i’m not in the right mood, as we imagine, as that word, you said correctly, part of the answer sounded in your question: thinking people, they exist, they exist in poland, and there are sober-minded people, and those who today see what dilemma the country faces, it’s not for nothing that 72% of poles came to the polls, this has never happened before, even the previous time when they demolished... soviet power, that was in the nineties, the maximum number of people who came was that there was
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67 or so percent, that is, people see that life it became worse that they were going somewhere incomprehensible, those who think appeared, they were always there, but there are people who understand that poland may be late, poland may not have time to fit into the new picture of the modern world , which... is being built today in no way in europe, it is being built today in the east, that’s exactly the summit, which took place one train, one way, in china , where the chinese and russian leaders met, that’s where the foundations of the future world order are being laid, poland, the current politics of poland, they cut off this component and place poland outside of this, outside of this new entity, so...
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people began to re-read philosophical books in russian, they understand that cutting off the eastern vectors and abandoning the work of interaction with those who for centuries ensured the economic development of europe is impossible, this is nonsense, this is an artificial formation, this is... illogical, it is such a concept, logic, it calls for interaction, and those states that do not understand this in the near future will remain beyond the threshold of history, so today some are starting to read in russian, some are carefully looking at what it is belarusian language, and some remember that the kalining region is still part of russia, and not as some call it: changing the name, introducing incomprehensible
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understanding, sanctions are an outdated way of conducting dialogue, today we should not move on to a monologue with one sides, to mutually respectful dialogue. thank you very much, nikolai evgenievich, but we can’t help but recall the issue of the morovian grain embarg against ukraine carried out by the government. we have already talked about this, but something new is expected from the tusk government rapprochement with kiev. nikolai marich, do you agree with this, or is this again someone else’s wish list? of course, kiev would like to have a guaranteed channel of communication with berlin and brussels through warsaw, but there is no need to overestimate the degree of influence of donald tusk and his supporters, they cannot, they do not have
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such results as to ignore the opinion of at least half of the poles, and that half of the poles , which really depended on the grain transaction, these are farmers, processors, residents of small cities, towns, they kaczynski's electorate, and if they now feel a threat that tusk , suppose he comes to power, will... this agenda, in the presidential elections, they will all vote for the protégé of law and justice, then the government, even if it is formed... it will be bad, the army will belong to law and justice, foreign affairs will belong to law and justice, like the president, and state security will also belong to law and justice, and these are serious levers, these are very serious levers, well then, after all, in good old poland
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one can never rule out a military coup as a means of solving internal problems, tradition , well, it’s tough, by the way, it is important to note that the new coalition will include poland... but most likely it will be difficult in the end for tusk to either maintain the ban on ukrainian exports or risk collapse your coalition is already at the start, well, there’s some kind of one here, you still need to look at a third option, you can tusk, because if he manages to create a government for himself, he can come to an agreement with the european union, here there may appear... corresponding additional payments from the european union, corresponding bonuses that will make it possible to cover this direction, including work from ukraine, but this is again huge, risks for the european budget, and yes, tusk will be helped, i have no doubt, the european union will help him and they will solve this issue, but such friendship as
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it was almost six months ago, the unification of two states, a single confederation, and so on. this will not happen, every person, every citizen, including a polish citizen, he first of all thinks what it will bring to him, but it will bring the collapse of polish agriculture, it will go further industry, problems in the financial sector, and so on, it is on the rise, that the trigger in this case may be agriculture, and the electorate of agriculture is kaczynski’s electorate, and here the elites will have to negotiate, they will not find a point with well of course, nothing fundamentally will change in poland’s foreign defense policy, and even in relations with germany everything will not be as it was under tusk and komarovsky, because then merkel was in berlin, now there is no one even close to her, there are reasons
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polish liberals will always find new tensions with ukraine, because the reason for these tensions is fundamental: ukrainian nationalism is ready to be accepted in... look what a thing, there are half as many people living in estonia as in minsk, for brussels to feed estonia, well , it’s not a problem at all, but poland is a completely different conversation, taking into account all mr. tusk’s wishes, compensating for this, this, these are absolutely wild expenses for rearmament. that is, for brussels to pay in warsaw, and with this money she will buy weapons in korea and washington, but let’s not run away from brussels completely, well, there are no such idiots there, and we are talking about billions, not millions, but billions, so
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tusk doesn’t have many opportunities to buy the loyalty of junior members of the coalition, something to him they will give from old memory, after all, a european leader, of this class, but not at all, poland is too big, well then it’s absolutely true, in order for berlin to help warsaw, there must be other people in berlin, merkel with her east german past, traditions , some awareness of historical guilt before poland, even before the soviet union, is a different person, today germany is led by a lady, well, whose views , to put it mildly, raise questions not only from a political, but from a medical point of view, adequacy, yes, that is, questions of adequacy, therefore, a corridor of possibilities
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donald tusk’s is also, in general, narrowing, but look, not so long ago we discussed on air poland’s ambitions in relation to western ukraine - poland, now we have already divided ukraine into three such quite significant pieces, today the situation has changed, what is the reason, in your opinion, or is it temporary, you know, this is an adaptation to the times and the solution of political problems, as for the wishes, they remain, in no way will poland abandon this project, they are tied to it. the future, there are many political figures, big money, the philosophy of a pole, an ordinary person who remembers what happened there. this is one thing, on the other hand, look at ukraine, everyone divides it all the time, they tell this and that,
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but there is a real war going on there, and to some someday we will have to restore this, poland is not a world-class player, he is not a world-class player who can restore, restore order even in ukraine, this is the first, second, there are historical differences that are largely not forgotten and unknown. how will it all turn out if, god forbid, poland tries to move into the territory of ukraine. the third point, let 's be honest, the ukrainian army, even if it is small now, is a fighting army capable of fighting back, and if the decision is eastern, there will be found, and compromises will be decided, i am far from thinking that poland will be able to cope with ukraine’s potential if this suddenly happens. well, probably the most important thing. poland itself probably realized long ago, and the political elites, that they are not able to bite off this big piece, but they are not able
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to do this today, so they are looking for those who will either pay for this component or help, and the bet is on the united states, but here’s the worst thing, they just can’t realize for themselves that the world has changed, the united states does not have the weight and opportunities that it had recently, today's events in the middle east show that even small states are not ready to sacrifice their interests for the sake of the united states, they raise their voice, they express their point of view, including a very small state , so to speak, palestine, which really does not exist, but abbas said that he would not meet with the us president, and he complied with it. where has this been seen, but poland just doesn’t want to realize that it needs
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to fit into a new picture, here, here this internal dismantling of poland, it goes to another plane, on a global scale, poland is a small state solving its internal problems that are small for the world, for europe , yes, this is some kind of litmus test, so to speak, paper, what is happening inside the union, but no one perceives these political processes as a world event, pay attention, we are talking about this topic, the czech republic is already looking at it from the outside, germany sees it even further, and other states generally say, where is poland, and this exists , earlier for sure ukraine was perceived the same way, yes, that’s why it seems to me that it’s huge. part of ukrainian society is happy about the horror of what is happening, because for quite a long time ukraine has not left all the world media, from the front pages, today the situation
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has changed dramatically, nikolai maratovich, when conflicts of such a terrifying scale occur in the world, we see a religious war, the arab-israeli conflict, well, it’s impossible to look at this without tears, we see a conflict on the territory of ukraine, when two clashed fraternal people, i am not afraid of this word, and we are, first of all, slavs... and the fact that such rather unpleasant conflict situations are happening in the relations between belarus and poland, that’s what you think, will the moment come, which should be a challenge on a global scale, so that all these internal squabbles, both internal and external , go into the background, and understand the primary task, which was between peoples who are so similar, i think that this is quite possible, but for this you need to come out the most... . edge of the abyss, that is, it’s not easy to reach the edge of the abyss, stand there, look there and still turn around, and what is indicative
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of the conflict in the middle east is that our american, by the way, analysts clearly show the sequence of leading to a global conflict, drawing together iran, china, russia of the whole world, that is, everything pours into one vortex, in the case of i would note, despite the seriousness of the situation, that we have not sunk that far, sometimes our russian patriotic speakers say, well, we didn’t drop a nuclear bomb on kiev, or at least there is something very big and heavy there, well, they didn’t tear down the ukrainian parliament there, look what happened to the hospital, who? was ready to believe that this is israel,
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those who are ready to believe the opposite, that these are the palestinians themselves they blew up their hospital , i don’t know what about killing, but they are also confident in their truth, there is a conflict there, in two or three moves it becomes irreversible, we are still for a year and a half, a little more already, we are balancing on the very edge, it seems that no one wants to leave this. into the abyss, pay attention to what nikolai evgenievich said, poland is not ready to bet on all its capabilities for the sake of even lviv, but if lev is brought to her on a plate with a silver lining, well, why not take it if they bring it, but just like that, in order for the polish military to come and say, guys, well, 200 thousand in total will need to be put down by the poles, and your lions,
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no, they will say, what’s this? actually, but now imagine what they will be told, put the same 200,000 for some kharkov, which has never been polish, well, for any geographical combinations, or for the crimea, the poles will say, why, well, lviv is a place of our historical memory, yes we have always been there and so on, but here something is, therefore, the desire of poland or germany, especially france there, god forgive me, portugal and malta , you... well, this will not happen, but the middle east, given that unique the support provided by the united states to israel is very dangerous, but the united states has always acted this way, they have acted this way for 100 years, and the world has changed, and today the opinion of, well, in general, a second-rate
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emir from the persian gulf is becoming more and more... brazil says, no, please, this does not suit us, south africa, india, china, and so it is that 80% of the planet, well, at least they do not approach this conflict from an american position, the americans could not understand this from the example of ukraine, so now they are being shown another picture, like guys, well , understand , times have already passed, you are not 73 year, but buy a calendar at the nearest stall, poland exists, it is our closest neighbor, and this is a given of fate, we must live in harmony with our neighbors, i once again support and fully quote the words of our president: we must live in harmony with our neighbors, build appropriate
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relationships, but remember that there must be dialogue. two-sided, we must remember our interests, we must remember who we are, if they want to talk to us, we must not push away, we should perhaps forgive some offenses, but we should never sacrifice your own interests, you cannot go and work to please some uncle , we have our own country, we have... independence, we have partners and friends whom we support, so god grant all the best to the polish people, so that they understand their own politics and ultimately understand that a good peace is always better than any war. thank you very much, i am grateful to the participants of the discussion for an interesting conversation, in
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conclusion i would like to remind you that the famous liberal government has the right to stop work the entire sejm, at the request of one deputy in 1669, was first used by shlyakhtich from kiev , adam alizar. it will be funny if now the ukrainian issue related to the export of grain through poland blocks the work of the new coalition in warsaw. the main thing is that it doesn’t happen, as they say in ukraine, when the lords fight and the slaves’ forelocks crack. thank you, it was the “sas authorized” program. they declared. poland faces a long period of internal political instability. in the new project , we bring cultural gifts and remember folk traditions. according to the traditions of belarus, bread is never unlined, the geta got busy, the bread is over. dyvany
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is the soul of the belarusian people. sunny days embrace the traditional production of grains, and also turn to the historical past. eight geta pabudova, yana sparkled to the punishment mindaug, your karney. the geta is so outstanding that on the next month you can swim for an hour. there was spachatku garadzishcha, then zamak, and then zeinichaya tsarkva. our country, belarus , has always been famous for such noble people, and there we have developed a great standard of hospitality.
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just one chance to show your strength, this is a ball of thread, thread oriadny, thread oriadny, the absolutely correct answer, as perpet mobile is translated from latin, i took latin 2 years ago, the last time, this is an amazing revelation, to demonstrate your intellectual potential to the whole country . well, what are you going to do, well , absolutely simultaneously our participants click on which english football club plays its home matches at the stadium,

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