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on our tv channel. hello, the program “sas” is on the air, i have the right to announce. i am its presenter nadezhda sas, i greet you. let me remind you that this is a program for those who want to better understand what is happening and understand how these processes, events, people will affect the life of the country and each of us. let's summarize the results of the parliamentary elections in poland immediately after the digest of key events in world politics this week. more than 800 people were killed and injured due to the attack on the hospital. slave hospital in the gas sector. palestine blamed israel for the attack. in turn, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu stated that the israeli military was not involved. the israeli army is convinced that islam is guilty jihad. the heads of middle eastern countries blamed

jerusalem for the incident. authorities in iraq and saudi arabia called the attack a war crime, and the egyptian president said israel had violated international laws and demanded an immediate ceasefire. but the jordanian leadership canceled it. a planned summit on the israeli-palestinian conflict with the leaders of the united states, egypt and palestine. in belgium, a gunman shouting allah akbar shot and killed two swedish fans. the incident occurred approximately 5 km from the stadium, where on the evening of 16 in october, a qualifying match for euro 2024 took place between the football teams of belgium and sweden. after news of the shooting, the game was interrupted. a video of someone speaking in arabic has surfaced on social media. the man claimed that he was the shooter. in the video , he called himself a follower of the islamic state group and said that he killed infidels, thereby avenging the muslims who were dying for the religion. the situation with the terrorist attack may repeat itself, because belgium has become

a refuge for hundreds of thousands of immigrants who are not integrated into european society. in beijing, on the last day of the one train one track international forum , vladimir putin held talks. and sidzenpina. the meeting lasted 3 hours. putin agreed with the need for close foreign policy coordination between moscow and beijing. he also shared his forecast that trade turnover between russia and china will exceed 200 billion by the end of 2023. the head of gazprom, alexey miller , said on the sidelines of the forum that the volume of pipeline supplies of russian gas to china in the near future could reach volume that was previously supplied to western european countries. russia has been supplying since 2019. in keiner gas via the power of siberia pipeline, it is expected that by 2024 supplies through it will reach a volume of 30 billion cubic meters. there is also a project for the power of siberia 2 gas pipeline, which involves the supply of up to 50 billion cubic meters

of gas from russia to china through mongolia. well, today we are talking about poland again. in warsaw, not only is the government changing, politics, internal struggle, and traditions of the gentry are returning there again. and i would like to cite this regarding the quote from the historian nikolai heinz: leaving a heavy yoke for the people. the gentry sought freedom for themselves, which can only exist in an abstract concept , and the result of such efforts was the liberum veto, which gave the right to one member of the sejm to paralyze the decisions of all the others. famous historical uninvited. phrase: which can serve the best eloquence. the grave of poland, will those who imagine themselves the builders of the new polish-lithuanian commonwealth expect the same ending that befell the past such a power, we say in today’s program, i am glad to welcome you, in our studio is already present nikolai

evgenevich buzin, doctor of military sciences, professor, hello, and nikolai moratovich mizhevich, doctor of economic sciences, director of the center for belarusian studies at the institute of european ranks, i am glad to welcome you. good afternoon, according to tradition, we begin our program with a flash question. do you expect poland to now turn inward and limit its international ambitions? nikolai marotovich. i think that in the coming month poland’s activity on foreign policy tracks, as they now say, will decrease somewhat. well, we must first figure out who owns the country, and then move east. russia and belarus and to the west against germany, but first you still need to understand yourself a little. considering the resignations of a number of leaders of the armed forces of the polish republic, this task is urgent. and then, then everything

will return to the previous anti-belarusian and anti-russian course. yes, nikolai evgenievich, will the internal and external policy change, and will there be enough for classes, taking into account the internal strife. i completely agree with nikolai aratovich regarding the part concerning activities of poland in the near future. she will be approximately busy with her own work until the new year. periodically, turning to the external vector, so to speak, but as for the fact that activity will decrease, probably not, in all likelihood not, because as soon as they figure it out inside, they will immediately remember about the grievances, they will immediately remember about their geostrategic tasks right away , if they forget, they will be reminded by their overlord what they must do, in the near future, this is clear, i am glad to welcome to our

studio josef skala, the leader of the communist party of the czech republic of moravia, josef, glad to see you, we are discussing the results of the parliamentary elections in poland, how did czech society personally perceive the results of these elections, did they surprise you? good afternoon to you and your colleagues, and good afternoon, of course, to all tv viewers. the czech public may not be that interested in the polish elections. but that part of our society that is more politically active, in my opinion, precisely its alternative part, would agree with what your guests in the studio simply said, yes, poland has very little independence in its foreign policy, it is connected to the tasks of its sovereign, as it was beautifully called here, and i think that the difference between donald tusk and his... government and the previous government will be more in

the details than in what some strategic changes. i wanted to say that our generation, which remembers more, of course, can hardly forget about the very tragic consequences of polish nationalism in the thirties, when it finally got involved with the munich diktat and simply stole from us. and so on and it seems to me that this illness, spiritual, maybe it is mental , is returning to the polish nationalists, they just think again that they can become some kind of important player, on behalf of a foreign power, in the thirties we all remember who was this power, today we also know who that power is , so this is not a very good follow-up for us from that

point of view, joseph, and just for a moment i want to draw the attention of our viewers and of course clarify with you, right, justice on the one hand, civic position on the other hand, here if we are talking about establishing relationships, will the foreign policy of relations with the same republic of belarus change, in your opinion, because part of the belarusian society... are convinced that tusk’s civic position is rather a new opportunity for softer relations between countries? i would also like to hope that donald tusk is closer, say, to brussels than to washington to the same extent as kaczynski and others, so now that the conflict in the east is in ukraine, so to speak, we are going in that direction, in that direction.

which the west did not expect this, in my opinion, the european union will also have to maneuver, and here the question will arise of large emigration from ukrainians to the west, here to poland and so on and other, so to speak, consequences of what is happening in ukraine, maybe poland itself will feel more of his, say, instinct of survival, or as it is called in russian, and perhaps pursue... stupid policies that do not help either europe, or poland, or us. thank you very much, josef skala, the leader of the moravian communist party was with us communications, nikolai evgenievich, please tell me, right and justice has really changed its communication with the electorate, literally in the last month before the elections they remembered that ukrainians behave quite aggressively in poland, they remembered that they need to think about personal interests. again, the situation with the emarga of ukrainian grain, what do you think, how

will their policy, rights and justice develop further, a very specific party that is adaptive, this word probably suits its leaders very well, they they are ready to adapt to the situation, they feel very well, the intensity of passions in society, and even the most surprising thing, they know how to give credit where credit is due, they know how to use their own... mistakes in the interests of pursuing their own policies, therefore, in my opinion, it is wrong to say that something will change, in all likelihood, these were all pre-election promises... promises and the playing of those cards that could bring some benefit to the party, as soon as the elections are held everything will be clear with the authorities, if they retain power, i think everything will be switched to the same realities as it was, probably, the interest of its own people, it

will be secondary in relation to the tasks that the party leaders will solve, well, after processing, you can be 100% confident. that ultra-right conservatives are losing parliament, a coalition of leftists and liberals, power in poland is really changing, pay attention to the graphics with the results of parliamentary elections, colleagues, please, it is gratifying that in belarus and in russia those few who follow poland have an attitude towards this much more rational and more reasonable than in europe and poland itself, where they sing the song of getting rid of kaczynski, the understanding that for belarus nothing will change due to the change of power, gives... detachment and emotionlessness, so they contribute to analyticity, nikolai moratovich, an absolutely correct formulation of the question , we are calm, we are rational, uh, we, after all, for the most part are not poles, although poles live in the republic of belarus, in the russian federation, well, the majority, let

’s say, are not poles, so we look at how you are the winners in the elections , treat us, well it's quite natural, right? everyone looks at it that way, so what do we see, right, justice and the civil platform are forces in relations between moscow and minsk, occupying almost the same position, yes, right and justice is oriented towards washington, the civil platform is oriented towards berlin and brussels, but that makes it easier for us, for us there is some difference, no, another thing is that it is not very clear who will start looking for ways for negotiations and compromises earlier? brussels with berlin or washington with london, oh well if washington and london or brussels and berlin begin to look for ways to negotiate with moscow and minsk, then the position of these parties will change, they will be the first to come to moscow, to minsk, and so to speak, they will send delegations

, they will bring flags, it will begin, well, it ’s unlikely peaceful friendship, but at least business, frankly speaking, our time is already quite good, but for this the position must change not in warsaw, in washington in brussels. is it generally correct to say that power is changing in poland, taking into account the fact that in the country a fairly strong presidential institution, and anzhi duda will remain in this post until 2025, power does not change, only individual policy vectors can change, nothing more, i would like to draw your attention once again to this graph, it is very indicative, justice is civil law platform, by and large there is an internal showdown within the state, the elites, one part of the elites is trying to maintain their status quo to remain in power, the second part is a civil platform . the third way is the new left, to create some kind of

a new reality or maybe development, but nothing will change radically, and about this, this is the main thesis that everyone needs to understand. who is considering these elections, the essence of poland’s policy will not change, it doesn’t matter, we really liked the previous remark, if it’s the united states, europe, no, forget it, the usa, europe are particular, the main thing is there is a position, let’s call it the western world, today’s , it is not united, it doesn’t matter, but europe works today under united, it lies under united the united states and we are not going anywhere from this, the united states today is the most. a state that imposes its position on the european union, respectively, will poland be closer to the european union, closer to the united states, or will it obey directly, receiving instructions, or will it receive the same instructions through the european union, so

there is still no hope for an improvement in the interstate situation not until a decision is made overseas. i want us to hear the opinion of the leader of the republic of belarus right now. they behave and will behave, but how they will behave. there is always hope, that these are understandable, like those, there is some hope that they will still take their heads in their hands and work to improve relations. by the way, this position is also shared by diplomats, including those from poland, who work for us, we must give them their due, well done, they understand what is happening, but they also gave up, they are waiting for elections, and they say, but if new forces come to power, that is, there is hope that there will be some kind of reboot, well, yes, this is possible... hope, well, we, you see, we don’t hope for anything, we are preparing to the maximum for

the worst options, prepare for the worst, the best, well, okay, yes, it’s impossible not to agree, and indeed, i think it supports and your words, president, regarding the fact that you cannot entertain yourself with illusions, you cannot watch what is happening with rose-colored glasses, unfortunately, this is again an illusion of choice. among citizens of the european union, it is present, but in fact nothing changes, nikolai moradovich, it is important that our viewers understood that the law and justice party, which had ruled for 8 years, was opposed not just by three separate political forces , with their own programs, they are very different from each other, quite significantly, but also that each of the three opposition parties is essentially an electoral bloc, uniting smaller political forces. in other words, in fact, in the new coalition there will be not just three subjects, but at least six: from the ultra-liberal spring

led by the openly gay robert biedron to conservative polish peasant party, this is how they can jointly govern interact? it will be very difficult for them to come to an agreement, in fact, that’s why at the very beginning of your program there was a big quote about the liberumt, about the influx of the gentry, and so on and so forth, when we... since yes, well, yes, a classic european capital, well, what to do there, of course, in catholic, generally conservative poland, gay parade is possible in warsaw, but when you come to some, well, as we say, regional center, lublin voivodeship, i assure you, what a gay pride parade, here if i don’t serve in the church at the appointed time, then it means i’m already from... hell, because any normal pole should be in the service, he should lead the life that was led to him

ancestors, that is, in the east, to a lesser extent in the west, of course, for obvious reasons, but this is a country of traditions, and justice relies on such traditionalists, and will continue to rely. and by the way, this is what unites us, and, by the way, when justice first came to power, we had it. hope that that this understanding of christian values ​​and traditions will unite us, but alas , anti-russian, anti-belarusian issues knocked poland out of the number of, well, not even allies, but simply neutral countries, but it is no coincidence that we saw the president of the republic of belarus in uniform surrounded by the military, why everything worries us in polish relations with poland, but everything is generally calm. because poland, poland of the 21st century , respects strength and sees that the republic

of belarus is not unarmed and understands threats, so they can and will talk a lot say, no matter who forms the coalition, i still proceed from the fact that they will not agree to obvious open military provocations, although this is some kind of courage in the presence of the respected nikolai evdenovich, to declare such forecasts. it’s interesting how the voter makes his choice, because for some, tusk is truly a product of soros, and the globalist elites; he also certainly has the threat of imposing a traditional, classical poland in its perception of man and the world, and globalist ideas, which are really alien to many , but in in this case, they give preference to a civil position, because many are tired of the militant rhetoric that we hear every day from the lips of the same morovetsky, duda, i would probably say this,

we cannot fully predict on what basis a simple pole makes a choice, because we don’t live there, we don’t know this situation, but based on so to speak, a look from the outside allows us to say that today poland is split, not split in reality, but mentally, there is... practically i won’t say 50/50, but about 40 to 40, plus some additional components, these are people, these 40%, these are those people who adhere to almost radical positions, and one and here you understand, the gap is not only mental, not only geographical, not only economic, here are the components that were mentioned earlier poland couldn’t even think about it, since it is, in principle , a single state. the majority, the poles, it was correctly said, catholics with the corresponding values,

thus rocked the state, showed how dependent it was on europe. what today they themselves have to defend their identity, surprisingly right, justice, which is now being baptized from right to left, is the force that defends, at least in the eyes of the poles , identity and historicity, yes, they play on nationalism, yes, they very much play the military card , but at the same time they are trying to break away from the protectorate of europe and the dictates of europe, a specific dictate in the economic sphere, a specific dictate in other areas, including in the social sphere, this gay, as you say, the gay pride parade, everything else, this is what is tearing polish society apart, not everyone is ready for this, justice has been in power for a long time, people are already a little tired of it, and the most important thing is something else, tusk,

who was before this prime minister , during his reign, let’s say, poland lived in better conditions , but the circumstances were different, there were good relations with the east, it was a transit state, received a subsidy from the european union, that is, people actually remember this, it was better then, and today each of the poles votes nothing more than his own pocket and the future that he sees for his people, children, grandchildren and so on, here there is hope for something new, but at the same time there is the concept that this new thing can... make things worse for the country and for his citizen personally , something like this, we are talking about donald tusk, and of course, i would like to remind our dear viewers of an excerpt from his biography, portraits section, donald tusk, attention to the screen. donald tusk - polish and european statesman, one of the founders of the polish party

civic platform, from 2007 to 2014, was prime minister of poland. then he himself resigned to take the post of president of the european council. from 2019 to 2022, he was chairman of the european people's party , the largest transnational party in the european union. tusk has repeatedly proposed radically changing the polish constitution, limiting the role of the president and expanding the powers of the head of government, strengthening the senate and reducing the number of sejm deputies from 460 to 300. however, all this remained unrealized. also advocated close. poland, which the country joined in 2004, advocates maintaining eu sanctions against russia until the territorial integrity of ukraine is fully restored. nikolaich, we have been saying quite often lately that bright personalities, bright leaders in the european union have been exterminated.

merkel was probably the last one to go crazy. mr. tusk, what is your personal attitude towards him, recalling various episodes of his biography? mr tusk enjoyed good support during the period when he was prime minister, he enjoys with the support of part of the polish population, and today, in fact, elections were held for him as a political figure, but there is a nuance, donald tusk, yes, but koshup, and this is a nationality, or ethnic group, of germanized poles who experienced the greatest impact from prussia, he not from the point of view of programs, not from the point of view of the program, he is pro-european, he is, as

they sometimes say, pro-european in life, in this... sense, nothing good can be expected from him, but indeed, in the past, uh, poland has developed very active ties with china, and how to get from china to poland, through russia and through belarus, there were dozens, hundreds of trains with cargo from europe to china, from china to europe, and each pole received a very specific zloty from this, in many ways, it seems to me, voting... .for his party is a vote in support of that course , but it cannot be, because today tusk’s position regarding russia and belarus is no different from the position of his opponents, on abortion yes, but you know, poland is still not

ethiopia , here is the problem of abortion, well not so concerns absolutely all age groups, well, somehow, in general, even this problem is solved, and one more thing, from personal impressions, in eastern poland, i heard many times from my polish friends, that this is a german, they simply call him him'. and here you have to understand, any pole hears from his mother in the cradle that don’t trust the russians, comma and don’t trust the germans, that is, yes, the main enemies are in the east, but in the west they are also enemies, in this sense, here is the last vote , which we say, the western voivodeship voted for tutsk and his party, and the eastern one for kaczynski. it’s clear, this is at the level of voivodships, at the level of gminas, poviatov, the situation will look much more complicated, warsaw in general, as usual, but minsk votes differently, moscow votes differently, riga

votes differently than latvia, yes, well, whatever, but in general this situation exists, therefore - there will be some instability , and why does tusk actually propose to limit the powers of the president, well, because this is an old polish game, then... he was removed from power, he sat and thought, with the military, so to say, he resolved the issues, once there was a coup in poland, and returned to save the polish state, however, he died, i would say on time, the whole burden of the shame of the partition of czechoslovakia, which we heard from our respected colleague from the czech republic, did not fall on his shoulders. there was enough other shame there, but this one didn’t fall, this one fell on his successors , that’s why - of course, in poland now there will be not very simple processes, first they will propose

to form a coalition, of course , to the morovian, that is, justice, and then of course, if morovetsky is not will cope, but the chances are 50x50, yes, how to meet nazybedskaya’s dinosaur, yes, what are the chances, 50% of the meeting is 50 no, yes. and then they will transfer the right to form coalitions to tusk, but he may not succeed, then there will be new elections, and this will, of course, be a masterpiece. the opposition, naturally, expects tusk to take the position of prime minister, is there a chance, nikolai evgenievich, what do you think? there is a possibility, but again, i agree with my colleague, 50/50, no more, for one simple reason, it is impossible to write off today... the authority of peace, it’s impossible, this is such a party that, again, is adaptive, and secondly, able to use any factors in its interests,

i would not be surprised if they find in the composition of these parties, which are large, where we speak, there is more than one party, there are several parties inside, their own supporters, and for them it will be enough, somewhere around a few dozen votes, which even... may not directly support them, but will vote, as necessary, either buy it or persuade it, the party has the right and justice is very great there is a resource left, including in government bodies, in bodies in the media, in the financial sector, in industry, economics and so on, so the likelihood that this can happen, tusk, is 50/50, but i want more turn to one point. potusku, because horseradish, radishes are not sweeter in the grand scheme of things. kochinsky , it happened, well, if we go into history, he comes from the family of a regional army officer, kochinsky

, as for tusk, his grandfather served in the german troops, for a period, and then the most interesting thing, in himself, as a historian, by the way, his first education was historical , he studied pilsudsky very carefully and he even had ... relevant work when he studied at the university regarding pilsudsky, i in no way exclude that an example of this polish politics, he has a very deep fuse, a direction to the east , he has in his head exactly the same as kochinsky, and solving his problems at the expense of external enemies is a very good option that can be solved by one, the second candidate, we benefit from this it won't be any easier. let me remind you that on the air of the program sas is authorized to say, we are summing up the results of the parliamentary elections in poland, our film crew visited poland on

the eve of and after the parliamentary elections, talked with the poles, learned about their moods and their expectations, we are watching together. the states are pursuing their own policies and want to rule the polish state, its government. we in poland have lost everything that entire generations have built. we are watching. by this government with sadness: we have slipped in terms of living standards for several decades back, inflation is rising, the economy is in decline, and we are generally approaching the moment when we will be withdrawn from schengen and the european union. there are not even competitors in these elections, be it the opposition or the ruling party , there is one principle of pursuing american interests , they leave the poor polish people, literally speaking, poor and weak, we cannot do what we need, we are not able to compete to have equal rights

political struggle with ours. somehow influence this, we cannot in any way follow in accordance with national interests, we continue our discussion , of course, i would like to draw attention in a little more detail to the opposition parties in poland that are going to form a coalition, on many issues the coalition will be problematic, let’s take a closer look at our certificates that we prepared with our colleagues. according to the results of the elections in poland, three opposition parties received the majority of seats in parliament. the civil coalition led by donald tusk received more than 30% of the votes. the alliance promises to correct the mistakes of the current government in foreign and domestic policy and to establish relations with brussels, as well as freeing state media cultural activities from current restrictions and censorship. about

15% of voters supported the third way, a bloc based on the centrist polish peasant party. advocates for the country's active role in the european union and nato for the need to strengthen relations with germany and france within the weimer triangle. against the centralization of expanding the right of influence of local self-government, about 9% of residents sided with the unification of the left parties. supporters of the movement support the establishment of relations between polish regions and the kaliningrad region of russia and oppose the transatlantic trade and investment partnership, rewriting the history of world war ii and the demolition of monuments in honor of the red army in poland. nikolai baratovich, it was not for nothing that you said that in poland donald tusk is called a german. the experience of the coalition of social democrats, greens and liberals in germany itself has shown what an artificial unification of all the friends of the globalists is, but in fact it turns out

ineffective team. state managers and the cabinet of olaf scholz is now breaking all anti-records with its, well, really the lowest level of support in society, can we expect that tusk’s coalition will also face such an imminent crisis, collapse and early elections, which you have already talked about, which will ensure revenge for the piss . the social democrats 100 years ago were a party that ultimately failed. social democrats and communists lived quite amicably, but not for long. this was the price for the mistake. but 100 years have passed. and those people who today they call themselves social democrats in europe and have

nothing to do with social democracy. historical continuity, this is precisely hitler, and not at all the social democrats of the weimar republic in germany , there are exactly the same pseudo-social democrats in estonia, in latvia in lithuania, social democrats in germany, they are faithful servants, well, as we said earlier, of himself vile. with the same name they went to the barricades against fascism, that ’s the story, so a serious opponent for donald tusk is a leftist, but she while the opposition is the weakest in the system,

this battle between tusk and kaczynski is nothing good for us. and his proteges do not promise, in foreign policy they, alas, are very similar, and to expect from them any steps in our direction, at least for now, there is no reason, although you know, not so long ago i talked with a member of the european parliament who represents germany, maximilian kra, he even took part in our program via skype several times, and took part in a round table in the european parliament, but after... the latvian vice-president decided to block we have access to this institution, but nothing, i think we have other methods of communication, so he told me that not so long ago with a member of the european parliament who represents poland. i was talking over a glass of beer and he tells him, you know what i ’m doing, right now, he says, well, tell me, i’m reading dostoevsky in russian. maximilian actually laughed and was surprised and said, why? says, i think it will come in handy soon, here’s how nikolai evgeniy interprets such words, because it seems that

the russophobic position has taken over the whole poland, although it seems to me that thinking people and even part of society, we unfortunately do not have this sociology, but they are not set up like that, the answer is: thinking people, they exist, they exist in poland, and there are sober-minded people, and those who today he sees the dilemma the country is facing, it’s not for nothing that 72% of poles came to the polls, this has never happened before, even the previous time when the soviet regime was demolished, that was in the nineties, the maximum turnout was. that is , people see that life has become worse, that they are going somewhere incomprehensible, those who think have appeared,

they have always been there, but people have appeared who understand that poland may be late, poland may not have time to fit into the new picture of the modern world, which is not being built today in any way in europe, it is being built: today in the east, this is precisely the summit that took place alone train, one track, in china, where the chinese, russian leaders met, that’s where the foundations of the future world order are laid, and poland, today’s politics of poland, they cut off this component and place poland outside this, outside this new formation, so smart people began to re-read books, philosophical in russian, they understand that by cutting the eastern vectors and refusing to work with those who have provided for centuries, the economic development

of europe is impossible, this is nonsense, this is an artificial formation, this is illogical, there is such a concept, logic . it calls for interaction, and those states that do not understand this in the near future will remain beyond the threshold of history, so today some are starting to read russian, some are carefully looking at what it is belarusian language, and some remember that the kaliningrad region is still part of russia, and not, as some people call it, changing the name, introducing an unclear understanding, sanctions are an outdated way of conducting dialogue. today we must move not to a monologue on the one hand, but to dialogue, mutually respectful. thank you very much, nikolai evgenievich, but we cannot

help but recall the issue of the moravian grain embargo carried out by the government against ukraine, we have already talked about this, but they expect the tusk government... do you agree with is it this, or is this again someone else’s wishlist, of course kiev would like to have a guaranteed channel of communication with berlin and brussels through warsaw, but one should not overestimate the degree of influence of tusk and his supporters, they cannot, they do not have such. to ignore the opinion of at least half of the poles, and that half of the poles that really depended on the land deal, these are farmers, processors, residents of small towns, towns, they

are kaczynski’s electorate, and if they now feel a threat that tusk, suppose, has come will come to power to implement this agenda in the presidential elections, everyone will vote for the protege of law and justice , then the government, even if it is formed by tusk, will have a bad time, the army will have law and justice, foreign affairs of law and justice will be like the president, and state security also for law and justice, and these are serious levers, these are very serious levers, and then, after all, in good old poland one can never rule out a military coup as a means of solution. by the way, it is important to note that the new coalition the polish peasant party will enter, and it is strongly opposed to the supply of ukrainian

products. collapse your coalition already at the start, well, something like this, there is still a third option to look at, you can tusk, because if he manages to create a government for himself, he can come to an agreement with the european union, here the corresponding additional payments from the european union may appear, corresponding . europe, and yes, tusk will be helped, i have no doubt, the european union will help him, and they will solve this issue, but such friendship as it was this was six months ago, almost, the unification of two states, a single confederation, and so on, this will not happen, every person. every citizen, including a polish citizen, he first of all thinks

what this will bring to him, but this will bring the collapse of polish agriculture, then industry will come, problems in the financial sector and so on, it is increasing, which could be the trigger in this case it is agriculture that will appear , and the electorate of agriculture is the electorate of kaczynski, and here the elites they will have to negotiate, they won’t find common ground, that’s where there will be problems, and of course, nothing fundamentally will change in poland’s foreign ... defense policy, and even in relations with germany everything will not be the same as it was under tusk and komarovsky, because then merkel was in berlin, now there is no one even close to her, polish liberals will always find reasons for new friction with ukraine, because the reason for these frictions is fundamental: ukrainian nationalism is ready to accept external control over the ukrainians of anyone, just not... look what a thing, here in estonia there live

half as many people as in minsk, for brussels, feeding estonia is not a problem at all, but poland is a completely different conversation, and take to balance, all mr. tusk’s wishes, to compensate for this , this, these are absolutely wild expenses for rearmament, that is, for brussels to pay in warsaw, and she will use this money to buy weapons in korea and washington. well, let's not offend brussels at all, well, such there is no idiot there, but we are talking about billions, not millions, about billions, so tusk doesn’t have many opportunities to buy the loyalty of junior members of the coalition , they will give him something for old times’ sake, after all, he is a european leader of this class, but not everything at all, poland, well then, absolutely true, in

order for berlin to help warsaw, there must be other people in berlin. merkel with her east german past, traditions, some awareness of historical guilt before poland, before even the soviet union, is a different person, today the ministry foreign affairs of germany, heads, well, whose views, to put it mildly, raise questions not only from a political, but from a medical point of view, adequacy, yes, that is , questions of adequacy, therefore, donald tusk’s corridor of opportunities is also generally narrowing , but look, not so long ago we discussed on air poland’s ambitions regarding ukraine, western ukraine, poland and now

we. this is an adaptation to the times and the solution of political problems, as for the wishes, they remain, in no way will poland abandon this project, on it very serious, future, a lot of political figures, big money, philosophy, a pole, an ordinary person who remembers what happened there and what happened, this is one thing, on the other hand, look at ukraine, everyone divides it all the time, they tell that there , but there is a real war going on there, and someone will have to restore it someday , poland is not a world-class player, he is not a world -class player who can restore, restore order even in... ukraine, this is the first thing. secondly, there are historical

differences that are largely not forgotten and it is unknown how this will all turn out, if god forbid, poland tries. move to the territory of ukraine. the third point, let's be honest, the ukrainian army, even if it is no longer large, is a fighting army capable of fighting back, and if a solution to the eastern direction is found and compromises are decided, i am far from thinking that poland will be able to cope with ukraine’s potential if this suddenly happens, and probably most importantly, poland probably realized itself a long time ago. and political elites that they are not able to bite off this big piece, but they are not able to do this today, so they are looking for those who will either pay for this component or help, and the bet is on the united states, but here the worst thing is, they will not

can realize for themselves that the world has changed, the united states does not have the weight and the opportunities that it had recently, today's event in the middle east... shows that even small states are not ready to sacrifice their interests for the sake of the united states, they are raising their voice , they express his point of view, including a very small state, well, let’s say palestine , which really doesn’t exist, but abas said that he would not meet with the president of the united states, and fulfilled this, where such a thing has been seen, but poland... does not want to realize , that it would be necessary to fit into a new picture, here, this internal dismantling of poland, it goes to another plane, on a global scale, poland is a small state solving its internal, small tasks for the world, for

europe, yes, this is some kind of litmus test, so to speak, of what is happening inside. union, but no one perceives these political processes as a world event, pay attention, we are talking about this topic, the czech republic is already looking at it from the outside, germany sees it even further, and other states generally say, where is poland, and this exists , they used to perceive ukraine in exactly the same way, yes, that’s why it seems to me that a huge part of ukrainian society is happy about the horror of what is happening, because when for quite a long time ukraine did not leave all the world media, from the front pages, today the situation has changed dramatically, nikolai maratovich, when conflicts of such a terrifying scale occur in the world, we see a religious war, the arab-israeli conflict, well, it’s impossible to look at this without tears, we see a conflict on the territory of ukraine, when two fraternal peoples clashed, i’m not

afraid of this word , and we are, first of all , slavs, and the fact that such quite unpleasant things are happening, in the relations between belarus and poland, is a conflict situation. this is what you think, will the moment come, what should be the global challenge to all these internal squabbles, both internal and external, they faded into the background, but they understood the primary task, which was between peoples who are so similar, i think that this is quite possible, but for this it is necessary to go to the very edge of the abyss, that is, not just go to the edge of the abyss, stand. look there and still turn around. what is indicative of the conflict in the middle east is that our american, by the way, analysts clearly show the sequence of leading to a global conflict, drawing together iran, china, russia and the whole world, that is, everything

pours into one funnel. in the case of ukraine, i would say, despite the seriousness of the situation. noted that we have not sunk that far, and sometimes our russian patriotic speakers say, well, we didn’t drop a nuclear bomb on kiev, or at least something very large and heavy there, well, we didn’t demolish the ukrainian parliament there, look, what happened to the hospital, those who were ready to believe that it was israel , they don’t need proof, they already know for sure that it is israel, you can kill them, but they will still know that it is israel. those who are ready to believe in the opposite, that it was the palestinians themselves who blew up their hospital, i don’t know how about killing, but they are also confident in their truth, there the conflict

becomes irreversible in two or three moves, after all, we’ve been here for a year and a half, no longer. .. a little, we are balancing on the very edge, it seems that no one wants to leave this edge into the abyss , pay attention to what nikolai evgenievich said, poland is not ready to bet on all its capabilities for the sake of even lvov, but if lev is her will be brought on a plate with blue border, why not take it if they bring it? but just like that, in order for the polish military to come and say, guys, well, 1,200 in total will need to be paid to the poles, and your lions, no, they will say, what is this, actually, and now imagine that they will be told “put the same 2,000 for what - kharkov, which has never been polish, well, in any geographical combination, or for the crimea, will lie down and say,

why, well, lviv is a place of our historical memory, but we have always been there and so on, but here, that’s why desire for poland or germany, especially there france, god forgive me, portugal and malta will fight until the last maltese for the sake of khan, but this will not happen, and the middle east, given the unique support that the united states provides to israel, is very dangerous, but the united states has always acted this way, they have acted this way 100 years, and the world has changed, and today the opinion of, well, in general, a second-rate emir from the persian gulf is becoming more and more heard, brazil says, no, please, this does not suit us. india,

china, and so much that 80% of the planet, well at least they do not approach this conflict from an american position, the americans could not understand this from the example of ukraine , now they are being shown another picture, like guys, well, well, understand, times have already passed, you are not in seventy-three, well buy a calendar at the nearest stall, judging by mr. biden’s statements, he still cannot understand that he really... poland exists, it is our closest neighbor, and this is a given of fate, we must live in harmony with our neighbors, i once again support and i fully quote the words of our president: you have to live with your neighbors amicably, build appropriate relationships, but remember that the dialogue must be two-way, we must remember our interests. we must remember who we are, if they want to talk to us, we must not push away, we must

perhaps forgive some offenses, but we must never sacrifice our own interests, we must not go and work to please some guy, we have our own country, we have our own independence, we have partners and friends whom we... support, therefore, god willing all the best to the polish people so that they understand their own politics and ultimately understand that a good peace is always better than any kind of war. thank you very much, i am grateful to the participants of the discussion for an interesting conversation, in conclusion i would like to remind you that the famous liberum veto, the right to stop the work of the entire sejm at the request of one deputy, was first used in 1669 by shlyakhtich from kiev adam alizar. it will be funny if now the ukrainian issue related to

the export of grain through poland is blocked the work of the new coalition in warsaw. the main thing is that it doesn’t happen, as they say in ukraine, when the lords fight and the slaves’ forelocks crack. thank you, this was the program sas is authorized to declare. poland faces a long period.