i will express the inexhaustible krynitsa there, dze razmova zmaukae, music instead of a thousand words. ivan vasilyevich, how does strength express itself for you? strength is expressed in self-confidence, confidence in the family, confidence in the state in which you live, confidence that we live correctly and that we have a future, that’s probably how it is somehow.

my guest is an experienced manager, for him duty, honor and love for the homeland are not empty words about real actions, today i am visiting the chairman of the central council of the dss, ivan dyrman, ivan vasilyevich, hello, now they talk a lot. the work of the dss is directly related to this, but when something is talked about a lot and often, the meaning of it is lost, and what do you personally mean by the meaning of the word patriotism? first of all, of course, the word patriotism, we put love for the homeland, loving the homeland, of course, is wonderful, i have to visit various regions of belarus, i visited almost every regional center in orda, made decisions with people, and

it seems to me that that it is impossible not to love our beautiful homeland, the republic of belarus, cities, people, life in our country, but you you know, this is probably not enough, in order for these conditions to be created, there must be patriots, that is, those people who not only love, but also do everything necessary to make our country beautiful, in your opinion, how is patriotism different from love of one’s country? everyone loves their homeland, and patriots do everything necessary to ensure that their homeland flourishes, strengthens and looks worthy, that is, a patriot is distinguished by the fact that his feelings, experiences, thoughts are expressed precisely in specific actions. i would think i i would say this, a patriot is a lover, a creator, but if you look at your childhood, who... or what raised you

to be patriotic? my father had three brothers, three brothers died in the war, the youngest, the germans dragged him out of the house, built him into a village , shot every tenth one, 50 men and one woman were shot, they were not allowed to be buried for several days, and after the war we just talked about how the country suffered, what needs to be done in order to prevent such a misfortune, so we grew up the post-war generation, with a feeling pride in the great victory, with a sense of danger or concern to prevent the situation from happening again, you come from the lonenietsky district, you often visit your homeland, unfortunately, not often.

but my parents are buried there, my brother is buried, there is a house left in the village, at a family council my sister and i decided that the house should be given to my nephew, my nephew lives in this house, he remodeled it in his own way, made it beautiful, unfortunately my friends stayed a little villages, so i want to visit, i want to sit and talk over a cup of tea, remember the past, beautiful village, do you sing songs? we sing, we sing, definitely, but what about without songs, yes, childhood, it has its own certain colors, smells, sensations, when you remember your childhood, what picture appears in front of you, we worked a lot, of course, after that , as you were in the hayfield, let’s say it was a hot day there, you worked in the swamp and you find yourself on a white lake, a pearl. bunetskaya district, of course

, you will get lost in memory, here it is always, here is our beautiful lake, we had a hayfield in dubrava, important rivers are valuable, somehow i remember this oak groves, beautiful oaks, a pine forest in the neighborhood, and much more, beautiful fields, who influenced your choice of profession, why did you decide to connect your life with the army? i had two grandfathers, one grandfather managed, at the age of 13, to go to argentina without a single class , earn a suitcase of dolars and return it. in belarus, a rich man, the second grandfather participated in the revolution of 17, precisely in st. petersburg, these in these events, as i told you, that my father had brothers and three brothers died, there were

there are so many tragedies of the war, these conversations, this way of life and so on, it naturally influenced the choice, i had no military in my family, but to prevent this... the desire to protect, the desire to achieve some kind of self-esteem influenced the choice profession, you were the only ones in the village who decided to become a military man, i have a third brother , who is an admiral in kaliningrad now living, he was the deputy commander of the baltic fleet, there were officers who came from the village, some held various positions, to be honest, somehow we are already with they started communicating with them after i became an officer, and before that , it was my independent decision, everyone was surprised, but this decision matured somewhere in the seventh or eighth grade, and well, in childhood we somehow

tend to romanticize our future profession, and what are your childhood ideas about military service, they were completely defeated, as a child you watch, it shows the beautiful life of an officer, how he lives , has fun there, relaxes, falls in love, and so on and so forth, and this leaves a certain imprint on self-awareness, but when real army life begins , you begin to understand that this is hard, very hard work, responsible work, you are entrusted with the fate of people, you are entrusted with the enormous cost of both equipment and lives. and yes, and people’s lives, so we have to work, work and work, and by the way we worked for 12-14 hours, well, you don’t regret , as i understand it, that you chose this particular profession, no, everyone should approach

the choice of profession is serious, and if you have already chosen it, then there is nothing to regret, you need to achieve what you dreamed of. eight teams from four countries all participants are chosen, our arena is a witness to spectacular battles and unbending fortitude, because this is a chance to express themselves and prove that they are even stronger than they were before, i love extreme sports, i really like it, i have no fears, they in a computer game where everything is real, who will win the main crystal and the title of heroes, the game will show, well, the game has begun, one minute, real emotions and serious

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there is such a common opinion that in order for a young man to succeed, he must serve in the army, but in your opinion, the army is really such a school of life. yes, man, young a person finds himself in an army environment, it is he who finds himself in a team, he no longer solves a problem on his own, but solves this problem as part of a team, and he must be prepared for the army, he must push his interests aside, solve collective problems, and that’s all leaves an imprint on his future life, so... uh, some people say that it’s like wasted, wasted time, wasted

years, but i often had to meet people, even very often, who, after completing army service, were on their way up the career ladder progressed, as a rule, faster than those who did not serve in the army, as some say, if you went, first worked, and then you go there, it means that the time that he was working is wasted time, i believe that when a person tried a piece of bread when he worked in a blue-collar profession or served in the army, he already consciously takes one step at a time, does not make the mistakes that those i spoke about earlier make, that is, in short, a core develops in a person or a core is formed, and this rod allows him to in the future, don’t make mistakes and move more actively along... and along the career ladder, along the path of life. you held the post of deputy minister of defense for a long time, in your

opinion, this is a modern, high-tech army, should it be contract or conscript? this question is asked, well, in different places very often, i was the deputy minister of defense for armaments, imagine how complex our... replacement equipment is, and of course, it is impossible to train specialists in a short period of time, so we are talking about contract army, contract training of military personnel undergoing contract service, warrant officers, officers, that is, these are people who devote their lives to this profession, they are highly qualified specialists, others cannot operate this equipment, but at the same time... we understand perfectly well

that maintaining an army, let’s say 300,000 people in belarus is problematic and not necessary, so we have an army, just like there is an army, people must come to serve, serve in order to create a mobilization reserve in the state, that is, these two parameters must be paired. ivan vasilyevich, you are now heading the dss. the abbreviation, well known since childhood, stands for voluntary society for the promotion of the army, air force and navy. and in soviet times, dss was very popular. how is the modern dssaf in belarus different from its predecessor? actually, there is no big difference. we are probably one of the few states other than the russian federation. who continue the traditions that were in the dasafa of the soviet

union. this is also patriotic education population, this is the development of technical military-applied sports, this is the training of specialists for the national economy and law enforcement agencies, but of course, life leaves its mark, new technology, new outlooks on life. new financial opportunities, modern youth, so we must build according to this, and of course we are modernizing in addition to the demands of the time, yes, of course, continuity and some kind of creative development of the heritage that remains from soviet times, that’s all it is necessary, after all, there is something that could not be preserved, the soviet desaf, i would say that there is nothing like that, well, well, for

example, look, after the liberation of belarus, dostafk was instructed to carry out demining of the territory of our country, dosta managed with this task, now of course it is unnecessary, that is, in short, we have structural divisions that deal with this work, and other such aspects. but, let’s say, esports are now in fashion, tosav should increase this direction, for example, when you come to children's school, where they clearly... are engaged in ship modeling and it is clear that this not only has to be, this is manual work, it must somehow go a long way over time, so there is a need for graphic drawing development, computer graphics, for example, printers, scanners , which must be purchased and the youth must learn, but besides the fact that the youth must learn, it is necessary for

the teachers to learn, so they have to relearn, they have to adapt. buy what is needed today day, so that young people would be interested, and if young people are interested, then, of course, they will not come to us, they will study and be educated and so on, but what can you learn in circles, sections of the dss? you know, we have five children's schools with about 200 primary organizational structures. of course, first of all, young people can learn to master modern weapons well, secondly , they can perform a parachute jump, they can undergo flight practice on an airplane, helicopter, glider, they can engage in aircraft modeling, ship modeling, and so on,

rocket modeling, he can become a first-class athlete, motorcyclist, we have already... lately we have begun to actively develop pintballs, that is, this whole thing, these are the professions that can be mastered in tasaf, but tell me, these courses, are they paid? we have a twofold system, the first of course, basically... the topic of free education in our children’s and youth schools, in our primary schools, well, as you know, the head of state says that we should strive to ensure that sports should be paid, so we are developing this area, then in short, the funds that we earn, we use for free training in our courses, this system

is complex, but it helps dasa... to develop in all areas of sports, i have, that is, in desafa you can get some kind of military specialty, right? of course, we work with all power ministries, first of all, of course, we train for them drivers, radiotelegraph operators, motorists, diesel operators, and so on, in addition, you know that we provide flight practice for pilots of the aviation department, so military academy. now we have been entrusted with flight practice for a civilian academy, and this year for the first time at the menin aero club we are giving practice to civilian pilots. for example, if people want to jump from a parachute, it turns out that this year we have carried out 17,000 parachute jumps, thank god that’s all

these parachute jumps, without casualties, without injuries, that is, people come: study, get a profession, which in the future may be the only one for them for life. ivan vasilyevich, you said that girls too come to dsaf courses, and what professions do they choose? well, let's start with the most serious thing, right now there are female pilots and girls studying at the civilian academy, they taught among the military, they are studying, well... but to put it nicely, i’ll tell you about radio sports, literally the day before yesterday i congratulated our team, who returned from the world championship in radio sports from bulgaria, out of the sixty sets of medals that were at the world championship, 508

gold medals were brought by belarusian athletes, the majority were girls, one of our girls set a new world record. time passes, new technologies appear, new aircraft, including drones. how is dssaf responding to these current trends? right now, the world has literally been flooded with talk about ethereal aircraft , but we have seen... this for the seventh year already, we have been training unmanned aerial vehicle equipment as operators, we are issuing pilot licenses, that is , we have been training operators at the training center for a long time before the conversation about them, i told you

about esports, our aircraft modelers have been making drones for a long time, now they are participating in competitions with their drones, for example, it became obvious to us that electric cars and electric motorcycles are appearing, so we, together with the academy of sciences... have been developing a modern electric motorcycle for several years now and this motorcycle is already being tested tests in the children's motorsports school the next stage is electric karts the next kart stage is electric cars, these are no longer dreams, these are dreams, dreams that we think will come true in the near future, these are realities. ivan vasilievich, i know that just recently you were awarded the order of labor glory, of course, this is not your first award, but what does it mean for you personally? for me, it’s probably important that it’s

not me, but the team that deserved the award, such a high award such a high assessment of the head of state, the number of us in our time has reached... reached 181,000 people, if over the past 11 years, according to the results of the year , there was not a single unprofitable structure in dosafa, i emphasize, not a single unprofitable structure, if at the world and european championships over the past 5 years we have conquered more than a thousand medals, of which more than half a thousand are gold, if we now... each over the last five years, we have trained almost a quarter of a million drivers and in order to prepare their

quality, we managed to purchase 520 cars this year, new ones from the stream, we are doing everything possible in order to build, develop the educational and material base, look, they built a complex in sticky, flocks... built, they built the slutsk stadium, luninets pinsk was modernized, this year we opened the brest air club, we built it from scratch, recently we opened 58 new classes, well, we talked about work, about service , let's talk a little about family, in the life of any person, especially a great leader, a military man, family support plays a big role, well, officer's wives are generally some kind of... that is a special caste. how did you meet your wife? we were classmates and this year we celebrated 50 years of our

life together. that’s why we’ve been together for probably 60 years. well, military service, it ’s so nomadic, you never left each other, did it follow you? yes, at what points are you have you visited? we served in the far east, on the shores of the pacific ocean, we served in transbaikalia, in ukraine, studied in moscow twice, and most recently in belarus, since 1992 in belarus, so all this time we were together, me, my wife, my family , yes, indeed, officer, such a profession is, say, dependent, there is an order to teach, for what are you most grateful to it? well , first of all, that she withstood all the tests

of service, secondly, that she gave me two daughters, and thirdly, that she told me that that’s enough, i’m tired, i... i ca n’t, i and so on, i’ve moved on from the army, from beginning to end, what sacrifices did it make for your career to take place, well, when i was studying at the tank academy in the engineering department, studied at tibryazhevka, that is , silhuz academy at the faculty of economics, she was offered to stay in graduate school, she refused to go to work. agriculture and after that they left to serve in the far east of goradas. family, your wife in the family?

of course, the wife is mostly forgotten, the wife is responsible for the family, because, especially when i worked in the army, the working day was at least 12 hours, usually the weekends were also in service, so the wife was basically involved in all the housekeeping, the house, raising the children , she is mostly a general, and you obey as best you can, especially since she we now have an education, and as a learned economist, so she clearly commands how to work in the country, we must obey, dig, and your children, they also chose a military profession, no, i have two daughters, the eldest daughter graduated from medical institute and working as a director

medicine. center, junior economist, she graduated from drug addiction and works as the financial director of a large company , i have grandchildren, today is my holiday, the eldest grandson is an engineer, graduated from the radio engineering university, went to work at the enterprise, of course, the youngest grandson, studies at the university of economics, granddaughter, this is the youngest daughter, a schoolgirl, ivan vasilyevich, well, it’s clear that you are a person. and yet, how do you like to spend your free time? i like to go hunting, i like to keep bees, i like to read, i like to work, shear, saw, what with your own hands, something more on wood, ivan vasilyevich, our program is called the meaning of life, for you what is the meaning of life,

probably, people should benefit the state and, of course, family and friends, be in demand among friends and family. this was the meaning of ivan dyrman's life. lack of discipline is failure, failure is war, it all starts with the economy, the same goes for international politics , for some it may seem strange that while the whole world is in the fires of military conflicts, the president is talking not about war, but about economics, but he is doing this precisely in order to stop the war, with regards to exports, which lukashenko personally has done in recent years, that is, after the sanctions,

he agreed with putin that he would organize part of the products critically needed by russia in belarus, moreover , russia will finance this, and the goods produced will be guaranteed to be bought at a high price. alexander grigorievich calls for learning from the mistakes of others, and not making mistakes on your own, and the future of countries in the world depends on how well partners hear him. our unions, and therefore the future of belarus. propaganda project, watch on tv channel belarus 24. its history, its nature, its culture, its faith, its people, and its generosity, you will feel it once and never forget it again , everything is real here.

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