my colleagues will have more information at 15:00, i ’ll say goodbye to you at this point, all the best. hello, sas's program is on air, i have the right to announce. i am the presenter nadezhda sas, i welcome you. let me remind you that this is a program for those who want to better understand what is happening and understand how these processes, events, people will affect the life of the country and each of us. a multipolar world, a new and unsafe reality. is the state ready for it? we'll talk about this right after the digest of key events in world politics this week. on october 26-27, minsk hosted international conference. level of eurasian

security, reality and prospects in a transforming world. the event was attended by about 120 representatives of thirty eurasian states, including the minister of foreign affairs of the republic of belarus sergei oleinik, the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation sergei lavrov, the minister of foreign affairs of hungary petr szijjártó, the csto secretary general ima tasmagambetov, the head of a number of socio-political organizations and associations countries of the eurasian economic. union, representatives academic and expert communities of the eu, cis and sco states discussed a number of important topics to determine the prospects for eurasian security in the context of the crisis of changing world economic structures, aggravated contradictions between key players and a sharp decrease in the level of communication between them, issues of global and regional geopolitical prerequisites for eurasian security, economic integration and interfaces in favor of a unified eurasian security architecture were considered during

special thematic sessions. the president belarus alexander lukashenko held a meeting with the minister of foreign affairs of foreign trade of hungary peter szijjártó. during the meeting , the belarusian leader noted that the european union , along with russia, the usa, china and to some extent india, are strong pillars of the existence of the planet. alexander lukashenko emphasized that belarus, being a european state where the geographical center of europe is located, stands out. for the european union to exist. in addition, the belarusian leader conveyed his best wishes to hungarian prime minister viktor orban. don’t forget to convey your best wishes to mr. orban , it’s difficult for us to come there, almost impossible now, so he can fly in at any time, we’ll talk about serious issues, i think it will be useful. in belarus they are ready for any scenarios in response to actions. westerners during the upcoming

elections. president of belarus alexander lukashenko announced this at a meeting with russian foreign minister sergei lavrov. the belarusian leader confirmed that the republic of belarus is a reliable ally there can be no game for the russian federation in this matter. both russia and belarus are doing a lot today in order to keep not only europe, but also the world from sliding towards the most dangerous line. must know that we will continue to adhere to this line, we are reliable allies of the russian federation, you can also be sure of this, there can be no game here, since we understand that a lot is at stake, in principle, we are surviving our states our peoples. the head of the russian ministry of foreign affairs thanked for the invitation to visit belarus for its initiative to hold a conference on the topic of eurasian security, in a timely manner.

sergei lavrov explained the organization of such a forum to the difficult situation on the european continent, large and rich in natural resources, but under the dictation of the americans, who decided to split into two camps, just as it was during the cold war era. after much delay, the president of slovakia agreed to the formation of a new government led by robert fitz, known for his sympathies for russia and negative attitude towards rates arms to ukraine, fica, together with his party death, won the parliamentary elections on september 30, but under pressure from globalist circles in washington and brussels, the head of state, liberal zuzana caputova , delayed until the last minute in agreeing to create a new cabinet. at the end of the past week , fica took part in a meeting of eu heads of state and government in brussels, where he presented slovakia’s new course on all key topics, from the migration crisis to the conflict. the newly elected prime minister

said that slovakia will not provide military assistance to ukraine. it’s better for them to negotiate peace for 10 years than to kill each other for 10 years without any conclusions. the local publication actuality quotes him as saying. the right-wing conservative swiss people's party won the swiss parliamentary elections. this political force, often classified as eurosceptics, received almost 29% of the votes. she strengthened her previous result and was significantly ahead of her closest competitor, the social democratic party. considering that conservatives criticized the country's accession to sanctions against russia, considering this a violation of the principle of neutrality, the election results demonstrated that the desire to stay away from foreign conflicts is shared by many swiss. in addition, it turned out that the problem of migration worries the population much more than the environmental agenda. the green party received a record low result, losing

11 seats. in general, the elections in switzerland confirmed pan-european trends. the growing popularity of conservative forces opposing the influx of migrants and dismantling. traditional values ​​and additional economic costs generated by adherents of the green transition. the left-liberal utopia named after greta thunberg and george soros is causing increasing resistance among the broad masses. li shangfu is no longer china's defense minister, central television reported, and the sixty-five-year-old general who held the position since march also lost his post as state councilor. the reasons for the official's dismissal were not given. it is also unknown who will now head the military department. lee last appeared in public on august 29, having previously visited russia and belarus. the resignation of the secretary of defense is viewed through the prism of us-china relations. li shan-fum was under us sanctions in connection with

beijing's purchase of combat aircraft from russia. his resignation was confirmed a few days before the opening of the xiangshine defense and security forum, to which a delegation from the pentagon was invited. first , i would like to remind you that fyodor tyudchev was not only a talented poet, but a successful diplomat, a rare example of a combination of creative nature and bureaucratic streak, and it is all the more appropriate quote in my program these lines of the poem by tyuchev, tsitsiron. blessed is the one who sated this world, in its fatal moments , he was called by all the good ones, as an interlocutor, he is a spectator of their high spectacles, he was admitted into their council from the dead, like a celestial being, he drank from the cup of their immortality. and i think it’s unlikely that anyone will dare to argue that we are gifted with precisely this happiness, to live in an era of grandiose changes, they will one way or another affect everyone, and even in the quietest corners

of the planet, about when and how the transition from the previous system of international relations to a new one, more fair, but also less predictable, will be discussed in today’s program, i’m glad to welcome you. sil hello, nikolai moratovich mizhevich, belarus, candidate of military sciences. doctor of economics, director of the center for belarusian studies, institute of europe , russian academy of sciences. hello. i'm glad to see oleg voloshin, ukrainian politician, candidate of political sciences. olek, thank you for being with us, i welcome you. hello. will the world continue to shake for a long time on such a scale as andrei petrovich is now? i think the world will shake, most likely endlessly in these conditions, until issues related specifically, probably, to multipolarity or polycentricity, here we also need to define a little about this, from this terminology, what

it is, until some real centers of power are actually identified that will be able to negotiate, i think that it is unlikely that anyone will be satisfied with what is happening today, but to say that the world that emerged after the second world war was bad is probably wrong, since no one has come up with anything better than the united nations organization and the security council, can , in all likelihood, these centers of power that should form, form some kind of local human civilizations, and in this, it is the united nations organizations, it is in the security council that must form this... new council , which is already being talked about today , well, almost everyone, in my opinion, is still the future, it will be based on the principles and approaches that were formed after the second world war. oleg, what do you think? well i think that

for at least another five years, maybe more, until the end of the decade, probably, but such instability will continue, and this instability does not consist in the fact that some individual conflicts are breaking out. because, let's not forget that the arab-israeli conflict there, in a good way , began in the form of a clash between jews and arabs even before the second world war, and progressed. became very active, after the second the entire bipolar system existed, then everything throughout the entire period of us dominance, now we see it again another escalation, it’s not about specific conflicts, yes, in fact, uh, there were enough problems even during the bipolar world, the fact is that the system itself, in which we can actually recruit several players, there were two or one, as in the united states, the dominant ones , or there will be a lot of people who could gather there, according to some certain rules and principles about something... now there is no such system, the united states itself, as the situation in the middle east also shows, is already decisively being

a provider of security and no stability maybe they are not incapable of resolving conflicts, but a new configuration in which a group of states could agree on something has not yet been fully formed, so the shaking will be quite long in this sense, even in those situations where it would be possible , as for example, with ukraine, and conflict can be avoided in principle, nikolai moratovich. here they are, the roaring twenties, the menacing twenties, that is, we are coming to understand that this is just the beginning, although sometimes it already seems like armageddon, here it is unfolding before our eyes, i think that it is still is just unfolding, clearly the point of maximizing the conflict has not been passed, we have entered such a stage, indeed , the security council, in general the entire un system, it cannot be an ideal invention for a millennium, but at its stage it played

a vital stabilizing role. let's imagine a person who graduated from school in minsk in 503, 1963, 73, 1983, he is already retiring, yes, he lives in a stable world, where if there are any conflicts, something there was a fire somewhere, there was something here somewhere arabs and jews there, like hungary, something in the far east, something in the middle east , but overall there is stability, peace, this period, of course, has been exhausted, yes, and if this was not obvious in 1983, now it is absolutely obvious how long this can continue, well, if we switch to the last century, then the processes that became obvious in the year twenty, 923, that germany was not reconciled. that the contradictions in europe are not resolved, that britain is a departing power and the usa is an incoming one, that i am japan

ready to play a big empire in the far east, in east asia in general and in southeast asia, and even australia is somehow already seen as their own, all these things gave rise to instability, which, by and large, ended somewhere around 45-48. this means 20-25 years, which means that we have clearly not passed this period yet, well, i want to remind our dear viewers, the historical systems of international relations, what they are, the details in our certificate, this is important. there are five systems of international relations in the world. first of these, westphalian originated between the 18th and 16th centuries. its supporters shared the ideas of national cooperation and the principle of state sovereignty. the second system , the vienna system, appeared between the end of the napoleonic wars and the first world war. its essence was the balance of power of large european

states. versailles-washington - the third system of international relations arose between the two world wars. it was based on the idea of ​​collective security with the participation of the league of nations. the fourth - the yalta-podzdam system was formed shortly before the collapse of the ussr. its main provisions consolidated the bipolarity of the world as a confrontation between capitalist and socialist countries, the un was considered the guarantor of security, and the fifth modern system of international relations appeared after the signing of the warsaw pact; it combines two points of view: according to the first, the global dominance of the united states is recognized, according to the second, multipolarity of the world. the concept of poles of military-political influence remained key for describing international system, first equilibrium.

two superpoles, then an attempt to dominate one hyperpole as a reaction to the latest request for a multipolar world as the antithesis of hegemony, andrei petrovich, you wanted us to decide on the correct definition of what kind of world is coming, you know, if we look at what poles are in general, if from the point of view, for example, spherical trigonometry, then there should be two poles, if from the point of view of geography, the same two poles, at least there should be if we let's look at the level of world politics, well, yes, as we have it was formed after the yalta-podzdam agreements, conferences, bipolar, that is, a bipolar world. today we should talk about multipolarity or polycentricity, well, we probably need to, but we must clearly understand that the world today has truly changed, the united states is already obvious, it cannot fully perform the functions of a policeman, the world’s gendarme, you remember when donald trump said we will no longer exercise control over all states,

we will no longer perform police functions, we will participate and compete with all states, well... the question is how the united states can compete, we know this, in what form the united states competes and how it happens, so today, probably, it’s still correct to talk about the polycentricity of this world, that is, there are states, key centers that unite around themselves, local human ones, local, well, if i may say so, local human civilizations, that is, there is our common global civilization, and there is a local one, and we too ... let’s see, where there are these key states, for example, western civilization or western european civilization or americana and it is clear that they are american-centric, there is that state , which controls activities within its civilization, if we look, for example, at the east slavic or russian civilization, it was recently adopted, including in the russian federation,

a very interesting document called the concept of external security, which says that now the russian federation... must be considered, and this is correct , precisely as a state of civilization, i think we will return to this definition later, also in this very region russia exercises control and, accordingly, the diversity of all these forms, political, economic, cultural and so on. further, the same is the chinese, japanese civilization, indian civilization, islamic, latin american, and so on, but you look, for example, the same islamic civilization, which state performs... a polycentric function, yes a centric function, it does not exist, as a result of this, it is obvious that within this, this civilizational formation , what is happening today is happening, it is endless, and conflicts are in a permanent state, many say what can i say, it was a complete surprise when hamas started another intifada

against israel, well, yes, maybe at a tactical level, when this, yes, it was a surprise, in my opinion everyone knew everything clearly imagined that sooner or later it would still burn, the gas sector, hamas, uh, and so on, similar to this, that is, syria, and hezbollah, all of this, it is in a permanent state, in principle none of these exist, the same thing , this also applies to african, african civilization, the same thing, look, there is no key state , but today it is with the formation of these key states, centers of power, and it is possible to form on its basis a council... of security, where these issues are elementary ones will be solved precisely within the framework these states that will form, then it will be on the basis of agreements that something can be solved, but to say that there should be two poles will not solve any problems, and it was rightly said that problems always arose one at a time simply let's pay attention, the geopolitical configuration of the world, there is a network, unipolarity,

bipolarity, multipolarity, that's how complex it is. oleg, please, i want to hear your comment, indeed, no matter how cynical it may sound, at the moment, there is an opinion that the great powers are interested in local conflicts, local outbreaks, because it is better to fight on another territory, foreign territory, in order to prevent a direct clash, well, the fact is that, uh, in itself a power confrontation... in international relations, this is an essential characteristic, just as competition between people and conflicts between people is an essential characteristic of human society, it is only idealists who believe that each according to his abilities, to each according to needs and we can all be there, all people are brothers and so on, but in fact the realists and their history confirms their rightness, they propose

to simply proceed from the fact that the state, what the state is, are large associations of people, if we... the usual in our lives we constantly compete with whom we periodically enter into confrontation with and so on, this despite the fact that there is clear state control, and in every society, just imagine, some kind of conflicts, disputes constantly arise there , starting from disputes on the roads , ending competition there in offices, enterprises and so on, above people, then what can we expect from large associations of states, where the system of international law and any international system, by definition, has never... been as tough as a system of rules, such as, for example, state in relation to its citizens, never in the world has there existed such a system, such a superstate or suprastate, which would be comparable in the degree of influence and authority for all humanity there, for example, with the authority there of a conditionally state there germany for the citizens of germany is the state of belarus for the citizens of belarus, so in principle, we can simply strive to

form a world where confrontation will never turn nuclear, which will mean universal destruction, and any conflicts will , to one degree or another, be resolved relatively quickly, they will always inevitably arise, such is human nature, such ... people, unfortunately, we are all imperfect, we are all sinners, we are all inclined to build our success at the expense to one degree or another subjugation of others, we need to build it up while there is no external threat, an external threat to all humanity, in the end we live in a reality where the rules governing the world fizzle out, stop working, it ’s really difficult to argue with this, and the question is what follows from this, what efforts should be made to breathe new life into old rules. create other rules or rely on the self-regulation of certain processes? if we rely on self-regulation, then we risk losing

humanity as a whole, and therefore, despite all despite all the imperfections of the rules that were, uh, those post-war agreements, after the second world war, they gave us a lot of peace, well, let’s consider it, from the fortieth to the present day, a lot. many two generations grew up in a peaceful, peaceful sky, look what a thing, this is good and bad, the american political system no longer has people who not only do not remember the second world war, but there are almost no vietnamese, they cannot imagine what that the us can lose, but it turns out that they can, and events in the middle east show that maybe, if regarding ukraine, there may still be some, well, let’s say, disputes, but it is obvious that the united states has already lost in the near middle east, because biden’s visit, it

happened at the wrong time, that there is no bigger, bigger mistake in it is impossible to imagine an american political agenda in the middle east, and one more thing, the dispute between the slavs among themselves, many from... the question is, it somehow involves everyone, firstly, because well, there are a lot of muslims, much fewer jews, but they are very, very influential, especially in the financial sector, again in the united states of america, the memory of the holocaust was also updated anew within the framework of this. and this, it would seem, should assume that humanity will find some way, but it did not find an effective path in 488, as it turned out, not in

the next war of 56, not in the war of sixty-eight, not in the war of this year, not in the lebanese conflict in 1982, now this solution is also not yet visible, which means that some kind of new system is really needed, but what an incomprehensible one, then we will assume that we and the chinese are ready for recognition systems of multipolarity, but the main player , the united states of america, is not ready, absolutely not ready. biden just recently announced that we can do it in ukraine at the same time, let’s hear a direct speech, we have it. the war in israel and the war in ukraine, isn’t this more than the united states can bear at one time, but we are the united states, for god’s sake, we are. the strongest country in history, in the history of the whole world, we can participate in both conflicts and supports our defense capabilities, here

you go, such a statement, and indeed the expectations of the united states of america and their new opportunities do not correspond to reality, because the world has really changed, and it is extremely difficult to control or contribute to a settlement, andrei petrovich. you know, i think biden is right in this situation, why? the united states is not in any danger under current conditions. they resolved the issues that they needed in virtually all regions, what was laid down in ancient rome, continued, as they say, by nikol makevele and today by the same biden, dividing baiting and ruling, it works flawlessly, absolutely, they have created such conditions in the globe where the united states begins to distribute exactly this... this is the wealth, they determine who to impose sanctions on, from whom to lift sanctions, at what price to buy certain reserves , there will be uranium here in russia, or how to influence the prices to change

... in principle, today anglo-suctions, they feel very, very comfortable, why? and there are no other entities that can compete with them. china, yes but china today, in essence, is also such a lone state, yes, today we are beginning to form the sco, brics, and so on , and this is what the americans are beginning to be very, very careful about, why? while this is still such an organization, it’s like... all this is in our world, it must be defended, defended, that is, the military component in any formation, it will still come, and when such an formation as brix is ​​formed, as a military -political bloc, in this situation the united states will really understand that here lies ahead this very multipolar world or multicentric world, for today,

i once again. they are not threatened by anything, they create instability in the world where necessary, they redistribute these resources, they play first fiddle everywhere, it’s all comfortable, it ’s all convenient, having involved russia in these conflicts, actually isolating it and from the western world, thus creating the conditions and the prerequisites for the isolation of china, and look around quada, aucus, the same oceans, everything has been created, and the most important thing is that china today is in such conditions, well, literally two or three states. which are around it, with which they do not have any disputes, this is the same pakistan, conditionally nepal, probably mongolia and russia, that’s all, and i think that the united states will do everything to ensure that these organizations, such as brix, they have never been independent and ready to resist in this global world, let's pay attention to the world map, where we tried to highlight those states that are members of the north atlantic

alliance and... this is again the key five and those states that want to join it, here is oleg, but please tell me, what do you think, are those players who today have unresolved conflicts, controversial situations, for example, the northern and south korea, taiwan and the people's republic of china understand that the only player interested in any conflict breaking out is the united states of america. well , by the way, i can’t agree with you here, well , let’s put it this way, well, we want to say that the united states of america is interested in the fact that the middle east is now on fire, so blinke rushed there like a spar, now biden has arrived, but no, of course, on the contrary, you will understand what a unipolar world is, what the dominance of the united states is, that is, what today the united states is the most powerful country in the world, this is not because they incite conflicts everywhere, because they managed to occupy such a position

as a result of two suicidal ones. european civilization, world wars first second, and the results of its own economic development, based on the results of the successful functioning of their own political model, based on the fact that they implemented the highest percentage of innovations - in various fields, including the military, that is, let's be objective, the united states for 100 years was the most effective state in the world , by all indicators, so it’s not because they are there , you know, they’re conditional, there’s this mythical rockfiller and the rodchers who are behind the scenes... well, this location overseas, you know , it happened historically, what they have, but if we we are talking about the fact that the hegemon is no longer a hegemon, the world is multipolar, how can multipolarity exist if the key decision-making states cannot currently sit down at the negotiating table and agree among themselves and

highlight those rules and... why? are we actually saying that a hegemon is not a hegemon? for one simple reason, here we are saying , russia cannot fully itself, say, challenge the united states or china there, but in fact they threw down this challenge, what is a bipolar world, it was a system, let's remember, this was just recently, when no one could raise their voice at all, when yeltsin, at the head of russia, russia, was essentially a man who obeyed the americans in everything. when the chinese were in power, they had a different political system, but due not to the fact that they did not feel strong enough and were not powerful enough economically, they also essentially followed the same course that the americans were charting, this was one polarity , the american voice in all matters was decisive, determining everywhere always, including in the internal politics of almost every country, is this the case now, no, look, roughly speaking, the same conflict as russia would have now over the expansion of nato.

it didn’t start when the countries of eastern europe joined nato, it didn’t start when the baltics joined nato, but now the americans cannot force any country outside the political west to even impose sanctions against russia. where is this subpolar world? what kind of hegemony is this? yes, there is no hegemony, they are in the middle east, where yesterday they were in charge and the only policemen, today they are forced to reckon not only with the interests of russia and china, but even with iran, which just yesterday it was believed that you could just bomb everything, but today they are already afraid to bomb iran, today they already understand that there is already a big war, remember the iraqi company, even the europeans were against the invasion of iraq in 2003, the americans didn’t care, they could bend everyone even without european allies. today they are running after these allies , persuading them to be at the same time with them, there is no need america is strong not because it has become strong today, it was strong before because they were more efficient, they were more successful, they were able to create a more competitive economy, a better economic system, in the end

the computer that was invented in the ussr was able to introduce mass and americans, so let’s better ask our older generation how this happened, and now the new generation, including leaders like lukashenko, like putin, how... they correct the mistakes of those who allowed the hegemony of the united states back in middle of the 20th century. thank you, oleg, it’s difficult even to argue with you, and it was said correctly, so i say that alliances are being formed , because no one today is able to resist the united states alone, well, for example, i can’t understand why the united states is not satisfied with the conflict today in the middle east, and what is absolutely stopping him from this conflict? it was necessary to solve the gas sector, it was necessary to solve it, otherwise it would be endless, as everything turned out well in nagorno -karabakh, but the territorial dispute was resolved in a short time, but why today, for example, we won’t say that, well, let’s go into conspiracy theories, let it be conspiracy theories, let’s fight why this wasn’t provoked

in order to once and for all, for example, resolve the problem with the gas sector, and by chance there suddenly turned out to be two aircraft carriers, by chance they suddenly arrive biden, with whom no one meets with the bombing of the hospital, because it is their own fault, they refused to meet with the one who came to reconcile them, we continue like this, and at the same time a ground or ground operation is being prepared, troops are being prepared, brought into combat order, it buys time for combat coordination, other elements, believe me, the israeli army is not an army that will smear snot, it will establish the order there that they need, and the minister of defense, this dutchman, he said, many are already talking about that zionism is equal to nazism, yes, these are not people, this is an animal, you understand, this is... to those who are around, you understand, but what lies ahead is clear that israel is preparing for very serious actions and consequences, this without a doubt, look as soon as

it started, they immediately, well, it’s clear, there when with hezbollah they have a certain area of ​​​​the terrain, which they shoot at all the time, that they are the latter, in order to justify their confrontation, but they raised air force again, they hit targets in syria, they showed again -as if at the level of... deterrence, that they are ready to wage a war on not one, but two fronts, and the west has successfully supported this, everyone understands, and iran, with only distant echoes, begins to say: “we are categorically against, we express some concern" and so on and so forth, but in reality today the force is on the side of the west and, most importantly, the initiative is on the side of the west and it needs to be reversed, in any situation it is necessary actively, i am not ready to discuss the issue of the arab-israeli conflict, since our topic of multipolarity

he still has a relative relationship , i just wanted to say that the americans have not been able to do a lot for a long time, attempts to quarrel between india and china have led to the fact that they have a territorial dispute, and indian, chinese soldiers with wooden sticks, from time to time they start fights with each other on these wooden sticks, in addition, they throw stones, the question arises, what do they have, at least they don’t have flintlock guns, they don’t have everything, including nuclear weapons, but some the outlet of emotions in a four-tier theater, they achieve this in this way, this is what the americans have achieved, india has its own party, china has its own, but neither one nor the other is not the american line, it’s just that china has it

quite openly, anti-american, but india is just playing for itself, but is not ready take a pro-american position, well , going back to the very distant past, ancient rome, a sophisticated civilization, already barbarians, ancient germanic tribes, were knocking on the gate at the moment when the podium. in rome they said that rome in general is the center of the world, that rome cannot have enemies, that rome is first forever, that after rome there will be nothing, and during one of these speeches, everything ended, instead of that rome, italy, for more than a thousand years there was no such thing, not to mention the truly great roman empire. and one day it might

happen to any empire, including the american one, because in a multipolar environment you are not able to call even each of the centers, you can call moscow, you can call beijing, but who will you call in the middle east? if you called tigiran, it means they will howl in ankara, and if you called ankara, it means they will be unhappy in tigiran. you will solve problems with argentina in latin america, which means you will most likely quarrel with brazil if you play on the side brazil, you will have problems with chile , at some stage, it is impossible to name a year here, americans simply do not have enough fingers to cover the keyboard, because each key already wants to live its own life.

stock proto-state formation is declared, but we don’t want to see the president of the united states, whenever such a thing could be heard, we don’t want to see, yes, you have to crawl on your knees to the ladder, and you don’t want to see him, it means something is wrong in your kingdom, if they don’t want to see you, i remind you that the program is on air: sas is authorized to declare the multipolar world that it is, he not only expressed his opinion about this in a recent interview with the president of the russian federation, vladimir putin. let's hear direct speech. the multipolar world is being created on its own in fact. and it happens in connection with the growth of the potential of many countries, including, and not least, with the growth of potential. the people's republic of china, india is growing, in

asia, indonesia is growing, many other states, in latin america, brazil, russia is getting on its feet, getting stronger, i repeat again, this is a manifestation of an objective process the formation of a multipolar world, no one wants to be on the sidelines of some sovereign, everyone wants equal relations. and they see, if they join brix, that within the framework of expansion, within the framework of strengthening this format, such relations between countries, we can achieve this goal faster by combining efforts. based on joint efforts. indeed , today, which states cause delight are those that have not yet lost. sovereignty, here is the russian federation today, and the republic

belarus, compared to what is happening in europe today, the european union , it could have been one of the key players, if it had not sold, would not have completely given up its sovereignty, especially in recent years, you know, everything is happening against the backdrop of events that are going on in ukraine today, that is, the confrontation with russia, the confrontation with the west, it has clearly defined who is for... these are the first conditional two poles in everything, where we are hostile, as in the song, these are precisely the problems connected with europe, it is everything -still lays in this europe for the future in any case, the confrontation with the east, that is, this west -east axis, it has not yet, as they say, outlived its usefulness, until the global north and global south went there, it has not yet outlived its usefulness, and look here, skillfully and competently,

the west is starting again, there is a war with ukraine, it is clear, here a priori everyone has talked about it and is talking and will talk about it, anyway, the war will be lost by ukraine, as a sovereign state, there is no doubt, when it freezes and unfreezes there, it will go decades but still ukraine, it will belong to this russian world, without any doubt, because it belongs to this russian world, no matter how much one would not like to be the one who presents a completely different ideology there today. but look how the west begins to act in these conditions, it begins to divide the already existing european union, the existing nato bloc, into more blocs that are able to resist russia without the entry of these global forces, such as britain, for example, the united states and even that same france. today, for example, we see that a trimorium is being formed led by poland, while there is some kind of supposedly economic union there, but in the end we understand that any economic union sooner or later

still becomes a military-political one. further, britain, and this part , it is entirely controlled by the united states and that where this part of the trim is located, the presence of military bases, american, the presence of relevant advisers, operational groups of various headquarters and so on, here is the second element - this what britain controls is such a new union, or, well, you can say, an formation like jf, these are forces that are called joint, expeditionary forces , which are led in great britain, and it also includes about ten countries, this includes scandinavia, this includes the entire baltic region, denmark, the netherlands and even iceland was dragged there, you see, these are the entities that at one time or another can, as a military force, influence this russian federation, yes, that is, as the main rival, let’s just try to even predict, that is, there are various

approaches, that is, what can happen in a given situation, that is, there is a forecast that allows us to look at the goals that we have set... and how they will achieve this, we take absolutely all concepts, military strategies, doctrines, which were adopted in the west, it is basically clear, this is the us national security strategy, which influenced the same nato strategy and so on, until 2030 they have a clearly defined enemy number one, who must be dealt with, this is the russian federation, it also says for the first time and about the republic of belarus for the long term, china has been identified there, so by 2030 it is necessary to deal with such an enemy as the russian federation. this is stated in almost all of their documents, all legal acts. therefore, in this period of time, what is now being carried out in ukraine, something that can then be built up with the help of trimoria and with the help of jeff and anything else, but will continue endlessly, at the end of even the same fifth column, which for some reason- then in general

it’s no longer visible in russia, it’s all gone, at the beginning to help israel, now it is moving to another place, to help the next state, so not ... predictively, they will try these , of course, it is necessary to say that the states are either completely neutralized, or in the worst case, maybe destroyed in some way, fragmented , and no one hides its consequences about this, if we , on the contrary, go from what to extrapolate to the future, then we also see what poland was like in retrospect, what it is in retrospect britain is those colonial ones. europe as the losing part, but the globalist-liberal ideas that were quite actively imposed, they led

to the fact that parties are becoming quite popular in the current situation, the european union is gradually waking up in a number. not so long ago , an open discussion took place in the european parliament on the path to achieving peace in ukraine and the role of the eu. it was attended by member of the european parliament from germany, maximal cra, from france, representing belgium, marcel de grave. let's hear a snippet of this discussions and analysis, please. this is a fundamental choice between the forces of the world and the powers. and i hope that now we can bring a quick conclusion to the situation in ukraine and end this whole path to hell, because otherwise, in the coming decades, we will see a lot of blood, poverty, and we generally cannot be sure that europe

will exist until the middle of the century , if we do not stop these idiots and warmongers, in whose hands the power is now. and well, like my colleague, i think that the most important thing is peace, first of all, it is peace for those unfortunate people who are dying now, let's not forget about them, again i repeat, in this parliament it is very easy for us to just vote, but i remember what happened in france, during the civil war in spain before the second world war, i remember that many politicians simply participated in the battles on both sides, and now politicians simply go to television studios. and they promote the war, and here everything is the same, there is one, do you know one, at least a politician, who votes for the war and... who would like to promote the situation, there are no such people, we have some very young man, perhaps, and

we want to restore this tragicomedy for russia, for ukraine, we want to find a way to achieve prosperity for everyone, and the first step is peace, we want to build a new architecture with russia, with ukraine, because for ukraine there are necessary guarantees of existence, a necessary guarantee of preserving peace, but for russia and for europe they are also necessary. and we need to stop so that we are not swallowed up by the politics of mr. zelsky, it scares me how everyone in france is waiting for him speeches like the speech of the pope, okay, you want money, we will give you money, please stop this religious veneration, forgive me, if mr. zelsky were a politician in our country, he would already be in prison, everyone forgets what we have it’s quite happening, sorry, i can’t tell you this, it’s prohibited, i hope you’ll cut it out later during editing. i can’t even believe that it is happening today within the walls of the european parliament, the voices

of adequate european politicians are heard today, there are not many of them, but they exist, this is happening, yes, i recognize these premises, it is happening in strasbourg, it is happening, but it does not really affect the current politics of france and the european union, there are such people, there are many more of them. than it may seem to mr. zelensky and his supporters, but their voices - well, are muffled, yes, it’s like shouting out of a refrigerator, it’s almost impossible, for now, but - the further the situation in the ukrainian direction develops, the more such people there will be, and i wanted to answer your question about countries that are quite - i would say, worthy realize themselves in a multipolar world.

when the minister of foreign affairs of lithuania says that belarus is in isolation, i have a feeling that he is delusional, because, well , it’s not such a big deal to go to the website of the ministry of foreign affairs of the republic of belarus and see the scale of contacts with practically with all... the poles that were on your map in the studio, with almost all of them. well, of course, you can close your eyes, climb into the refrigerator and talk about lukashenko coming to see putin, lukashenko comes to china, and that’s all there is to it, well, by the way, even if that’s the case, then this is already a lot, but we see the widest circle, the work of the ministry of foreign affairs, latin america, please, asian countries, please. there were very significant contacts in the middle east, latin america is largely a new region

for the republic, we are working, which means it turns out that it is not multi-vectorism, but isolation on one boss, this is just a lithuanian story, not at all belarusian, this is an attempt to blame a neighbor in what you don't do for obvious reasons, impossibility, yes, you don’t, it is very typical , so not only for russia and china, a multipolar world is a reality, if the state is small, well, at least not as big as russia or china, it can quite to follow the path of multipolarity, by the way, the example here is not only the republic of belarus, please, even being in nato you can voice quite sound and sober... the leader, yes, he cannot jump out of the car in which

his predecessors put hungary, but he extreme at least in this cart he is trying to force his neighbors, so to speak, to pay attention to the fact that we are going in the wrong direction, in our times there is already a lot, i hope, and the situation with the elections will further strengthen this you know front of adequate people, oleg, do you agree with what we heard, because the words that we heard from maximilian kra, from tiri marijani, they are indeed completely opposite to the fact that there are those statements that are present in the european media and the understanding that the conflict in ukraine is necessary to complete, the understanding that peace... will distance all participants in this conflict from a fairly happy, but successful existence in the next 100 years, and

enough people like that, you know how... even to say with irony, even with a little mockery, words of tiri marijani, how the french react to zelensky, but still understand everything perfectly, and this is hysteria, and this constant begging, that is, even europe actually understands what place it occupies in the sun and who, what is worth in this world ? well , you know, in fact, because actually all this tragic story for the ukrainian people, which began earlier, culminated in the last year and a half, it essentially became the last nail, as if in the coffin of total domination, another thing is that the new system has not yet been built, this time, indeed, the most important thing is that the united states and the atlanticists, their fans there in europe, have not yet recognized that this world has changed, that is, what the fight is now going on for, for the united states, because this is

a very important point. which are often are issued in these discussions of multipolarity, we are not talking about defeating the united states, yes, that is, there, achieving their collapse there, collapses, i don’t know, there is something else there, or let’s say, even the european union, correct in this sense alexander lukashenko said that despite the fact that it can hardly be said that minsk now has good relations with brussels, he, as the leader of belarus, is definitely not interested in the failure of the european union and its collapse there , and so on, we are talking about to create a system where, on issues such as there the ukrainian question or the palestinian question, or the question of north korea or any other, or issues common to all humanity, global warming there, and so on, how the european concert worked in the 19th century, here’s just an example, prepared a caricature of the european concert, please see on the screen, the system is similar to the one they want to build at the moment, yes, this is what it looks like,

we’ll show it clearly. yes, continue, oleg, please , yes, well, you see, this again, fights happened, but what gave, this, this the european concert is a product of the vienna system of international relations, from 1815 to 1904, and at that time, for the first time in the history of mankind, europe did not know a single major war, by the way, to be honest, the number of conflicts was probably even less than , for example, now yes, that is, in this sense, that as the european concert worked, some kind of situation arises, the greeks rebelled against the ottoman empire, they want to secede, achieve their independence, 1800, 21 years old, or the same the story with the serbs, as it happens, all the states recognized as great powers, great britain, france, prussia , austria, the austrian empire, then

austria-hungary, naturally russia, gather, discuss how we will get out of this conflict. even if any country from these great powers does not have a direct interest in a particular history, it is always invited, for example, in 1860, if i am not mistaken, there was a large conference in berlin on africa, yes, where the colonies in africa were divided, sphero influence in africa, again i’m not saying that it was good, but it was an era when we europeans ruled the whole world, and we , due to our conflicts, then lost this control of the world, and so everyone gathers in berlin, including russia, which does not have colonies in africa and did not have , did not claim them, including, for example, which one is exactly the same, why? because they are great powers , status obliges, this is exactly what leaders like putin, kakinpini and so on are achieving today; on any issue, if it arises, they gather everything, but the key voice of the country that is located in a particular region, on issues of, say, the southern caucasus, belarus, ukraine, the key voice for moscow, on issues

of the middle east, for example, the key voice there will be for iran, saudi arabia on issues of the western hemisphere, the key voice is behind the united states and brazil, well, everyone participates in all discussions, but it’s not like the americans are solving the situation with ukraine, a country right on the borders of russia that was just yesterday, which had a common capital in moscow, even without discussions with moscow, it ’s impossible to even imagine, russia is changing this situation, forcing itself to be respected. olek, thank you, we will hear the opinion of alexander lukashenko. for some reason in the european union they believe that we are opponents of the european union. belarus, you know, we are not vindictive people and despite the current turbulence in the european union of sanctions that the european union is introducing against us, you should know that the president of belarus is an ardent supporter of the preservation

of the european union. because i love you very much european, because the european union , together with the usa, china, well, maybe russia, india, to some extent, are strong pillars of our being. everyone, we really want the european union to be a powerful, strong, sovereign and independent association, we are aimed at this, and you should know this, with all the nuances in relations and even the policies that the union is pursuing in relations today. we are supporters of the union. we are concluding our discussion, so i give the final word of today’s program to each participant for 30 seconds. nikolay moratovic, please. the most important thing is that

our viewers in the republic of belarus should hear. everything depends not only on the undoubtedly great powers, but now, due to the development of the media, every vote in favor is important. votes, they are extremely important for us to preserve human civilization, yes, please, andrei petrovich, i feel a sense of pride that i belong to the civilization that won the second world war, that civilization that today did not fall under ours, as they say , to our opposite side, and what today we are able... a multipolar world, i think that the future, indeed, and this future world order will come precisely from our local civilization, which is called east slavic, and i think that our three

peoples will definitely be together, this is our strength , thank you very much, oleg, i really hope that the americans and europeans will come to their senses in this sense and understand that in any case , the real big europe there is really from vancouver to vladivostok. in this sense, in a multipolar world, sooner or a counterbalance to the global south and the global north will be formed late, be that as it may, i think that each of us, after all, paris and berlin are much closer than beijing and new delhi, i am grateful to all participants, today there was a deep, extremely interesting discussion , as the host and author of the program, i had incredible pleasure, i think it’s worth listening to and re-listening to, but i’ll end with the following: during a speech in cape town in 1966, president john f. kennedy’s brother robert said: there is a chinese curse that says: so that you live in interesting time, whatever one may say, we live in

interesting times. his son, robert kennedy, jr., a candidate for us president , today can say the same with full confidence , we live in interesting times, the unipolar world is a thing of the past, the multipolar world is still far from stabilizing, but it won’t be boring... to whom until new meetings, this was sas program to fully declare the multipolar world has arrived, but the question of how to exist in it, avoiding the countless risks of geopolitical polyphony, has yet to be answered.