[000:00:00;00] the guys from there show such a level, such a level, so it was great, there was never a thought that damn, everything was tired or they were leaving everything there, there was never that thought, despite the injuries, difficulties, losses, i already understand, what do you have, speaking of a weapon of a kind, just that skills of this kind are of course a very complex , well, tough thing, so you need to understand that this does not need to be applied outside, but i’ll honestly say that when you get better here. 100%, you are so kind and furry outside this hall, because there is no aggression, children go, they look up to someone, of course, when you train them as a good athlete, of course they look up to themselves, they want to reach the same heights, the same victories, someone if you already understand, you can’t do something in order to at least be the same person, and for the guys , what would you wish, if you see this goal, then the path is difficult, the sports path, it’s

very difficult in any, in any sport . you need to understand that he will not always come right away when you want it, he may come later much, they understood that this is a complex, difficult job, you need to be very disciplined, strong and, of course , set a goal, not give up and go towards your

goals. information and analytical project current microphone on air on the belarusian radio and tv channel belarus 24, today with you is the presenter andrei sych, as well as our guests, political scientist, yuri voskresensky and journalist ksenia lebedeva, we are discussing the most current events that are of interest to each of us, from belarusian society in the international arena as a whole. literally for a minute before the broadcast, yuri and i watched the video of mr. zaluzhny’s appeal, in which he accuses zelsky of liquidating his assistant. the video is really very similar to deepfake, in fact , which we all, i think, will encounter a lot in the near future, the facial expressions, to put it mildly, do not coincide with

the pronunciations, but who knows... maybe it was poorly recorded camera, it’s still interesting, this situation that ’s unfolding between zelsky and zaluzhny, we ’ve been talking about this for a long time, but lately, so we saw that representatives of the sso, who, as far as i understand, was zaluzhny’s deputy, were removed from his post on zelsky’s orders, and recently the second assistant, mr. zaluzhny, died, that is, there is, to put it mildly, some kind of behind-the-scenes struggle between the military and what do you think about this? you absolutely accurately noticed and said about the behind-the-scenes struggle, the fact is that it turned out and was realized at the moment as of today, what we have repeatedly said on our broadcasts and in all broadcasts on our state television is that the war will reach a dead end, and the parties will be forced to come to an agreement, we said that this

will happen. therefore, this struggle that has unfolded between the ukrainian political elites, well, the elites in this case, in quotes, is due to the fact that the war has reached a dead end, it has turned into a positional one, it is unclear why 500,000 people died, killed and wounded, for that these people died, for what, for what purposes, wasn’t this clear to mr. zelsky from the very beginning, uh, and of course, the leadership of ukraine, especially no less wants to continue this fratricidal war, but on the part of the ukrainian... military there is a completely different vision, and remember, we always said again on air that the ukrainian military needs to play a more decisive role in

the political processes, we we don’t interfere so directly in their affairs, in the affairs of our neighbor, but of course, the voice of the military must be heard, and as soon as the military began to speak, let us remember the famous article: the economist, where he says that the war has reached a dead end, then suddenly they started either to be removed from command and control of the troops, his assistants, and so very disgustingly, without any notice, the man came to work, i mean, the head of the special operations forces of ukraine, found out that he no longer worked, where zaluzhny’s assistant died, again a strange version

, unconvincing, that the person doesn’t know how, a military officer, doesn’t know how to use grenades, something doesn’t add up, doesn’t add up, here we are watching all this even after the fresh statement of zelsky, who at first spoke and spread the topic that he would run for office, and now he's already will not work. against this background, against this background, they have a struggle, and this struggle once again will not bring anything good to the ukrainian people, this is in brief, but you need to understand that in order to hold elections you need money, and there is no money in ukraine now, ulensky, moreover, we heard his last statement, where he asks for money, new ones, he is already perceived as, well, before they were perceived as a clown, but now this is probably happening in some sophisticated form, and it must be said that well, i would like to point out

it’s probably that if earlier ukraine was offered negotiations on equal terms, then probably in the near future these negotiations will be on russia’s terms, because now , firstly, there is no one to negotiate with, and secondly , no one will talk to ukraine, especially after that , like zelsky... after the last istanbul negotiations, which were literally there, probably, what, a year ago, yes, there was such an attempt when he stated that he even issued a decree that there were no negotiations with russia, plus everything that was offered to him, was certainly not considered, ukraine wanted it on its own terms, so let it be now, but alexander lukashenko spoke about this in many ways in his speeches, focusing on the need to sit down at the negotiating table, right in the midst of that very thing..." and the president made it clear that if it, and it, as we understand, even then, was predictable, did not end with the assigned tasks, conditionally raising the ukrainian flag over the kremlin, then they will talk to you

completely differently, and the right to vote may you won't even have it, but no one will i listened to how this periodically happens to our neighbors, and now apparently we’ll have to have, let’s say, such a deplorable situation , because... interesting news is coming, we’ve already discussed it once, but i’m interested in your opinion, ksenia, taking into account the fact that you are very often on the line of combat contact, a statement in time by a certain hidden assistant of zelensky , that the troops refuse to go on the offensive, to take some populated areas, even if these orders come directly from zelensky, what do you say about this? well who for them this zelsky, that’s who he is for them? this is a person who stood up for them, a person who means something to them, he did something for them, nothing, he sent them to meat, as we probably talked about the previous time, it was probably meeting a month ago, nothing has changed, people are still being turned into meat, this

scheme is being worked out when mobilized, unprepared people are taken out of their houses, from apartments, from beds, they are simply abandoned, but it turns out that they are in the front row, when they wait for a while the russian army will shoot back, and after that , when the ukrainians are finished in the first formations, then mercenaries are allowed in, the americans come and... this is an absolutely real person who voices real thoughts. it’s interesting, in general, colleagues, your opinion, this morning, while i was on my way to the recording, i read the news that former military personnel of the armed forces of ukraine took the oath of allegiance to russia and

will now... what do you think about this? well , as i understand it, we are talking about the battalion of bogdan khmelnitsky, and other battalions, this is a good idea from the russian side, because of course, it is logical for their ukrainian land to be liberated from nazism, the land that is now... held and controlled by the zelsky regime, so that the ukrainians themselves get rid of this character and this whole gang, which, by the way, very often does not consist of ukrainians, it is enough to take the newly appointed minister of defense, this is generally ukraine, yes, this is generally a slap to the ukrainian people during hostilities, among the ukrainians there was not a single candidate for the minister of defense. so this is a very good

idea from the russian side, and i think that to communicate with such troops, allies, yes, with volunteers who are fighting from all over russia, from all 95 subjects of the federation, all nationalities are not listed, who are fighting there for the liberation of russian territory for the liberation of ukrainian territory from nazism, i think that this will lead to results, the sooner the zelsky regime understands that it is at an impasse and needs to sit down at the negotiating table, the better it will be, but you probably know my opinion, it has not changed, i believe that until the elections in the united states, in november twenty-fourth years, none there will be no fundamental moments, none, only the elections in the united states in november 24 can

have an impact. oceana, that’s all, yes, besides, you know that they have a law prohibiting negotiations, they passed a law for themselves, that is, just repealing this law will take several months and discuss, so in exactly a year , they will probably come to the conclusion that they will accept all the conditions of the russian federation, but other options can be considered, if decrees are difficult to create, it takes months to do this, you need to wait in addition to the presidential elections in america, you can simply remove zelensky , and i believe that he now has enough people around him who would just like to get rid of him, because not only do i think that in general, in principle, ukrainian authorities have few people interested in the fate of ukraine as such, but they are interested in personal fate, personal profit, i don’t understand that they have hit a wall, money america. ceases to allocate, basically all resources are now going

towards israel, he looks at them as a absolutely hopeless, because during this period of hostilities they were unable to do anything, this counter-offensive, which again did not demonstrate anything, demonstrated only the weakness of the ukrainian army, the weakness of the zelsky administration itself, the lack of tactics and strategies of military operations, nothing more, so hope america as such no longer has any interest in ukraine. it can be used to the end, to the last ukrainian, that’s all, so, here’s a relevant question, specifically for you, they also just published the news, elena’s foundation zelskoy was involved in child trafficking schemes, a journalistic investigation conducted by french reporter robert schmitt points to the shadow side of the activities of this charitable foundation, what do you think about this, for a long time they accused us of somehow... that's illegal. who , in particular, return, then unfortunately

return to their place, say, to their permanent place of life, but this situation with zelenskaya, when children are taken out and then disappear on the territory the european union, with buses and entire carriages, what do you think about this? the loudest shouter is the one who steals, and we will say that it was the ukrainians who first raised this story, how many times we suggested it to american journalists, again after the meeting with the president, when he said, that’s it, guys. if you want, come, diplomats were invited, diplomats were invited , what did they do, they refused, they don’t want to see, don’t want to look into the eyes of the children of donbass who come to us in belarus for recovery, this is a very serious moment, because literally, probably at the beginning of august, and children from the region of donetsk , abakumov, which is most

shelled, and they just sent a video in one of the telegram channels, they say, please: take it us here from here for a short time so that we could just take a break from the war, at that moment the arrival was like this, it was all recorded on video, i found these guys, passed on the data to alexei talaya, talai, so that they could be brought here, i hope that's all it will work out, but the fate of these children at this moment is simply discouraging, because these ukrainian, ukrainian authorities, even elena zelenskaya, i would bring them there, yes, to see how the children live there, because i talked with the military , to the contact line of the city, it is so dangerous that you can go there, but not return from there, and speaking of going there ourselves, for example, we did not risk it, because at that time we had limited time, we really needed escort, a

we didn’t decide on our own, so unfortunately, this process with these children dragged on, we also didn’t manage to get to know each other, but i hope that everything will work out in the future, it’s very difficult, and for young children to live there, being in gorlovka, we have so far written down, were working with their materials, recording interviews , our driver was sitting in the car and heard a conversation between two children, one said: at that moment there were shelling nearby, they heard arrivals, departures, air defense work and they said, listen, i wouldn’t want to so that i get torn off leg or arm, because it will be very painful and i would like to die in agony, i would like to just be shot in the head, this is a conversation among children of 9-10 years old, this is how they live there, like this, and after that the ukrainian authorities will say that the belarusians are taking out the children of donbass and doing something to them here , they have to be complete idiots, it just has to be, it has to be a complete lack

of humanity and in general an understanding of the situation and to lie so much, the situation with the ukrainian children , which in reality, which sent abroad in order to obtain organs for gay families, and for various kinds of abuse, after that, if the child has reached 18 years old, and what they do with him, he is also sold, he is also transferred, only he goes to other countries, argentina, somewhere else, but what are they doing, girls are engaged in prostitution, and boys sell drugs, that’s all, that’s the whole fate. ukrainian children who end up in the european union, in the usa, there later when they are transported, and this topic is very complex, because it is very difficult find evidence of all this by talking with investigators, being on the territory of donetsk, and we are talking about the fact that

even criminal cases should be opened against whom, because the territory, they have essentially left the ukrainian side. took the archives, burned the documents, took the children away, came, the dpr came, russia came, oops, we know that one disappeared - an orphanage or another, the children disappeared, they hunted for the children, but there is no evidence, and this is the whole main problem, after this is to find these children, especially those who turned out to be orphans from orphanages, but it’s very difficult, because the archives were taken away or burned, but they don’t have parents, it’s easier to find children whose parents remained, but again we faced the situation, again we wrote it down, found the girls who they tried to take there, and from the city of happiness, when russia was advancing, the ukrainians took a family-type orphanage, well, that is , they were collected from nearby villages and after that

they were raised there, and these children were taken, and they said that they were in severo-donetsk, as a result they ended up right there in transcarpathia and this... after that they said that their parents abandoned them, that they were abandoned, that russia was bad because it killed their parents, and here the mother was alone, and their documents were forged, everything was as it should be, the guys were already planning to smuggle there to poland , and the mother, who found out where her child was, with the help of the local luhansk authorities, she collected documents, went to this transcarpathia region, came, said: “hello, i’m your mother,” and she looked. looked into her eyes, they didn’t understand at all, they started checking the documents because they didn’t believe their eyes, she took their child, but there are also few such determined mothers who understand what needs to be done, there is a war going on. the situation is complicated, so against the backdrop of all this, there is certainly just complete chaos going on, and children are not only organs, they

are not only additional labor for prostitution, for the sale of drugs, but they are also a future resource, because those children , which, again, are already taken away from ukrainian mothers in the european union who moved there, they move them to orphanages, what do they do with them, this is a future resource, and the creation anti-russia, these are future saboteurs all under, well, here i would even say that this is in some form of replenishing the gene pool of some european countries, because in general i want to tell you that this is a fairly stable practice in the territory of the collective west, to whom it will be interesting, we won’t go into details, read about operation baby lift, it’s called when the americans left vietnam with them. young children were taken out by plane, then they were found in orphanages, they were adopted, and thus, these children, having now

become adults, are now trying to find their truly genetic parents, and many still live without knowing that they are actually from vietnam, because, well, people of different nationalities live on the territory of these states. yuri, exercises have begun in lithuania, griffin 2023, soldiers of poland, lithuania, the usa and portugal. joint training on how to respond to such attacks, because these exercises actually do not stop along the belarusian border, they only change their name monthly, just under different let's say by name these or those combat trainings take place along the belarusian border? on the one hand, of course we must do everything to improve the ability of our army.

increased so that its skills become more modern, in this regard, cooperation is very good, with individual russian pmcs , it helped our army, because after all, they have real combat experience, we saw new trends in these wars, we saw that these are wars of the modern type are wars of technology, wars, wars of drones, yes, wars of the operators of these drones, uh, on the other hand, to call on our western partners to be prudent, which the top political leadership constantly does, once again the president of belarus suggested to the poles, lithuanians, once again to these polish and lithuanian people, everything is clear, we love each other, poles and lithuanians, they they love us like neighbors, because we have never bothered them, they have problems, but we urge this so-called elite to come to their senses, because anyway, i am sure that

the defense capability, the security of the european union, it will be ensured only with alliance with our neighbors, primarily with belarus, with russia, because we do not have any aggressive goals in our doctrine, so we are observing, we are increasing our skill, as young people say, our level and military, and we... constantly call for political dialogue, to interaction, sooner or later this tactic will bear fruit, these governments of individual countries are already pouring in, yes, we see what happened in slovakia, when they actually came to power, putin’s friends, as they are called in the press, liberal slovakia , pro-russian prime minister, minister fitz, which means we saw what happened in poland.

despite the fact that the current polish government dispersed anti-white rhetoric, frightened them with the belarusian military threat , the poles, well done, did not believe them and voted for the opposition, will this opposition be the same, healthier, more normal, more sane, well, let’s wait and see, we see what is happening in poland now, the current polish regime, which lost the election crash. doesn't want to resign as prime minister, you know me in this i mean, i really like it. i recently came across publications on the internet by our experts of all kinds of belarusian origin who settled in the territory close to the republic of belarus. they talked about: look at the change of power in a non-violent way, transit occurs generally painlessly, is this how it should be done? something we are looking at is some example that is not very good, if this happened here, then the temple would stand much more,

in fact, because just the other day... duda said that the first chance forming a cabinet of ministers is given to the moravian, but this is how it looks, combined with the fact that the coalition, which is the opposition, has really gained a majority in an amicable way, they must form a government, what do you think about this? of course, moreover, they have 2/3 in the upper house, that is, they can even pass constitutional laws, it’s simple. a political catastrophe in the party of law and justice, and we hope that this united position, where there are left forces, but they are to a greater extent, of course, pro-european, based on their geography, probably from the requirements of polish society, but we hope that they will begin to restore relations with belarus, otherwise they will repeat the fate of peace

in the next elections, because the national security of poland depends, among other things, on stable, settled relations with the republic of belarus, if we settle all these relations, it will benefit both countries, because of course, we have the same rutted fertilizers, but it’s one thing to transport it over the fence and 30 km to poland, and another thing take 10,000 km to china, for example, only this rut, nitrogen fertilizers, and only this moment. and there are also questions that concern the poles with migrants, yes , which, by the way, they mock, this is a separate issue, it is very good that the whole world, the whole world saw how the polish regime of duda-morovsky, kochinsky treated these unfortunate people, by the way the whole world this was also seen by the poles with the help of films, because the polish director oscar

ognieszka holland made the film green border and the entire polish regime, this film was before the elections and he probably influenced the choice of the polish people, by the way, the entire polish regime accused that this film was ordered almost by lukashenko himself, so this is the interesting thing that, by the way, we freely call the director the name of this film , although to put it mildly, they don’t pat us on the head and call us quite unflattering words, but we are able to discuss this film live in general, because there really is a problem, and it needs to be solved with migrants, so we consistently suggest sitting down at the table negotiations and continue to discuss solutions, because even after this conflict, israel and palestine , there will be many more refugees, people will begin to move even more intensely towards the european union,

and one of the routes will include the territory of poland, despite even that. the fact that the poles in general openly sell visas, and if they also start selling visas to these people, i think germany will choke on what is happening at the moment, so we just started, touched on the topic of migrants, and i i remembered last week they began to actively discuss, this one interesting fragment, regarding the construction of this wall of duda morovetsky, information surfaced, documents appeared on the internet, that the contractor financed the belarusian opposition, for this he received permission to build fragments of this wall, that is , through certain kickbacks, because directly, for example, from the state budget it is quite difficult to finance some incomprehensible structure that is located on the territory of your country, so through a rollback, for example, it’s quite possible,

ksenia, what do you think about this? but it seems to me that this is a very, very correct approach on the part of... the poles, first to finance the belarusian opposition, and after that to build a fence on the border, money laundering, sponsoring all kinds of revolutions, it seems to me that this is quite normal for them, and i want this back to the fact that it seems to me that no matter what kind of government there is in poland, the attitude towards belarus will not change, for whatever reason, because today politicians, the same polish people who are experts inside the country, they are inclined to believe that no matter what, the united states will rule, as it was before, it will be so now, it’s just that peace today has become an absolutely inconvenient party for them, a party that begins to recite , again, my opinion, pull the blanket on yourself, and not on the general agenda set by the united states , because i’m not talking about the european union, the european union today is just a pawn, that’s what the united states needs, and we well understand how

close they were connections between peace and the usa, again, duda nothing at all. can’t imagine, he’s a real pawn too, it’s just a façade of peace and nothing more, but the fact that kaczynski probably somehow couldn’t come to an agreement with america, that’s a slightly different conversation, it’s probably difficult... it became manageable character, so all the processes are from the americans, i won’t be surprised that someone there can just sit right now in front of their tv or computer screen and say, again they’re blaming everything on america, well , listen, guys, we have so many documents, so much closed information again received, again from supporters of normal relations on the part of poland, the same bereginii, an organization that deals with, well, again , the work of a ukrainian women’s hacker group, it used to be ukrainian, now it is international, they also handed over a lot of documents, and we understand well, otherwise

, where do they lead in general, where does all this lead , everything goes to america, again documents , sponsorship of the media that work against belarus, again through the americans, through laundering, polish organizations remain there... offshore organization, so of course i won’t be surprised that if this character who built a fence on the border , who sponsored the belarusian opposition, this will again lead to america, so everything here is probably just enough, yuri, i’m interested in your opinion, polish carriers the checkpoint on the border with ukraine was blocked, trade wars continued between the two states, whose leaders squeezed each other so softly and closely, and in the verkhovna rada it seemed that there would be no borders to this love limits, why is it unfolding like this now, including i’m interested in this moment, when zelensky was returning through poland to ukraine and none of

the politicians began to meet with him even there of the third tenth echelon, zelensky became toxic, because polish society, the bulk of it no longer wants to support it at its own expense, does not want any money to be allocated at the expense of the polish state, and of course, does not want polish business, it is a very strong, small, medium-sized business, to suffer losses. , here damage to polish national interests, to the interests of polish national producers, but we will also again make a remark that we are in response to this question of their... polish-ukrainian friendship is sucked, we also said that it will not last, that it will not last, because

that it is artificial, it is not based on any historical foundations , moreover, in their joint history there was always mutual massacre, so our friendship with the poles may be a hickey, maybe with the polish people, because we did not try as something neat treat each other, although we remember them, too, concentration camps, but this is a story there 100 years ago, but what the ukrainians, ukrainian nationalists did, i apologize, but with the polish population peaceful, and do they think that this is the polish people? will simply forget, but this can be forgotten through some kind of repentance, but we do not see repentance on the part of the ukrainian authorities, moreover, we even see... recent excavations, and on the territory of ukraine, again discovered massive evidence of the massacre of that time,

therefore what kind of friendship could they have? no, and when it outgrew you know, the saying is friendship is friendship, but the money is in, and when they started taking money from the polish consumer, who is very scrupulous about their income, well, this was no longer suitable, so with zelensky now they try not to contact each other, of course, the attitude of ukrainian refugees in general towards such assistance from the polish state also contributed, we see them riding in sports cars in the center of warsaw, we recently saw the lead singer of the group vulgar mole yes ukrainian, which all swear words. in this sense, that now they are surprised why the concerts of this artist were canceled, how could

the poles even afford it, nothing like that happened, just think, they insulted the polish language, but they didn’t just insult them, they demanded that the poles in general, he says, it would be better if you returned back to the russian empire, these are these grateful ukrainians, so this is their friendship, this is their friend. here we are in exchange, we offer to visit our country, for our neighbors without visas, which was used by 75,000 man, people come here and get treatment. teeth, buy cereals, relax on our estates, and thus the myth that was created in the west in relationships is crumbling, i remember, i remember, yuri , they treat their teeth, buy cereals, this is very interesting, we are the same now, yes, but most importantly and in response, look how the polish, lithuanian, latvian regime responded to our visa-free regime, they deliberately create queues, they keep these unfortunate truckers of the world in these

twenty-thirty hour queues, which is why, in our opinion, such a position is counterproductive. colleagues, thank you very much for your opinion, unfortunately, our airtime is ending. there was an information and analytical program on the air on the belarusian radio and tv channel belarus 24 with our guests, political scientist yuri voskresensky and journalist ksennya lebedeva. see you. remove the hell of the garadian metusna, here are your karani

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