[000:00:24;00] socio-political talk show in essence, today is november 6, tomorrow is a public holiday, october... revolution day we will talk about it today, in order to join our conversation, there is a qr code here, please point it to it screen of your mobile phone, and you can write us messages, here is the second qr code , and after downloading it, join our telegram channel, in principle you can know what our program lives off the air, kiril kazakov and alena syrova are with you, hello ,

good evening, well, in general, traditionally i’ll start... with this behind-the-scenes discussion, while we were preparing for the program, the significance, in general , of november 7, here kiril, says that for 2 years now i have been pumping up the topic of the importance of this historical date, i want to say right away that due to age, i can allow you too, because due to the fact that you are also a historian, i will say right away that i don’t have any kind of rejection towards november 7 or bewilderment about what we are celebrating. this day, but i want to develop this idea, and one of the arguments that is always given in favor why belarus is one of those few countries that still introduced the great october holiday, and celebrates it as a state holiday, they always say that thanks to those events, the events of the seventeenth year, in principle, our country had a chance to

the acquisition of statehood, so... to me, as a young man born in a young, independent country, this argument, well, it just seems that the most important and fundamental, besides, of course, those very historical events, yes, a certain part our society is still going on, and i’m sure that tomorrow, november 7, they will go to the lenin monuments, all the classic attributes of this celebration will still be observed, but there is a feeling that it’s like, well, not just rebirth, but ... overfilling of this holiday is happening. alexey, i have a question for you, and as a historian, including as a young man, how correct in your opinion is it to refill, not just replace some concepts, but to refill those holidays that we have inherited with ours? some new meanings? and you know, firstly, any holiday is first and foremost a tradition, yes, and it seems to me

that overfilling is not entirely... correct, why, because we must clearly understand what events took place at that time, and this very long-standing events, we must understand the historical circumstances in which this or that event took place and, accordingly, with this understanding, somehow in the future even educate young people and celebrate these holidays, what to say about specifically young people, attitudes, it ambiguous, why? of course, there is that part of the youth who at this time - tomorrow will come out to lay lights on the lenin monument, there are those who will simply call their grandparents . will talk about the topic of their youth, and there are those who will not remember this holiday at all, they will simply understand that it is a day off, a day off, a day, yes, why, and from here, it seems to me, this is normal, this is objective, but in what the reason for such a stratification in young people, a specific opinion, is still upbringing, upbringing not in school or student, but in the family, yes, because everything is simple, in fact, in my opinion, if in their youth their grandparents lived well

in the soviet union for some reason, then they transmit this pride, joy for their lives, for their own for their fatherland to their generation; this is the logic that turns out in russia for example, it is possible, but can i just say now, look, but if, for example, this holiday is torn away from the soviet union, well, look, we are tearing off, well , relatively speaking, september 17, sometimes we are tearing it off, including from those events, which took place in in the year thirty-nine, we are talking about the fact that two parts of the country united, and for many, for those who lived well in the soviet union , congratulations, well, okay, but if anyone doesn’t remember this soviet union, here you and alena were most likely already born in belarus , independent belarus, but i was unvoted then, that is, the question here is what, kiri, but this is part of our history, and we do not have the right

to disconnect the october revolution. from other events that took place, we are now talking not in the post-soviet space, in to our country, and to which our people owe, what significance it had for us. i want, i want to say, well, first, first, using your program, i want to congratulate our civil society on such holidays , i look at the screensaver, here my mood immediately rises, i belong to the generation, to the generation that caught, uh-huh , processions, rallies, i saw all the people, i was a kid with my grandfather, with my grandmother, with my parents, i took part in these processions , i took part in these rallies, i was a living witness, joy on people’s faces, friendship, they lent their shoulder to each other, that is, it was a completely different situation , and i am glad that tomorrow, i am sure of this, civil society will gather to lay flowers, as kiril said, at the monument to vladimir ilyevich, and also regarding the holding of the rally,

but you and i, alexey raised the question correctly, we must work with young people and explain this significance, first of all we must talk about those aspects that if there is no... no history, no history, no spirituality, culture, and how alexey said, there is no education, and without all these factors there is no person and there is no civil society , so we must promote this position on an ongoing basis, alena, alexey nikolaevich, well, the reasoning arose in general because, well, i think that many people know, but for those who are not, yes, belarus is one of the few countries where this transnistria , the russian federation refused, yes in 2004, they had their own holiday on november 4, they celebrate it there, although it would seem strange, everything after all, russia is

the main heir to that very soviet union, the question arises about the interpretation of exactly those events, that is, if for us, as i said above, this is a chance to gain statehood, then perhaps for the russians, well, they haven’t given up state status tomorrow, maybe yes, but in russia there are also enough holidays which are celebrated and these holidays belong to and, or rather, take place under the ideology of the communist party, no matter what we say, but i’m sure, i know that tomorrow gennady andreevich, together with the public , will also lay flowers, and no one is does not prohibit it from being carried out in russia, well, that’s right, not a state question, look at the purely historical question, which means that we are already talking a lot about the fact that the really great october revolution provided an opportunity, which the belarusians took advantage of for various

reasons, to create their own republic, first soviet, then independent, already the one that exists now, and indeed, these events can be assessed differently, but the revolution made it possible... to create this republic, that’s the question, i understand, as a historian, that any event can be look at it through the prism of anything, but as far as i understand, and maybe i’m not confusing it, the october revolution made it possible to create independent finland, lithuania, latvia, estonia, poland, the revolution in russia influenced the revolution in austria-hungary and prussia, and a serbo-croatian-slovenian state, a separate independent hungary also appeared, that is, in fact, you can. to say that this revolution, which then produced something like this, marched, roughly speaking, across europe, after all, it gave independence to all these countries, why did they they don’t remember this, although the logic here is very simple, i think that they also

remember very clearly, it is impossible to erase from history, the fact that the revolution of 1917, the october revolution played and - had a huge impact on the discovery of world history, this is inconceivable , there is no need to repeat here, you showed very clearly, for our country today, the republic of belarus, this is one of the most significant events, look, before 1917, how can we talk about a national state, but we can evaluate it differently, the idea that is under didn't carry anything after all, minsk was occupied by the germans, and during the german occupation, the german occupation, the majority of the population was not supported, but in principle, too, even in the history of belarusian statehood, this

period is very clearly described, but on january 1, by the way, we will celebrate 105 years of the formation of the bssr, i mean the ussr, the socialist soviet republic of belarus, here is kiril vladimirovich, and we all live here as a sovereign independent republic of belarus, we have a constitution, we have the opportunity for the constitution to have articles 15-54, where all the historical forms of statehood, as it were, are remembered and the most important scrap of the history of the great patriotic war, this is the merit of the october revolution, therefore , we will probably discuss this attitude with you today, but i am especially concerned with this program.

i was preparing, today i called many history teachers in schools, universities, with the authors of textbooks, teaching aids, and each of them noted the significance of the october revolution and those events that have been going on for 106 years, okay, look, the question is for many people who, for example, spoke out against the government in 2020, they say, here is the bpr, this is also a belarusian republic, why do we... bssr give preference when you start talking about the fact that there are certain state principles there unity of territory, tax collection, our own army, that is, many, many things that no one actually remembers when they say that we had a bpr, why, for example, do we really give more preference to the bssr from a historical point of view , not with ideological, yes, the bssr, all that we have by and large, today i am a historian with a higher education.

there are young people standing here, this is, by and large, also a merit of the october revolution and the acquisition of statehood on a soviet basis, and people supported this decision. i’ll add one more thing, we say statehood, i completely agree, territorial integrity, further, we say the bssr, well, we must understand that during the period of construction and the bssr, we created the largest foundation on which the young people are now. the country is founded and is developing, industrial, industrial, scientific and technical potential, let's take the social aspects, let's take healthcare, education, nikolavich, and i'll show you, there were , besides ours, 14 soviet republics, they all try to forget this period, although everything that you said, all this appeared in them, central asia, in fact , states appeared precisely thanks to the october revolution. revolution, you can add very distant history as much as you like, for example, like in

the ukraine of the great ukrainians, but all the same, this is they had it too, they had it, but thanks to our president we have it, we didn’t privatize, didn’t destroy, didn’t sell , this is people’s property, these are the foundations that were laid by the communist party in the post-soviet space, head of state alexander grigoryevich lukashenko didn't give it all. well, it seems to me that, after all, here , the point is that there were different relations initially, that is, we perfectly understood that we were developing as a state, we were being formed as a state, and many considered themselves already formed, you listen to the same ukrainians, yes, what do they say, they already call the soviet period there a period of almost occupation and seizure of their territories, and it was not lenin who created ukraine, they themselves somehow well, by the way, this is also such an

interesting moment, because the bolsheviks in in 17, we didn’t see the creation of a national state in the republic of belarus, i’ll tell you this , lenin, lenin, when he carried out the revolution, dreamed that it would be a world revolution, and then there was no place, so to speak, for a national state, yes, but it was supported ukrainian people's republic in 17, lithuania, latvia, you know, if i talk about, for example, ... well, the paradigms of this time, our modern one and the one that was there in the seventeenth, eighteenth, nineteenth year, then essentially the entente, which suddenly sharply turned into an enemy, well, there was the anglo-saxon world, all these ukrainian people's republics began to support, there were some kind of kolchak creations, and in order to essentially destroy russia, because at that time who supported the civil war on the part of the whites? well, it’s just the west, that’s all those who are now called nato, andrey, right? well, kiril, the question is correctly asked: today is this assessment

of the holiday, this is a question of specifically real relations with russia, today they are all very different, that is, they say the occupiers, which means we created ourselves there, there was nothing russian there , all this anti-soviet agitation that we have in belarus and others are equally anti-russian, this is an obligatory subtext, that is, they say, yes, we are against the communists, but it is also implied that we are against russians, that the russians were invaders there, who i don’t know, occupied that entire territory, regarding the belarusian state, again, yes, the school had a system of parallel control, there were troops of the western front, where there were, well, huge masses of soldiers who were not belarusian, but they fought here for 4 years, there were a million, by the way, but here there was also a relatively smaller group, for example, the authorities made decisions manually, so who should they support and what kind of government should they create here, thank you for this, that it was chosen belarusian project, and then we ask the question, why was all this necessary , that is, from barsky, the shoulders were given this statehood or for some task, and the task was simple, a

new polish state was being formed on our western territory, there are our belarusians had the rights of slaves, laborers, a powerless minority, which the poles oppressed in every possible way, they had to show the soviet government, look, there are other belarusians , your brothers, who live normally, their own school, university, their own, their own science, their own personnel appear, all this was oriented against poland, of course, and this gave results in 1939, here andrei, well, look, yes, look, the president, in my opinion, last year, speaking at the minsk arena, in time of the day of national unity, he told such an interesting story, which very few people actually remember, that when they came to help us from europe, from the west, we always... i ’m not confusing anything, that when the polish state was created, yes, after all there is also the question of what to give independence or statehood of belarus was not a question at all, and when, for example

, the nazis came here in 1941, there was also no question of statehood, that is , it turns out that during the october revolution. so why should we then look to the west, where we were always considered second class, of course, the right of a nation to self-determination in soviet russia, albeit at the beginning as autonomy, but then, by the way, a year after the kaiser’s germany had already ceased to exist, towards the end on the 18th, the liberation of this territory, polish, began polish troops occupied this territory, this too. here we have gathered here, all so smart, all so immersed in history, some more, some talked about the fact that in order to understand some holidays in general, and therefore, most importantly, the philosophy

of our state, buildings , you need to know history, just know history, but for those people who simply know history, even at an acceptable level, for the majority this holiday is limited there to some dry facts, yes, and associations with how alexey is doing nikolaevich i remembered my childhood, with how it was celebrated and celebrated, yes, they got used to the fact that some important objects are opened, by the way, the head of state in ostrovets, when we were, said that yes, after all , psychologically, even such... a moment remained that maybe they would have done something longer, but right away you need to make a gift for the holiday. at no time when i started the program did i say that it was necessary to abandon the historical basis, in principle, understanding why this happened, but rather said that

ah, in order to popularize this story, in order for it to take root, people need to, well, somehow sell this idea. there is a request to understand the processes taking place around our country, now the twentieth year has shown us this perfectly, that those who did not realize what was happening blindly went along with it, accordingly, and in order for this holiday not to be associated with with something just bad, i don’t know, with something with some kind of relic, we need to put emphasis on what is important for us today, and what is important for us is, again, our creation: statehood, the development of our statehood, this is my personal opinion, but maybe young people have a different opinion, evgeniy, it’s generally clear that you communicate in a certain circle of young guys who probably, some of these things don’t need to be explained, but you travel around the country, and you

have some dialogue platforms there, you hear some questions being asked, well, what is the general attitude towards november 7, just let’s see no slogans, no ... rainbow picture, just there those who don’t go to dialogue platforms, but they most often live by a slightly different paradigm , western values, well, we fell under them, there’s no escape, here’s how to explain to them, well, in general , you correctly noted that especially if you take young people , then for them it’s a small poem, like a red day on the calendar, it’s a holiday , november 7th, yes, they know this poem and how they simply perceive it in such a humorous form, but for this, in general, it’s also... soviet power, when it existed here, left such a trace for posterity, these are monuments, our president correctly emphasized that we are the only country that remains, unfortunately, which celebrates only the seventh, well, the only country that celebrates this counts. this is truly a great holiday, the second point is that we are monuments, we left all the monuments, we try to maintain them in proper

condition, that is, they even put the monument in order on independence square, that is, you all saw, i think the photographs, that is, we are preparing, and this monuments are like a symbol of certain events that took place, well, a monument on independence square, it’s a historical value , it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter who stands there, we understand who it is, yes, well, it’s like a historical value, that’s the question - then another, they don’t know the name of lenin vladimir ilvich and don’t know the author, look, can i complement my colleague, i really want to complement, so, look, it seems to me, this is probably one of the important points that we should convey not only to young people , but to the entire population, then what is ours we must learn to accept history, and we must learn to accept any events , good or bad, i will explain the logic, how it is connected with november 7, when i communicate with young guys on dialogue platforms and we touch on the topic, for example, the soviet...

hence the most negative for some reason, moments, as a rule, the regime, yes, well, there were negative moments, but there was also a lot of good, much more than bad , i say that the accents for years have focused the attention of the same youth, destructive from these here. china, like they are with theirs are the stories coming? they accept good and bad moments, but most importantly, without mistakes there would not be the china that we have today, why can’t we have such acceptance, maybe that’s how we have it, we essentially have that, but here here look, i just look, i understand that if a churchill bar were opened in minsk, it most likely would not cause any resonance at all. a fashionable name for one of the comrades who led great britain,

and when you start reading history, for example, in the same india, how many people were said to have died in india, no one even gives up the opportunity, but if you call bar stalin, the hype will immediately begin, how many people died, when you say, let us still perceive this in the paradigm of that time, as it was, from stalin at that time, if you even say that logically, and how cynically, they were no different, but we , forgive the expression, here we perceive this story, churchel is good, stalin is bad, but stalin is ours and only thanks to stalin, ours the country is what it is, and cherchel, forgive me, it’s a fashionable word here, but i wanted to point out, let me add, and our youth are literate, smart, they understand everything, but our task is to explain to them those processes, technologies are being developed, and

one of the technologies, what i say on the dialogue platform, it’s no secret, here andrei lazutkin , is to destroy everything connected with the communist party, the ideology of the communist party, they haven’t come up with anything better than it in the world, i say right away, and through this they will attack the celebration october revolution, look, they are already doing this, turning it around, which is our great victory. unity day, other significant events that took place in our country must be denigrated, so this is our task , i repeat, to reach every young person, anastasia olegovna, please tell me, here’s how to prepare political scientists in general so that they can endure , now, especially young political scientists who were no longer born in the soviet union, so that they come and teach or talk about the soviet union about the great october revolution, exactly as we are talking about, yes, that is, so that this becomes the basis, relatively speaking, of the ideology of our modern state, you know, i

probably want to say with joy about our youth, in general with pride about our youth, specifically about future political scientists , they created a project with us: youth along the roads of history, which received a grant from the president of the republic of belarus in the field of youth policy, within the framework of this project, they created a club for young analysts of belarus, this is very competent political scientists and political scientists. who consider this story not only from the point of view of one country , but they, as you say, have a lot, a lot, a lot of information, but from this flow of information, they choose that objective information, and how to make them listen, create a club - it’s good to gather, you know, if the youth themselves create a club, if the youth themselves go to the youth, then they listen to them, but in the beginning, you know, there is such a classical wisdom, teach three people to work and thousands will work, classical soviet wisdom, right? so i came, when i came, we had three , four, five people gathered, now they themselves are going , walking, they are talking, they are talking, look, the question

is not about political science, but still somewhere in this area. and when we talk about chagiwara, we roughly understand what it looks like, because a portrait of chigiwara is such a marketing thing that is visible everywhere, they print it on t-shirts, i don’t know , in mugs, they print it anywhere, there is such a story about chagiwara, about lenin , unfortunately so it’s impossible to say, neither about stalin , nor about lenin, when we, again, this may be western technology, but we understand that they work, this is marketing, how to sell it beautifully, this. this is within the framework of our program, but how can we sell this ideology? look, when svo started, yeah, the guys who are fighting there without appreciating svo, yes, they are marching with the soviet flag and it became a trend, we don’t have a trend, thank god, we don’t have a war, thank god, but how can this be done, not with the soviet flag and yes,

that’s exactly the soviet symbolism, which would become a trend. rather, what you talked about above, yes, that among young people, it is much more fashionable to remember some people, western or far away, who lived in this for a long time, they were in this for a long time, now, in order to learn how to walk step by step again, they themselves they should, let’s say, but i always tell them, okay , you’re talking about history, come up with your own emblem, your symbolism for this history , add history to it, add modernity to it, add... culture to it, then you will get a new modern product, with whom you will go into further society, here andrey, tell me how to learn to work like this as a marketer and how you can sell these very symbols of the soviet, and i will say this depending on what problem you are solving, that is, our state symbols, it in essence it is soviet, we don’t need to come up with anything new, but it’s a little changed, but everyone understands perfectly well where the roots come from, everyone is already removing some artificial structures that need

to be invented, you know, invent something ourselves , the second point is this... for example, street protests, yes, that is, they did not come out under a white-red-white flag , initially, it was a white flag and there were 3% , these are the numbers, and these were protests against violence there, and not for poland, there not for america, for something else, then , when a small group there tried to direct everyone to the same reality, they started having problems, that is, the nationalists tried to lead such a fairly broad amorphous movement, and we kind of have to proceed from this, that is, we didn’t have , you know, some sick country that is there every second person was a nationalist, no, even less so, but talking to the lower classes and there is no point in breaking these people over the knee, forcibly explaining something to them, the situation in russia is different, that is, they started this military operation, but the question is how to do it to evaluate, in russia there is a left, quite strong direction, there is a fairly strong right , that is, some say we are restoring the soviet union, while others say the russian empire, and this is a contradiction, because the question is, what national rights will this new one then have? the ukrainian state there, how it is planned, how we will address these people, these are russians, ukrainians there

were invented by the germans, what is it like in general they are also digging deep, that is , this is what is happening today, they are forming new brigades, for example, today they are ukrainian, under poroshenko the petlyura brigades were formed, these old all sorts of names were taken from the upr, today there are already brigades like bandera, so they take these old names that were still in the second world war, and they are trying to go there insert, that is, they also remember for a specific task and symbolism that has already been forgotten, you know, they are looking for some roots, this is normal, in fact, that is, well, it’s a question of goal setting, that is, we need to explain something, that we are somehow special without russia , yes, or we want to show that we had a common project, when we worked great, they helped us, and we helped, in general , we pulled it off decades later, this is something we should be proud of, you know, and when we still we are trying to teach someone there, well, we must always set a good example, look, you can work with russia like this and not fight with them, yes , you can cooperate, interact, carry out integration , look, the question is this, that is, when we talk about the fact that the october revolution

is, well, in fact, one of these, one from the days when... after him we managed to create our own national state, even in the textbook the history of belarusian statehood, after all, we reach the polovsk principality, this is how it is historically correlated that here we really are after this event created a national state, but the president says the grand duchy of lithuania is also a belarusian state, and the poltian principality is a belarusian state, so how does this correlate? that we are here on november 7th, well, here’s what i did, and here’s how to explain november 7th and the memory that we started from polotsk, or i don’t know, the date of birth of vytautas the great’s death, well, you know, the flock and i think that it’s not since i expressed this, and my colleagues support me, for some reason we constantly

make excuses, there is such a thing, here is the holiday on november 7, but what difference does it make for others, like us, we have almost ten million people, not that we make excuses and don’t compare them like with others, but in human psychology it’s like i’ll now give an example of covid when and when covid when covid these are all corona psychosis when it started, you remember why there was bewilderment and people about that that we are not closing businesses, we are not stopping, we are not... we are not going into general quarantine, because we were looking around with our heads left and right and well, the whole world was closed, but we weren’t, then the head of state, very patiently, spoke as best he could about,

why do we do this, explaining popularly, what for and why, exactly the same story with november 7, well, roughly speaking, we turn right, left, we understand that only we have state status, why, why is this holiday so valuable and so important for until november 7 , 106 years ago 17 year 160 106 years, but the state, if it is a strong sovereign, independent one, has a thousand-year history, so the polotsk principality of turov, if you want, now we have submitted

such proposals on the topics of dissertations research polatsky russia, and we... this is the moment, we tell, we convey that, for example, even someone will say that they don’t watch statehood, because we are discussing television, this is not true, this is kiril vladimirov, remember, on dialogue platform, how clearly they dotted all the dots. well, alexey nikolaevich, i also want to add, vladimir leonidovich, vladimir leonidovich, i said this from a historical aspect, but i want to say that

what is also connected with october or the october revolution is that it gave birth to for the people, for society, social guarantees that in our state, under the leadership of the head of state, are developing annually, you look, first of all , the budget for 24 is now being discussed, what are the priorities , don’t be offended, but look, we have a multinational state, we have so many games were held today, four games, not only with you. to note, this is the important basis of this consolidation and there is no need

to divide the communists, the bolsheviks, the weeks, no, nikolai, well, how important is it, here you are listened to our entire discussion, yes, as a person who works with young people, as a person who has the status of a teacher. received yes, that is, well, naturally yes, that is, how important and correct is what we are talking about now, maybe we are not explaining it at all and there is no need, although they will grow up and become the same as us, well, well we know, in our historical memory, this is the chestnut on which everything is grounded, and in the system of education of the capital, and in our entire country, this is the basis of the quality of our work, here we can, a series of detailed measures , which are also intended to capture historical memory in other ways, for example, in our leninsky district

, the capital of the city is right. s festival of museum pedagogy, for skin teachers , belarusian language, russian language, any teacher from time to time we can practice some kindness, worker, kali laska, and all the time we teach, holy kastrychnitskaya revaluation, what is it, like patrabna corruption, if they understand, understand, well, from the very beginning . dzyakuy for torture, nasamrech, na sennyashnym at the current stage, students, they already have some sense, some moments are possible and not dull , they have their own reason, their own panic, because we want this history of ours, we do not fight the world, sleep, and so on. sst,

staўlenne adzіn yes dnago i know , for example, tomorrow my students and i will be busy with the christmas celebrations, i don’t know who uladzimir lenin is, of course, of course, here we go, the younger generation doesn’t know some basic points. you can yashche, i’ll tell you more, for today stage, for example, at various competitions and republican ones, navat and technical intelligence and 100 ideas for belarus, the quality of projects of academicians from all over the country are presented at the same time on a historical topic. aya olegovna, i’ll just tell you a story about your student, who is now works for the minsk news agency, here he is, that means kiril kolechets, that means he has his nikyanov 1870 in his telegram channel, yes , when i saw this, i just ask, i say, that’s how, why lenin, he says,

well, because this is... really a person, who in history brought a lot there, but there are a lot of these guys, or just so we understand, because they come, but they come to a specific profession, in general, there are a lot, a lot of such guys, and even the same ring, kirila, also slava sabansky, i can name a lot, well, i can name everyone, because i want to name everyone and i can be proud of everyone , yes, that is, these are not only political scientists, this is the faculty of accounting, economics, this is the faculty of management, this is the faculty of marketing , this is the faculty of business communications. comes the understanding one, it is those who understand, they go who understand and go on to teach this understanding to others, evgeni, wait, and which ones , you know, they asked me to prepare to talk a little about what young people say, i took with me what young people say , yes, that is, it’s about this holiday, okay, that means, and very often they ask me by the way for igor aleksandrovich morzalyuk to come to us, because they rely,

our standard program is built on... they say that we appeal attention to the fact that the revolution 1917 created the conditions for the implementation of the idea of ​​belarusian sovereignty, this idea, well, this is, in fact, our main task, we are talking about this, in fact, this is the key role of october in the history of the belarusian state, the october revolution was inevitable, since the provisional government did not could solve current problems, land, national, economic, okay, let’s restore it, evgeniy, so you tell me, then look, again, i live like all normal people in tiktok, although at my age i’m probably it’s bad to live on tiktok, but still for work, and i watch a lot of small historical videos there that are made by young people, who, in fact, talk about russian history, but this is not the case in belarusian history, i understand that this is important for a dialogue platform , but tiktok is really just something that doesn’t take away the hands of so many people

, maybe we can somehow go there... who is lenin, who is stalin, why does our country honor november 7th, maybe we should go there, it’s a really interesting idea , here you are they reminded me, or rather, they suggested this idea, i remembered that recently in russia a series of such feeding muddy stories was created where they were told. that is, this is a really interesting format, just the only thing, about such characters as lenin, stalin - it ’s really, firstly, it all happened not so long ago, and these are very ambiguous characters, and even from the point of view, i started, i started with that that stalin is an ambiguous character, and cherchel is unambiguous, it’s just that stalin is really, so to speak, unique a personality who just so happens to be not

only from the outside. other countries criticized this state figure, so within the country, they themselves turned out to be an example , look, through the mouth of a baby, as they say, verb, lenin and stalin are ambiguous characters, kiri, i want this, you are reading tiktok, i want to recommend that you telegram channels of the communist party, we are also engaged in this education, using what exists, i say again, i would like young people to come in and read, i ’ll make a remark for a second about how once again lenin, stalin and churchill. it seems to me that there really is a rational grain in the fact that churchill was still far away, they know about him from films made, a historical character by whom we can judge there, but very remotely, and the same stalin, yes, our grandmothers and grandfathers, remember those times in

1939 when eastern and western belarus was united, people, but people then focused their attention on the fact that this was not about unification. radomskaya and i discussed with my brother, a historian in the novogrudok region, koshelevo, then with my aunt dzyatlovo district of okhonova, that is , i know the information, how it is taught, what topics are taught, with facts, in principle, schoolchildren have one point that they paid attention to , people do not know the impersonal history. and what you know, i’ll say, for example , you know where the belarusian soviet socialist republic was created on january 1, 1919, in what city in

smolensk, just no, just here i am, as if here with the facts, maybe ok, yes, but i’m just saying that we’ve been upgraded for some time, here’s the program. did about cognitive wars, they really pumped us up, that our history is shameful, and you are telling the truth that many, why do we have to make excuses, remember when we we a few years ago, when there was still before 20 something before the event 20 somewhere met, and i said, here is evgeniy ponasenkov, remember how he shows millions of views hitler, stalin, hitler, stalin, and everyone, but with us what is bad is good, here again in relation, for example, if you read wikipedia, there everything is bad if it's a news feed. without bad journalists, sorry, it’s not always clear, we know that, but still, you still need to not be shy about the positive and drop by drop show, popularize, promote and not shy away from symbols, symbols, or

events. andrey, look, you have your own entertaining political science project, where you are also very detailed, very, as i always say , the most, most sarcastic political scientist in our country, andrey lazutkin, in something like that, yes - but you always bring out positive, maybe we really don’t have enough, well again, here we stand, however, we seem to be explaining, lenin and stalin are ambiguous characters, i, as a historian, can argue as much as i can here, but still this is an opinion, how to convince and how to convince, here again, this is the same the most marketing story, how to sell a chigiwara and how to sell lenin, well, i’ll answer you as a practitioner, it means that we live with russia in the same cultural field, some people don’t like it, but that’s how it is, our volume is belarusian, small, objectively, here the volume is larger. russian all these trends that exist there, both good and bad, they all flow here, our youth, well, let’s say there is a politicized group there, 20-25 percent, so they are very interested in any kind of politics , then they look at russian resources, what will they see there, well, depending on your luck, something just good

, something bad, someone is watching sobchak, yes, someone i don’t know, puchkova is more of such a left-wing blogger, that is, you can find something there for every taste, these are the disputes that we are retelling today like this, this the disputes that are going on in russia today stem from their own history, like the chinese, this is bad, that’s good, well then we’ll be able to fit some kind of version to their version, i don’t know, this general picture, while this is not there while svo is going on, you know all this, it’s written in blood, yes, of course, it’s difficult to argue about that, here what was good, what was bad, if we take, again, the nineties , yes, well, again, we lived in this cultural field then, everything that was directed then against russia, against russian history, like you should hate yourself , their ancestors, their soldiers who fought, this everyone was a criminal, the war was a criminal way, the partisans killed people, and the germans sometimes saved them, so they explained to the outskirts of our republics that you have a thousand-year history, you are so ancient and well done, the russians are very bad, they explained to the russians themselves, you should disassociate everyone, leave everywhere and sit and repent, pay money there to the west as reparations, that is, this liberal version of russian history is now migrating

back to us for export, and it turns out we must, as it were, by belarusian forces refute, but of course we try to do this, but it turns out that then you don’t know at all, of course no one will do our work for us, but this is work specifically in belarus, influencing the russian cultural field is, of course, very difficult, there may be one version, in russia will be different, in the end it will turn out, well, you know, even confrontation, look, maybe i, too, maybe correct me, look, because we have november 7th - this is our belarusian holiday, it’s really belarusian , he is no longer russian, he is not soviet, he is russian holiday, from the point of view of me, at least okay, this is my opinion as a historian, as a journalist, that lenin... stalin, with all of them, for example, some kind of assessment in russia and in the west, for belarus , for belarus, the creators of the state, for belarus, at least for belarus, we can do this. history, that’s how he says, it’s being pumped from there, russian here, we can create our own, here we have our own holiday, these heroes

are our own, because man is also a rather ambiguous person, but in china in china he’s a maut, you know, today, too, when we discussed with our russian colleague, well, for example, there are different assessments or names, we came to the conclusion, there is a fact, october 25 , old style, november 7, the fact of the october revolution, can be called differently. maybe after some time in the russian federation they will call it differently, but for us this is our history, by the way, facts, today in textbooks, for example, in schools and universities, we have come from facts to the conclusion that there must be an assessment , and the assessment should be given to teachers at school and is given university teachers, as they say, now basically everyone has access to facts, the teacher’s task is precisely this knowledge, here is the forum of the union state, general

history, common fate, recently there was such a forum by vadzim fransavich in the national library and there the textbooks were shown and us single textbooks single program in the ninth grade first lesson kastrychnitskaya revaluation and forest on the established national belarusian border. and allow me, i also wanted to add one of the elements, the first one, we also discussed this a lot, of course, from you, from journalists too, a lot, to saturate this agenda and discuss these topics, what you are doing today is very important, the second, let’s say, was officially created in our party the only party out of four, a youth wing has been created, it is in no way in opposition to the brsm , it is a league of communist youth, well , as andrei lazutkin said, these are people, young people who are interested in politics, diplomacy, which means... we teach them, they respectively perform at other venues

with our peers, plus, we carry out fairly large-scale international activities, where our youth share the historical facts of our homeland with their peers abroad, this is also one, the communist movement in europe is still popular, very popular and let me take a couple of seconds, this it is also symbolic that today the program is dedicated to the celebration of november 7, the great day. i want to congratulate and i know that kirill and alena do not have anniversary medals, we the party issued for the centenary of the great october socialist revolution, anniversary medals, so i want to present with pleasure, thank you, well, yes, this is this is this is the reality of alyonushka , so this is, well, here by the way, three symbols, a cruiser, aurora, stalin and leni, whatever one may say for us really well, to a certain extent, these are things that are a modern state

that we have, so that igor aleksandrovich does not accuse me of interpreting his words, we also talked to him, he said, he has the largest selection of literature according to the works of lenin on stalin, stalin is probably one of the people who read about the belarusians, so... in the twenties and took notes, these are his words in the next program, when he comes, he doesn’t question about this, you just know, it seems to me that through certain facts, andriy well said this phrase, that 20-25% of young people there are those who are interested in politics, because i have a favorite phrase from our sociologists, who say that up to 30% of this creative class who is interested in politics, economics, should to be in society, because a little more - society is unstable, there are too many ideas , that’s why i understand that, in principle , we have a sufficient number of

young people who are really ready to, well, promote these ideas, evgenia , well, as a matter of fact, i’m saying it again, don’t be offended by me for lenin and stalin, i’m expressing my point of view, but i’m saying it correctly, and andrei is correctly saying that here we have a third, guys, conventionally speaking, which, well, which can call them young people who can really... in the future, determine there , including the ideology of our country, no matter how pretentious it may sound, but for us to live, you decide, you will come after us, you will determine what holidays, what monuments, yes , everything is true, indeed, in the future, and these images will be conveyed to the youth and we will promote ideologies based on the experience of previous years, therefore, including the rich experience of both the communist party and the communist ideology, because even our ideologies, the president always emphasizes this , which are being promoted in belarus, those social benefits and so on. everything passed thanks to the communist state, the soviet union, so we will build our

ideology based on the past, but at the same time you will watch, because you were raised that way, you were taught that way, and there are others. other young people, who have different values ​​and understandings, who are not among those who are interested, but who do not watch historical videos on tiktok, but simply play another one, they should, at a subcutaneous level , perceive our symbols as native, our holidays, simply because it’s ours, here’s our flag, our coat of arms, our holiday, that’s it , there are no questions, it’s belarusian, then you come back again, we say, but still, tell me how to sell this, the same thing at school lenin himself, for example, this holiday, how to sell, how to sell, to sell words for this, well, as if i understood , for our own sake, well, for our own sake, for our own sake, geta

so, dzetsi, well, not so natural, turned around and learned and yes... zahavanne, all of you have the great coat of arms, the great national symbols, the great national symbols, what the day is, well what tyden, every day, we are talking about this year, and we are exhausting this torture, and this is why we, for example, have the 8th anniversary of the fall of the year, we will not be singing the anthem, and i’ll all be asleep, i’m not disgraceful for geta, gata nasamrech ... so i was asked tortynna, tsi vedyutz dzetsi lenina, yana navat tsytuts , kaneshna, yana is not a chisky nurse, well , well, so, yana vedasets , yana eight expressed, yana, yana i know that we are mentors, well , we are taking advantage of this, and i know that we are i bet, you know, there are a number

of journalists, who are usually called extremists, who very carefully monitor our program, well, they’re just constantly in context. make sure that november 7 becomes a national holiday, yes, because we want it to become a national holiday, we really want this and to talk about what, for example, does not arise, and it seems to me that it is already a national holiday if we don’t have the idea arises there to abandon it and the question does not arise, we rather have a question, again, you can criticize me, but why is it not there, at the state level, for example, among our neighbors, but the question does not arise why it is fixed at the state level here, here is another point for our respected historians, we very often touch on it in the context of such programs, that the same children may ask, rather at the stage of study, yes, why, again , we have elevated this particular historical date to the rank of, well

, the highest public holiday, here are others on which ours are speculating and why don’t we still do it on january 1st a national holiday, because it was created, of course, it’s the new year, there are many different stories, but still they say that the day of the creation of the bssr, well, that’s also essentially one step towards creation. which exists, well, in the same way, if you compare some statics somewhere with other states , we have fewer public holidays, so with regard to january 1, it may be, of course, here you clearly said, new year, new year, yes, there seem to be more

cop things here, look, we, if we go back to day of national unity on september 17, we were also told how many times, no need , september 17... why, how is this one of the public holidays, which is on the level of may 9, july 3rd is independence day, and the day of the october revolution, it is traditions, they were always the first, the first holiday oleksei nikolaevich, remember, from history, it was already celebrated in 18, the first, in 18, and then every year, during the years of the vyalika patriotic war, the same thing was remembered and parades in moscow on 7 november, but i really like it, at the end of the program, i i really like the approach of our alexander grigorievich, in the context of what he says: you need to act in a businesslike manner, so he says this very often from the point of view of the economy there, from the point of view of the work of industrial enterprises there, it seems to me that

this is a businesslike approach maybe in the humanitarian sphere, in the ideological sphere, because it really happened, we... lived for many years just like this, to take and refuse to throw something away, but always, in november, the president talks about this, always simpler, therefore - we could have seen, in general, we followed that path, we could have seen how much this would be experienced there in the young state, how much society would perceive it, and as we see, time has shown that the holiday itself has adapted , yes, the format is precisely his celebration, because no one forces anyone to go to these demonstrations, and everyone, at the command of his heart, does what he considers necessary on this day, so it turns out that these are historical events, traditions that have already taken root. .. in the subcortex of our belarusian consciousness, they take on the forms that we now really need in this historical

period, but then something may or may not change, well, look, the president very often says that november 7 is a holiday of justice, well, in fact yes , it took place because people fought for justice, because they wanted equal conditions there, work a day, saying it came and we, as it were, also celebrated justice, and as for. sales, you know, and once we conducted such a marketing research, and most importantly, the most successful brand, trademark in general in the whole world, came up with, as these experts say, was sickle and mold, everyone knows,

sickle and mold is always sold everywhere. ready for an exciting adventure through the cities of belarus on the banks of one of the cleanest rivers in europe and in the second most honorable city in belarus, gomel. kryvichay, and then the prince of smalensk, chernikhauska and the turavapin principality.