[000:00:00;00] how people and governors work on the ground, we openly and honestly said that we will participate in these elections in every possible way, i mean the vertical of power, this is a very important campaign in belarus, there is nothing more important than the political campaign next year, followed by the formation belarusian people's assembly, the election of delegates to this meeting, how are things going from your... point of view, i ask you to continue not to deviate from this topic, as far as possible, to the extent that the central election commission will need to help, support them together with the presidential administration and the lower house of parliament. alexander lukashenko asked how things are going in the capital, given that natalya kachanova is the authorized representative of the president in minsk, the situation in the regions is also in focus, which

worries people on the ground, especially taking into account the preparations for next year’s election campaign, as the head noted council of the republic, not only governors and local authorities, but also public organizations were involved in active work. it took place in ankara the eleventh meeting of the belarusian-turkish intergovernmental commission on economic cooperation, during the work a rapid increase in trade between the two countries was noted. the $15 billion level, which was set as a benchmark by the presidents of belarus and turkey, may be reached in the near future. interaction with turkey is carried out in a wide range of areas and is supported by political contacts and dialogue at the highest level, at the level of intergovernmental communication, interparliamentary communication and serious interdepartmental cooperation. our meeting today is a clear confirmation of the presence of serious support

for the focus on the active development of trade and economic relations. following the meeting, a protocol was signed, which contains 15 sections. the document involves resolving issues regarding mutual settlements, as well as working on the logistics of delivery of goods. in addition, a number of investment projects have been proposed to turkish partners, which will allow them to realize their potential to a greater extent. mutual cooperation. world quality day is celebrated today in belarus. the quality of domestic products is already a brand of the enterprise. every day we work to improve the safety and competitiveness of products and services, traditions and quality have government support, now there is a corresponding state program until 2025, the key task is to quickly respond to both external factors and the needs of the domestic market. there are almost 2,500 accredited conformity assessment bodies in the country. in 2023, the order was approved there are 470 stbs and gosts, in total

there are more than 30 in the state standards database. we assume the tightening of some certain criteria, quality indicators, strengthening of quality management systems, development of these systems and the development of new standards for quality management systems. surgeons of the republican scientific and practical center of cardiology successfully performed open apthesis of a thoracic aortic aneurysm. the operation lasted about 9 hours. this is a high technical level. difficulties. moreover, surgical intervention was performed for the first time with such a severity of diagnosis. the postoperative period proceeded without complications. the patient is currently undergoing rehabilitation in the hospital. this operation is performed extremely rarely throughout the world. the number of open interventions on the thoracic aorta ranges from 40 operations per year. for the first time, the exhibition project collected about five thousand unique museum objects that had not previously been exhibited and were stored

in the storerooms of the radivilovsky palace. the museum premiere is dedicated to the thirtieth anniversary of the founding of the nesves nature reserve museum, among the museum’s treasures are archaeological objects fine arts, printed publications and manuscripts, photographic documents, nomismatic collections as well as mechanical parts, furniture and musical instruments. for our thirtieth anniversary, we decided to surprise our visitors with items that had never been exhibited or were exhibited, but for a very short period of time, therefore from nine stock collections. we selected a small number of objects, this is only small for the size of the museum 4665, but for the exhibition this is quite a large number and really large some of them have never been exhibited. in addition to introducing valuable historical exhibits, the anniversary exhibition tells

about the museum’s secrets of restoration. socio-political talk show in essence, today is the sixth of november, tomorrow is a national holiday, the day of the october revolution, we will talk about it today, in order to join our conversation, there is a qr code here, please hold your screen to it mobile phone and you can write to us with a message, here is the second qr code, after downloading it, join our telegram channel, in principle, you can know what our program lives off the air, kiril kazakov and alena syrova are with you, hello,

good evening, well, in general, i’ll traditionally start with such behind-the-scenes stuff, but while we were preparing for the program, we discussed the meaning in general, november 7, kiril says that for 2 years now he has been pumping me up on the topic... the importance of this historical date, i want to say right away that due to my age i can allow you to do the same , because i am young due to that that you are also a historian, i’ll say right away that yes i have there is no any rejection of november 7th or bewilderment about the fact that we are celebrating this day, but i want to develop this idea, one of the arguments that is always given in favor of why belarus is one of those many countries that until now, the great october holiday has been introduced and celebrated as a state holiday, they always say that it was thanks to those events, the events of the seventeenth year, that, in principle, our country

had a chance to gain statehood, so for me, as a young man born in young independent country, this argument, well, it just seems, but the most important and fundamental, besides, of course, those very historical events, yes, a certain part of our society still goes, and i’m sure that tomorrow, november 7, they will go to the lenin monuments , all the classic attributes of this celebration will still be observed, but there is a feeling that something like, well, not just a rebirth, but an overfilling of this holiday is happening. alexey, i have a question for you, both as a historian and as a young man, how correct is this? in your opinion, should we refill, not just replace some concepts, but refill those holidays that we have inherited with some new meanings? and you know, firstly, any holiday is first and foremost a tradition, yes, and it

seems to me that overfilling is not entirely correct, why? because we must clearly understand what events took place at that time, and these are very long-standing events, we must understand the historical circumstances in which this or that event occurred and accordingly. already with this understanding somehow in the future, even to educate young people and celebrate these holidays, what can we say about specifically young people, attitudes, it is ambiguous, why? of course, there is that part of the youth who will come out at this time tomorrow to lay flowers at the lenin monument, there are those who will simply call their grandparents and talk about their youth, there are those who will not remember this holiday at all, they will simply understand, that a day off, a day off, a day, yes, why, and from here, it seems to me that this is normal, this is objective. but what is the reason for this stratification in youth, a specific opinion, this is still upbringing, upbringing is not school or student, but family, yes, because everything is simple, in fact, in my opinion, if in their youth grandparents lived well in

the soviet union for some reason , for reasons, then they transmit this pride , joy for their life, for their own for their fatherland to their generation. this logic turns out in russia , for example, i don’t celebrate, can i just say now, look, what if, for example, this holiday is torn away from the soviet union , here you go look, we are tearing off, well, relatively speaking, september 17, sometimes we are tearing off, including from those events that took place in 1939, we are talking about the fact that two parts of the country have united, and for many, for many, this is in principle that’s enough, and then we write further, yes, it was liberation from the polish occupation, but still, and here you are talking about, well, it’s good if people lived well in the soviet union, congratulations. well, okay, and if anyone doesn’t remember this soviet union, here you and alena were most likely born already in belarus, in independent belarus, well, i was not educated then, it turns out, well , that is, what is the question here, kiril, but this, but this is part of our history, and we have no right

to disconnect the celebration of the october revolution from other events that happened, we are talking now not in the post-soviet space, in our country, and to which our people owe, what did it matter? i want to say, well, first, first, using your program, i want to congratulate our civil society on such a holiday, i’m looking at the splash screen, here i have on... also with my grandfather, with my grandmother, with my parents , i participated in these processions, i participated in these rallies, i was a living witness, the joy on people’s faces, friendship, brotherhood, they lent their shoulder to each other, that is, this is completely different the situation was, and i am glad that tomorrow, i am sure of this , civil society will gather to lay down... and also

regarding the holding of the rally, but you and i, alexey correctly raised the question: we must work with young people and explain this importance, first of all we must talk about those aspects that if there is no memory, no history, no history , no spirituality, culture, and as alexey said, no education, and without all these factors there is no person and no civil society, so well, the reasoning arose in general because, well, i think that many people know, but for those who don’t, yes , belarus is one of the few countries where this transnistria region is located, but transnistria is still not, well, not recognized as a state at all, the russian federation refused, but in 2004, they have their own holiday, november 4th, they have it there, they celebrating, although it seemed like that. it would be strange, after all, russia is the main heir of that

same soviet union. the question arises: the interpretation of exactly those events, that is, if for us this, as i said above, is a chance to gain statehood, then perhaps for the russians, this is a completely different connotation, since they refused, well, they did not refuse, tomorrow from state status, maybe yes, but in russia there are also enough holidays that are celebrated, and these holidays belong, or rather, pass under the ideology communist party, no matter what we say, but i’m sure, i know that tomorrow gennady andrevich zyuganov along with the public will also lay flowers, there will be a rally and no one in russia is prohibiting this from happening, well, that’s right, not a state issue, this is a purely historical question, look, this means that we are already talking a lot about the fact that the really great october revolution provided an opportunity

, which the belarusians took advantage of, for various reasons, to create their own republic, first soviet, then independent, already the one that exists now, and indeed these events can be assessed there differently, but the revolution made it possible to create this republic here, that’s the question, i understand, as a historian, that any event can be viewed there through the prism of anything, but as far as i understand, it can not to be confused, october... to create independent finland, lithuania, latvia, estonia, poland , the revolution in russia influenced the revolution in austria-hungary and prussia, a serbo-croatian-slovenian state appeared, a separate independent hungary also appeared, then is, in fact, we can say that this revolution, which then produced something like this, marched, roughly speaking, across europe, after all, it gave independence to all these countries,

why do they o i think that they also remember very clearly, it’s impossible to hold back from history, the fact that the revolution of 1917, the october revolution, played a huge impact on world history, this is indisputable, there is no need to repeat here, you have very clearly shown that for today, our country, the republic of belarus, this is one of the most significant events. look, before 1917, how can we talk about a nation state? yes, you can evaluate it differently, they tried to celebrate the centenary of the bpr, although we can clearly say, yes, this is a romantic idea that did not carry anything, after all, minsk was occupied by the germans, and during the german occupation, the german occupation, the majority population. was not supported, but in principle too, even in the history of belarusian

statehood this period is very clearly described, but on january 1, by the way, we will celebrate the 105th anniversary of the formation of the bssr, i mean in view of the ussr, the socialist soviet republic of belarus, at the end of december, most likely there will be a round table , at the republican level we will celebrate this, for the first time the national form of belarusian statehood, and the fact that today... and alena and kirillo vladimirovich and we all you and i live here in the sovereign independent republic of belarus, we have a constitution, we have the opportunity to have article 154 in the constitution. this is a merit of the october revolution, therefore this attitude, we will probably discuss with you today, but for this program, i in particular, i was preparing, today i called

many history teachers in schools, universities and the authors of textbooks. and each of them noted the significance of the october revolution and those events that took place 106 years ago, well, look, the question is for many people who, for example , opposed the government in the twentieth year, they say, here is the bpr, this is also the belarusian republic, why do we give preference to the bssr when you start talking about the fact that there are certain state principles there unity of territories, collection of taxes, its own army, that is, a lot. something that, strictly speaking, no one remembers when they say that we had the bpr, why , for example, do we really give more preference to the bssr from a historical point of view, not from an ideological point of view, but the bssr, everything that we, by and large we have counted, today there is a historian with a higher education, there are young people standing here,

this, by and large, is also a merit of the october revolution and the acquisition of statehood on a soviet basis, and people supported it. i'll add more, we're talking statehood, i completely agree, territorial integrity, further, we say the bssr, but we must understand that during the period of construction of the bssr, we created the largest foundation on which our young country is now based and developing, industrial, industrial, scientific and technical potential , let’s take the social aspects, healthcare, nikolaevich, and i’ll show you, there were, besides ours, 14 soviet republics, they are all trying to forget this period, although everything that you said about, all this appeared in them, central asia, in fact, the state appeared precisely thanks to the october revolution, you can put

in a very distant history as much as you like, for example, like the great ukrainians in ukraine, but still they also had it, they had it, and we have it thanks to... our the president has it, we didn’t privatize, didn’t destroy, didn’t sell, this is people’s property, these are the foundations that were laid by the communist party in the post-soviet space, the head of state alexander grigorievich lukashenko did not let it all be destroyed, but it seems to me that after all, here , the point is that there was a different attitude from the very beginning, that is , we understood perfectly well that we... listen to the same ukrainians, yes, what do they say, they already call the soviet period there a period of almost occupation and capture ukraine created its territories, they themselves were somehow created, well, by the way, this is also an

interesting moment, because the bolsheviks in 17 did not see the creation of a national state in the republic of belarus. relatively speaking , there was no national state, but the ukrainian people's republic was supported in the seventeenth year, lithuania, latvia there and you know, so i, if we talk , for example, about the paradigms of this time of our modern and the one that was there in 17.9, then essentially the entente, which suddenly suddenly turned into an enemy, well there anglo-saxon. all these ukrainian people's republics began to support the world, there were some kind of creations of kolchak, but in order to essentially destroy russia, because then who supported the civil war on the part of the whites? well, just the west, all those who are now called nato? andrey, no is not it? well, kiril, you are asking the right question, today this assessment

of the holiday is a question of specifically real relations with russia and today they are all very different, that is, they say, occupiers, which means we created ourselves there, there was nothing there . all this anti-soviet agitation, which we have in belarus and others, is equally anti-russian, this is an obligatory subtext , that is, they say, yes, we are against the communists, but it is also implied against the russians, that the russians were invaders there, who are not here i know, they occupied that entire territory, regarding the belarusian state, again, yes, they teach it in school, so we had a system of parallel control, there were troops of the western front, where there were huge masses of soldiers who were not belarusian, but they fought here 4 year, by the way, it was, but here it was still relatively... a smaller group , for example, belarusian communists, the authorities made a decision manually, so who to support and what kind of government to create here, thank you for this, that it was chosen belarusian project, and then we ask the question, why was all this necessary , that is, the lordly shoulders were given this statehood or for some task, but the task was simple, a

new polish state was being formed on our western territory, there are our belarusians were on the rights of slaves, laborers, a powerless minority, which the poles oppressed in every possible way, and they had to show the soviet authorities, look, there are other belarusians, your brothers, but who live normally, their own school, university, their own, their own science, their own personnel appear, it was all oriented against poland, of course, and it gave results in the thirty-ninth year , look, yes, look, the president, uh, in my opinion, last year, speaking in the minsk arena, during day of national unity, he told such an interesting story, which very few people actually remember, that when europe came to help us from the west, we always lost people, lost statehood, generally lost a lot, as soon as russia came to the rescue we gained, here again well, i'm nothing i’m not confusing that when...’ the polish state was created, yes, after all, there was no question at all about giving independence or statehood to belarus when,

for example, the nazis came here in 1941, because there was also a question about statehood it didn’t stand, that is, it turns out that during the october revolution that took place in russia, the russians gave us this opportunity, but no one else tried, so why should we then look to the west, where we were always considered second class? of course, the rights are in soviet russia, let at the beginning as autonomy, but then, by the way, a year after the kaiser’s germany had already ceased to exist, by the end of the eighteenth year the liberation of this territory began, polish, polish troops occupied this territory, this also influenced the fact that by december of the eighteenth year the decision was made to create the ussr. but you understand what’s the matter, that here we are gathered here, all so smart, all so immersed in history, we ourselves said that in order to

understand some holidays in general, and therefore most importantly, the philosophy of our state structure, you need to know history, just know history, but those people who simply know history, even at an acceptable level, are objectively not so many, our program with you is in order to explain at least in simple in words, for the majority, this holiday is limited there to some dry facts, and also to associations with how alexey nikolaevich recalled his childhood, with the way it was celebrated and celebrated, there, yes, they are accustomed to what some important objects are being discovered, by the way, the head of state in ostrovets, when we were there, said that, after all , even such a psychological moment remained, that maybe they would have done something longer, but right away by the date for the holiday you need to give a gift, at no time when i started the program did i say that it is necessary to abandon the historical basis in principle of understanding why this happened, but

rather spoke about what is needed in order to popularize this story , in order to it took root, people need, well, somehow it’s to sell this idea , there is a demand to understand the processes taking place around our country, now the twentieth year has shown us this perfectly, that those who did not realize what was happening were blind let's go and have some fun, accordingly, in order for this holiday not to be associated with something, just bad, i don’t know, with something with some kind of relic, we need to put emphasis on what is important for us today, and what is important for us is, again, the creation of our statehood, the development of our statehood, this is my personal opinion, but maybe young people have a different opinion, evgeny, it’s generally clear that you communicate in a certain circle of young guys, to whom you probably don’t need to explain such things, but you

you travel around the country, and you have some dialogue platforms there, you hear , they ask some questions, well, what is the general attitude towards november 7, just let’s do it without slogans, without some kind of rosy picture, just there are those who don’t go to dialogue platforms, yes they most often live by a slightly different paradigm, western values, well, we fell under them, there’s no escape, so... how to explain? well, in general, you correctly noticed that, especially if you take young people, then for them it’s a small poem, like the red day of the calendar, it’s a holiday, the day of november 7, yes, they know this rhyme and how in such a comic form they simply perceive, but for this, in general , the soviet government, when it existed here, left such a mark for posterity, these are monuments, our president correctly emphasized that we are the only country that remains, unfortunately, which celebrates only the seventh, well , the only country that... celebrates this considers it a truly great holiday, the second point is that we are monuments, we left all the monuments, we

we are trying to maintain them in proper condition, that is, we even put the monument in order, here... on independence square, that is, you all saw, i think photographs, that is, we are preparing, and these are monuments, they are like a symbol of certain events that were, on independence square is a historical value, it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter who stands there, we understand who he is, yes, but how would it be a historical value, that ’s a different question, those who don’t understand and don’t know the name of vladimir lenin ilyuch, and they don’t know the author, and the author, look, can i complement my colleague, i really want to complement, so look, it seems to me that one of the most important points that we must convey not only to young people, but to the entire population, then, that we owe our history we must learn to accept and accept any events, good or bad, i will explain the logic, how it is connected with november 7th, when i communicate with young guys on dialogue platforms, and we touch on the topic, for example, of the soviet union, it is definitely november 7th there, they immediately the moment of association works, that is, the revolution

, which means the soviet regime was established and hence the most negative moment for some reason... negative moments, but there was a lot of good, much more than bad, this is what i’m talking about accents for years focused the attention of the same youth, destructive forces on these terrible bloody events that took place , but they elevated it to the absolute, when it was from every iron, and then of course it seems to you that only this happened, there is an example good china, what do they do with their history? they accept the good bad moments, but most importantly, without mistakes there would not be the china that is today, why can’t we have such acceptance, maybe that’s how it is with us, it’s essentially what we have there is, but look here, i just look, for me it’s an understanding, if we had opened a churchill bar in minsk, it most likely would not have caused any resonance at all, a fashionable name for one of

the comrades who led great britain, and when you start reading the history, for example, of the same india, how many people have been drawn, there were, died in india, no one even gives up the opportunity, but if you call bar stalin, the hype will immediately begin, how many people died, when you say, let’s do it we still, to perceive in the paradigm of that time, as it was, churchill from stalin at that time, even if we say so logically, and how cynically, they were not different, but we, pardon the expression, perceive this history here, damn good. but i would like to add, kiril, that our young people are literate and smart, they understand everything, but our task is to explain to them the processes that happened to us in the twentieth year, technologies are being developed, one of the technologies is what i

say on the dialogue platform, it's no secret, here comes andrey lazutkin, this is... to destroy everything connected with the communist party, and the ideology of the communist party , nothing better has been invented in the world, i say right away, and through this they will attack the celebration of the october revolution, look, they are already doing this, turning it upside down , that our great victory, the day of unity, other significant events that took place in our country must be denigrated, so this is our task, i repeat, to reach every young person, are they screwed? well, please tell me, here’s how to prepare in general strictly speaking, political scientists so that they would bring out, right now , especially young political scientists who were no longer born in the soviet union, so that they would come and teach or talk about the soviet union about the great october revolution exactly as we say, yes, that is, so that this becomes the basis, relatively

speaking, of the ideology of our modern state, you know, i probably want to say with joy about our... youth, in general, with pride to say about our youth, specifically about future political scientists, they created a project with us, youth along the roads of history, which received a grant from the president of the republic of belarus in the field of youth policy, within the framework of this project they created a club of young analysts of belarus, these are very competent political scientists, political scientists who consider this history not only from the point of view of one country, but they say, as you say, there is a lot, a lot, a lot of information, but from this flow of information they choose the objective one... but how can they be made to be listened to? creating a club is good, gathering interesting people - you know, if the youth themselves creates a club, if the youth themselves go to the youth, then they listen to them, yes, in the beginning, you know , there is such a classical wisdom, teach three to work and thousands will work, classical soviet wisdom, yes, here i came, when i came, we have three, four, five people have gathered, now they are driving, walking, they are talking, they are talking

, this is good, look, the question is not about political science, but still somewhere in this area, when we talk about chagiwara, we are approximately we understand what he looks like because the portrait chagivars are such a marketing thing that is visible everywhere, they print it on t-shirts in i don’t know in circles, anywhere, there is such a history of chagivars, about lenin, unfortunately, it is impossible to say that, not about stalin, nor about lenin, when we, again, this could be western technology, but we understand that it works, this marketing, how to sell it beautifully, this could be a bad word, within the framework of our program, but how can we sell this ideology, look, when did the svo start, yeah, the guys who are fighting there without assessment svo, yes, they are coming with the soviet flag and it has become a trend, we don’t have a trend , thank god, we don’t have a war, thank god, but how can this be done, not

with the soviet flag, that’s right, that’s it specifically soviet symbols, which would become a trend, because well, there has been no soviet union since the ninety-first year, but their flag is more likely what they talked about above, yes, among young people, it’s much more fashionable to remember some kind of thing uh-huh, because that they lived in this for a long time, they were in this for a long time, now, in order to learn how to step by step again, they themselves must, let’s say, and i always tell them, okay, you are talking about history, come up with this history, your own emblem, your own symbolism, add history to it, add modernity to it, add to it culture, then you will get a new modern product with which you will go into further society, here andrey, tell me how to learn to work like this as a marketer, how you can sell these same ones. and i will say, it depends on what problem you are solving, that is, here our state symbolism , it is essentially soviet, we don’t need to come up with anything new, yes, it’s a little changed, but everyone understands perfectly well where the roots come from, everyone is already removing some

artificial structures that need to be invented there you know, invent something yourself, the second point is, for example , street protests, yes, that is, they did not come out under a white-red-white flag initially, it was a white flag and there were 3%, these are the numbers, and these were protests against violence there, not for poland, not for america. behind something else, then, when a small group there tried to direct everyone to the same reality, they started having problems, that is , the nationalists tried to lead such a fairly broad amorphous movement, and we kind of have to proceed from this, that is, we don’t have there was, you know, some kind of sick country, where every second person there was a nationalist, no, not even a fool, well, the lower classes can’t talk , they really don’t want to, we didn’t have that either, and there’s no point in breaking these people over the knee, something... then forcefully explain to them there, in russia has a different situation, that is, they launched this military operation, but the question is how it is, there is a rather strong right, that is , some say: we are restoring the soviet union, while others say the russian empire, and this is a contradiction, because the question is, what kind of national this new ukrainian state will have rights, how it is planned, how we will address these people, these are russians, ukrainians,

invented by the germans, what is this, how to evaluate it in general, and if you look at what the enemy is doing, they are also digging deep, that is, here what is happening today, the sea, they are forming new brigades, for example, today the ukrainian ones, under poroshenko the petliura brigades were formed, these are these names that were still in the second world war, and they are trying to insert them there, that is, they too for a specific task, they remember and already forgotten symbolism, you know, they are looking for some kind of roots, this is normal, in fact , that is, well, it’s a question of goal setting, that is, we need to explain something, that we are somehow special , unique, independent and can live without russia, yes, or we want to show that we had a common project, when we worked great, they helped us, and we helped, in general, we pulled it off after decades, this is something we should be proud of, you know. and when we try to teach someone there , well, we must always set a good example , look, you can work with russia like this and not fight with them, yes, cooperate, interact, carry out integration, look, the question is this, then we are when we say that the october

revolution is, well, essentially, one of those one of the days when after it we managed to create our own national state, the history of belarusian statehood is even included in textbooks, after all, we reach the polovsk principality, that’s how to correlate it historically. state, how does this correlate? here we are on november 7th, well, here’s what, what i did, here’s how to explain that this is an important november 7th, you know, i’m standing and thinking that i’ve expressed this more than once, and

my colleagues support me, for some reason we constantly make excuses , we should do the opposite, here is the holiday of november 7th, cool, but who cares for others, like us, we have a population of almost ten million; the russian federation within the framework of a union state is supported by many millions and they know what it is. we. it’s not that we make excuses and don’t compare, as with others in human psychology, it’s like i’ll now give the example of covid, when yes, when covid, when covid, all this corona psychosis, when it began, you remember, why there was bewilderment , yes, people say that we are not closing businesses, not stopping, not going into general quarantine, because they looked from side to side with their heads left and right, and well, the whole world was closed, but we weren’t, then the head of state, very patiently, as he could talk... about why we do this,

explaining popularly, what, why and why, exactly like that the same story with november 7, well, roughly speaking, we turn right, left, we understand that only we have state status, why, why is this holiday so valuable and so important for us, because in fact this is one of the dates in our historical paradigm of the history of the belarusian state,

now until november 7, 106 years ago 17. and also this moment, for example, you don’t have to be afraid that not everyone perceives it, for some it’s just a holiday, he’ll be in the family, he’ll see it on television, he’ll read it in telegram channels, and something will remain, they’ll discuss it, and the fact that, for example, not 100% of everyone, roughly speaking, there will be no deep understanding. today’s program is already an event in the history of belarusian statehood, because we are discussing this moment, we are telling, we are conveying that, for example, even someone will say that they don’t watch television, this is not true, this is kirillo vladimirovich, remember, on the dialogue platform, how clearly, so well, they dotted all the dots, well, alexey nikolaevich, i would also like to add, vladimirovich, vladimirovich, in the historical aspect he said this, but i want to say that something else

connected with october or the october revolution is, that it has generated social guarantees for the people, for society, which in our state, under the leadership of the head of state, are developing annually, you look, first of all, the budget for 24 is now being discussed, what are the priority areas, again, what interests people, even if someone is not interested, for example, or does not honor the october revolution, but when it comes to personal social guarantees, right there... but look, we have a multinational state, we have so many parties today, four parties, together with you, not only the communist party, but also white russia, and non-party people, they will also celebrate, this is the important basis of this one.

consolidation and there is no need to divide the communists, we don’t divide the bolsheviks, listen, no, nikolai yuryevich, well, how important is it, here you are listened to our entire discussion, but as a person who works with young people, as a person who actually teaches, he received such status as a teacher, yes, that is, well, naturally, yes, that is, how important is it in general, right, that’s what we’re talking about now we’re saying, maybe we’re not explaining things to our future in the right way? here we will become the same as we are, well, well, you know, captured by the historical memory - this is a chestnut, on which everything is grounded, and in the educational system of the capital and in our entire country, in this way irunku shmat therefore, here we can make a lot of progress and extensive measures , which is how they are otherwise designed to capture historical memory in other areas, for example, in the leninsky

region it became it's right, the stockholm festival , museum pedagogy, skin teachers , belarusian language, russian language, any nepaynik dimam zhnymimi moga propanavasi kindly, prabachts, kali laska, and eight kali viscises of plants, well, holy kastrychnitskai ravalyutsi, sto patrebna ranyalumachvas, kab of yana zinoles. understood, well, for torture, nasamrech, at the present stage, current students, they already have certain senses... there may be some moments and not dullness, they have their own reasonable, their own panic, that’s why our such history we want it , we are adamant, peace, peace, dabrazychlіvastsya, the old adzin and the other, and

you know, for example, tomorrow we and our students will be busy with the yuletide activities, i know your students, who is uladzimir lenin, of course, of course, i'll tell you more, just now stage, for example, at various competitions and republican ones, in this regard, navat and technical intelligence, and from this idea for belarus, the scale of the project, students from all over the country are being presented in both tematyku. i’ll tell you about your student, who is now working at the minsk news agency, here he is, that means kiril kolechets, that means his nickname in his telegram channel is: ulyanov 1870, yes, when i saw this, i’m just asking, i say, here but how, why exactly lenin, he says, well, because this is really a man

who brought a lot to history there, and but there are a lot of these guys, or, well, just so we understand, because they come, but they are in a specific profession. comes, in general, there are a lot of such guys, a lot, and even the same ring , kirila, the same slava sabansky, i can name a lot of them, well, i can name them, because i want to name everyone, and i can be proud of everyone, yes, that is, this not only political scientists, this is the faculty of accounting and economics, this is the faculty of management, this is the faculty of marketing, this is the faculty, but they come who understand, they come who understand, they come who understand and go to further, to teach this understanding to others, evgeni, but wait, and which ones, you know, very often they ask me by the way , for igor aleksandrovich morzalyuk to come to us, because they are based on a new program, we have it built on the basis of his

textbook, please come , they say that we draw attention to the fact that the revolution of 1917 was a condition for the implementation of the idea of ​​belarusian sovereignty, the idea, well, this is , in fact, our main task, we are talking about this, in fact, this is the key role of october in the history of the belarusian state, the october revolution was inevitable, since the provisional government could not solve current problems, land, national, economic, okay, let me rebel, eugene, so you tell me , then look, again, i live like all normal people in tiktok, although at my age it’s probably bad to live in tiktok, but that’s it... for work and i watch a lot of small historical videos there that are made by young people, who, in fact, talk about russian history, and this is not the case in belarusian history, i understand that dialogue platforms are important, but tiktok is really just in the hands of so many people, maybe we can somehow

direct our thoughts there, maybe this is this space, the internet yes , maybe we should talk about the flag there, talk about the revolution, talk about lenin , this, somehow explain who lenin is, who stalin is, why our country honors november 7th, maybe go there? the idea is really interesting, as you reminded, or rather suggested this idea, i remembered that recently in russia a series of such short stories were created, where they talked about the regions of russia, famous people, the russian federation, that is, this is a really interesting format, just unique, about such characters as lenin, stalin, this is really, really first of all, it wasn’t all that long ago. if we say so, a unique personality who just so happens to be that not only did other

countries criticize this state figure from the outside, as they say, stalin is an ambiguous character, kiril, i want you to read tik-tok, i want to recommend that you telegram channels of the communist party, i also think they are, we are also engaged in this education, using what exists, i say again, i would like young people to come and read, listen , can i just make a remark for a second about lenin, stalin and churchill ? it seems to me that there really is a rational grain in the fact that churchill was still widely known about him, a historical character, according to whom. we can judge there very much remotely, the same stalin, yes, our

grandparents remember those times in 1939, united eastern and western belarus, at least. people, but people then focused attention , it was not on the unification of belarus, on other things, this took root, today i called gymnasium number one in the city of dyatlov, elena vikkentsevna, teacher radomskaya, and we are discussing. in principle, schoolchildren are fine with facts, but here’s one point that they paid attention to, people don’t know, impersonal history, butchers, worms, zhilunovich, karsky, by the way, just a name street in the center of minsk, but what you know, i ’ll say, for example, you know. do you know where the belarusian soviet socialist republic was created on january 1

, 1919, in which city? in smolensk, it’s just no, it’s just that i’m like here with the facts , maybe it’s normal, yes, but i’m just saying that we ’ve been pumped up for some time, you know, we did a program about cognitive wars, we really pumped up that our history is shameful, and you are telling the truth that many, why should we, when we are several years ago on... on the occasion, when even before the twentieth before the event we met somewhere, and i said, here is evgeny panasenkov, remember how he shows millions of views, hitler stalin, hitler stalin, and everyone, and what ’s bad with us then it’s good, again in relation to for example, if you read wikipedia , everything is bad there news feed without bad journalists, sorry i don’t always go , this is understandable, we know this, but still, you still have to not be shy about the positive and drop by drop show, popularize... propagate and not be shy about

symbolism, no symbols, no events. andrey, look, you have your own project, an entertaining political science, where you are also very detailed, very, as i always say, the most, most sarcastic political scientist in our country, andrey lazutkin, in some way, yes, but you always bring out the positive , maybe we really don’t have enough, well, again, here we stand, however, we seem to be explaining, lenin and stalin are ambiguous characters, i, as a historian, can argue as much as i can here, but still, this is an opinion, how to change your mind and how to convince, again, this is the same marketing story, how to sell a chigiwara and how to sell lenin, well, i’ll answer you as a practitioner, it means that we live with russia in the same cultural field, some people like it, they don’t like it, but this so, our volume is belarusian, small, objectively, our volume is larger, russian, all these trends that exist there, both good and bad, they all flow here, our youth, well, let’s say, there is a politicized group there, 20 percent 25, she's very interested in politics anyone then looks at russian resources, what will she see there, well, depending on your luck, something is just good, something bad, someone

looks at sobchak, yes, someone i don’t know, puchkova is more of such a left-wing blogger, that is, it’s possible to find something for every taste, these disputes that we are retelling today are the disputes that are going on today in the russian federation, when they decide on their own history, like the chinese, this is bad, this is good, well then we will be able to fit some version of them, i don’t know, this general one picture, while this is not there while svo is still going on while all this is of course difficult to argue about what was good, what was bad, if we take, again, the nineties, yes, well, again, we lived in this cultural field , then everything that was directed then against russia, against russian history, like you should hate yourself, your ancestors, your soldiers who fought, they were all criminals, stalin was a criminal, the war was a criminal way, partisans killed people, and the germans sometimes they saved us, they explained to the outskirts of our republics that you have a thousand-year history, you are so ancient and well done, so the russians really want to dissociate themselves from everyone, leave everywhere and sit and repent and pay money there to the west as reparations, that is, this

is the russian version liberal history, today they are migrating back to us for export , it turns out that we have to refute it, as it were, with belarusian forces , but of course we try to do this, but it turns out that then there’s no point in talking about it at all, it’s worth it, it’s worth it, you know, ours of course no one for work will not make us, but this is work specifically in belarus , influencing the russian cultural field is, of course, very difficult, we may have one version, in russia there will be another, in the end i may be you too, can you correct me, look, we are because the fact that we have the seventh of november is our belarusian holiday, it’s really belarusian, it’s no longer russian, it’s not soviet, it’s our belarusian holiday, from the point of view of me, at least okay, this is my opinion as a historian, as a journalist that lenin and stalin, with all of them there, for example, are some kind of assessment in russia and in the west, for belarus, for belarus of the creators of the state, for belarus, at least for belarus. we can create this story , as andrei says, it wanders from russia to here, we can

create our own, here we have our own holiday, we have our own heroes, because madun is also a rather ambiguous person. with my russian colleague, well, different for example, there are assessments or names, we came to the conclusion, there is a fact, october 25 according to the old style, november 7, the fact is the october revolution, you can call it differently, maybe after some time in the russian federation they will call it differently, but for us this is our history, by the way, the facts are in textbooks today, for example, in schools. now, in principle, everyone has access to facts, the teacher’s task is precisely this knowledge, and in the russian federation, too, our colleagues come to the idea of ​​​​creating unified

textbooks at an event from the forum of the union state, common history, common fate, recently took place then such that you are doing today, this is very important, the second, let’s say, was created by our party officially, the only party out of four has created a youth wing, it is in no way in opposition to the brsm, it is a league of communist youth, well, as andrei lazutkin said, these are people, young people who are interested in politics, diplomacy, which means we teach them, they respectively perform at other venues with their peers, plus

we conduct fairly large-scale international activities, where our youth share historical facts from our homeland with their peers abroad, this too one of the elements, the communist movement in europe is still popular , and allow me to take a couple of seconds, it is also symbolic that today the program is dedicated to the celebration of november 7, the day of the great october, i want to congratulate and i know that kirill and alena have no anniversary medals, we the party released for the centenary of the great october socialism. so this is, well, here by the way, here by the way, three symbols, krester aurora, stalin and lenin, whatever one may say, for us these are really, well, to

a certain extent, things that are modern state that we have, no matter what igor aleksandrovich accuses me of... these are his words in the next program, when he comes there is no question about this, you just know, it seems to me that through certain facts, andrey, you well said this phrase that 20-25% of young people there are those who are interested in politics, because i have a favorite phrase from our sociologists who say that up to 30% of this creative class, which interested in politics, economics, should to be in society, because a little more - this is already an unstable society with too many ideas, which is why i understand that, in principle

, we have a sufficient number of people, young people, who are really ready to, well, promote these ideas as well . evgeny, well, as a matter of fact, i say again, don’t be offended by me for lenin and stalin, this is my point of view, statements. but i say correctly, and andrei correctly says that we have, relatively speaking , a third of guys there who, well, who can call them young people who can really in the future determine the ideology of our country, no matter how pretentious it may sound, but we live, you decide, you will come after us, you will determine what holidays, what monuments? yes. everything is true, indeed, in the future, and these fords will be passed on to the youth, and we will promote ideologies based on the experience of previous years, therefore, including the rich experience of both the communist party and communist ideology, because even our ideologies, the president always emphasizes this , which are being promoted in belarus, those social benefits and so on, all this was transferred thanks to the communist state, the soviet union, so we will build our

ideology based on the past, you will, because you were raised that way, you were taught that way. but there is also a layer of other young people, yes, who have different values ​​and understandings , who are not among those who are interested, but who do not binge on historical videos on tiktok, but they should, at a subcutaneous level , perceive our symbols, our holidays, as family, just because it's ours, that's it our flag, our coat of arms, our holiday, that’s it, there are no questions , it’s belarusian, you come back again and again, we return to the topic of how to sell, package, how to sell, package, we’re just talking in modern terms, but still , tell me, how to sell at school? this same lenin, for example, this holiday, how to sell, how to sell, you will forgive me for this word sell, well, as if i understood,

for the worse, for the worse, for the worse, geta so, dzetsi, well, not like that, natural pavyarnulisya yes learned and acquired, eight you seem to be right, coat of arms, right hand, right national symbols, today, well, shtodzen, every day, we are right... we are talking about the end of these tortures, their heta tsikavits, we, on the contrary, have 8 years of fall from the past. tsa chverts, pachynats we i will be from the fact that we will sing the anthem, and we will all sleep, i am not ashamed for this, this is the same, and all of you asked torturedly, as i know , lenin’s dzetsi, yany navat tsututs, of course, yany don’t tsututsya her i'm there, well well, that's the job, well, well, we're getting rich with this and we

know, and with the pavaga you know, there is the number of journalists who are usually called extremists, who very carefully monitor our program, well, they just constantly introduce it into context, so they always have a question, for example, they talked about how to make november 7th a national a holiday, yes, because we want it to become a national holiday. if it doesn’t arise for us, and it seems to me that it is already popular, if we don’t have the idea to abandon it there, and the question doesn’t arise, we rather have a question, again, you can criticize me, but why isn’t it there, at the state level, for example, among our neighbors, but the question does not arise why it is fixed at the state level in our country, here is another point for our respected historians, we very often ask for it.. in the context of such programs, we touch on what the same children can ask about, rather at the stage of study, yes, why, again

, we elevated this particular historical date to the rank of, well , the highest public holiday, here are others on which our opponents are speculating , for some reason they are forgotten and crossed out, this is precisely why it is important that there is already an opportunity to delve deeper into studying the issue, alena i will continue just many... experts say that why don’t we still make january 1 a public holiday , because the bssr was created, it’s clear that it’s a new year, there are many different stories, but they still talk about it, because the day of the creation of the bssr, well , it’s also essentially one step towards creating the republic of belarus, the one that exists, well, it’s the same if somewhere there’s some compare statistics with other countries, we have fewer public holidays, and regarding january 1, maybe, of course , here you clearly said, new year, yes, there seem to be other things, look, we, if we

go back to the day national unity on september 17, we were also told how many times, no need, september 17, why, as this is one of the public holidays, which is at the level of may 9, july 3, independence day, and the day of the october revolution, it is traditions, they were always, first, first holiday, alexey nikolaevich, remember, from history, he was already celebrated in 1818, the first, in the eighteenth year, and then every year, during the great patriotic war, the same thing was remembered, parades in moscow were celebrated on november 7th, i’m very i like it, now at the end of the program, i really like the approach of our alexander grigorievich, in the context of what he says is necessary. act like a businessman, he says this very often from the point of view of the economy there, from the point of view of the work of industrial

enterprises there, it seems to me that such a businesslike approach could be in the humanitarian sphere, in the ideological sphere, because it really was , we lived for many years just like this, to take and refuse to throw something away, but the objects were always handed over, built by november 7, the president talks about this and he says, it’s always easier, well, we could have looked, in general , we went along that path, we could have seen how much this would be experienced there in the young state, how much society would perceive it, and as we see, time has shown that the holiday itself adapted, yes the format precisely his celebration, because no one forces anyone to go to these demonstrations, but everyone, at the command of his heart , does what he considers necessary on this day, so it turns out that these are historical events, traditions that have already taken root in the subcortex of our belarusian consciousness, mm, are taking on the forms that we now really need in this historical period, and

then... something may or may not change, well, look, the president very often says that november 7 is a holiday justice, well, in fact, it took place because people fought for justice, because they wanted equal conditions there, it came and we, as it were, also celebrated justice, and as for sales, you know, and once we conducted such a marketing research and most importantly, the most successful trademark in the whole world, i’ll come up with... as these experts say, the sickle was young and everyone knows,

the hammer and sickle are always sold everywhere , lack of discipline is a failure, failure is a war, it all starts with the economy, the same the same applies to international politics, for some it may seem strange that while the whole world is in the fires of military conflicts, the president is talking not about war, but about the economy, but he does this precisely in order to stop the war, with regards to exports, what lukashenko personally did in recent years , that is, after sanctions, agreed with putin that part of the production for products critically needed by russia would be organized in belarus, moreover, russia would finance this, and the goods produced would be guaranteed to be bought at high price. alexander grigorievich encourages you to learn from the mistakes of others, and not to make your own mistakes. and the future of the countries in our unions, and therefore the future of belarus, depends on how well our partners hear him. propaganda project, watch on the

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