[000:00:00;00] construction, the process is very exciting, like all politics, so as the president said, it will be very interesting, although i would like it to become boring, at least for a short time, and we take a breath, but this is hardly to be expected in the coming years, is it what makes me happy is that alexander grigorievich launches even such extremely important processes with a smile and friendly jokes towards the meeting participants. it’s better to sit, it’s more comfortable for you, just turn the microphone towards you so that we can record everything. you say, just in case, i’ll repeat my comment from telegram channel main. tour, well, how can one live without these jokes? my name is

igor tur, this was my propaganda. cultural heritage, patriotism, historical memory. in what direction are masters of different genres and forms looking today? let's go to the national center for contemporary arts and learn about the trends of the national award in the field of fine arts 2023. watch in

the weekend cultural fashion program on the belarus 244 tv channel . a journey through the blue-eyed region through the eyes of a foreigner kaliaska, kaliaska, they just jumped on me and they said that people weren’t afraid, i’m like that, but everything was cool. they are very beautiful, a graduate student from ecuador actually learns in practice what work is in belarusian, oh my back is already hurting, i’m already oh, you’ve walked just a little bit here, i’m certainly not used to this work, i hope that i’m not upset together, oh, i already felt something and got to know the local folklore and your clothes better, i’ve never seen anything like this,

very beautiful, huh? it’s like greenery, foliage, birch trees, yes, and white ones are like birch trunks, that is, we have clothes for an hour, we went to chipa viasnoy wilderness, look, travel project white dew to

belarus 24. hello, welcome to everyone who is with us now, a very rich conversation, today we have an excellent studio lineup, we are waiting for the inclusion of russian intelligence officer andrei bezrukov from moscow. in general, there is a desire to understand the events, we are on our way to a fire in the middle east and here is evidence that we are discussing in this studio not something distant that does not directly concern us, a special belabiya flight helped those who return from israel to minsk who will not forget these for a long time

few weeks. 17 citizens of belarus. minsk received permission to operate this flight a long time ago, but western sanctions against bilal prevented it from being carried out. diplomats and missions have not yet worked on resolving this issue... almost 500 belarusians turned to the embassy for help, looking for an opportunity to return to their homeland, while the israeli authorities gave minsk permission for one humanitarian flight, but the parties are actively continuing evacuation sentences, well now first emotions, we live in the city of ashkilon, this city is located 20 km from aza, in day, in the first days we received 500 shells every day. a shell hit the house next to us, bombed the store, we spent 30 days under bombing, we really wanted to return home, just a big thank you, yes, to the government

of the republic of belarus, and personally, lukashenko, the president, lukashenko alexander gurovich, however, for representing re, something, well, they helped us out, we’ll visit our native land for about a month and a half, as it turns out. we’ll fly back to israel, because our children are there, our grandchildren are there, our account was unblocked representative office to pay expenses at bengurion airport, we previously looked at the execution time, when there were fewer risks - they really were when we landed at bangurion airport. before that we saw a fighter in the sixteenth israeli air force, but most importantly everything was fine , and the flight was prepared, the crew

was reinforced, everyone coped, and so a month has passed since the beginning of this acute phase, the most acute phase in the entire history of the conflict, at least , now we see from the number of victims that this particular formation is most consistent in reality, what is this... nikolai evgenievich showed us for a month, what is the main thing we understood about this situation? this month has shown that, again, the world is changing, the environment is changing, people’s consciousness and awareness of themselves in this world is changing. literally 2 months ago, most analysts said that a small local war could break out, of the usual type, a week, two and the end. now we see that the reality is completely different, today the mechanisms that for many years made it possible to level out

the problem in this region, including allow the large-scale use of military force, they worked, in the modern world this does not happen, even the leading states of the world, which are the united states, the russian federation, china, are ultimately capable of influencing the processes that take place in such a small, sufficiently studied region, but this not an objective process, what happened was an artificial outbreak, probably only time will tell how it really happened, but in my opinion it was still heading towards this, because the statements of the parties, they were defined in including anti-semitic sentiments, in general... in addition, the constant expansion of israel in this region and its formation, the failure of the leading states of the world to fulfill their obligations , including the creation of palestine,

ultimately led to this result, because the islamic world, it is patient, there are certain traditions, but this is big, but still we must fulfill ours. more than one generation has already grown up since the decision was made to create a palestinian state, it has not been created, the question is why? this question, including with the constant support of the united states for israel, hushing up any, say, violations , striking at syria, at egypt, at neighboring states, at jordan, at any states, that is, israel can do everything, neighbors, they must, firstly, be supported by all possible positions, not go beyond. decisions, that is, it turns out, again, not just

double, but triple standards, and these international standards at the right time may not be used, or may be used in in this situation, when the united states has weakened, when ties between people and counterbalances have been practically destroyed, this internal conflict is used to solve their own problems, the current phase of netanyahu rejects all us proposals for a ceasefire, this was reported. investigative journalist seimer hersh, citing his sources, as usual , and we know that his sources are quite reliable, we are seeing massive attacks on hospitals, the gas sector is blocked, divided into north and south, there is no internet, mobile communications, that's what's next , that's what step can be next in that case? from israel’s point of view, the next step is the introduction of troops finally into palestinian territory and , meaning the palestinian enclave, the destruction of... gas as such, from the point of view of independence, this

option is possible, but in general israel is not solving this problem, it solves the problem of ensuring its own, so to speak, status quo in this region, today this task is being solved for it, and the weakening of its opponents, but in my opinion, today israel is not even the main player in this big process, there is a more important player, the states of america, which are about to have elections, this is literally by their standards, this is already an election process, and everything is falling apart everywhere, ukraine, the card has been played, nothing has worked out, and they are unable to solve their problems succeeded, they realized that they will not be able to butt heads with russia on this in this region, russia will still bring everything to its logical conclusion, plus there is a rejection of the dollar throughout the world, that is , it turns out that the economy of the country, yes, they

managed today practically bring down europe they are dragging certain production areas into their own territories, they have created quite favorable conditions, but this does not allow them to fully revive the united states as a world hegemon, because the main task is this, they have already played this card twice, the first world war, the second world war, they have become everywhere and - not only were they recreated, they solved all their problems. today is attempt number three, and all available forces are involved in this, we’ll talk about this later, georgy petrovich, how do you look at this, you know, it’s hard for me to disagree with nikolai evgenevich in the sense that the assessment he gives is objective, but the question is, look, this conflict has a long history, a millennium, one might say, but when in forty-seven the decision was made to create two states, israel and palestine, for some reason... was created as a state, they began to support

it, it became atomic, it became nuclear, it had armed forces, and reached the world level, money, but palestine was never able to do this, but it no help was provided in principle, and i am convinced that in in the arab world, the attitude towards this phenomenon, it will persist for a long time, and the conflict , that’s what is happening now, it will not stop, that is , the conflict will not stop, the conflict will stop, but enmity will remain, enmity will remain, and the conflict, you know how he, well, everything that begins, ends someday, this conflict , sooner or later it will end, this enmity, it will persist, and so on, and there may be new conflicts, the formation of petrovich, the palestinian state, which many people are talking about leaders today say this is the message comes from belarus, he is capable of, say, stopping this situation , of course, of course, and an absolutely correct proposal

is being made that we return to that... palestine, this people will have statehood, what kind of relations will develop, time will tell there, but this is one one of those objective messages that can really lead to the start of peace negotiations and so on, i am absolutely right, nikolai evgenievich, when he says that the international situation, look, someone is considered solon today, maybe by decision of the council security is where all this begins, maybe... other international structures are working and so on, the world is at a breaking point, in this version it will certainly not exist, in this regard it is very important to find that option today. which would suit those states that exist today on the globe, but for now, and for now the situation is this, ex-prime minister of israel ihut barakak, let's listen, israel has only a few weeks - he says - to complete the operation in gas sector and not spoil relations with the west. public opinion, especially in the united states, regarding

israeli strikes on the enclave is rapidly changing. and here on the surface there are two conclusions at once. first, of course, he is right, because on the eve of... elections in the united states, everyone will pay attention to public opinion, it is changing rapidly, and secondly, we understand that in modern wars, when we hear about that we need to hurry up, this suggests that you are military people, correct me if i ’m wrong, this hints that there will be even more casualties among the civilian population, because that fuss will begin, incorrect attacks will begin, when the targets will not be selective, but will simply be poured there, and then we will justify why they were sent to these places, what do you see in these? in the words of the former prime minister of israel. you know, i will immediately say that the person thinks deeply and clearly understands the events taking place. please note that over the past 3 weeks, diametrically opposed opinions have appeared in the media, if initially the entire

west, even the russian country, well, in general, that is, the west and east supported israel, but in fact, it was so, because there was an attack on its territory, there were a large number of casualties, and people, normal people, clearly understood that this had to be stopped, and the first phrase was: stop, find common ground as quickly as possible, and so on and so forth there was sympathy for israel, there was corresponding, so to speak, support , political, economic, well, all types of support, but after that, what israel did, it launched a large-scale operation in the gas area, already the number of victims... as the russians correctly say, is disproportionate what is happening, and most importantly, because the strikes are not carried out on a military target , you can call it what you want, but when a hospital is blown up, it completely collapses and there under the ambulance columns, yes, the ambulance columns destroy children, and there are already more children 3,000 who died there, and these are not

the last figures, but the total number of dead is already more than 10,000 and goes further, and 70% are women and children? and the question: who are you fighting with, dear israel, you are a country that survived genocide, you are survivors of the holocaust, about which say at every crossroads, so to speak, yes, it happened, but today you are doing the same thing on the territory of palestine, a country that, in general, wants nothing, it asks for independence and fights for this independence, and the worst thing is friend, that people see that... the country that is israel , which has been supported all these years, which has been promoted on all possible platforms in the world, is today engaged in the destruction of the population of the gas strip, using the most modern weapons provided by the united states, which she herself produces and speaks

verbatim, we will not stop this until we solve our problems, the question is: what will happen next? it’s very alarming, by the way, these are the reservations, i would like to give this example, the israeli minister for jerusalem affairs iliyahu said that dropping an atomic bomb on the gas sector is one of the possibilities for the development of the conflict. these statements were almost immediately condemned by the authorities and israeli politicians, and elyahu later tried to refute his own words and wrote on social networks that any sane person it’s clear that the remark about the atomic bomb was metaphorical, a so-so metaphor, don’t you agree? it is reported that this minister ilyahu, who proposed dropping the gas sector and the nuclear bomb, was removed from participation in the cabinet meetings, but the topic now lives its own life. another quote: israeli bombings in the gas sector have the equivalent power of two nuclear bombs. the ex-minister

of national economy of palestine, basem huri, stated this on arti's airwaves. at the same time, he believes that the nuclear attack itself tel aviv will not work. radiation may be affected. and the israeli districts, this is such a tense situation, the situation is complicated, and as for this statement , netanyahu literally immediately stopped him, banned him and now does not allow him to attend government meetings, the authors of these words, but the question is this, what is nuclear war , there will be no peace on earth, why look at how many atomic... there are places to be and the fact that most countries have uranus and so on, this will lead to the fact that humanity is with this.

hence, no matter what bad thoughts some people have were not in their heads, they will be stopped by the natural desire to save their own lives, this is the struggle going on today, so the statements of some politicians who are interested, among other things, in making a profit, excuse me, in every war some people make money, ordinary people always pay with blood, they not really. ordinary humanity, this is global society, it cannot continue to live like this, well , let’s remember history again, look, on the eve of the first world war, 59 states, on the eve of the second world war about 76, about 80, and now there are more than 200 of them, recognized, unrecognized and so on , tell me, what peoples today have the right to a state, but do not, the same palestinians, the same kurds, the same gypsies and so on, and there are many more such peoples.

all this will come to the point that a new world order is needed, where either the un works with its structures, or it is simple, i mean literally, it’s just important not to lose this topic, it is very consistent with what this political one lives today, maybe even be a philosophical narrative of arabic world, so i propose to listen to the opinion that is heard in the arab world, here we read the columnist of the iraqi newspaper south al-iraq, mohammed saber. this is what he writes: russia and china will defeat the united states and form a new world order. according to him, the two strongest powers intend to draw a new map of the world, beijing and moscow themselves distribute roles between the players, washington cannot resist this, the united states is weakening before our eyes and is no longer able to maintain its leader status. there are several reasons, he writes, and wrong actions president joe biden on the international stage, declining support at home. america remains only. pray, this is an opinion from iraq, where let me remind you, the americans brought democracy, it is clear here that you need

to be very, careful in addressing such quotes, but it is not isolated, that is, it shows an indicator of such a mood in the arab world, what do you think, nikolai, you know, i agree with this analyst, but he is extremely radical in terms of the result, this is what he... broadcast, this is an idea, a fix, let's call it that, a goal, in general, that the arab world adheres to, probably, probably, today it is already formulated in the minds of a certain elite of the arab world, this one is a columnist, he splashes it out on the pages of the newspaper, on the internet, but it sinks into the thought, this a thought enters the brain, it develops, as you say, lives separately, was this possible 30

years ago, uh-huh, probably not, that is, the reality is that this is the result, this is the summary, this is what is happening in the world, reality, and today it is clearly said that there is china as a center of power that does not want to perceive a certain world, there is russia as a center of power, but you will note that there is not a single word about europe, which is not on the political map of this observer, and the united states is considered as a country or an empire that is collapsing, in principle, if you analyze all the processes that are taking place in the world today, this is the case, but i would like this empire, collapsing under its rubble, not swallowed up half the world at least, and maybe even, but unfortunately, washington today does not fully understand what this can

lead to, or rather, maybe i said it wrong, it understands what this can lead to, but how to get out of this situation while maintaining its status quo, he doesn’t understand, here the most terrible decisions can be made, perhaps often ill-considered, but you need to understand the following, he is not washington, the united states, as a center of power, is not completely capable of controlling the processes that are taking place, including on in the middle east, today, he cannot say, stand - the same israel, no matter what it does, you just talked about it, that is, israel is playing its game, the arab world has already realized that this center of power is moving and today everything they are waiting or striving for something new

to be created on the basis of what exists , how events will develop, this is a terrible statement, again i want to use a nuclear bomb in the gas sector, because, look, there are tectonic faults there, large quantities, fossils, gas, oil, and so on further, if an atomic bomb is exploded there, it is unknown how it will all end, and what will remain of that israel and that region as a whole, so again we are talking about the fact that israel, but it has nuclear weapons, and god forbid he will use it, and if other countries, arab countries, take it and also... use such force, what will this lead to? do we need this? absolutely, yes georgivich. you know that the arab world is not alone in the world. there is africa, there is the middle east, there are slavs, there is the same europe, i don’t mean that western one, which today is in satellites of this so-called hegemon. and

therefore people who, excuse me, always, at all times. dreamed of being free, respected, to be taken into account, and so on, they no longer want to live like this, and you see what is happening even in the middle east, in african countries, in latin america, and so on, the nogemon cannot retreat , what he managed to do, excuse me , will come to him, and the fact that there will be upcoming elections, we’ll see how voters in the same united states will react states, and how will the united states itself continue to develop? who appeared out of the blue, bringing there and so on, destroying about 30 million indians, how will all this end, the memory of the people has been preserved for centuries, this must be understood when this or that politician makes a decision, of course, he is advised, of course, he everything suggests, but he must understand that everything is good or evil, it

comes back, especially evil, with double energy, and answer, the most opportune moment to move on to the ukrainian topic, because it is very many say, primarily in ukraine itself, that the fire in the middle east distracts attention from what is happening on the ukrainian front, and we see what contradictions within, well, let’s call it the ukrainian establishment, are happening right now, this current situation reveals in geopolitics, a window of opportunity for the revival of a peaceful... negotiation track, well, to some extent, yes, but we will not discuss the fact that ukraine itself put itself in this situation, but we will not discuss the fact that people are already tired of the war in ukraine itself, the main the masses are the majority, and the fact that the ukrainian elite, the so-called elite , does not want to understand this or does not want to understand this is another

question, but what is happening in the middle east is one indicator of how they begin, use it, and then simply they simply throw it out, that’s why i started talking about the peaceful track, because in ukraine itself they’re already talking about it, there’s a character like aristovich, who has already announced his presidential ambitions, that’s what he’s talking about, let’s listen, neither russia can seriously seize large pieces of our territory, neither we can recapture at the moment, then a stationary front, endless and senseless killing of each other without attempts to achieve any important results, neither the russian people nor the ukrainian need this, the people are beginning to understand this very well, i think we need to start making peace, enter into peace negotiations, stabilize, very ukrainian, he says, yes, yes, but about the arresting person, of course, we can go through a lot, a lot, tell a lot, but it’s not him who is important, the position of one of them is important

representatives or heralds of the ukrainian elite. the word negotiations appeared, the word put up appeared, but the main thing was said at the very beginning, we are not able to recapture our own territory there, and russia cannot move forward, this is not quite the right message, well , he is running for president, he cannot say how there is, in fact, here you are, you answered immediately why it was said so, because the presidential race has begun, comrade zelsky, the president... of the war, in all likelihood, he will not be forgiven for those mistakes, for what he did during this time, but god bless him, this is not the most important thing, the main thing is something else , yes, there has been talk about peace, but the question is, does russia need peace in such conditions in russia, on these conditions, here we must ask the other side , and those tasks that russia

declared, they have not yet been completed in full, literally the day before yesterday again... shelling of donetsk, gorlovka and other regional regions, and then the following happens and russia even requested a un meeting on this issue of the security council. why? because people are dying, it's not pay attention, yes, everyone is already looking at the middle east at israel and palestine, but here people are not dying in smaller numbers, but if you count how many, when about 300-400-500 people die a day, this is comparable, for week, these are the same, or even more losses, than in the area of ​​palestine and gaza, so the question immediately arises, what kind of peace are we talking about, on what conditions, what should happen in the end, and whether that same situation arises again the most stalemate situation,

when let's arrange it like this now happened in nagorno-karabakh, and we will return to the war a little later, today we cannot allow any issues to be unfinished, we cannot allow a second transnistria , but it’s time to talk about peace, but we need to work it out, but for now there is fascism and nazism and a constant threat to the russian state, and excuse me , including the belarusian state, because there is a group on our southern border , they threaten us at any moment, all ties are cut, let’s probably first complete certain nuances and deal with the conditions on which it is necessary, briefly, about fascism, we gave a lot of examples, it seems to me that on the ukrainian side no one is even trying to refute this, but let’s say from the current one, here ’s a short, literal example, a photograph of halloween in ukraine, ukrainian children dress up,

look, in general, here are the comments , unnecessary, zelensky, just recently seemed to agree that it was necessary to hold presidential elections, guests from washington put the pressure on him, senator graham and his colleagues came there, the day before he suddenly said that it should be canceled and canceled. let's listen to him, we must understand that now is the time of defense, the time of battle on which the fate of the state of the people depends, and not the time of manipulation that russia hopes for from ukraine, i believe that now is not the right time for elections, you know, there is only an expression, he was the master my word, i gave my word, i took my word back, literally ... in the previous block i said that zelsky is the president of the war, and he clearly understands this, he is not a completely stupid person, he clearly understands that if elections are held, he

will be written off as such, and the longer it lasts war, the longer he will be in power, the more time he will have time to solve financial problems, which , after all, according to the current legislation, while the martial law regime is in progress, it continues in ukraine, elections... will not take place, but he will continue to fulfill his powers, for as long as this martial law lasts, we still need to implement the goal that was set back in february last year, starting this special military operation, we need to remove this by convention, he doesn’t need ukraine at all, and even more so those ukrainians, who are indigenous, as he calls them, and the territories they have already lost, let them forget, russia is already

the people who should clean up, that’s why? believe less in these babbles, then the people themselves will decide who will govern ukraine from the point of view of the interests of the ukrainian people, the people who live on this territory, just like the belarusians did when they elected ours, now, but how plausible is this, in the very an uprising against zelsky is predicted for ukraine, here is a blog on youtube, ex-adviser to the former ukrainian president leonid kuchma, oleg soskkin said that ukrainians may rebel against the current president vladimir zelensky, due to his inability to effectively govern the country, according to soskin, zelensky has not fulfilled any of his pre-elected promises, he also called on the president to restore civil rights to begin negotiations on ceasefire, that's all we 're talking about now. with you, soskkin concluded, in this speech, that the country is under the control of a stationary gang, which, under the guise of fulfilling western requirements for entry

into the european union and nato, in fact , is causing damage to ukraine, that’s almost what you said, since it will be like this, why, because he rules ukraine, of course not, this gang that he leads, they decided to on this issue, from ukrainian blood he can earn a certain income. how much is his profit and wealth today, where did this kvn guy come from, where? the fact is that it is the people, the population of the country. it’s not just like that, the assassination attempt on tsarev, oleg, was committed, it’s not just like that, he’s closing the media information is prohibited by a certain internet channel and so on, where there is information that there may be an uprising, but it is necessary, who will organize it in whose interests it will be organized, if it is aristovich again for his own sake, then the ukrainian people will disappear again, it’s not the same a figure who can organize something

will appear there soon. but as soon as the people's leader, the people's leader of ukraine, comes, then the question will be resolved, do you think it already exists, somewhere in the bowels of the ukrainian, somewhere in the bowels there is, why, because this is negative attitude towards what happened, huge losses, human losses and so on, but from abroad , who fled who has, of course, they will be different, but the indigenous people who stayed here know what war is, what destruction, what is need? yes, what is malnutrition and so on, they will never forgive him for this, within this people one of those leaders will appear who can organize work in the interest, a few months ago we already said that such a leader will eventually appear, and i'm almost sure that he already exists, and maybe not even the only one, who is capable of solving problems in the interests of the ukrainian people, just like that, but you will pay attention to a lot of information, especially... in internet resources

related to the statements of the military, which are on the front line, who are actually waging war and opposing the troops of the russian federation, but even they say that they are being given that the state is being mismanaged, that money is being made on their blood, and this, in various interpretations, comes from level of commander, there is battalion , from the level of ordinary... soldiers, but the last thing, let’s say, there is a conversation about a skirmish between the president and zaluzhny, because zaluzhny , no matter what we say, an adequate military man who has a good education understands what is happening all around, and he clearly conveys to his commander, i say, the commander-in-chief, that with these forces and these resources i

am not able to solve the assigned tasks in full. and what does he get in response? and in return he receives nothing but promises that you are holding on, and you are not up to in the end, you are doing yours correctly, now we have moved on, now we have started to remove the immediate surroundings, in addition to the fact that they are removing the immediate surroundings, because there is talk that an assassination attempt was being prepared on him, literally a few days ago, and with gifts, because this is how it is i’ll tell you, it’s a fake situation, but because of this man-made stuff... it might not have happened if everything had worked out, as the special services know how to do, and we’ve seen from the examples of how russian bloggers and opinion leaders are blown up, i wouldn’t be surprised, if today he has already become one of targets that need to be removed from the chessboard, zelsky is a terrorist clique, and this must also be understood, and the people see this, just in continuation, there is not much time, but we

have other neighbors. yes, in the west, the baltic states, poland, we see what position their politicians have now taken, but on the other hand, if you think logically, what is happening now in ukraine with ukraine and its politicians, not to mention what is happening with the people of ukraine, should be such a colossal lesson for our western neighbors, and - the other day our president in ostrovets had a very interesting remark about our neighbors in the west. let’s listen, then we’ll try to understand all this together and draw conclusions, let’s listen, there’s a new leadership in poland, i’m not delighted there that donald tusk has come , i’ve known him for a long time, i said right before the elections that he’s a pro-european man, described by peace - it was more about the american party, but this does not mean that tomorrow the policy towards belarus will change there, according to closed channels, we talk to them and so on, they

present me with some conditions. you let him go there, let him go, he broke the law, how can i let him go, for this there must be certain conditions, they also step on my chest with their knees and begin to squeeze something out, fuck you, we are a sovereign, independent state, and we will to carry out a tulika that is in the interests of our people, that says it all, if they are ready for this, tomorrow we are ready to shake hands with each other anywhere and are ready to cooperate with them, a lot depends on you, a lot depends, maintain normal relations with the lithuanians and poles, there is no need to quarrel with them, we are one people, in fact in this cradle, they are our neighbors, there is no escape. actually, this, if very simplified, is a recipe for peace in our region, at least with our neighbors, yes, but neighbors are not chosen, the head of state is absolutely right when he speaks about this publicly, but the question is, if you look at the history of

poland’s relations with the russian empire, with russia, with the soviet union, for a certain period, except when there was the people's republic of poland, because they are we always dreamed of coming here. it’s not just that even on november 4, the poles, so to speak, were expelled from moscow at one time, the historian says you, and if you speak so pragmatically, you started the program by saying that the world has broken down like this and says, now let’s trying to build this world in a new way, here we have poles , lithuanians, latvians, not a single ordinary person in the world wants war, he wants to raise children, he wants to get paid, see the world, but the president has made a very clear mistake now, here there are politicians, but from this reality in this reality we do not live there for 200 to 300 years, we do not have this historical past in our present day, from this, from this grain, how can we grow peace in our

region? you know, this recipe is wonderful, precise, clear and intelligible, most importantly with a deep historical retrospective, you know? i always have great respect for people who are able to draw the right conclusions, often, there are examples, there are events, but wrong conclusions are drawn from them, our president made an exceptionally correct conclusion and broadcasts it not only to our media, it broadcasts it to the whole world, let's live together, this is the first, second, let's find points... of common ground, find mutually beneficial conditions for existence.

and the third point, there is no need to set any conditions for ultimams, it is the question of equality, the question of mutual understanding, this is the grain and the basis on which the future world can be built, and in my opinion, i heard exactly this in the words of our head of state, and the most important thing is that i would like it to reach our closest neighbors, that we are making the correct historical conclusions, we understand that the people are the people, the leadership is the power, it is the leadership of the power, they come, they go, the people remain. states, this is a message not only to us, russia and our neighbors, it is a message to the whole world, so. look, today a situation has indeed arisen in which the absolute majority of states, and not only in europe, not only in asia, not only in africa, want to live like human beings, want to have respect for themselves as a person on earth, to whom the lord gives one life on earth, this

is what we are talking about, this is what is happening now, this is one of the moments of transformation of the world order, and it will happen. five. 10 years, how long the historical period will take, it is always quite complex, it is difficult to predict, but the fact that the world will not exist in this version is the message of the state, let's live together, treating each other humanely, taking into account mutual interests, respect each other , absolutely accurate and true. thank you very much for participating in our conversation on this program, i thank our guests, but we don’t say goodbye to the audience, the same thing undermines the world, will it come to a new world, if... someone or something is able to return humanity to the mainstream of common sense, we continue such a density of events and such an intensity of passions to really figure it out you need a cold mind and powerful analytical talent, our guest today on this part

is a professional with a capital p, we are connected with one of the most authoritative russian-speaking experts, russian intelligence officer, professor mgemo andrey bezrukov, andrey olegovich, hello, we are very happy about our new meeting, thank you for taking the time, i propose to start with the palestinian-israeli confrontation , of course we follow the news, which is filled with emotions, it is understandable, first there is a bloody attack by hamas, the taking of hostages, then we see the blockade of the gaza strip, israeli strikes on peaceful targets, the use of prohibited shells, according to the un, 70% of those killed in the gas sector were women and children. but behind the emotions it is difficult, it is important to recognize what is happening deeply, in particular, why did everything happen right now in this form? you you know, it’s hard to say here, i can at least name two factors. first, recently there was such a situation that the agreement between israel and saudi

arabia became a reality; if this agreement had been signed, the independence of palestine could, i think, be put an end to. and this is exactly what the americans were leading to, and hamas was naturally not happy with this, but that’s why right now, why exactly at this moment, i think hamas. became, from a military point of view, at least a fairly independent player, accepting his own decision, and naturally, he did not even inform his, so to speak, patrons from lebanon and iran, and carried out so that it was difficult to recognize, the preparation for it was difficult to recognize, which was possible, that is, many experts, and the whole world immediately started talking with one voice that the intelligence... of israel had slept through, and the reason was precisely that no one expected it, no one agreed with anyone, this is the reason, yes, because

the super intelligence service still said, super army, i ’m interested in your opinion as a professional in in this sense, in the sense, you know, what’s the matter, every super-special service from super-armies has normal people living there, they make mistakes, and the question is not that one of them is an outstanding professional, there are probably many of them, but the whole process.. .collection of information, its analysis, its, let's say, coverage in decision-making circles, correct coverage, then making a decision, taking measures that would prevent what happened on october 7, this is a single chain, if any element in this chain breaks or does not work if any element in this chain, but here... perhaps the political element played a role, then the whole chain

does not work, and no matter how well we speak about one or another part of this chain, there will be no result, and here most likely it is this factor, they note now, when we look at the assessments that sound not only the special cruelty of israel, they themselves call it decisiveness, but also such real patronage of the united states. we see washington’s behavior in sabbezion, israel, in general, does not hide it, and we can understand that for them this whole story is, well, almost an existential threat, which is why there is such determination, but what does this mean for the states? in many ways, israeli policy determined american policy in the middle east, to what extent is this true, well, let the scientists figure it out, that’s not the question, for the united states, now for the democratic party, for the democratic... administration, this is actually a litmus test, which side are you on,

and of course, when you have to choose, the united states chose israel, but let's mention one more thing if before the united states skillfully maneuvered, on the one hand, the arab world, on the other hand, israel, its allies in europe, then apparently now there is no... all competencies, politics is deteriorating, and under the weak leadership of biden, if you can even call it that leadership , look what kind of consolidation has taken place in general of the entire west around israel, and yet the west has very serious interests in the arab world, in islam in the muslim world, in its entirety, that is, i just see the degradation of western policy, okay, so we hear loud statements by the arab world, although there are fewer real steps than statements, maybe for now, but in general

, the current conflict could become a new assembly point for the entire region, it has already become to some extent, the arab world will have nothing left another, because well, the influence of the so-called arab street in such crises is very great on politics, it is also interesting to see how after the events, for example, in makhachkala, the western media... especially the american ones are trying to make russia out to be the main antisem, this is it's a distraction for them, right? well, it’s just funny, it’s just funny, what anti-semitism, i actually don’t see it, but you know, just like in belarus, you can put it on several elements, so to speak, well, which have already been fed by the special services, are already ready uh for... some speeches, well, you know, this is a problem, i would say, more local, this is a problem

of the local intelligence services, who should have known people who... well, let's say, uh, are ready to come out at any time reason, they would have come out for another reason, it’s just a reason, something that what is happening now in palestine is a reason for speaking out, it could have been different , do you remember, at the beginning of a special military operation they also tried to set fire to dagestan, and in general people also came out, is this a problem with how the local special services work? well , of course, western propaganda, and people who left russia and are actively fighting the regime in russia, will naturally continue to set fires. eh, maybe to close this topic, andrei olegovich, i want to turn to the facts, they were just well illustrated the other day, so far

americans are trying to present russians as the main anti-semists, according to a report published by the national institute and the government of israel, against the backdrop of the war... in the middle east, the number of manifestations of anti-semitism throughout the world has increased by 1.180%, by 1.180%. moreover, a third of these manifestations were recorded in the united states; major american cities, including new york, became the hotbeds, that is, it seems to me that this very very well answers the question of who and where, how does it relate to israel, meanwhile, the concentration forces of mutual hatred here in region gives rise to fears that a new world war will emerge from the middle east. here it is in your opinion. will it work out, how likely is it? this, you know, in the region, has been unstable for a long time, it has already been burning, well, listen, when we first heard about islamic terrorism, the nineties, that’s right , yes, why, everything is clear, a huge number

of unemployed youth, a dysfunctional economy as a whole, huge gap between rich and poor. the dominance of western pro-western politicians in saudi arabia to pursue an absolutely pro-american policy and naturally such tension within the region has already led to internal, let’s say, conflicts between countries, and social conflict, you know, this is just a weak link. in the world now, the second, of course, weak link can now be called southeast asia, this region around the yellow sea, the south china sea, which, and of course, what the americans are trying to do now is to use

this tension for in order to set fire to both regions, yeah, but the solution here is a palestinian formation. the state should stop this conflict so that at least the next generation can live in peace. you see, i don’t know whether this will completely stop the conflict between the arab world and the islamic world, with israel, but now it is absolutely obvious that without the formation of a normal palestinian state, this conflict simply cannot be extinguished. the topic is closer to us, of course. which we cannot ignore behind the fire in the middle east , ukraine is going into the shadows; in the west, in general, this is no longer particularly hidden in a conversation with by russian pranksters, for example, italy miloni, we heard a slip the other day, europe is already tired of the conflict in ukraine, an interview with a loser, for whom they are now taking revenge in zelensky’s office, finally, a very eloquent cover with a small figure of zelsky

in large letters nobody. for the ukrainian confrontation, this is the beginning of the end or is it just a lull. we don’t need to make such quick conclusions that we are moving into some new stage here, what do you think? well, i don’t see any calm yet, there’s conflict continues, the military phase, the active military phase, the heavy military phase continues, that consolidation in ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, it no longer exists, neither in society nor in power, this is the first thing, there is no consolidation in terms of western support, as you say, and europe is tired, and the united states is tired , because the election cycle is starting in the united states, naturally, the opposition will always exploit the weaknesses, the ruling factions, we see a huge difference in

losses, and we see a huge difference in how i can tell you this, in the overall strategic potential, this difference cannot be equalized by anything, even if the west abandons everything it has left, the conflict will still not suddenly turn around. this is fatigue, it, it, it turns into something that according to the people it sounds like, will zelensky be merged or not, while it looks like there is a mood to merge him, but then the other day he made a decision, after all not to prepare for the presidential elections, that is, to take them and cancel them, and here the question arises, which is more accurately not a question, but an assumption that he himself he feels that, to put it mildly , clouds are thickening over him, they will merge him, there is a very clear understanding that the conflict will not end with the victory of the west. and throwing new resources into this conflict, these resources into ukraine,

will not lead to anything good. this means that there is a growing understanding that the conflict needs to end, and this means that we will have to somehow negotiate with russia. russia will not negotiate with the authorities that are now in kiev, this is completely understandable. cannot leave this power in kiev for that simple reason the reason is that if this power is left, then the results, the tragic results of this conflict for the west, will fall directly on the west, that is, the question of who lost, who lost in the conflict will be clear, the west lost, that is, we need a goat whose defeat can be written off. well, to be suitable, the situation fits the following narrative: we did everything

we could, we gave what we could, but an incomprehensible, incompetent person named zelsky behaved like this with corruption, with everything else, with wrong decisions on regarding the contour offensive, bakhmut, and so on, that... well, obviously, the person is incompetent, well, it’s clear why they lost then, that is, i don’t think that there is any other opinion now in the west about leaving zelensky in kiev or not, how this will be done is a completely different question, when we were watching makhachkala, we already talked a little about this topic, first of all, it showed how easy it is to use... in general, any discontent and mobilize the crowd , many people say that in 1920 in minsk we

we saw similar technologies, in your opinion they have the same root, indeed, in the events in 2020 in minsk, now what we saw in the events in makhachkala, well, about the same thing, the same technology, on whom it relies, on two types of elements , even three, let’s say, for the opposition that exists... outside the country , which is egged on by money and technology from the west, which organizes this whole thing, and two elements inside, the first are people who really hate belarus and they are trying to undermine russia, systematically undermine the situation, the second part is people who, well, without a rudder and without branches, who... this is a situation that exists in