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to see you again, you too. alena, you have been living and working in belarus for several years now, and have you already received belarusian citizenship? no, i have a residence permit. it was my initiative to ask for a residence permit, because in connection with my work activities , certain prohibitions and sanctions may automatically be carried out against me, yes, and let me remind you that in riga, i have my father’s grave there, there is an apartment where my dad poured me cocoa, that is, there are some nostalgic things that no normal person would part with, yes, well, at the moment i want to be able to come to my dad’s grave, put flowers so that there are no complaints, yes, because, because if a ban is introduced, then it is forever, there is such an interesting phrase that hell is never, to never come to your father’s grave,

well, well, few people are ready for this, i think alena, everything is clear here, how your life has changed after moving to belarus , there is more political psychology in your life, a lot of interesting and entertaining work has become, and i do not regret that i once said my word for the president. many ill-wishers, when you moved and said, well, we are timing the time when she will run back, well, the years go by, alena is with us , well, in general, they were wrong, frankly, despite the fact that, well, i am faced with the usual classic difficulties of any migrant, yes, that is, when a person arrives for some kind of benefit, yes, then when faced with certain difficulties, he tends to either be offended or disappointed , because you think, well, i’ll go, life will be easy, everywhere in any country a person has moved, he has some additional tasks

with which you will need to work, and if this person is ideological, then he will be ready to solve these problems, and not to shift responsibility to someone else, not to be offended by anyone, not to expect that someone will solve... these problems for you, this is like our fugitives who now they were disappointed, having left for lithuania or poland, yes, they thought they would come, they would be carried there in their arms, they were carried in their arms, at a certain moment, when yes, while it was beneficial to that side, while it was profitable, so that they somehow speak out, so that they criticize their country, but it was easy for them, but now, well, accordingly, they have worked themselves out as material, right? and now they , they are disappointed, how is it, well, look, there are five stages in psychology, well, we see yes, denial, anger, torque, depression and acceptance, in your opinion, at what stage are those same runaways now , i think it’s very different, because every person goes through a stage, well, for

each type of person’s temperament, he needs his own certain time to go through this stage, yes, well, if we evaluate it globally in general, or anger, yes, when, how is it? it didn’t work out, well, the bargaining didn’t work, they didn’t appreciate my contribution , i gave up everything here, but it turns out that no one needs me there, it turns out it’s difficult for me, and here it was, well, normal, well, there were some problems of my own, which also needed to be solved, you just need to understand that there is no life where a person, in the long term, does not have to resolve any important issues for himself, this is their main illusion, on which... at that moment, that there is a certain a world where you don’t have to do anything, everything around you will be fine, everything will change at the snap of a finger, trampoline, yes, which they were caught in, well, i think, well, or they

themselves were caught in it, because they were caught, because they the claims that they had here to the state, to the country, to people, in addition to everything , they just transferred them there just like that, as i think, yes, i recently read something last week that you have to hear russian speech addressed to you, pig, russian, ukrainian, get away from the poles. yeah, this is probably something that you, alena, don’t encounter here as a migrant, yes, but how would you explain this rhetoric, russophobic, ukrainophobic poles, and you know, in fact, this fatigue from defectors there, it is also connected not only with their origin, with their behavior, which they tend to broadcast when they come there, they come there as kings, what they are owed there, we people left, they themselves declared that they were the best people, so

the best people left, they demand to be treated there as the best people, while having moved there for that state, they want to do very little, they believe that they should be valued in fact for the fact that they can spoil their country there, no, but they feel their own, these contrasts, they are not accepted there. this is not so much about some kind of russophobia internal history, how much about the fact that about the behavior that they, this behavior is broadcast there, the same as in relation to their state, the behavior we all owe, you all owe me, yes, explain to me, there is, for example , it’s good that they walk around with a crown on their head, but there are... simpler people who were subjected

to, so to speak, manipulation, for some reason still fled the country, now, well, it seems like they would like to return, but here’s the thing... then i think that these are such internal fears and also the influence of that information vacuum, in where they are there, yes, that is, it is important to understand that there is a very strong information space there, it does not let in some information from the outside, and that is, it is created. the feeling of this threat of hostility from the belarusian state or the russian state, so this fear of even trying , it is very influential, but they have already collided once, stepped over it, that is, in order to get ready to cross the border at one moment and start life again, they already experienced it once, they are afraid to encounter it again that's it.

with the score in the account, it’s always, they tanya was traveling for a better life, she wanted them, they are intimidated from the side where they are currently located, yes, that is, we are observing the influence of that information field, the context in which they are now live, that is, they have a different idea of ​​the situation, the attitude that might be towards them here, so it’s more difficult for them to make a decision, and in general... it’s very great that we have the opportunity to submit this application, even just find out if anyone comes to me at all there are complaints, or maybe no one just cares about me, well, you are very right about the fact that the environment and surroundings ultimately influence the decision, because i saw the attempts of defectors to contact this commission and how it seemed to fall upon them sootki. yes, uh, who said that, well, in

general, well, as a matter of fact, it was the same manipulation, some kind of fear of theirs, which they broadcast on those people, and who are ready to make up their mind, they, perhaps internally, for their part, also wanted would, but they are so scared, it’s scary, but i think that help here can be provided by relatives who stayed here and who can help in this very first step, you need to talk to someone, not from that environment, so i think, i agree with you, yes , to be able to at least look for this contact, check, because how can i know exactly what is hostile here, this is the question that it is important for each of those who are afraid to decide to answer for themselves, but how do i know , that this is exactly so, yes, that is , look for some other opportunities, find out, how they are treated here, how they are treated here. act through those who

remain here. there are still some contacts left, there is still family, yes, kinship, some kind of historical past, there is this opportunity, just try, you have nothing to lose, it’s also interesting to know your opinion about those who were manipulated, as they put it in 2020 year, and we also saw this, people succumbed to manipulation then, after some time they declare that we realized, changed our views, for the state, for lukashenko, how stable they have become, not will they succumb to manipulation once again, when they again want to deceive them, you know, human consciousness is like that when emotions are involved, if you manage to cling to these emotions like levers, yes, that is, there is always a probability, it’s just the experience that

they passed, if they really sincerely realized that it was good, they were deceived, if they consciously approach what hooks they were hooked on, then in general these are very, well, psychologically... stable people, it also seems to me that immunity should be developed after such, especially when it is associated with such shocks, it’s one thing, yes, when you don’t have this experience, and another thing, when you have already received it, these methods of consciousness control that are used, they are historical, they are always the same , it’s just that if a person learns to recognize and recognize them, they lose the ability to influence this person, why do we even... here now those who remain, it is very important to talk now about methods of influence, methods of control over consciousness, to recognize, to learn recognizing these moments, it will be useful in the future, it will be useful now , but it will be even more useful when there is an election campaign, and by the way, i noted that we

are now publishing various sociological studies on various issues before the elections, this is natural, again. it turns out that belarusian society is becoming apolitical, but this is encouraging , in fact, when this degree of tension was already at its peak, yes, it was not easy, that is , it was already difficult to communicate at the everyday, family level, today such an effect is intrusive, more after covid, when life probably lost most of its diversity among people, and there was some kind of psychological pre-preparation for people to be more susceptible to some kind of turmoil, this also had an impact, i wonder if society will relax, as it was on the eve of the twentieth year, when everyone said we were apolitical, we were not interested in politics, and then boom, what did it all lead to, and now it seems like it, but a lot depends on the information

space and context that we like we will have media representatives, of course, can we offer an alternative, take the initiative? so that our reaction in the most useful way helps society adapt to changing conditions , yes, today we are even dealing with zipfakes, not just some kind of telephone pranks, but... things that, well, it’s difficult to somehow resist them, that is, certain, certain patterns that representatives of the media, yes, it is important to understand, these are psychological patterns, politics are people, there is nothing else there, and i mean, alena, that we cannot, for example, sometimes ourselves not buy

into a lie, imagine, it’s difficult for us professionals to figure out whether it’s a deep fake or whether it’s true, or he said it or is saying it, or is planning to do so, this is more the task of political psychologists, yeah, or should it be some kind of joint cooperation, yes, when representatives of the media, for their part, have the accumulated knowledge base that exists, psychologists, competent psychologists who understand these processes that occur, who understand how the patterns work and how in the future, information coming from outside... can have an impact on society, yes, that is, there must be people who know how to think strategically many, many, many steps forward, yes, if it is well-functioning, good, joint, competent work, then we will be able to keep our information space quite comfortable and you, as a psychologist,

for example, distinguish deepfake from truth by what criteria, by psychological ones? i just see what patterns are involved in the rhetoric that comes from outside, i i see what feelings are clinging, yes, i see what source those words that i hear are calling out to, yeah, that is, if it’s something very strongly propaganda, then you have to think about it, if, if it somehow causes an emotional reaction, yeah, a feeling, it might be there, a feeling of resentment, a range of feelings , it’s very wide, not only fear, we ’re used to understanding that if people are intimidated, then yes, this is it, this is it, but besides. a feeling of fear, there is also a huge,

wide range of different feelings, yes, that is it could be a feeling of loss of justice, loss of security, it could be a feeling of resentment, it could be anger, it could be love, it could even be some feeling from the positive spectrum, but they don’t cling to reason, it’s to emotions , yes, yes, because when emotions are involved, is it rational? but now we are on the threshold of a large electoral campaign, you now see in our information field some kind of stuffing, maybe some kind of influence, and there are some future manipulations, there is, i i see some prospects when there will be an attempt again to create that you do not choose yourself, you do not decide anything. you have lost your freedom, you lack democracy, listen, what difference

does it make what you call the political regime, if in this political regime i live well, easily freely and better than in your democracy, what difference does it make what you call it? yes, that is , there will most likely be an attempt to appeal to some terminology: yes, you live in a dictatorship. yes, that is, these are some such emotionally strong words, i think that will be used, but again, the attitude towards the concept of dictator, it seems to me, has changed very much over the last 2 years, that is, when we hear it here, it has already acquired such a certain satirical character, especially from the lips of the collective, again there is there is nothing to compare it with, compare it, there are examples of what is happening even among our neighbors.

“be friends with your neighbors, yes, that is, he, well, as president, he sets an example for us that we need to share, there is a political component, yes, this is the rhetoric of their authorities, and there are people, there the social component, look, this is the same russophobia, which is just a fierce, terry russophobia among the rulers of the baltic countries, ordinary citizens have the same rhetoric, or there is no aggression, no, no, the fact of the matter is that this is some kind of - there is information coming from there that supposedly they are all unfriendly towards us, no, at the social level , even among latvians, among seasoned latvians, they are quite friendly, i have lived there all my life, yes, i have never encountered so that i... one of the latvians would poke me in the the thing is that i am not a citizen of latvia, that i am

russian, this has never happened, i was part of this social society, usually people, for their part, at the social level, are ready to be friends. moreover, alena told the story that when she went to the last elections, she was looking for an embassy where to vote, latvian told her, just look, you only vote for. it wasn’t me who was looking for where to vote, but he told me , yeah, yeah, that a certain belarusian, yes, a person, yes, who has belarusian citizenship, living on the territory of latvia, was going to vote, yeah, i went to vote for our president , meet a little guy, he asked how i could get to the belarusian embassy, ​​yeah, so he told him, well, look, if you’re not going to vote for the badka, look at me. it was a simple latvian, by the way, about friendship, a wonderful gesture, i think on the part of belarus in relation to our neighbors

, it is visa-free, thousands of people have already visited it, even there are hundreds of thousands of people from poland, lithuania, and latvia, including yours acquaintances also came, and my friends came, it was very interesting to watch these contrasts, because the expectation, i just saw how much ... you are going to belarus, are you serious, are you right there, so i watched them come here, and how this picture begins to clear up, yes, that is, they still understood that , well, no, no, probably not, as they tell us there, anyway, when they came here, they discovered belarus for themselves. even more friendly, and these are the people, yes, whose experience, the real experience that they got

here, they took it, they took it there, yes, these people, they are informational, they represent, for that information space, they pose, well, a certain threat, well, that’s why they tried to isolate them so carefully, our country has recently been accused of stealing children, allegedly we are taking them out of the donbass they dissolve without a trace in the vastness of belarus, although this is an absolute lie, for what purpose is this being done, it seems to me that this is one of the ways to create. this is an attempt to create this feeling of an enemy at the gates, look, they don’t even disdain children, so what? i’ll tell you then, but i’ll be happy to note that, in my opinion, i already said that when i was in the sanatorium, there were a lot of cars with latvian license plates in the parking lot around, and i think

that this tradition without a visa will continue with us, but for now we have. .. not for long, i remind you that we have a telegram channel, say don’t be silent, subscribe, ask questions and suggest guests, we are in touch , the program is on air again, say don’t be silent, and today we have a guest psychologist, alena diodina, alena, well, we we see how the west deprived the baltic countries of independence, actually destroyed their economy, you also observed this in the example of latvia, we see what kind of policy they are pursuing in relation to the same georgia, yes, although at the same time they constantly promise mountains of gold, paradise, there is nothing to say about ukraine at all, we see everything ourselves, yes , the country simply turned into a battlefield, although at first zelensky

was praised, recently time published such a cover, where the figure itself... zelsky is two times smaller than the letters that now, apparently, now characterize the word, no one, yes, this is key word, and zelsky himself generally understands what a sad fate is in store for him, judging by the set of his reactions to those same western politicians, yes, that is, by the way he looks, how he reacts facially, how he sometimes speaks, by his timbre voices, he understands everything, he just can’t change anything, yes, that is, the same thing... his recent phrase about how it would be better for this world if dogs ruled it, he seemed to be joking, it seems like everyone laughed, but if you think about it, and look at this here is the foreign policy of the united states, then probably, yes , it would be better, this phrase, it speaks of his internal disappointment, well, for those

supposed friends, i can’t really feel sorry for him. to begin with, it was necessary not to be enchanted, uh-huh, somehow he was so enchanted, yes, most likely he was enchanted, most likely they promised him, most likely he was originally signed up for something else, because well, psychologically, yes there is such a thing that if initially a person cannot be signed up for something like that, so that he is pushed away, first a little bit, and then he simply won’t be able to refuse. and it seems to me, zelsky, he fell into the same trap, when he was offered to play as a servant of the people, he decided that he could handle it, perhaps they appealed to some noble goals, initially, it is possible that he was initially in he believed it all, he just, it seems to me, psychologically fell for it, yes, finding himself vulnerable at

a certain moment, well, perhaps he also had a lot of ambition for some role. it is possible, that is , he wanted to become the king of the world, it is difficult to say about this, what levers are hooked, but in general, as an actor, and an actor, he seems to be initially inclined to be on stage, that is, he likes this process, and it is possible that he was also caught for this, well, now he is, but now he is disappointed, i think fear, because it’s no secret at all that they are getting rid of unnecessary people, yes, to say something against them, plus during the time he was playing friendship with america, they weakened the country, they created maximum conditions, uh, you know, how

the painful hold is used, it is important for us that we must look at the technology, yes, first it is gloria, victory, he is the king, indeed, he is the best , he is the most peacemaker on earth, yes, this is an interesting point that at first was really created in their media space, that indeed zelensky is some kind of . a hero who fights for the independence of his country, practically there is chikwara, yes, you see, yes, because their attempts at war, yes, they did not give the results that the states were counting on, they gave results, but not the same, and not to the same extent , you see, it’s in their cultural code it is written that america is always a hero who saves, if we have been saving for more than two years and there are no results, yes, then, are we such heroes, and are we so strong, that is, today he already poses a threat to their inner

politicians, for the image of their elites, it is beneficial to get rid of him now, why are some of his supporters now appearing who criticize zelensky, that is, it was not we who could not help, he zelensky failed as a leader, so if we now. we are changing the manager, yes, well, for example, but that’s it the most deserving one, right? then everything is fine, everything is wonderful, we are already investing in it, it is important to understand that this is the material that tends to be worked out, and after all, the technology, and first the covers are in the same style, and now, as if by command of the cover, it is completely in friend, now he, as a leader, is in a puddle, and now he turns out to be uncompromising, and he... is supposedly from his inner circle, that is, we do n’t know any names, we don’t know how we can check this information, even in historical let's see in the future, here

before, all the hollywood stars, remember, everyone had ukrainian flags, everyone went here, now no one, because the demand of american society itself has changed, we don’t want to pay anymore, pay for this war, and with our taxes, that’s all, but what does our president lukashenko tell him? i said, volodya, play. volodya, he warned him at the very beginning, because the president is a person who knows how to think strategically in such a multi-step manner, yes, this is what, i think, helps a lot in maintaining this our truly freedom and security within belarus, this is the ability of the leader of the state to look at these multi-step ahead, and respond appropriately to the current moment, to these external threats, well, as we here, after communicating with vavan and lexus, we will remember the visit of the ex-adviser to the us president in

9 to president lukashenko to come to an agreement, to be friends against russia, zelensky agreed to this, we can see it now, yes, and this is the same time, but lukashenko did not agree, this is also, as far as personality, this is a specific personality , influences certain historical events and... the fate of the state in the future, in president lukashenko these internal forces were found, well , relatively speaking, in simpler terms, to say, get out, don’t buy their promises, well, here you also see what this is lump, yes, that is, the strength of personality, and it was impossible to pull any strings, zelensky in this regard was quite vulnerable, as for society, ukrainians, well, i don’t want to say that the whole society or the nation there is infantile , what are they? really believe that the west is theirs will make you very rich at the snap of your fingers, at a monovenium, i don’t know what the wand is, suddenly it won’t be ukraine anymore, that’s exactly what we talked about in the first half of our program, how much

influence the information space can have on the ideas that will exist in society, after all, they worked in ukraine competently, this is their example, which. tells us now that it is important for us to talk about this, it is important not to let it happen, that is, yes, we look from the outside, it seems absurd to us, but in that context, in in which they live in that space, in that reality that is informationally created around them, but they don’t believe it, well, you see, alena, because that’s where the same blogger sergei tikhanovsky started from the fact that he was looking for some problems, he i also called my channel a country for life, which i... after all, within every state there are certain problems that require solutions, and there are always people who are dissatisfied with everything, and some of them also come to us, but

from the same the baltic states themselves, they they tell us about the internal problems with which they were dissatisfied , essentially the same tikhanovskys who are trying to do his work here, that is , when i, for example, notice that people are coming to us from another country. those people who pose some kind of danger, in the same way, it seems to our fugitives that when they come here, they will roll in chocolate for their rhetoric, that’s why a person comes, and he automatically becomes a blogger here, that is, he worked there in a warehouse, a seller, somewhere else, he had some profession, he was doing something in his life, for some reason coming here, he believes that he should be paid here purely for speaking badly about his country, but this is wrong, how... you coming

here and speaking about the fact that they are hostile there, that everyone there is stupid, how do you help us build diplomatic, friendly relations in the future, no way, so from my point of view, as a psychologist, these are the people who, well, represent some kind of informational, even more likely a danger for us, and people who don't realize the responsibility, they don't realize, they 're trying to... sell their rhetoric just like our fugitives tried to sell that rhetoric there. well, i like it, i notice a tendency in belarus that they don’t find much to gain here, this also makes me very happy, you just know, such a moment that having been disappointed and offended by belarus, there is absolutely no guarantee that these same people will not go through there, in the next election campaign, they won’t go to

poland, for example. they’ll tell you, but we’re here in belarus were, and we gained experience, these people, disappointed, yes, they will be so strategically advantageous there, yes, that is , why do we need to be careful with them, pay attention, yeah, how much can we even let them into the information space here, you have already said, alena , that in general the west has succeeded in a lot , but in driving a wedge between... the story continues, the conflict, when do you think it can be settled? everything will very much depend on how the geopolitical situation in the world changes, in

basically, on whose side the ball will be, in that direction the situation will change, well, the situation is the situation, even despite the grievances that are now on both sides, on the russian side, that this will also influence on its part, you know, this is such a complex issue , in fact, there is a political layer on which decisions are made, and there is a certain socio-psychological layer, this is how much we can build relationships at the social level, as a basis for... its future, why am i talking about what is important so that this attitude on our part towards social society towards other countries, so that it is friendly , because this is the basis on which in the future we will be able to build these truly friendly relations, neighbors from god, it is important to be friends with them, be friends with the poles, be friends with the lithuanians, normal people, but at the same time, our neighbor poland is rattling sabers and its rhetoric is not at all friendly, in your opinion, this rhetoric is just

bravado, or they are still capable of moving on to some specific military action. this is an attempt to create information space, yes, that is, it is also very beneficial for them to form this idea of ​​an enemy at the gate, because when there is this conditional enemy, the so-called one, they seem to receive psychological permission for... for that behavior, for those decisions that, well, would not find support from their social society, yes , that is, this is still an attempt to sweep some problems under the rug, for example, yes, this is such a complex issue that it is impossible to say unequivocally that only this factor influences , well, let’s not forget that

these countries are still not independent, indeed, even if we say: the phenomenon of this learned helplessness, when yes, i seem to be helping you, but by helping you, i contribute to the fact that you lose the ability, you simply forget how to do doing something on your own, you get used to the fact that you have some kind of external support, or that someone is doing this important work of yours instead. yes, perhaps you will later be disappointed or realize that in fact there was no friendship, as in the case of zelsky, but you will already be immobilized alena, well, these are the same, well, there are a lot of examples, yes, the usa always behaves in life like a wolf in a sheep’s clothing, it promises a lot,

history persistently teaches us, but we stubbornly learn nothing, well, that is, always every time, every new country thinks that with me, everything will be different, but with me, i will be a beloved wife. well, then it seems to me that history teaches us that looking for friendship somewhere overseas is at least stupid, we will never coincide either culturally or mentally, we are not perceived there equal, we are perceived as strategically advantageous material at the moment, which will be worked out, and how will they be, well, either put aside for pancakes, in the refrigerator, well , you never know later, there is such a concept, either from the first, second, well, maximum the third time, and they will be thrown out, like president zelsky, that’s why we are talking about the fact that we still need to be together, this is also strategically important, and not just from some economic issues, yes, and i’m not 1000 times history

she proved to us, i don’t understand how we can do it again we are stepping on the same rake, yes , well, in this case, i mean ukraine, it is very important to study this historical past, why, because we can... look at the trends and strategies, tactics that this or that state is inclined to , this is usual, it is somehow written down, it is secretly reviewed, especially since every 100 years he lives through the world, well, approximately a similar cycle, yes, well, and here, as it were, it is precisely the historical past that convinces us that these public wounds that are alive today, they will heal, because we also have such experience, well, yes, we - after the great patriotic war, retained the opportunity to communicate with the same germans, yes, despite the horror they did on our land with our ancestors, here we have information space, the question of how important education is,

enlightenment, the possibility of interaction between a social society and certain people who can tell, reveal the picture, somehow bring back society to realism. yes, that is, this is what it is subtasks, everyone is listening to society, including the leaders of countries, yes, where in the poles we mean now, people are going out to mass protests, you are probably watching them too, and what is happening now, how would you characterize it, what is this? in fact, the rating of the ruling party in poland is negligible, yes, that’s why? let ’s say poland itself changed its rhetoric towards ukraine, yes, because it’s an attempt to support ukraine and meet the expectations from the west, yes, so that to receive some kind of goodies, that is, it brought social society to

such a level of tension that the relationship between its authorities and its people, they have deteriorated so much that the threat... that’s how far i can keep my power in its place, it has already become possible to be more influential, these internal relations and in order to please their social society, the ruling party , these pisovtsy, they tried to do the splits for both yours and ours, in fact, what is the current balance of power, and between the two.. well, kind of competing parties, this will be very interesting to watch in the future, because not only do they have to please the west, they have to please their social society and among themselves they also owe power, that is, all this fuss you think

is elective , yes, of course, this is pure politics, now we will take a break for a while, after a short pause we will return to this studio again, for now subscribe to our telegram channel, say don’t be silent, look for all our releases on the youtube channel. on the air again say don't be silent when visiting us psychologist alena deodina. let us also touch on an important topic - this is the currently blazing conflict between israel and the gas sector. what is your attitude to this story? the cause , where is the effect, the cause of the effect will be very difficult to find, yes, that’s what we were talking about, once upon a time there was a conflict, did it arise from some point? someone said something to someone, offended someone, and this

historical offense was formed. conflict, it was frozen, it was so smoldering, it was unresolved, the parties did not agree, and this was the vulnerable point on the basis of which it was possible was to play psychologically by throwing a certain kind of provocation, as happened in this case, just why? to form these friendly relations with your neighbors so that frozen conflicts at a certain moment do not become a point of your vulnerability in order to ignite some kind of war? well, here we see that this was beneficial to someone, and we know the main beneficiary who benefits from this, this is the united states, which deliberately continued to support this conflict, but for this... it was needed, the usa was needed, needed

there was some new conflict in the world, where they would rush to save, and which would shift attention, yes, from ukraine, their failures, which they openly say, that’s what you think, our president said that in order to solve this conflict between palestine and israel, it is important to agree on borders, it is important to create a palestinian state, which was stated back in the late forties, when israel was created, in fact, it is important to give people this certainty, until in any conflict there is uncertainty about these our internal borders, yes, i mean, not the borders of states, our psychological borders, including, until this understanding is not there, it will be very difficult to come to an agreement in some kind of conflict, alena, but this rhetoric of cataleopolt, it is completely disadvantageous to the states

, and who still seem to be saying that for their part they will do their best to ensure that there is no sovar, we see what they are doing with nord stream 2, they are simply blowing up, yes, yes, that is, it is important now from their side, yes to incite this hostility, internal hostility, on the basis of some kind of religious feelings, as we see, yes, for example, our attempts, they will simply...... suppress in every possible way, but not only ours, i mean here attempts of any state that we see, we see an ongoing conflict , this is what happens if you don’t solve the problem itself, from which everything is already here, well , when we see that this is just beginning to emerge, why is it important not to sweep away this problem under the rug, she'll shoot her time after 5, but they don’t give it to you and you are in a dependent position, you are, in general , powerless, that’s why today we so often

talk about these international associations, yes, which the brixes, the shows are trying to put themselves on the geopolitical map in opposition to the same states, yes, that because this is interaction, this is cooperation, long term, uh-huh, this is our inner peace, this is our...' freedom, this is how independent we can remain in the future, this is our investment, our future as a psychologist, tell me, what is the percentage of people who are always dissatisfied with everything in society, in any society , and is it possible to work with it, you need to work with it, i won’t tell you the exact percentage, but in any society there will always be those people. who are unhappy with the state of affairs

that they have, right? the state is not always to blame for this, sometimes responsibility, responsibility, i’m not saying guilt, lies with the person himself, maybe he didn’t do something on his part , was lazy, was afraid somewhere, that is, now i i like it, it seems to me belarus began to work with this infantilism, to include a little sense of responsibility in people. or something, well, that is, call there on such and such a phone, try to do at least something, and what are you doing for this, what do you want, but this is the kind of life you want for yourself inside this state, so that you, well, more - i was less satisfied, the person has some ideas, but what are you doing for your part now for this? oh, what an interesting answer there could be, when it’s as if on my part, essentially nothing like that there’s no need to do anything in particular, it’s all external to me. as if they should give it, no, yeah, everyone owes it, nowhere, never and no one

owes you, this is the revelation that for some reason causes surprise in people. well, how can i have a mantra, i pay taxes, and the state owes me , i support medicine, i support education, well, be kind, be kind to the state, provide me with everything that is in the west, as they support medicine, also an important question, probably alena, calls controlled chaos what is happening today in geopolitics, to what extent is it controllable in your opinion, and whether it can go into the phase, it is as controllable as possible now, that is. if you look at this overall political situation , there are a lot of parties, yes, that are now trying to divide influence among themselves, and depending on how certain politicians behave, in the future, the state will occupy a certain place, yes, that’s it we are following the path of cooperation, yes, we are not following hostile

rhetoric, we are not making friends against, yeah, we are building friendly relations when we can do something together. will create that is, this policy, it will determine our place in the future in the political space, those are coming, america, yes, it is going the other way, it is trying to control this chaos towards hostility, yes, that is, everyone, every state, it will try with to maximize, with maximum benefit, the circumstances in which the world now finds itself, that is, as beneficiaries , the conflict between palestine and israel is in darkness, in fact, each has its own story, but so far chaos, it is controlled, controlled states, for now

yes, and we are talking about the fact that for more than 60 years, yes, even 70 years, nothing has been regulated there, yes, this suggests that , apparently, the beneficiaries did not want this, but here the question is , what citizens are ready for, i think the israelis themselves, they also don’t like to live constantly at gunpoint, but in some kind of tension, just like the citizens of palestine would like rights for themselves. the question is yes, the question is, well, to get out of control in general, so that the conflict gets out of control altogether, no? the only question is who will be his control, control, this is not always bad, we can control the conflict in order to somehow develop it and pedal it, so that this hostility grows, and the level of tension also increases, or we can control it as mediators, or

my game, my rules, to help establish the same friends, the main thing is that everything does not get out of control , it’s so scary, a person cannot for a long time psychological myth: control is something to live in a state of uncertainty of chaos, it still looking for some kind of order, it’s just this pendulum effect, yes , which exists in politics, that people who broke through to absolute freedom found themselves in this chaos, they were then ready for any dictatorship, for any hitler, to get into a state of this certainty, it is important for us to appreciate what we have at this historical stage of time, as always it was very curious, interesting, you are charming, convincing, and we, tatyana sherbina, victoria popova, say goodbye to you for today , goodbye, goodbye, and now says alena deodina: any wars

tend to end, but relations between people remain. at the moment, for us, belarusians, it is important how our rhetoric will be structured in relation to representatives of neighboring states. here i would advise you to listen to the words of our president, who talks about how important it is now to be friendly towards our neighbors, because our attitude towards them is now our words that we broadcast to social society, at the moment, this there will be a basis on which... in the future our diplomatic and social relations will begin to be built, so let us still turn towards friendship, representatives of other states. alena, well , according to the already established tradition, i will ask you to leave an autograph and some wish for our program, for our viewers, please.

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