[000:00:00;00] i can’t feel sorry for him alena, first i had to not be enchanted, somehow he was so enchanted, yes, most likely he was enchanted, most likely they promised him, most likely they initially signed him up for something else, because well, psychologically, yes there is such a thing that if initially a person cannot be signed up for something like this, so that he is repulsed, at first a little... a little, and then he simply cannot refuse, it seems to me, zelsky, he fell into the same the very trap, when he was offered to play at being a servant of the people, he decided that he could cope, perhaps they appealed to some noble goals from the beginning, he also declared noble ones, it is possible that he initially believed in all this, he also, it seems to me, psychologically fell for it, yes,

finding himself vulnerable at a certain moment. well, it’s possible that there are also a lot of ambitions for some kind of role, and ambitions are also possible, that is, he wanted to become the king of the world, it’s difficult to say about this , what levers hooks, well, in general, as an actor, and an actor, he seems to be initially inclined to be on the stage, then he likes this process, and it is possible that he was also caught for this, but now he... but now he is disappointed, disappointed, and i think fear, because it is not a secret at all that they are getting rid of unnecessary ones, yes, to say what -his word is against , plus during the time he was playing friendship with america, they weakened the country, they created maximum conditions, you know, how the painful hold is used,

it is important for us that we must... examine technology, yes, first it is gloria, victory, he is the king, indeed, he is the best, he is the most a peacemaker on earth, but this is an interesting point that at first was really created in their media space, that zelsky is really some kind of hero who is fighting for the independence of his country, practically a war, you know, yes, since their attempts at war, yes, they didn’t give the results that... the states were counting on, they gave results, but not the same and not to the same extent, you see, it is written into their cultural code that america is always a hero who saves, if we already save more two years, and there are no results, yes, then ah are we such heroes, and are we so strong, that is, today he already poses a threat

to their internal politics, to the image of their elites, it is advantageous to get rid of now, why are some of his supporters now appearing who criticize zelsky, that is, it is not we who could not help, zelensky failed as a leader, so if we now change the leader, yes, well, for example , but the same zaluzhny, yes, then everything is fine, everything is wonderful, we are already investing in him, it is important to understand that this is the material that has, after all, the technology and first the covers in the same style, and now, as if at the command of the cover, now he, as a leader, has made a mess, and now he turns out to be uncompromising, and he is supposedly from his inner circle, that is, we don’t know either names, we don’t know how we can check this information, let’s look at it from a historical perspective, before all the stars were

hollywood, remember they all have ukrainian flags. american society itself has changed, we don’t want to pay anymore, pay for this war, but with our taxes, that’s all, but what’s ours president lukashenko told him, volodya, time will pass, you will be merged volodya, he warned him at the very beginning, because the president is a person who knows how to think strategically in such a multi-step manner, yes, this is what, i think, helps a lot, to preserve this is truly our freedom and security inside belarus, this is the ability of the leader of the state to look at these multi-steps forward and respond appropriately to the current moment, to these external threats, well, how we are here after communicating with vavan and lexus let us remember the visit of the ex-adviser to the us president in 1990 to president lukashenko to come to an agreement, to be friends against russia, zelsky

agreed on this. agreed, we can see it now, yes, ah, this is the same time , lukashenko did not agree, this too , as far as personality, here is a specific personality, the fate of the state in the future, these internal forces were found in president lukashenko, well relatively speaking, in simpler terms, to say, get out, don’t buy into their promises, but here you also see what this is, yes, that is, strength personality, and it was impossible to pull any strings, zelensky in this regard was quite vulnerable, as far as society is concerned, ukrainians, well, i don’t want to say. that the entire society or even the nation is infantile, that they really believe that the west will make them rich with a snap of a finger, a memory, i don’t know, suddenly, that’s exactly what we talked about in the first half of our program, how much

can the information space influence the ideas that will exist in society? they're on you in this plan has not been worked out, this is their example, which tells us now that it is important for us to talk about this, it is important not to let it happen, that is, yes, we look from the outside, it seems absurd to us, but in the context in which they live in that space, in the reality that information is created around them, but they believe, well, you see, alena, because that’s where the same blogger sergei tikhonovsky started, with the fact that he was looking for some problems. which requires a solution, and there are always people who

are dissatisfied with everything, and these are some of us too they come, but from the same baltic states, they tell us about the internal problems with which they were dissatisfied, in fact the same tikhanovskys who are trying to do his work here, that is, when i say i notice, they come to us from from another country, a person who is already seeking permanent residence begins to be so unctuous, unctuous, yes, this is in my opinion , yes, these are the people who pose some kind of danger, they, just like our fugitives, think that when they come here, they are for they will roll around in chocolate with their rhetoric, so for some reason a person comes and he automatically becomes a blogger here, that is, he worked there in a warehouse. a salesman, somewhere else, he had some kind of profession , he did something in his life, for some reason coming here, he believes that he should be paid here purely for speaking badly about his country, but this is wrong,

how do you come here and say that they are hostile there, that everyone there is stupid, how do you help us build diplomatic, friendly relationship in the future? no way, therefore, from my point of view, as a psychologist, these are the people who, well, represent some kind of informational, even rather, danger to us, and people who do not realize responsibility, they do not realize, they are trying to sell their rhetoric in the same way, how our fugitives tried to sell this rhetoric there, well, uh, i like it, i note such a tendency in belarus that they don’t really find a trough here as... there is absolutely no guarantee that these same people will not go through there in the next election campaign campaign, they won’t go to poland, for example, and won’t

tell you, but we were here in belarus and we got experience, these people are disappointed, yes, they will be so strategically advantageous there, yes, that is, why? we need to be careful and attentive to them, yeah, to what extent can we let them into the information space here, you already said, alena, that in general the west has succeeded in a lot, but in driving a wedge between fraternal peoples and history the conflict continues, what do you think, when can it be exhausted? everything will very much depend on how the political situation in the world changes, in principle, on whose side the ball will be, in that direction, the situation will change, well, the situation is the situation, but in general society, it is a society, it

adapts, even despite those grievances , which are now on both sides, on the russian side, that this will also influence from its side, you know, this is such a complex issue, in fact, there is a political layer on which it is being decided, and there is a certain socio-psychological layer, this is how much we can build relationships at the social level, as a basis for the future, why i say that it is important that this attitude on our part, towards social society towards other countries, so that it is friendly, because this is what the basis on which in the future we will be able to build these truly friendly relations, neighbors from god, it is important to be friends with them, be friends with the poles, be friends with the lithuanians, normal people, but at the same time our neighbor poland is rattling sabers, rhetoric

it is not at all friendly, in your opinion, they have this rhetoric, it’s just bravado, or they are still capable of moving on to some specific military actions, this is an attempt to shape the information space, yes, that is, they still have their it is very beneficial for the parties to form this idea of ​​an enemy dodge, because when there is this conditional enemy, the so-called one, they receive... as if psychological permission for those, for that behavior, for those solutions that, well, they would not have found support from aspects of their social society, yes, that is, this is still an attempt to sweep some problems under the rug, for example, yes, this is such a complex issue that it is impossible to say unequivocally that only this factor influences, and let’s not forget that these countries

that's all... if we are talking about the fact that germany has been completely hit, the phenomenon of this learned helplessness, when, yes, i seem to be helping you, but helping you, i am contributing to the fact that you are losing your ability, you are simply unlearning, you do something on your own, you get used to the fact that you have some external support or that someone. does this important work of yours instead of you, then over time, yes, this ability , it becomes like a rudiment for you, you can’t do it anymore, you can’t do it without this support from the outside, it’s like a way to then control and manipulate you, yes , perhaps you will be disappointed later or you will understand that in fact there was no friendship , as in the case of zelensky, but you will already be immobilized, well, there are

a lot of these examples, but in life he always behaves like a wolf in people's clothing, he promises a lot, history persistently teaches us, but we stubbornly learn nothing, that is, always every time, every new country thinks that it’s like with me, but with me everything will be different, that’s exactly with me , i will be his beloved wife, he will not beat me, well, then it seems to me that history teaches us that looking for friendship somewhere overseas is at least stupid, we will never coincide either culturally or mentally, we are there no... they’ll either be put aside for pancakes in the refrigerator, but you never know later such a concept will either be squeezed out the first, second, or at most the third time and thrown out like president zelelensky, which is why we are talking about the fact that we still need to be together, this is also strategically important, and not just from some.

it is our question, yes, and i have proved to us 100,000 times in history, i don’t understand how we are stepping on the same rake again, yes, well, in this case i mean ukraine, it is very important to study this historical past , why, because we can look at trends and strategies, tactics that this or that state is inclined to, this is usually , it’s somehow written down, it’s behind the scenes, especially since every 100 years the world is... a cycle, yes, well, and here it’s the historical past that convinces the fact is that these social wounds that exist today are alive, they will heal, because we also have such experience, well, yes, after the war, the great patriotic war, we retained the opportunity to communicate with the same germans, yes, despite the horror they did on our land with our ancestors, here we come to the information space, the question of how important education is, enlightenment,

the possibility of interaction between social society and certain people who can tell, reveal the picture, somehow towards realism, maybe bring society back , yes, that is, these are such subtasks, everyone listens to society, including the leaders of countries, yes, where in the poles we now mean, people go out to mass protests, you are probably also watching them, what is happening now, like you described it, what is it? in fact, the rating of the ruling party in poland is... negligible, yes, that’s why, let’s say, the same poland changed its rhetoric towards ukraine, yes, because it’s an attempt to support ukraine and meet those expectations from the west, yes in order to receive some kind of goodies, that is, it brought social society to such

a level of tension that the relationship between its power and its people, they have deteriorated so much that the threat, that’s how much i can keep my power in its place, has already become possible to be more influential, these internal relations and in order to please their social society, the ruling party , these pisovtsy, they tried to do the splits for both yours and ours, in fact, something like that... now the balance of power, yes , between two, well, sort of competing parties, this will be very interesting to watch in the future, because not only do they have to please the west, they have to please their social society, and they also

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on tv channel belarus 24. on the air again, say don’t be silent, our guest is psychologist alena deodina. let us also touch on an important topic - this is the currently blazing conflict between israel and the gas sector. what is your attitude to this story: where is the cause, where is the effect? the cause and effect can already be found it will be difficult, but that's it. what we were talking about, once upon a time there was a conflict, it arose from some point, someone said something to someone, offended someone, this historical offense was formed. the conflict, it was frozen, it was so smoldering, it was unresolved, the parties did not agree, and it