[000:00:00;00] raw, well, among other things, if you want to ask a question, here you see a qr code, join by pointing at it in the camera of your smartphone and send us questions, here is the second qr code, here you can read everything that is happening behind the scenes, it’s no less interesting, hello, let’s get started, well, in fact, the reason for our today’s program , of course, was last week’s meeting with the head of state, when it came to transportation and the need to regulate what is happening in this area, but this is so, for the general public, for people who are involved in daily transportation, who use the services of taxis, buses, minibuses, i think the need to restore order internally

has been a request for quite a long time. and you know, when we were preparing for this program, of course, we listened to different opinions, went so deep that at some point it seemed that we were really very late in making certain decisions, so let’s start with such a small episode, i’m now i'll ask ours editors to demonstrate a fragment that was recorded in 2021, you will see transport police officers and

those same unscrupulous carriers. well, i’ll explain briefly, the employees were on the raid, the employees wanted to check the documentation, including those of the carriers, this is the transport inspection, yes, the employees wanted to check the documentation, yes, integrity, and that’s what we see, comrades. when they see the inspectors, they simply leave or shoot them down, in fact, if this has already been done to people representing the authorities, regulatory bodies, then it seems to me that this issue really should have been dealt with much earlier, yuri konstantin, this is how it ended, firstly , this story, you probably know something about it, you’ve heard how often

inspectors encounter this. well, firstly, i would like to talk about history, of course, the guilty person received a well-deserved punishment, but we must say that carriers who behave this way, they endanger not only the transport inspectorate workers, everyone is in danger, who surrounds such a driver and vehicle, we all need to understand this today, and of course, when a driver, like the one we saw today, begins transportation, the very fact of providing this service causes a certain amount of, let’s say, worry about the fate of all the passengers, that’s what, and what were they afraid of in general, you probably already checked them later , re-checked what was specifically wrong with them, what they were trying to escape from, or generally everything, including conscience, well, with such carriers, as a rule , there is mass violations, and thus they tried to somehow avoid deserved responsibility

for their activities, in principle , there is nothing more here, look, there is an atlas inscription on the sides, and i know for sure that the majority of people who use minibuses, and intercity , they seem to trust, because they say, well, this is a reputable company, they work in russia , with something else, i have a question, how can you tell the difference, well, i’ll give you an example, you get on a minibus that goes in the direction, for example, mogilev, the driver comes out and says, names and signed, you are not passengers, you are an organized group, if they stop us, you are an organized group. everyone looks at it, everyone agrees to it, plus everything, if these are short distances, there, for example, from minsk to logoisk, two, three, five people ride standing, i understand that this is a certain kind of comfort, but comfort without security , got out of the metro, a minibus, got on, went off, paid a little, without even thinking, and you don’t really think about how to tell the difference, so i got out, how do i understand where to go, what

call a taxi, or even just get out and want to leave, like, well, firstly, today , official sources of information about the current traffic schedule are publicly available, such schedules are also present at stopping points, this is the first source of information that can we have a passenger today, and there is... if today we see that the driver is trying to convince us of something, or to persuade us to do something by deception , or is trying to convince us that we are part of some kind of organized group, it is clear that there is some kind of pretend activity here, the last question is trying to get us into it, so i open the application, look for a minibus, they tell me that there is supposedly kirova 4, i get out, there is a minibus, as usual , the whole parking lot is full, where cars should be parked, i get in , they don’t issue a ticket, i went, there is a schedule, there is a destination, this is far from a car, and when you use it for 3, 5, 7, 10 years, you understand that either this whole story is built into the system, and so you can, yeah, or

is it legal, again we are talking about the source of information, where we find our schedule, the internet, the application website , who posted this application, where did this site on the internet come from, a big question, so every passenger today must use verified sources of information, that is... we are talking about the fact that today is the schedule, it is today approved by the transportation operator or local contractors, if i have been using this application for 5 years already, and nothing has happened, here it is that i have been using the same application for 5 years, it seems to me that here, after all, the question is that, really , in the name of comfort, in the name of convenience, in the name of efficiency, but we want to quickly get from point a to point b, which means what we do when we want to go somewhere, conditionally, we type minsk-brest into google. if we need to get there, we look at what time it gives us, we understand, well, the train is no longer needed, buses run, perhaps not as often as we would like, a convenient option appears, quite a nice website, or better if there is an application there , you can

track it, we sit down and go, no one in particular wondering what’s going on, ekaterina, over to you, well, this is about a painful issue, in fact , because the problem is actually 15 years old, it didn’t even appear 5 years ago, that is, we are abusing those pro... those gaps in the law that exist in legislative, regulatory acts, unscrupulous participants began to occupy these specific niches, and there is a very good saying that ignorance of the law does not exempt you from responsibility, but knowledge, very much so, so they, looking for some moves, constantly used this right , abusing the fact that you are considered conscientious, well, look, even knowledge of the schedule.

they blocked the passage and thus killed the customers, or i, yes, of course, you don’t have to tell me about this , i can also give a lot of such stories on various routes, so we see even here the movement of both a private carrier and a state carrier is blocked, in fact, filming is being done from the bus of a state carrier well, i don’t think that such methods, well, competitive ones, it’s generally difficult to imagine what such a thing is like in our republic in general, it may actually be, because on some routes the nineties actually existed , you know, this is really my question, but to me as a passenger , what difference does it make, a minibus arrived, i got on, went cheaper, and that’s the main problem we have, that how can we generally define any service, for example, we came to buy shoes, but you choose them according to their organic nature, genuine leather or not, here the passenger was in the dark, he didn’t know, he, maybe somewhere we have information, unfortunately, not this way, maybe it’s not a question for the passenger to determine these moments, absolutely, yes, but how, that’s how, the passenger should not do this, and in general i

look at this situation, and i see it in this way, today we are speed cameras , technical inspection for cameras, right, right, everything is already working, accordingly, if we enter some kind of registry there. they give all the cars, why can’t we identify them using the cameras, vice privak said, deputy prime minister sivak said that this will happen, they will just look for them using the cameras, we are talking about what led to this, so why haven’t we encountered this before , because the market is growing, competition is growing on it , and the competition is quite large, everyone wants to make money, this is normal, but you know, well, it needs to be regulated, because it is turning into anarchy , there is no other way, i can even tell you... more , look, the sensational accident near smolevichi, yes, at the cost, well, it took 14 lives to pay attention to all the problems, which exists, and let's establish

a cause-and-effect relationship in general that happened, 14 people died, they died due to the fact that the truck was in the oncoming lane and the spring was broken, we all know, this has already been a trial, and we are not issuing any punishment, this is the first reason , the investigative connection, and now let's look deeper, in since 2003, and this fleet, which owns the vehicle, this truck, and they have buses and trucks, were constantly robbed by these illegal immigrants, that is... in fact, paying passengers were taken from them, but sooner or later this one here budget, deficit budget of the vehicle fleet, it will accumulate, it will lead to the fact that illegal immigrants are interfering with you to the extent that ekaterina is talking about, but they really are robbing, taking away the budget, or the question is different, in any case, it means that the work must be carried out in accordance with the current timetable and the question that you asked, how to distinguish, i think, this is the presence of a ticket

that would be issued in accordance with all the details, this will be the first difference, with regard to the adoption of this law, this is very in a timely manner, i think this is very correct, and at the stage of adoption now, this is very correct, because a lot of questions arise in the organization of road transport, so-called unhealthy competition is created, that is, when a traffic schedule has been approved, a schedule has been developed, a legal carrier operates it in 5 minutes... the carrier there in 10 minutes, let’s say, that is, accordingly, unhealthy competition, oh well, here it leaves from the station, we can’t handle this situation influence, well, look, you have to go to the station somehow, then it stands somewhere at a stop, yes, i’ll just give you the economic problems of this whole situation, the stations are crap, both in district centers and in regional centers, it’s just there no one comes, the business leaves from there, that is, the accompanying business, there are some stalls , cafes, everything that always works, leaves from there , public or private car parks that work legally with

bus stations cannot buy normal equipment for themselves, bus stations are closed a socially significant direction, because they are not profitable, and the private owner does not go there, because why go there, it turns out that eight or four cars of some illegal immigrant earn the money that the state could use to buy new equipment and, for example, in some social areas, among other things, few people say this, but city railway lines will also gradually begin to lose out to this business, because minibuses to zaslavl, minibuses to rudinsk, they simply interrupt what the railway is doing, i’m right in everything, everything is correct, this is what is happening , that is, the return on transport is falling for the state carrier, so here it is necessary to legitimize all this, this is the direction, this is correct, y’all they said, but it turns out that we are now talking about legitimizing, putting things in order, and so on and so forth, but why

didn’t our official carriers come up with such an initiative earlier, or were we simply not official carriers, didn’t come up with such an initiative, i want to say, since the adoption of the law on road transport, this is in 2017 , when the law was adopted, we, as an operator in the brest region, an organizer of transportation, means that until now we have held 83 competitions, 83 competitions, we have staged about 200 units of... stock on routes, that is, these are those that switched from irregular transportation to regular ones, but there were many questions that arose, of course, regarding schedules and on the routes on which they worked, that is, it was necessary to carry out competition, that is, in any case, only after holding a competition for the route, the carrier will enter into an agreement with the carrier operator, but it turns out that we see, it turns out that the same illegal carriers have put themselves above

everyone else... look, here for example, i’ll give minsk, i just don’t know that well, the bresse direction, yes, but minsk, this is probably the most popular direction minsk borisov through smolevich, departure from the national library, there are gigantic queues as soon as illegal immigrants leave there, is formed there. people can’t leave , people are being incited to say that how is this possible, and people are starting to stand up, we need to go, it doesn’t matter to us in what way, we should leave, how to deal with this? i just understand one thing: if suddenly we now ban everyone, illegal immigrants disappear, will the state, at least at the level of your enterprise, be able to replace this with technology or attract those who can work legally, so will we be able to make people say, ok good? we will drive

the way you want, that's right, coupons, schedules, but we want to travel, we definitely won’t lose four or five flights a day there, no, i think illegal immigrants will not leave, they will transfer, sign an agreement and work, i don’t think, do you think the state has enough capacity , well, if anything, we can do without them, no, i don’t know, how can we solve this issue, and the decree itself has not yet been adopted, yes, there is still a definite one. naturally, we must work within the framework of the law, this is not discussed, but we need to create a system according to which we will all, just as people want to leave easily and simply, not bothering about nothing at all, uh-huh, there’s a car, it’s standing, i got in, drove off, you ’re absolutely right,

it should be the same with carriers, he doesn’t have to perform a very large long chain of some actions, no, he should.. .come to this market, everything is simple for him, pay taxes, follow the rules, everything should be easy and simple , there will be a lot of cars, there will be half empty ones, everything will be enough, what you heard, from what you heard publicly from discussions about the upcoming changes to the legislation, it will allow us to decide to debug such a system, just imagine, starting tomorrow, all illegal immigrants are banned, whatever you want, there should never be a general responsibility , we have always had, that’s right, some legal carriers, who did everything right, everything is good, they are the first interested in ensuring

that there are no illegal immigrants, they always fight with them, first of all, well, it’s not even the state that needs to fight, but those who fight are those who do everything well and... correctly, this is very important for them, but i have a question, you just understand, the problem is much bigger lies deeper starting with financing, yes, today we have leasing companies that issue cars to both legal and illegal carriers, you know, and then they watch which one wins, they say, we don’t care how you pay taxes, we don’t care how you drive, this is purely a question of profit, well, it’s impossible to talk about what we will now call for. here to someone's conscience, prudence and responsibility, but in reality business is business, it is clear that everyone is mainly looking out for their own pocket, here we are talking about what we are now presenting, we will have a register, as the deputy prime minister again said, there will be quite simple mechanisms for getting into this register, but

nevertheless, if you don’t find yourself in it, you ’ve been caught, you’re not carrying out, and you carry out this activity, then certain very serious... measures will be taken, it always works like this, i apologize, it always works like this, as long as this business brings in more money than they will spend on their illegality, they will work, you understand that , here they brought the example is that i’m only afraid of making a mistake in the wording, that until they took over the property, until the carriers realized that they could lose their transport, yes, it could simply be confiscated, there was complete chaos going on, now it seems like the situation, plus or minus , has been resolved, that is, no one wants to lose money, aleksandrovich, look, it means that our minibus drivers have achieved one thing, they have really achieved a very good image in the eyes of an ordinary passenger, phone, i pressed, chose the time, near the metro, got out, sat down, off we go, everything about this

is great, except for safety, except for safety, how many people are there in general, and were they hurt, if there is such information? well, what could be the threat, because well, i rode a minibus myself, when you arrive, it usually costs you 2.5 rubles from the metro or to the metro , and it costs you a ruble to get to the metro from the metro, everyone is standing, about 10 people started, they pulled up , everyone jumped out, well, that’s absolutely right, you noted correctly, everything we were talking about here in the studio now is all about organization, organizing the work of these route vehicles, taxis and so on, we are like employees of the state traffic inspectorate of the ministry of internal affairs, and the last resort. which fights with all this, when it’s all out on the road and when they start violating traffic rules like this, as you say, standing, for a ruble, and so on, if we talk about statistics, let’s briefly touch on road traffic accidents, then if it weren’t for this tarry serious traffic accident, which we all hear today, then in general it must

be said that the situation is not so critical, today, based on the results of 10 months, statistics tell us that the share of all recorded road accidents involving route vehicles, for example, i’m talking now about road accidents in which people were killed or injured, is only 5% of all registered road accidents for 10 months on the territory of the republic of belarus, of all road accidents, that is, 5% in general, well, this is not a serious figure, let’s say, but when we talk about people’s lives and safety, of course, there is statistics to say, you know, after the topic of such publicity was given, yes, the next day more and more information began to appear that guy was conducting raids, which means they were stopping minibuses, minibuses , drivers were simply checking me. i was amazed that there were a certain number of drivers in a state of alcoholic intoxication, well, that is, they are generally drinkers

, at the moment when we are talking about driving while intoxicated there, for personal purposes, it doesn’t fit in my head, here is a person beret responsibility for the people he carries, and i myself know of a case where in the same yandex taxi the drivers were clearly in an inadequate state, but an ordinary person cannot understand, these are the peculiarities of his behavior, there is some kind of smell no, or he is really inadequate, and when trouble happens, then who will be responsible for it, well, of course, the person paid for the service, he wants it to be safe, gets into this route vehicle and moves around, our people are not they think about safety, that's the last thing they think about, believe me, they think, i’m talking about this, i know, because there is a lot of information and messages from citizens about violation of traffic rules by route transport drivers. taxi vehicles call, they report, we react, we figure it out, according to statistics, route vehicles have 126 road accidents, 16

people died, 160 were injured in 10 months, this is at the level of probably last year, the level, well, you can be optimistic and we can continue , yes, as for violations, you said that you really allow yourself get behind the wheel, in a state of alcoholic foam, i’ll stop here too, i’ll probably tell you in more detail, here our colleagues at the meeting for 10 months sound... the figure that they brought to justice for various violations in their area is about 9,000, if not i’m wrong, yes, out of 109,000 violations , state traffic inspectors over 10 months in our country caught 15,000 administrative offenses related specifically to the transportation of passengers, and here , unfortunately, attention is drawn to the fact that even in this field of activity we 17 drivers were detained who were driving while transporting passengers while in a state of stupor, 63 drivers did not have the appropriate licenses, imagine, they do not have the appropriate category rights to get behind

the wheel and transport passengers, i’m not even talking about other offenses, there are thousands of them , just thousands of violations of the rules for transporting passengers , that’s what you say, standing, sitting, not wearing a seat belt, and of course, the condition of these vehicles themselves also , unfortunately, leaves much to be desired, tell me, and what, i beg your pardon, is the situation with category buses. m3, there are more violations, fewer violations, large tourist buses, no, for large tourist buses , there are just incidents and statistics indicate that the situation there is more or less normal, the problems today are precisely the route transport means, minibuses, i apologize, i would still like to emphasize one thing, because i just represent the association of carriers that deals with m3, this is large tourist buses, looking at our new decree that is about to come out

, i would still like for us to separate m3 and others, look, why, why, because these are not regular transportation, and taxis are irregular and m3 is irregular, but these are completely different things, they are like an airplane and a taxi, and tourist taxis, but completely different, i understand, but they take everyone’s bread, no, why not? forgiveness, we have to disagree, and we must understand that the m3 bus if he gets into a traffic accident, then accordingly the number of victims may be completely different, one case per thousand, uh, so i asked what statistics we have, the register should regulate the entire sphere, because our illegal business activities, it will simply switch to buses with a larger capacity, this impunity, which is already correct, and first minibuses, now they will be larger, but again, it’s one thing to buy such a gazelle, absolutely. look, this is probably the best one simple question, when a driver goes on a flight, he usually undergoes a medical examination, right? this is the medical examination, how does it generally go

for illegal immigrants? for example, i’m also talking on weekends, no, why, they come to the clinic, they are stamped with leaves for a whole week, they travel with these leaves for a whole week, well, also, well, there are different options, let’s say, in the course of undergoing a medical examination, the biggest problem for irregular... today is that it is impossible to track their work, that is, he completed a flight today, nor travel documentation, he does not keep anything, even if some kind of regulatory authority comes, it is simply impossible to conduct a documentary check, to establish the fact of transportation there in a week, in a day. and of course, in order to make it even more difficult to somehow take measures against him, he will also try not to pass. if we're talking about the city, we have a lot throughout the city. video surveillance on every pole, almost at large shopping centers, at train stations, at bus station buildings, establish the fact that there

was a specific vehicle there, i think. the very fact of the presence of a vehicle does not prove the fact of transportation, because the transportation of passengers must be confirmed by the payment of funds, the conclusion of some kind of contract for transportation, even if it is a public contract, or it will not be accompanied by documentation, but the presence of the vehicle is road, this is not yet a condemnation of the transport action, maybe, maybe tighten it up, listen, well, here we are we all know perfectly well how our surveillance cameras work, but for the lack of technical inspection for speed, now a second, i’ll finish, so how is it that we didn’t... toughen this punishment? so that’s the point, we don’t have liability , you know, it’s very difficult to prove who was driving, okay, i understand everything perfectly well, we are faced with such a collapsing anarchy, which in essence really is destroying business, taxes, we are deprived of taxes, and at the same time our security suffers, but we at the same time, we say no, we won’t do anything , but there is parliament, we will appeal to parliament so that we are adopted, we are in

parliament and speak out, i’ll remove the offenses. that’s all the car is, even the driver will be visible on this, but here the traffic police have already turned into investigators , you can’t set a deadline for the chief, everyone, so therefore it is necessary to place responsibility on the owner, yes the owner, and then let him exact it from the one to whom he handed over the car, because if we are talking about cameras recording technical inspection or speed, there in any case , the owner will be held accountable, and then he will have to prove that it was not him, but if i record this as an individual and send it. according to the code of administrative offenses of the application, it is not a fact, most likely, that it will simply not be established. well, here we are right now for a second, we’re still with us right now, i’m saying, now we won’t fit in, but it happens, we ’re talking about taxes now, this is how much the state is losing from all this, just so that we understand what kind of figure we’re talking about speech?

well, for 9 months the unpaid budget was set at 7.5 million by the financial investigation authorities , the country lost about 3 million dollars only because someone traveled from january to september, well, taxes are one thing, the second was said here, repeatedly about that , that firstly, there is no healthy competition, how can a state enterprise compete with a private owner, who every time comes up with some kind of scheme just to avoid paying, or in general, that is, we have had such situations, here are the citizens turkmenistan organized a business in minsk, but they worked for less than a year, the amount of unpaid taxes is more than one million, so they didn’t pay anything to the budget, nothing at all, they drove all this time, yes, they have more than a thousand cars, i have a question, how there wasn’t any, there’s nothing, there’s no license, the traffic police have removed the registration, as can be the case in belarus, well, the thing is that probably someday they’ll want to find the culprits, yes, that is, how did this even happen, of course, for now this is all very behind the scenes, it was cancelled. licensing for domestic flights, all over

the world, is such strict regulation, did you want the best? who already work for the whole of russia, internationally, they have a license, they value this license very much, yes, yuri konstantin, you wanted to say, i wanted to say about the prospects of the register, which is provided for by the draft presidential decree on the control activities for which they said before that the registry is very promising in this sense, why, because today we underestimate the capabilities of some electronic systems, here we are talking about what there is... systems for ordering transportation in irregular communications, private owners or illegal immigrants there, they have long appreciated these prospects, which are embedded in some kind of software, but control will be carried out using a registry it’s also possible, for example, you can take the database of the transportation manager, according to the transferred orders and compare it automatically, the person goes into the application, and i can see who registered there, the same number is there, these databases

exist today, it’s just that these databases exist today no one evaluates the carrier’s compliance with legal requirements; if we have a register, in this register there will be not only the carrier, but also the vehicle, information about the technical inspection of this vehicle, insurance, automatically the computer will be able to compare the two databases, or software , who will be responsible for monitoring punishment? probably the transport inspection, today we are talking about the fact that the owners and operators of the registry will have a transport inspection, therefore the transport inspectorate will be able to evaluate, all of these... one right one, that is , everyone can use this base in order to evaluate, control and fine, of course, this will be invaluable, but what about the register that is in the drivers’ decree, here

what is the problem, the most basic one, which means the problem of the driver registry, in our opinion, it is also absent, because if the registry contains information about each driver , including the presence of certain documents, this is advanced training, this is a medical certificate, then accordingly . maybe provide information to the carrier and the dispatcher that the driver does not meet the requirements of the law and he cannot participate in the transportation of passengers, and accordingly, even the dispatcher will understand and know that it is impossible to transfer the order of any passenger to this car driven by a certain driver, now a second, alexey nikolaevich, i have the last question in this part of the program in order to understand, if a register appears, to get rid of illegal immigrants, that you, as the head of a regional transport enterprise. can you do what you don’t have enough to do, what are you ready to close, what to do? i think the first thing to improve here is the quality of passenger service, why, because at the moment all these illegal

carriers that exist, yes, each created their own platform, their own website, which only a few passengers knew, yes, this should be combined into some kind of unified system so that we know from point to point b, we can get there by such and such a route, such and such a carrier, which yes it is. in the register, that is, this is primarily an improvement in the quality of passenger service, because at the moment, in fact, there are both atlasbus and superbus, each with its own electronic website, where you can order this service, here, first of all, this is an increase quality of service, and secondly, of course , safety of transportation for passengers, and guarantees that if something happens, it will be possible to receive at least some kind of compensation. the simplest example, the simplest example, i already said it, yes, it’s okay, we’ve already

we work absolutely calmly on the air, which means the simplest example is the direction of lagoisk, smolevichi and borisov, i just saw the queues there with my own eyes and the illegals do it in such a way that it’s good, they put pressure on us, we removed three cars, people come, they stand in line, they wait for an hour, now it will be winter in the cold, there are no cars. who is to blame for the state, why they do this, and why they didn’t let the car in, but i have a direct connection with the minsk-lagoisk minibuses, this riot happened right here, this was an attempt the same pressure as there was in 2018, but the point is clear, well, look , in what other activities can there be such that the director of the organization says in an interview, i have been carrying out this activity illegally since i was 18, and as you understand, and i’m asking, i’m asking, we know that there are sites, there are people who... the fines weren’t scary 80-100 basic they drive, they didn’t stop driving when they have programs on how to tighten this up, if i can answer your

question, so what is the problem, i i’ll try to explain again, there is a certain number of passengers on the route, and if a transportation operator today sees that the buses are 30% loaded, he understands that there is no need for any additional vehicles. introduce on this route, there is no need to reduce the interval between buses , this is the shadow transportation that our irregular carriers provide today, they thus create a problem on the route, they mislead those people who organize transportation, as soon as they leave, this question, just tell me, if you know, that means the owners of transport companies, i don’t know, state carriers, they know that conditionally, at 9:00 in the morning their bus leaves there from... in the morning, they know that the illegal carrier will arrive there in 10 minutes at 8:50, so maybe he will have a peak and there will be demand, so maybe it makes sense to move

his schedule a little, real okay, yuri stepanovich, the question is, that’s how in the city this whole story is being resolved, we can see everything perfectly near the station, everything, for example, clogged. parking minibuses, how is it, how to avoid all this, how to get them to go to the station, how to attract them there, so that taxes are paid, how? well, at the moment, we can say that the problem has practically been solved in the city , this year, taking into account the position of the city leadership in interaction with the transport inspection by the state traffic inspectorate, we already see order in the city center, there are babruisk minibuses, paid parking, this is somewhat of a nuance , yes, well , they are standing near the library, near the library, we touched on that

directions minsk-logoisk, here is a commuter service around the city, here we are talking about what to further develop, that is, we have a friendly, we are trying to make a proposal here, and streamline a kind of hub, since i will say that irregular traffic is becoming legal , we’ve only had competitions since april of this year, minsk mogilev, for example, minsk baranovich , a colleague left, confirmed, well, that is , the work is being carried out actively, that’s what concerns, wait, what concerns flights, yes, for example , relatively speaking, not very much popular ones, take a stone hill, for example, borovlyany, or borovlyany, shabany, these are some things that, for example, the state minsk-trans does not take upon itself, uh, in this regard, how they come and go, for example, taxis - routes, they say that they are closing some routes, there is some kind of government on them, there is a proposal that you, for example, propose, undoubtedly, yes, this is already our plane, our work, these proposals are being worked out here with carriers, we have about 100 of them,

carriers, one large of them is a country, about 60 routes around the city and suburbs have been organized, so they, the carriers, actively communicate with each other, well, of course , transportation there is not subsidized, they count on profit, that if anything happens, taxis can always come to your aid, dmitry, that’s what we’re talking about that all people are for comfort, for speed, so when yandex taxi appeared in our lives, well, before that uber, instead of calling the dispatcher on the phone, negotiating, give me a car back and forth - then you entered the address into the app and went, and indeed no one thought about whether uber and yandex are, in fact, real taxis, and what kind of deception they entail, well , for starters, let’s say that even before uber and yandex we had our own applications that worked,

the only thing that didn’t possibility in our application to register a card and pay by card by debiting money from the card, there was no such system, this system was brought to us by uber, we need to understand the difference between how our taxi dispatchers work and how , for example, uber or yandex works, yandex uber debits all the money from the passenger's card to its current account, previously this money went to the netherlands, and then that part was returned to the carrier, which part remained 23%, the rest... part was returned, but here our dispatchers work differently, for us, all the money is debited immediately from the passenger’s card, goes to the carrier’s bank account, so there’s a nuance here, i digressed a little, but from the question, the nuance here is that we also had an application, but when yandex entered the market, we say yandex uber - it's the same, it's the same thing yandex uber is one and the same thing, uber immediately came in, then yandex came in, then they

merged in 2018, this is one. and this company, as you said, the phrase was the state is to blame, not the state is to blame, those people are to blame who allowed such a situation when the company does not fulfill its obligations, according to the law on road transport, road transportation, the company enters the market with us and says, i am not a taxi dispatcher, and i will not perform all the duties that are prescribed by law, who are you? we are a platform, we are an aggregator, we are a service, on the machines that are written on them, all partners of the service. that we do not have such a concept as an aggregator in the legislation is, in principle, true, but the minister said this and the minister was still the first deputy minister of transport back in 2019, so i have an answer where he says that yandex and uber are taxi dispatchers , but the problem is that no one else supported him, that is , the ministry of taxes supported him after 2 months, a year later they said, no, we don’t even know what they are doing, the main thing for us is taxes, the ministry of labor, we have nothing to do with it, marr.

we have nothing to do with it, no one has anything to do with it, and the situation turns out to be that the transport inspection remains to blame, because we see a problem on the road, we don’t see a problem; the gi inspection is already monitoring what happened, they are already monitoring what ended up on the road, the question is how it ended up on the road, and it ended up thanks to yandex uber, which doesn’t care about our legislation and doesn’t care... who to give the order to now dmitry stanislavich, the question is, if they pay money in holland, well, we ourselves understand , look, since they left, for example, i know that russian, moscow legislation in particular requires the presence of servers on the territory of russia and moscow in particular, we want belarus, this is what it will give, we will save taxes, what will we do, what will we see , transparency of the revenue that goes to yandex, to uber, that is. we see the revenue

, this is the second point about what was said here, that the money goes directly here namely to yandex or to uber, they leave then they return, not even to the carrier, but to that company to the intermediary between the driver and yandex, and he is, roughly speaking, like a willing, well, automobile carrier, but i don’t call him a automobile carrier, because he is not exists, it doesn’t exist, it’s just a name, the last one, when we opened the schemes , there were companies there, these information resources acted for tax agents so that they not only showed the numbers, yes, how much tax should be collected, because we have the numbers, the money no, and we even brought it, with a minimum payment, if we allow them to make

a single rate of 7% and the information system itself will pay for them to the budget, and then transfer it to them minus the cash they received when ordering 100 rubles and with the very minimum number of machines... which goes on line, the budget will receive 63 million rubles, this is with the very minimum. firstly , excuse me, i’ll interrupt, i’ll say that firstly, these companies will not want to take on such obligations, for example, the same the yandex company, it doesn’t need this, because it wants to control everything completely, fine, but now we are talking about the fact that , having heard that changes are being prepared to the legislation, they begin to transfer it here, not everything is so simple, wait , let's take it in order, if what the minister said is already what you said, he said in an interview... krutalevich on the bt tv channel, yes, at the same time, this company gives me an answer, the belga core company, which has been operating since august 25 we are registered, she writes in plain text: i passed by car, vitebsk numbers, he was sitting - a citizen, some central asian comrade

was sitting somewhere, it was very difficult to perceive the information, i said, where is your office, he says in vitebsk, i said, where should i write an appeal, why can’t you give me a check? he says, i don’t know, so i contacted the belogorp office, which is on derzhinsky, you understand, there is complete hypocrisy of this company, yuri konstantin, then i have a question, if we have sorted out the minibuses and buses, and those who carry out the plus- minus, yes, those who carry out these transportations, like taxis, yandex is the same, they also belong to those who carry out irregular transportation. how do we and how will the creation of this registry affect them, how will this activity be reflected in general, will this resolve the issues and requests that we are about to come up with? yes, of course, in our opinion, this will solve almost all the issues, today the legislation contains the duty of the dispatcher to transfer

orders to drivers of taxi cars capable of fulfilling the order, but the dispatcher actually today does not track who receives the order whoever performs it, that is, he does not see, firstly, he physically cannot do it, the register. he will eliminate all these gaps, why? because, well, today there is such an opportunity, with the help of a software algorithm , to make it so that, according to the agreement that the dispatcher and the carrier conclude between themselves, the dispatcher still sees the vehicles that he attracts, that is, yandex should in any case in order to work, he will have to become a dispatcher or a person who must understand that there is such an understanding as a feigned activity, in our opinion, the judgment that yandex is not a dispatcher, this is a feigned activity, in fact it is a dispatcher, yandex today receives money, not for some kilobytes that it transferred via information systems, today he receives a percentage of the cost of transportation, this means that he submits an order for transportation, by law he is a taxi dispatcher, but he

does everything in his power not to be one, the question here is the following, right now in interview, and in my opinion ont also comments there, dexgo says, so i... i’m already working according to the law, wait, you don’t recognize yourself as a dispatcher, but there will be a decree, wait a second, a decree will regulate the activities of the dispatcher, but he doesn’t recognize himself as a dispatcher , look, i don’t recognize myself as a store, but i will comply with all the rules that the decree imposes on the store , this is simply hypocrisy on the part of this organization, okay, no questions, now tell me what quantity, let’s at least take minsk, what quantity is in minsk legal and illegal. taxi about percentage, which means i will answer in such a way that it is clear : we - in the month of january, january-march, made 428 orders, two cars left, saw us, left, the rest came to order, we asked the question if we could pay

according to the card, can we get a check at the end and saw the external design accordingly, we are not inspection bodies, we could not ask if you have insurance, do you have a semi-annual technical inspection? do you have taxi courses, that is, the rest we can’t do is who did you call? we did this for the yandex company, uberyandex application, as a result, the results were that 78% arrived without external design, 92% arrived without cash register equipment, without a cash register combined with a taximeter, 99% above arrived without a terminal, that is, in fact, from 400 cars, one probably, she could only do it, and it is unknown whether she has insurance for... the passenger, whether he has a technical inspection, whether he has courses, whether he has an employment contract with the carrier, traffic police officers stop him, in principle they can stop him, we don't check ticketsgo? today they do not have a colorographic coloring for the most part, we identify them as an ordinary

passenger car, the concept of whether it is carrying a passenger at that moment or not, we do not ask, absolutely right, so we only check the documents provided for by the rules of the road, accordingly we also look at the visual inspection they don’t check, they check for 2 years, and the technical inspection in taxis is six months, no one checks, and after this decree all yandex cars must be painted like yandex cars. taxi in the decree states that the dispatcher has the right to transfer orders only to those cars and those drivers who are in the register ; this is to immediately select from the general flow of vehicles and drivers those who are engaged in activities, the inspector will see on his tablet if there is this register , he will be able to legally determine by the number of the car that it is illegal, if it is not in this registry and it has such a wonderful name, but i’m not a taxi, i called a transfer, a transfer is also

a taxi, wait, we’ll talk about it now again about the substitution of concepts, we must understand that the yandex company, with its service rules, has replaced the rules for the automobile transportation of passengers, which are approved by the council of ministers, if you take a taxi, order it, give you an example, just so you understand what we are talking about, you order yandex -taxi, a car comes to you and says 3 minutes is a free wait, then 7 minutes is paid, the question is who is counting. this is the time, so look, i’m explaining, according to the rules of road transport of passengers, the driver a taxi has the right to consider an order not completed after 10 minutes from the moment the car is delivered, 10 minutes , further in the rules it is written that the taximeter is turned on if the order for cash is turned on only at the moment the passenger boards and the route is agreed upon, that is, but with us the cost can be calculated online only taximeter, two types of taximeters, the program that we are using, which recalculates, it does not have... the right to count, we have a response from the state standard, which speaks about this, the problem is big,

the problem here is not only transport, here tax problem, okay, then let’s write in the comments, maybe there’s a proposal, yes, a proposal to create such a state-owned state taxi fleet, like our taxis are regulated in minsk and could really create something like that there, well, there was one with us in the early 2000s such a story, i’m afraid to comment here , that is, now to organize them into some kind of state park, i don’t know what to call it , not a state park, but a state information system, such experience was used yes, in hungary it was used; in kazakhstan , there may be a platform that will be controlled, for example, by the state.

there are such ideas, yes, this has been voiced and is being discussed now, including minusvyaz, well, the legal entity won’t let us collect it, the fact that it’s not just taxes, it’s all the control, what kind of unfair competition we’re getting now, so we’ve all gathered together, we live, give or take, in the same area and we will call all the taxis and disperse, we will not go by public transport, this is how it turns out, very, very convenient, but again they take it away passengers like a government one. if there is a regular message, believe me, we are controlled by everyone, we are absolutely, we cannot go around, how to control them, tell us, can we first learn about them, how to control them, control, with us i will say this, for me, that’s for to the taxi driver, i will say that this decree is not needed, i see that our state can now control all this if there is agreement between departments, but unfortunately we do not have agreement between the ministry of transport. ministry of taxes and taxes, we do not have agreement between the transport inspection,

there is the ministry of transport and , accordingly, the ministry of labor, because we don’t know whether the driver still has to be professional or not, i want to answer the next point that you asked, you are asking what will change, nothing will change with the adoption of the decree, if yandex not here in court it will not be proven that he is a taxi dispatcher, because the transport inspectorate, the ministry of transport claims that yandex is a taxi dispatcher, nothing has changed for 5 years, and there is no guarantee that it will change, yandex is moving away from the decree, in order not to perform duties, so that any car, any car can transfer an order, you see, this is the main problem , the driver works as the motor carrier allows him to work, the motor carrier works as the dispatcher allows him to work, and the dispatcher works as the state allows, if we do not control the work of the dispatcher, there will be no order, and this decree will not work, i wanted to say that dmitry most likely does not fully understand the norms

of the draft decree, which is currently on consideration by the head of state, again, the project contains norms that oblige the dispatcher to store information about forward orders and transfer it to regulatory authorities, this is the first second, it obliges the dispatcher to be on the territory of the republic of belarus, and there are also norms that provide for the possibility of restrictions access to the dispatcher’s internet resources, that is, if the dispatcher violates the legislation of the republic of belarus and is engaged in his dispatch activities without being on the territory of the republic, then this will be the basis for limiting passengers' access to it online, or a body that will block 10-2000 cars for this question, like about minibuses, look, but yes, there are illegal immigrants, we will suddenly stop and you will not go anywhere , well, they talk about the same thing, but we are talking about the fact that these are progressive actions, that is, we will have a transition period after the adoption

of the decree itself, for the same dispatchers, we today understand that many people perceive it. the liberalization that took place as the possibility of additional income, but but after clear rationing and ensuring these standards with some kind of possibility of a fine, restriction of access to the internet resource, of course, many will try to adapt to and become a question, if you allow me, i’ll continue a little, it means we have today there is already a practice after the seizure of vehicles, after the seizure of 100 buses of the m2 category, we are already confiscating, why is this, 800 cards for regular transportation, what does this mean, this means that the seizure affected the level of legal consciousness of our violators, eight times more buses came on regular routes from irregular than from regular vehicles, a similar impact will occur with the adoption of the project, which is this legal incident that dispatchers do not consider themselves dispatchers, this how can it be regulated, it means

that there is no trick here, we have norms in our legislation that, in principle , organize everything, there is article 167 of the russian code, which introduces the concept of feigned activity, and according to this article it is written that the transaction must be subject to those requirements to which, according to the essence of the transaction, it applies, if the transaction is, according to our legislation, transportation, it does not matter what you call it, there is a charter, delivery, everything else, we agree on the merits of the transaction, we recognize this as transportation and present the corresponding requirements, so if the dispatcher provides dispatch services, no one will look at what the dispatcher writes in the response, that is, with what words he hides behind, he is deceiving me. he me now he is deceiving, why are no measures being taken, if they are deceiving me, they are deceiving me as a citizen, where is the state protecting me, my state, this is aimed at this, look, that is, these are the norms, they streamline that process, that is, the dispatcher, he is not today will be able to act with impunity on the territory

of the republic of belarus from abroad, he will be here and there will simply be no other options. we still won’t find out everything here, we are trying to explain how it will work, i understand that there are a lot of emotions about what and why we need this draft decree, you don’t see the bell, we talked above about the carriers of minibuses, buses and so on, they actually see the point in this, so we probably need to look at it a little more comprehensively, they understood me correctly, you can now , i will outline the logic, if possible, this is how it will work in relation to the dispatcher, which means the dispatcher in case of transfer. orders, in violation of the law, will therefore be limited, its presence in the register will be limited, for a certain period, if he will allow some more severe violations, he may be excluded from the register for up to 6 months, and if he continues to operate on the territory of the republic of belarus, this activity will be illegal business activity and will include confiscation of all income as a result of

such activities and it will be decided by another su? so i say, when we go to court, yuri konstantinovich, when we go to court since 2019, yandex does not recognize itself as a dispatcher, i answer, i answer, yandex, if was not on the territory of the republic of belarus, then accordingly it was in court, he is not a resident of belarus, the moment he appears on the territory of the republic of belarus, such an opportunity arises, especially if it is accepted, i would like two important questions, now i would very much like to turn to the executive authorities . the authorities who are the customers of the routes, so that they , more than ever, support those carriers who have always worked in regular service, because in one of our regions they began to terminate contracts with regular operators in order to to reassure irregular workers, this is the first thing, and secondly, in the entire chain today we did not talk about the most important person in this entire chain, without him it is impossible to do this, this is the driver, we currently have so

many unresolved issues with the work regime and rest, salary, pension and so on, we have 30. we have 30 seconds to complete, i want to say that we are used to living in a state in which everything is regulated, regulated, so an ordinary person cannot even think that something's wrong with that one car, with the driver whom we trust with our lives, but it turns out that we need to be a little more careful and hope that the changes to the legislation that we talked about today will really correct and regulate the situation, it’s impossible to ask all the questions even here , but believe me, i agree with alena that you are simply surprised how this could happen in our country, we hope that the decree will

help figure this out. we live our own lives, according to our own laws, with our own traditions, but why should anyone interfere in the internal affairs of our country, they believed that they could enslave russia , seize its resources, a huge market,

enormous natural wealth, and they would live for another 300-400 years; in order to drive a european into a multinational russian, it is necessary to deprive him of the memory of what all previous attempts led to, the cossacks in paris, but these monuments must be removed. they leave their native belarus with the kindest