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expert from russia, alexander artamonov, although if you think about it, probably all serious experts lately have a military bias, i suggest starting with this, why, because if we look at the ongoing processes, we will see that all these old conflicts, they began to open up like abscesses, karabakh, ukraine, the middle east, the feeling that everyone has decided for themselves that there will be no more audit , there will be no more procrastination , that's any. no matter what, we will now deal with these problems, otherwise we simply will not go further, if you follow this logic, then the conclusion arises that the world in such a situation has two paths, either will be finished off completely, or will we finally jump out of this outdated principle, from this paradigm of controlled chaos, here we are, alexey valerievich, which is closer to which of these two options will we achieve or go further, well, i think it will be

some kind of middle, that is, a period... of such turbulence, geopolitical, economic, a period when some new world order will crystallize, its contours will appear, but this period, of course, will bring many problems, that’s when everyone will understand that these problems have already are excessive, they concern everyone, including the hegemon who is leaving, someone who may come to his place, then there will be a need to somehow agree on new rules so that conflicts are within some limits and no longer spread uncontrollably , well, it will be clear that we will have to somehow live together on the planet. that there is no need to destroy it and that new rules are needed for the new time. many had hopes for san francisco, what’s there, and some had fears, yes, like, for example, in our block, i’ll call it that, but we’ll see what’s closer countries did not, no, they did not, well, because the time has not yet come, in fact, no one

is ready for this, in america they are convinced that they will survive this period and maintain their dominance, yes, china, of course, has a reluctance to get involved into confrontation, obviously they have a different philosophy of development and gaining influence there, but as for the west and specifically the core of the west represented by the united states, they are very aggressively fighting for their place in the sun, it is obvious that they are losing their position, losing their authority, opportunity influence in different regions of the world at the same time, playing this game also weakens for them, so they become more aggressive and they use this strategy of chaos like this, we will create problems for our potential or obvious competitors, we will solve our internal problems, and then we will enter a new world, again in a high position, that's their strategy for now. andrey evgenov, what do you think? well, these shots from san francisco said a lot for me and the agenda that

the two main powers announced today in world economy, we once went through this stage in our soviet history, remember the famous phrase of boris... nikolayevich yeltsin, take as much sovereignty as you want, that is, when the union center has weakened, and conflicts have gotten out of control, and each of modern subjects of the russian federation, post-soviet republics began to fight under the sun for their piece of land, economy, power and sovereignty, and so now, as it were, two, two main powers, china, and the united states of america, they took half a step back, and as it were told everything to the world that we now have our own internal problems that we want to solve, for the united states, this is understandable, a very painful transition of power, they are dealing with their elections, these are problems with migration,

this is not an uncontrolled wave of these terrible crimes with weapons, that is, the proliferation of weapons in american society, problems of racism, and so on and so on, but an attempt to get into a new technological, economic stage of development, for china is the development of the domestic market, this is the creation of new production facilities, the same chips, these are problems in real estate market, these are global projects in eurasia in general, the two hegemons, as if, well, or the two leading economies of the world, have grown a little to the side, here really a varnish of time has appeared here, when countries that... want to strengthen their sovereignty, that they want to solve their long-standing geopolitical ambitions and problems, restore sovereignty, they are taking advantage of this step back of the world’s main leaders, and yes, we talked a lot about

multipolarity, but we said little about the transition to multipolarity, to unfortunately, more often everything happens through military conflicts, blood, alas, this is what happens, the fact that in san francisco, on the key problems of the world, the leaders of the united states and china did not agree, and the agenda there went to chemical production, to the bow, to who , what kind of power system, dictatorship, not dictatorship, who produces what kind of cars, just gave the world a signal that the next... year or probably a year and a half after it settles down after the elections in the usa, after it is possible to resolve it diplomatically and peacefully taiwan's problem is also internal

local elections there, then only after that , which means the main economies of the world will look, look around the world and say, well, yes , now let’s negotiate, and now let ’s see who can hold on to what, yes, well, let’s now... ukraine, which also, which concerned san francisco, and the date is special, it was exactly 10 years since the moment when a tent city appeared in the center of kiev, giving rise to the second maidan. back then, no one could have foreseen that what lay ahead was not just anti-government demonstrations, but shooting, snipers on rooftops, massive casualties of the establishment of a fundamentally new political regime in the country, only according to official data, 121 dead and more than 2,000 wounded, this is the result of the revolution of dignity, as it is called in ukraine, by the way, the first maidan of 2004, the so -called orange revolution, began on november 22, that is, tragically

... well, i doubt that this is what we traditionally understand by maidans, that is, the appearance of a mass of people in the square, the swing of the situation there, the political situation, because , firstly, such a situation has been established in ukraine. and i i doubt that anyone will even be allowed to get ready. another thing is that there is an internal reflection in the power structures; it is obvious that part of the military is dissatisfied with zelsky, and part of society is growing skeptical about the military victory there, despite the fact that the propaganda has intoxicated the majority of ukrainians. plus, there is obviously already pressure from the western side. the americans and some europeans are trying to push zelsky into the elections so that he... will go and lose, because his ratings are not so hot, that is, against this

background, they need to again get a trump card in the form of an enemy, image of the enemy and, accordingly, avoid changes in power, so zelsky is trying to do this, trying to maintain his position , but it is becoming more and more difficult for him to do this, because he is afraid, of course, not of ordinary citizens who will come to maidan nezalezhnosti, but of... unrest among the military, in some kind of power structures, and the cessation of political, financial, military support from key western countries, this is like death for him, most of all he is afraid of this, well, look, in kiev western pilgrims almost said, well, really, to the holy places, until they were completely destroyed by the kiev regime , and so last week the bigwigs were big western politicians. it was cameron, who, let me remind our viewers, is now the head of the british foreign ministry, arrived on monday the head of the pentagon

, the american austin, then the german minister of defense pistorius, the head of the european council charles michel, some others, what kind of support group is this, for what purpose did they come? well, on the one hand, indeed, this is primarily moral and informational support, to show that he is not alone, that they are still with him, but on the other hand, obviously, in my opinion, help will be reduced. and we need to explain, convince zelsky that this is good, that it is in his interests, perhaps someone is coming with messages, well, if we are not talking about the military, there are still certain political changes, someone is probably talking about elections, someone... then he’s trying to find out what ’s going on inside the ukrainian government, a reizor came to us, one of them is scanning the situation, they’re trying convince of some benefits. decisions for himself, trying to convince him that cutting support is normal, and

that guys, well, you had your homework, a counter-offensive, you kind of failed it, so let's think about other options that are not so expensive for you, so these auditors, that is, the position is being clarified and i think , gentle, maybe not very, pressure on zelsky in a beneficial way for western states, there is still one motive in these visits, because how... what was the hope, the hope was for the fact that, rebuilt according to the nato model, equipped with nato equipment, albeit old from the last generation, it will solve all all the issues at the front, that is, they will put these abrams there, they will put leopards, and they will put missiles, and they say the russians should have seen this and run, then the front should have collapsed, they should have reached the crimea, they should have cut the land... this channel to the crimea, but nothing happened, that

’s one of the motives, probably, as i imagine it, it’s also why didn’t you get it, and why weren’t you scared and ran, why didn’t it work, it’s huge, they say the amount is already 230 billion dollars, this is military aid, why didn’t it work, and if it didn’t work in ukraine, and where is the guarantee that it will work: in other conflict points of the world, but here you need to understand, another fact, i still wanted to roll back to this notorious maidan , coup d'etat, we have seen more than one, here we must not forget, by the way, the revolution on granite, which in kiev is remembered when students in their eighties came out in the ninth year, slept on the same maidan of independence, froze everything they could, but after each coup d'etat, the elite that came to the government offices became more and more irresponsible, less and less manageable, more and more corrupt,

less and less effective, this is some kind of curse of the great ukrainian people , when... this maidan foam raises, throws up, it would seem, people from the people, it would seem, people who know how to clearly formulate thoughts, who know how to stand up for everything good, but in reality it turned out that these are just talkers, these are charlatans in power, i really hope that there is no next maidan, i’m sure, i agree with alexei here that there will be no classic maidan, most likely there will really be a military junta, well look what a phobia kiev now has, secretary of the national security and defense council of ukraine alexey danilov, kiev is concerned that western countries are calling on it to engage in dialogue with moscow. they forbade you, zelsky forbade himself to negotiate, the president of belarus commented on this step several times, saying, well, this is just stupidity.

no, zelsky surrounds himself with arguments so that he can be removed as quickly as possible, like this one here. where he freely said how he was endlessly hunted , attempted, five or six said , in fact, attempts on me are the norm. many people began to say that, in general , he himself gave an argument for western friends so that at any moment everyone would understand to eliminate him, and this is how russia did it. still, i think it’s more likely the other way around, he wants to remain the only one... western politicians, this time the version of the arrival service and the current attention from russian foreign intelligence, i will quote: the west demands that the zelsky regime demonstrate to the world community the impossibility of russia’s victory in the ukrainian conflict, and for this

washington and london recommends to kiev reduce the conscription age to 17, increase the conscription age to 70. carry out additional mobilization of women, there is logic in this, yes, because, well, if someone monitors the information space of ukraine, it has already been there for about 2 seconds for half a month there has been a large-scale information campaign, which talks about the fact that women at the front in the army on the battlefield are good, that tens of thousands of ukrainian women are literally rushing to the front, and they say, look men, if women are rushing, then how embarrassing are you, making your way through these trees to moldovan territory, as was the video, or are you running away from mobilization , yes, how can you afford it, zhinki, or something for you, people will fight, no, come on, and yes, a large-scale company, when especially these are the scumbags from azov

neo-nazi battles go out into space mixed with obscenities, talks about the fact that no, the students will not sit out, and why an eighteen- or seventeen-year-old cannot be given a weapon in their hands, he is capable of fighting, he is capable of being that very meat at the front, it is his wife who solves the maidan issue , however , there will be no one to gather, well, i think we should trust the information that the russian foreign intelligence service receives and here, well, it’s like a double bottom, yes, on the one hand. western politicians can thus advise zelsky, well, they stay in power longer and longer, on the other hand, they understand that the longer this so-called resistance on the part of ukraine lasts, and russia, for example, slows down its progress

for some reason, the more profitable the subsequent negotiating positions will be for them, i think it was calculated there that, well... this is mobilization, where from 17 to 70 years , well, let’s say, it will delay another six months, or the negotiation process, or let’s say, active actions on the part of russia at the front, which means they there they will solve some of their problems, perhaps in power in the united states, perhaps elections will be held for the european parliament, they need this pause, but how to fill this pause with truly ukrainian cannon fodder, so that then in a year and a half and a half they will still end up... at the elections he will say: well, listen, here we already gave you the last chance, the ukrainian authorities, we have already mobilized, which means whoever is possible, again nothing worked out , well, that’s it, just let’s negotiate, here’s another nuance, because it’s not by holding elections that they hang zelensky on a hook, he ’s no longer legitimate president, he has a term

powers have ended, there are no elections, the state of emergency remains and, as it were, keeps him in this leadership chair, that is , he becomes a doubly controlled figure, this little figure on the cover of time magazine, going into the half-turn, which can be manipulated in any way, that is, you can nullify any guarantees that... were possible before and say, listen, well, we ’re keeping you, aren’t we? well, closing the topic of the maidans, all these years the ukrainians were instilled with confidence in such a near, bright future in a friendly european family, but the reality turned out to be completely different, this is how it is expressed in the european union itself, by hungarian prime minister viktor orban. our task will be to correct the erroneous promise to start negotiations, since ukraine is now many light years away from the eu, ” orban said, adding that preventing ukraine from joining the eu will be one of his government’s top priorities in the coming months. well, viktor orban is fighting

for the national interests of hungary, he understands that, relatively speaking, such a neighbor, but already a full member of the eu, is for hungary a huge problem, well, firstly, these masses of poor ukrainians are from a destroyed country, they will naturally go, including through hungary, someone. in hungary, bringing problems with him, that is, orban understands that there is no time for slogans and no time for beautiful pictures on the maps, yes, when borel declares, here we will accept 10 more balkan countries, or, that is, he, obviously he has these maps in his head, how the european union is expanding and approaching russia, but here the person understands that this will bring a huge number of problems, and none of them criteria, none... ukraine does not meet any of the criteria for joining the eu, either in terms of development, or in terms of respect for human rights, the rights of minorities, including the hungarian minority, yes, that is

, ukraine, this is its admission to the eu, this a huge mirage and phantom, both on the part of the europeans and on the part of the ukrainian authorities, but to maintain faith in this phantom, it is necessary so that there is generally some point in them fighting for something, just for the sake of this... this rhetoric use although now is not the time to strive for the european union, this is a bad omen, even dogs began to rush at european presidents, this is a curious moment, it is full of special symbolism, so we will touch on it now, although the actors there are not laughing now, and then the injured hand of president vanderbelin was caught on camera lenses, reports that he feels well, and of course we will take his word, so sandu explained that the dog rushed at... at the guests out of fear, there were too many people around, but if we seriously move on to this topic, that’s what orban said, but we are keeping the seeker, what is happening now on the polish, polish-ukrainian border, it also does not

seem like they were expecting ukraine to join the european union with flowers, except what is happening now on ukraine with ukraine, this is not a lesson that moldova and the baltic countries and poland should learn, the lesson is simple, that for the west the countries that surround them. these are never partners, they are a battering ram against the russians, aren’t they? we warned, and russian experts, leading economists warned the ukrainian authorities, even viktor fodorovich yanukovych, at the time of signing the association with the european union , that it would work against ukrainian interests, it would make ukraine just a raw material appendage, no markets would fully open for ukraine, especially the agricultural one. road transport, high-tech , the exploitation of ukraine will, in fact, from then on, after the sudden epiphany

of viktor fedovich, yanukovych, the maidan happened, now a coalition of countries that oppose against the real integration of the ukrainian economy into the european union economy, it is only expanding, i would pay attention to the elections in the netherlands, where for the first time... the party of geert wilders came out on top, which is precisely based on such national, if not nationalist interests, declares an extreme right agenda, again anti-ukrainian, so yes, ukraine , on the one hand, is not needed by the european union as a full-fledged sovereign, developed state, a full member of the european union, on the other hand, here... absolutely you are right, this is certainly a lesson for all those who, having lifted their pants and lowered their national

interests, excuse the pun, their economy, are trying to integrate, as it seems to them, into this garden of eden of bareilles, naturally in quotes. this is the most important topic , by the way, it will have something in common, i think, with what we talked about in the first part of the program, and the summit without pashiyan. let me remind you that exactly a year ago in yerevan, precisely because of his position, the final declaration was not adopted, then the prime minister of armenia stated that the odb had withdrawn itself from the armenian-azerbaijani. conflict. and now a year later the situation is developing, nikol pashinyan has actually withdrawn from events taking place in the post-soviet space. but at the same time , armenia is actively developing military cooperation with nato representatives, in particular france. in october , an agreement on arms supplies was signed in yerevan and paris, and although we are talking about very small volumes, it is not the details that are important here. the very fact that the csto country began to establish cooperation with a state

that is actually part of a hostile alliance. how should we feel about this? on the one hand, you need to understand the reasons why the armenian leadership is doing this, they accuse russia of the treaty of the treaty of not providing assistance at a difficult, difficult moment, although from a legal point of view, we should not have fought for karabakh, especially when armenia itself did not recognize it, and the armenian elite behaved very strangely in relation to this unrecognized territory, so this looks, on the one hand, like an attempt to shift the political responsibility of themselves onto the allies, they say they are far away, that’s the armenian society is here and it is necessary to show who is to blame, secondly, this is already the realm of hypotheses, the question is that the genealogy of the origin of the current armenian leadership, it, well, this is not a secret, is connected with non-governmental

organizations with the support of western countries , soros and others, so maybe this the deep-seated beliefs of these people, they understand that it is very difficult to break away from russia in this region, but some steps need to be taken in this direction, even if they are ritualistic and insignificant, but from such steps, then a certain path develops, the path of reversal, let's say from naturally. allies from iran and russia to the west, but again , in my opinion, this is an illusion, in a more severe form, we see how impossible this is, even in moldova, despite the fact that soros is a student there, well, it’s so obvious, that there is nowhere to put a brand, anyway it can’t turn around, because the difficult situation in moldova, in armenia is no less complicated, and if this is done,

well, relatively speaking, therefore, god forbid, the country could simply be torn apart, so here is a question of understanding and responsibility of the armenian leadership, first of all, to its people. our president recently met with the secretary general of the udkb, i suggest listening to the fragment, especially since it was also about ukraine. as for the implementation of the action plan for implementation, the decision of the collective security council of the november session of last year and the priority departments of the republic of belarus, the period of chairmanship, out of thirty-four activities, 32 were completed, two activities, unfortunately, could not be completed, these are, first of all, our international contacts with european and international organizations such as the osce, well, due to their position , the second question is the order of the collective security council to finalize

the decision. assistance from armenia were not adopted last year, but all other participants and allies supported this decision, but the armenians did not express any interest in this document, and moreover, in the final part of our work, they asked to remove it from the agenda altogether, armenia in in the face of its political leadership, in my opinion, they started a very dangerous game, betting on france, france, which recently began, well, received a serious blow in africa, and which is now trying to enter such a southern, southern flank of both russia and turkey and gain a foothold there, let me remind you, through georgia and armenia, that is, these two countries were chosen by france, i don't

know. will they be able to seriously realize their ambitions there, seriously harm russia and turkey, but let me remind you that such attempts are made simply in georgia, the president of georgia, france, the french ambassador to georgia and, in my opinion, one of the leaders of the french committee for strategic security , something it was called, that is, strategic intelligence, that is, it is simply a direct agent of influence in every sense of the word in georgia , and it was through georgia that these armored cars were supplied from france. here i am absolutely incomprehensible, the position, the logic, other than the one voiced by alexey, which means blaming russia, the treaty on treaty, our own losses on the battlefield, in modernizing the army and in building

a political system, i can’t find any other logic, i can't imagine how france could, or even the united states, will be able to ensure the security of armenia, except for such ritual political statements. if you read their telegram channels, you can see that individual politicians, here it must always be said that very different forces are represented in armenia, individual armenian politicians, in addition to the fact that they are trying to transfer their political problems to the csto, this is what we are discussing now, but at the same time , the presidency of belarus for this year is still so out of place that they say, look what you have led to, at least it’s ugly, well, this only an information campaign, as i understand it, to discredit the csto, and somehow our counterparts in nato and other structures need to smooth out that good, information surge that the csto’s participation in the kazakhstan january

events caused, that is, then we showed ourselves to be great , and now we kind of need to be dunked on, saying that you don’t have agreement among your friends , that’s absolutely true, well, plus you need to understand, indeed, there are signs of a split in armenian society, yes, prime minister pashinyan has serious support, demonstrated it at elections, but nevertheless does not have an absolute majority, which is why this situation is dangerous when, on the one hand, he makes curtseys towards the west, and sometimes on the verge of a foul, his meetings with famous women, and from ukrainian to ours, this is already. .. in my opinion, more than political gestures, this is a demonstration of a certain position , and this in itself poses a threat when two vectors diverge within society, what can happen is an explosion and a split, the stretching of the state into these

opposing camps and i see in this danger, because if this happens, naturally the neighbors will think, yeah, the armenians don’t have agreement, unity, which means we can think about further military-political actions, this is another attempt, probably on the part of nato, the united states and france , as the beholder, you chose france to oversee the region, an attempt to really drive a wedge into this triple alliance of three powerful powers, russia, iran and turkey, which, well, apparently, have already agreed on how it will be, how all conflicts will be resolved. in their borderlands, i remind you that turkey, the ottoman empire, iran, and russia were empires and decided the fate of these regions, now they are trying to come to an agreement and reconcile the entire space around their

borders, obviously, nato does not need this, and , you must understand that we are talking from minsk about what is happening in armenia, yerevan, and this is not just hypothetical, what is happening there in a sovereign country, no, we are very strongly interconnected, especially since they are members of our military. .. union of the bloc, this also affects our security, and we are for lately, we have realized that security is no longer limited to some territorial boundaries, we are watching what is happening in the middle east, our people are there, we watched with bated breath the return of this special flight from cairo, on board there were belarusian citizens, members of their families, 41 people were taken out of the gas sector, 22, a child, but you know, you can of course talk a lot about who has what interests, but when in your hands a child suffers or, god forbid, dies, the whole world is collapsing, how many such destroyed worlds have we seen over the past year, and

at the same time we are seeing that the switching of these peace war modes is happening at incredible speed, i would like to ask you to summarize our conversation today with a reflection on the topic... it’s clear, that there are no universal recipes, but this is our fuse, so that at all these points of instability we can go through this period when the world is trying to determine how we will continue to live. well in my opinion there is a few recipes, firstly, if we are still talking about a certain highest level of decision-making, goal-setting, there must be a clear picture of the world so that no illusions, promises, messages from very cunning politicians, figures, especially western ones, could cloud the reality, we have, we have these guidelines, a clear understanding of our own position, who is our ally, who is our partner, neighbor, but we have this. and we see with whom we really build positive creative

relationships, this is the first thing, that is, we need to have this picture of the world in our head, and without illusions, second, this, of course, seems banal, we repeat it all the time, but this is internal unity, if it doesn’t exist, if the interests of different parts of society diverge in different directions, i already said this today, well, there will be an explosion, there will be a split, and we have seen this 100 times in the examples of different countries, including... close to us , ukraine, moldova, georgia, armenia, russia, it used to be in the nineties, this is still to preserve, cherish, protect this unity, strengthen explain it somewhere out there, perhaps to our lost citizens who they believe in some illusions that there is reality, our policy is based on reality, that is , we lead to that picture of the world so that there is no ideological split, then we maintain inner peace. we strengthen our own security and can

keep the outer perimeter of the border from sliding into conflict and war. these are the basic elements of this recipe. let me add briefly: humanity and justice are what distinguishes our domestic foreign policy. and in the situation of saving people, our people, members of their families, children from gas sector, the humanity, justice, and injustice of all those forces that are attacking the belarusian statehood, our people, are trying to drive a wedge into our unity. well, i thank our guests, thank you very much for this conversation, alexey dermant, andrey krivasheev, but we are not finished yet, in a couple of minutes of communication alexander artamonov. we continue, on the website from the studio there is an authoritative military expert, although his range of interests is the main thing. competencies are so wide that it’s hard to choose just one

performance, however, the tv viewer and the huge internet audience are very familiar with it, so i am glad to welcome you to us alexander artomov, alexander germanovich, hello, good afternoon, greetings everyone, hello, well, we have been waiting for this meeting for a long time, i admit from the doorway, because a lot of questions have accumulated , not everyone has the answers, i’m sure you have them, i suggest starting with a loud one, and then let’s try to get deeper into the essence of world processes, the recent meeting between joe biden and sidin brought pina back to the agenda is talking about a possible confrontation around taiwan , very soon there will be elections that risk affecting the fate of the entire region, possibly the world, so in these negotiations between the united states and china, what did you see, rapprochement or even greater rejection of each other? well, you know, dmitry, i would say that , of course, no rapprochement could happen, even on those premises that

actually pit one power against the old lion, in this case i’m talking about the usa, or, to use american terminology, the good duck, that's what they call the outgoing president, who is ending his term, regarding such a challenging china, again the term is not accidental, due to the fact that indeed in the 19th century, let us recall the committee of 300, this is very important. the term 300 ruling families of the world, that is, these families, according to british american intelligence data, people who served there, like john coleman, like some others, rule the world, and so since the 19th century, china has tried to poison with drugs, opium wars and by any means minimize its influence even in asia, so china survived, rose, we see result, and according to the dynamics of the event, along two multidirectional vectors, it is clear that the processes, according to the general political science

logic, laid down by machiavli and even before him, if we take the art of war, such processes will continue, but if you pay attention to some specifics of the ongoing negotiations, what kind of friendship can we talk about if china immediately made a declaration, in response to the country, i would say, well, quite in the spirit of the us president, biden’s statement immediately after the end that sizenpin is a dictator, at least for him respect for the head of state, absolutely regardless of the size and international weight of a given state , it was only by chance that this phrase did not escape biden, given that he is an elderly man, suffering, as some say, from dementia. well, i wouldn’t say that this could have happened just like that, but for the reason that let ’s look a little at the position that biden takes regarding inven, this is the current president, a woman from taiwan, who

recently traveled to the usa, already this year, 2023, and how it will be there received, let us remember, her scandalous visit, the former speaker, accordingly, so to speak, of the american, so to speak, american legislative body, her sensational trip to taiwan, contrary to the so-called policy of duality, again a completely official term, embiguity stripes, if we take english a term that suggests that the united states recognizes only one state, the people's republic of china, but has some of its own relations with taiwan, some of its own relations... which, you see, is built on the visit of the top officials of the state to a territory that declares its dissidence, that is, a dissident course, well, at least a country for the united states, by the way, the logic is absolutely international, because since 2018, several countries have severed relations with

taiwan, after taiwan took a course towards intransigence, it’s not for nothing that i said that tsaa inven takes such a course and travels to the usa on a private visit, but as a person representing his democratic progressive party, so she and her democratic progressive party want confrontation with mainland china, so the countries of the international community absolutely do not want this, because somewhere around 7-8 countries have severed relations; there are only 13 countries remaining that recognize taiwan and, in fact , some kind of independent units, look, here we are, please excuse me for interrupting, but we that's really it. we are seeing now that long-standing conflicts that have been smoldering for a very long time, the middle east, ukraine, nagorno -karabakh, for some reason they are starting in our time, this is not untying knots, this is cutting knots, and we see that taiwan - this is a long-standing question and after this meeting, as you say, everyone remained to their own opinion, should we wait for it to come, or could it come to a war for

taiwan, how far can this situation go, dmitry, in my opinion, again we need to look at accurate data, because there are different ones, my colleagues, some with all the fury of the red guard attacks on capital, make forecasts, but forecasts are always made, in my opinion, on the principle that war is a continuation of solving economic issues by other means, the extreme expression is everything - the relationship between states, when we cannot agree, then, as they say, we are at war, and unless we are talking about some kind of messianic projects, well , maybe we’ll talk about this below, so let’s look at the possible prerequisites for such a conflict, as we were taught back in the soviet , let’s say, the constructive school, that is, we need to analyze everything as a whole, in totality, if we take the us debt to china, this is an insane debt, it is second in a row after japan, the most us money is in

foreign markets, i emphasize foreign markets japan is getting expensive, it's getting expensive, it's worth 1.13 trillion dollars, let me remind you. trillions come after billions, yes, and they owed china something like 860 billion dollars, the second largest debt, but if you remember exactly, it’s 859.4, but naturally japan can’t object, it’s occupied, japan has no right to do anything at all say the usa, because on the territory of japan, by the way, as on the territory of georgia, the usa has the right to move without even reporting anything, without notifying, or rather. order, so to speak, informed about this by the body of the country, that is, the state, so to speak, there is a president, parliament, japan is occupied , and china is naturally sovereign, so consider that the first foreign sovereign debt is the us debt to china, why should china kill its own duzhnik, well, of course china can hardly cope with the united states

is unlikely to accomplish its tasks, but nevertheless, why should it enter into hostile relations with it at all? this is entirely on the principle of force majeure, force majeure, to cancel. debt obligations will at least freeze them for decades in china this is not necessary. ukraine is closer to us, here bloomberg writes: zelsky fears a new maidan being prepared in ukraine. well, everything is predictable here, as always, statehouse is guilty of everything and that statehouse, i take quotes in this case, i quote, in ukrainian society: russia, although we see that lately there has been continuous criticism around zelsky, and it comes from everywhere, in kiev they are urgently looking for a successor, they call it ermak, zaluzhny, everything looks as if zelsky is being quickly dumped, in your opinion, they are dumping him, in my opinion, they are dumping him, for the reason that - zelsky, firstly, is such an ugly duckling, a derivative of two logics at once, how did such a crooked child of western

imperialism come about, forgive me for the poster stamp, but for the reason that he, let me try, as always, to speak with facts, but this is given out, and his convoy, which for some reason is called security, consists of british special forces officers, well, for some explanation, there is actually a set of normal special forces... believe me, i am still a member of the supreme council of the federation, law enforcement agencies russia, kremlin 9, i myself am a veteran special forces gray beret of the third degree, so the usual set of such a guard includes a wire to something that in a second, everything is possible, you know, in this regard, as far as this is security, as far as this is a convoy, this is very it’s a very big question, it’s a big question among the westerners, not among us, well, well, here... i won’t say what’s included in ours, because it’s a military issue, now, based on less colorful, but no less important details,

i’ll note that then, when zelensky was flying, i continue to give facts to the meeting, in the american parliament, when the parliament was still hosting him, this is a previous visit, not the last, but the penultimate visit, he flew on an american plane, i know what kind of fuss there was around the sofa, remembering the classic ostrugatsky, or the undercover fuss that he flew on an american plane , as a rule , he travels on british aircraft , according to some of our operational data, he has a british passport, he is a british subject, and so, again, remembering unforgettable authors and writers, so to say, a turkish subject, so this same british subject, exactly like that , on this occasion, and zelsky does not suit the usa, in any way, moreover, he mentioned one more fact, that is, things that do not depend on my consciousness, a year ago , almost a year ago, in december last year, the head of the cro burns flew to kiev in order to convince zelensky to negotiate with

the russians due to the fact that zelensky did not want to follow the instructions given to him in abstract form from salyuvan, the us national security advisor. and nabali, in september last year, he made ardent russophobic statements. americans. not because they are such doves of peace, because the americans today control 80% of the territory of ukraine, even more than 80 , to be honest, and they like it, that is, they don’t need to do anything else, david cameron’s arrival in kiev, right away already after his appointment as head of the british foreign ministry, this is just an indicator once again who is the main curator for ukraine, so this needs to be understood, exactly, you are literally taking the words out of my mouth, this is exactly what i wanted to say, completely with you. because in the noble anglo-saxon family there is now a kind of quiet fuss or fight for money, this is quite

understandable, for opportunities, i will remind you that i mentioned the committee of 300, that the british royal family is together with the dutch, both families are included in purely 300 ruling families of the world, today they bought the rights to mineral deposits located on the territory of the lugansk people's republic, which is part of the russian federation and adjacent to the territory, with any means it is necessary to achieve the goal, this is for money, but the question is monetary, here is money, this is sacred to them, god forgive me, and in parallel how much has already been invested, about 20 billion dollars have been invested, let’s say even the unfortunate netherlands have invested about 2 billion euros, that is, somewhere around 3 billion dollars, this a small country, although one of the most militant regarding what is happening in ukraine. and now we need effectiveness, but zelsky doesn’t give any effectiveness, why don’t they? he continues the conflict and wants to continue it,

it is clear why, that as soon as the conflict will end, i'm half, sorry, i won't give a broken penny for zelsky's life, if he is the president, then the president of the junta, so he is the president of the junta of one war, that is , as soon as hostilities end, he becomes a very inconvenient figure for everyone, he is not agreement is capable, moreover, it is clear that the kremlin will not talk to him in any form, after what happened, with whom? it will be, i don’t know how interesting it is that the kremlin spoke to someone, most likely the westerners are not striving for this, they are interested in rebuilding a strong army, because the previous army was almost all spent, in the middle east then to the most discussed events now - this is israel, of course, the palestinian question and the hell that, well, there’s no other way to call it, the hell that was created in the gaza strip, we of course , they understood that it had been smoldering for decades, but why did it flare up with such force now? you know, dmitry, here, i would say, i will probably give a nuanced answer, it will concern the civilizational factors of concepts

that are important, in my opinion, firstly, was laid down at the balfour conference named after lord balfour, because then at the same time they made a promise to two different peoples to form two states on one territory, we know about this, this is the so-called legal or diplomacy, legal absurdity, i speak as a freelance representative of the diplomatic academy of the ministry of foreign affairs russia, which is why, of course, this is a deliberately planted mine placed under the entire structure of the middle east, again... by the british, because they acted then guarantors of the implementation of this decision, and then simply took and left. and from the point of view of palestine, now we ’ll talk about cruelty separately, i should probably just tell you a few things. both the palestinian and jewish peoples, at the time of the formation of their state, used, i would say, informal logic. the informal logic was to hijack planes. yesir arafat

personally did this himself, or yasser arafat personally did this himself. in taking hostages. including soviet diplomats in 1982, then by the way, a soviet diplomat was killed, his head was sawed off, after which our vimpel group carried out a force action, destroying palestinian terrorists, we rarely remember this, i, as a member of the k-9 council, always remember that people died there, and vimpil was able, in principle, to save soviet diplomats from continuing this kind of unfriendly actions, and the jews also carried out operations, force operations, class terrorist attacks, also associated with various, i would say, casual actions, this was before the formation of the state or moments education, so there is no need to be surprised here, both nations or peoples, by the way, are close by blood and that other people is a simist group, and in fact they are relatives, they have a common logic of thinking and conducting military operations, in my opinion, this

explains a lot, based on military logic , moving on to the military... i believe that firstly, the one who pushed israel into conflict 100% did not profess the interests of the state of israel at all, note that i divided three concepts: jews, jews as believers, people professing judaism and israel as a state, these are all completely different concepts, the third party you are talking about, which pushed israel, yes, so that’s exactly what we’re talking about now, i don’t lose how it is said, the threads of its presentation, the case. is that in order for me to be on the line, so to speak, of dividing the parties, to visit israel, and i understand that in order for what became possible to be possible, it was necessary for someone, someone prepared these actions ahead of time, this is someone in my opinion, it is the united states, which in this case is playing a combination, i will finish with this, called a wiin situation, a win-win

situation, the israelis will play poker if hezbollah enters the war. and behind it iran, which by the way has hypersonic real hypersonic weapons and has nuclear warheads of 10-15 kilotons according to proven things, then for israel this will mean death, the end, we see that this is a global transformation that we are used to, we journalists have been talking a lot lately, it may even concern to a lesser extent, economics and some geopolitical issues, and that is, it runs along a much deeper line, that is, it is an entry into some completely different world, which needs to be prepared for... everyone by those who are the initiators of these processes. in this sense, what is the mission in this global transformation of russia, mind you, i say, not a goal, not a task, but the mission of russia, because the conversation came to exactly this formulation, given how close minsk and moscow are today, what is the role of belarus, how do you see it? i'll tell you a thing, perhaps, something not trivial

, not stilted, but i believe that belarus, today belarus, there are two reading standards for a russian person, it gives russia a very good reference point. belarus is a beacon in many ways, why? there were, mind you, three slavic states, by the way, two of them, i think, are ancient, one is less, it is quite recent, this is ukraine, simply because ukraine, excuse me, civilization did not exist independently, not because i have a bad attitude towards them, not at all, i want from the week, please be ukrainian with your language, but for me it is as worthy as russian, well, belarus simply due to the fact that it was somewhat, geographically, closer to the centers where decisions were made in the middle ages, so to speak, at the junction of civilization, for me it has a more mature, wiser tradition, and moreover, it certainly suffered terribly in the second world war, we know

how minsk was completely, although an ancient city, reconstructed into an established one, so historically, of course, it has a great by some kind of civilizational reserve of wisdom, for me personally, three states, three, as in a laboratory, different paths of development, russia, which in the nineties followed the path of then wild capitalism, now this path, thank god, is completed, in many ways , i believe that there are still some birthmarks to fight and fight with them, but russia is moving to the realities of a military empire, an empire is not always a bad concept, i mean a very strong state with a large sphere of influence and under a military aristocracy, aristocracy, that there is a rule of the best, of course not a hereditary aristocracy, these are just people who proved something with weapons in battle, and about ukraine we talked for a long time and stubbornly, everything is clear with it, i won’t offend anyone, for me there is now a military junta there,

and belarus, belarus, in my opinion, has chosen much more from the soviet past, and is really attractive, often for russian people, for russians, for russians, because there is a concept of russian foreign policy in which the sign is actually set the same between the concepts russian and russian, this is the beginning of the current, now ending year, at the beginning of the year in the spring the concept of russian foreign policy was published, there is the concept of a russian home, russian civilization, as i understand it, is broader than the concept of russia, and based on this , in my opinion, belarus reflects the ideas of the russian home and russian civilization much more than in many ways russia itself at the moment, in my opinion, just belarus and its existence,

it is not a unitary state, but i really like that belarus is independent, then russia will largely copy the belarusian example, i will only welcome it, ask you to applaud it, i probably said in brief what i wanted to say. germanich, thank you very much for this conversation , thank you very much, goodbye, have a good one, alexander artamonov was on the site from the studio, well , that’s all for today, see you in a week, happily.