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we welcome everyone who is with us now, great lineup we have three guests in the studio today, there will be a fourth participant via skype, sergey kurginyan himself, so go ahead, don't waste a minute of airtime and let's start with this: this week, or to be precise on august 23, we will remember the day of the defeat of the fascists in the battle of kursk, it was in...

slept in the forest in the rain for several days, but it seems that the main shock for him was this meeting, or here's another one. i wonder what strategic significance the gornalsky monastery represented under the judgement, which the ukrainian tank methodically shot at direct fire. here, andrey, we will start with you, it is clear that the ukrainian topic is emotionally overheated, and i have started with this not in order to add more oil to the pot. but on the other hand, what is there to not notice, again, why does this topic really deserve to be, firstly, seen, and definitely talked about, well, as they say, there were two options for attacking the bryansk region on the kursk region, so they were deciding to the last which logistics were better, if they had chosen the bryansk direction, all these problems would have been so percent 50 belarusian, why do we have a common border in gomel region, then these sabotage and reconnaissance groups that shoot such videos, they could, well , in theory, somehow penetrate , including.

with whom can we negotiate today, does this cancel the terms of the negotiations that were earlier, yuri valerievich? you know, when we discussed, based on our desire for peace, here on the programs, and out of our love for the ukrainian brotherly people, of course, we did not understand how great the depth of the fall of the ukrainian nazis is, those who are now in charge of politics, that is... gomel or brest region and also

to mock our old people, rape women, shoot men, that is , now the depth of the fall of these people is absolutely clear. in my opinion, the attack on the kursk region, it pursued several goals, including those related to negotiations. remember again, the interview of our president, these terrorist acts on the territory of russia, they provoked and provoke russia to deliver a very strong retaliatory strike,

which would further allow to involve all european countries that are on the perimeter around belarus in this conflict, this is one of the goals, the second, really europe. tired of the war, a number of countries are already openly talking about it, it was necessary to extend it at any cost, so, which, which way, it is not about victory, everyone understands perfectly well, any military man will say that the attack on the kursk region does not bring anything strategically in military terms, there is no military component, it is a pr action, it is a terrorist action, it is an attempt to show our population to the west that we can do something, let's finance us, and this is a breakdown of negotiations. naturally, this is an attempt to get away from these, look, and kiev has another version, adviser to the presidential office podalyak, a sudden attack on a russian region, this is a psychological tactic and the only way to force putin to sit down, what did they succeed in, yes, he lies from the bottom, as he lied all his life, as he lied in belarus, we had him here in belarus,

let's remember, that means he worked in belarus, this is a person who will change any views for money, he worked in a party newspaper, which party i now i am leading that this kind of escalation on the part of ukraine is an attempt to push russia to asymmetric actions, well, let's say, the use of nuclear weapons, i know for sure that in ukraine they would be very happy if russia

used, or we used there, tactical nuclear weapons, it would be happiness, then, well, probably, since it is unlikely

that there would be any allies left. china, that is, the chinese do not want any conflict at all, and if this is another nuclear conflict, then of course russia will remain, well, to put it mildly, in worse conditions, this is what they want, as far as negotiations, well, there are two components, according to the istanbul agreements, nothing is said about the territories, that is, these are some general conditions of neutrality, you do this, we do this, about the territories there was putin's last proposal in june, four regions remember everything, but they do not agree to it, then the question of timing arises, when they will agree, well, if we consider that... they have not accumulated this offensive core against this group, then they would have used it in any case either in donbass or somewhere for an attack, that is, while they had these reserves, they still would not have entered into negotiations, that is, formally, probably, nothing has even changed either in terms of timeframes or , say, in some negotiating positions, that is , they will continue to be knocked out of there, well, then they will probably say that yes, now we are ready, well, for now, as i understand it, russia does not agree, the duration of this disagreement will depend on the situation on the ground, then on the american elections, that is, they got a problem, well, for about three months, i think, in the secular area this is a minimum, and... further there will be elections in the us, there will be some change in supplies, or there won’t be, but the problem , if we take it more broadly, is what the president said, that

we have created a kind of hole, yes, in our defense, let’s say, through which nato can today pour in any reserves, any logistics, just give us money, give us tanks there, and we are ready to die there, this is the position of ukraine, so they are proposing a new model of a turnkey war already on russian territory, not just some kind of defense there in donbass, here is an offensive operation on territory of russia, this is a new proposal, which means some new western financing, new conditions and for... this is very interesting, they are actively participating there, analyzing the experience and some component for sabotage, this is all priceless, so they got what they wanted, and then they will also get negotiations, and i am convinced that - the president is really right in the question of the fact that the goal of the ukrainian government in this adventure in the kursk region is an attempt to involve nato in a direct conflict, that is, it is clear that ukraine has never, well, what chances could there be, there are none now, nato really has no chance of defeating russia.

never followed the west's scenario, i remember the entire belarusian meeting in the phrase: all officials should hang this on the wall in their

office, if the west suggests something, do the opposite, that's what we do, russia is doing the same now, and they are not writing one scenario for us, russia is acting according to its own scenario, belarus according to its own, this is extremely important for victory, and victory will happen, and what kind of scenario is this, nuclear blackmail has begun, the russian foreign ministry reports that ukraine has begun preparing an attack on the kursk... as, in order to blame russia later. it is supposed to use charges with radioactive warheads. they have already been delivered to the city of zhelty vody, western intelligence services are supervising them. the head of magatek is ready to go to kursk to inspect the situation. why do they need a man-made disaster? it's very simple. this is within the framework of this big scenario for raising the stakes. and the fact is that it is already obvious that the task of the ukrainian leadership is disposal. of the ukrainian population, the war to the last ukrainian, they don’t hide it, and the liberation, accordingly, of areas,

including agricultural land, which they will then give to blackrock and other american companies, that’s all, and remember, in this studio, we have repeatedly said that the ukrainian government will engage in nuclear terrorism and nuclear blackmail, when they are losing ground at the front, they will simply barricade themselves in... and will threaten the whole world, look at what they have sunk to this week, they have taken the most sacred and the very last thing that is left to them ukrainians, the church, they banned the church.

not women, they took women away too, everyone knows what they do there, they still have faith, they took away the faith of the ukrainian people yesterday, are we ready to agree to any terms with them, it's even scarier, yuri, it's even scarier, when we talk today about the possible use, it's a scary topic there of tactical nuclear weapons, we must understand that the americans, if we even imagine for a second that some nuclear facilities exploded on the territory of europe due to terrorist attacks. europe is infected, for example, territory, and what about them? americans have one fear, in all these conflicts one, that nothing would fly to them, if they were sure that a big war in europe with the participation of germany, france, poland, russia, belarus, broke out, it would not affect them in any way, it would affect them in some way, missiles, so that they do not fly to them, but who cares, burn here with fire, that is their real attitude, by the way, for

me the interview the president gave is in many ways an appeal.

beyond zaporizhzhya we constantly see these shelling strikes on the kursk region looks like well, actually, what is that very final last red line? well, the military says that they either had to build a defense along the highway, but they did not reach the highway deaf to kursk, which means that if they do not reach it, they go in such a sleeve towards the station to set up artillery there, to hit it there with guidance, 15 km, well, some minimum range, that is, today this is what they can still try to do, that is , further there can still be control there along the water obstacle, so today they are blowing up bridges there on the river. what does belarus consider its red lines, this topic often sounds, and it is not surprising that yevgeny popov, taking a long interview with alexander lukashenko , also touched on this topic, and how the president responded to this, let's listen, are you ready to press the red button, listen, the red buttons have already been pressed all around, along the perimeter of belarus and

russia these red buttons have already been pressed, only the reddest one remains on... therefore, in a moral sense, probably, putin and i , making such decisions, are already somehow uncomfortable talking about this, secondly, when tactical nuclear weapons have appeared here, i told them directly, although they say there, he's a fool, he says, he'll use weapons, i told them, we're not going to use any weapons until you step on our state border, it's the border of our union state. this is a common war between belarus and russia against these beasts, and that we should wait until they trample our country like 85 years ago, like it was with the soviet union, no, so we will respond immediately and adequately, if they want this not to happen, let's sit down at the table

negotiations, we will end this fight, neither the ukrainian people, nor the russians, nor the belarusians need it. a native of minsk goes to the village to find out how it is better than the city, you are a real modern belarusian guslar, yes, you have five children, yes, i was really drawn to nature, i just realized that nature is my priority in general. in life, so in general, i gave up everything, i already missed this space in the city, i missed nature, you studied, lived and worked in moscow, then one fine day... in your life you had to return here to your historical homeland, take care of your grandmother, then you converted your parents' house into a stable, now you save horses,

why horses, because other animals also need help, to each his own, well, by and large, horses are such a childhood illness, what can i say, the only thing that relaxed in me is something somewhere down there, everything that is here , the cheeks, in particular the entire speech apparatus, the eyes, the spine, everything for some reason tensed up, i am from a village, watch belarus 24 on tv channel. it was the difficult situation in which our athletes found themselves that bore fruit. the athletes were even more motivated and performed for such sporting anger. through the voice of the ministry of foreign affairs, the voice of belarus in the international arena should sound louder, louder, more creative. with some very non-standard decisions that our friends will accept with pleasure and from which our ill-wishers will be perplexed, we were very well received,

there was absolutely no aggression, when already started winning medals, then they say: well guys, the conditions are so difficult and you perform, well, just bravo, work is always at the forefront, and such effective work really, it gives opportunities, both... directly the formation of social well-being of the working person himself, and in general of society, as soon as possible to recover in international sports, such a task before the nok, it is, the time will come when everything will fall into place, it will be as it should be. project markov nothing personal, watch on the belarus 24 tv channel.

it seems that any sane person needs to put an end to it, to say, well, no, everything is clear, they said it clearly, here is the border, if you cross it, you will get it, as long as you do n’t cross it, well, everything will be fine, we will negotiate, but they, well, look, are madly excited, red lines, red buttons, they try to grab each time, we started... this is the fear of a response, in fact, for a long time, so we need to clearly understand, we have had independence for 30 years, yes, they have already attacked us dozens of times, destroyed us,

trampled us, why did they attack iraq, why did they beat yugoslavia, why did they destroy others countries, when they knew that there would be no response, when they understood that nothing would happen for this, then they bomb and destroy, therefore the only thing that saves from war, that holds back from attack and will hold back, is our military...

iraq, and syria at the time, those moments, libya, when inside they even wavered in society, when a crack appeared, they began to hammer into it, only then will they be able, that is , to overcome this, and this understands, you know what, that in fact, neither russia nor belarus will ever be defeated by military means, they know this everyone is in nato, that's why the stake, even these terrorist attacks in the kursk region, they don't hide it, they say, we want to blow up russian society so that they can start putting pressure on their government. let's

be ready to take part and we clearly stated it at the very beginning, the ukrainian issue is our issue, it's our question, because our security and our development on the current track directly depend on it, at least, what about kiev on this account, first the local foreign ministry, boorishly brushes off the minsk call to behave sensibly, and now here colonel andrey demchenko from the state border service of ukraine, accuses lukashenko of escalating the situation, that is, drones are flying to us ukraine.

the combination of these internal resources the government hates zelensky, therefore only the resistance of the ukrainian people, which is now beginning to grow, every day we see dozens of burned cars of ukrainian nazis on the internet, and pay attention to the geography, the geography of these acts of resistance, from lviv to odessa, from sumy to nikolaev, that is... all over ukraine, so here is just a combination of these two factors, on the one hand, pressure from the armed forces of the russian federation and ensuring the goals of a special military operation, on the other hand, internal resistance, and it would be even better to connect internal active resistance, i have said many times on air, appealed to the ukrainian military, arrest

ex-president zelensky. that's it, they invaded the territory of the russian federation, they are killing local residents, they are loading them in kamaz trucks, you saw all this footage, hostages are being taken out, what's the difficulty situations, oleg sergeevich said it right, we have power, but we will always be in danger until this nazi regime is finished, and how can we finish it, including by striking at

the decision-making center, if... he has completely surrounded these decision-making centers, let's say, even the buildings where they gather, with civilians, even filled them with hostages, and this is a very big difficulty, and this difficulty can only be resolved by such synergy, on the one hand, pressure from the armed forces the russian federation, as you rightly said, patient fulfillment of the goals of the svo, yes, constant, minute-by-minute, painstaking. expansion of the goals of the special military operation and expansion of the negotiation track can no longer be discussed from my point of view about four regions, because what we observed, rus schwein, belarus and schwein, we will observe in neighboring regions, in nikolaev and odessa, how we will look at this, that is why only this synergy will lead to a result, very briefly about the statements of the border committee and the ministry of foreign affairs in

in relation to... this is the same provocation, this is an attempt to provoke us with rudeness, from the same series, for example, the statement of several people's deputies of the verkhovna rada after the attack on the kursk region, well, why didn't russia drop a nuclear bomb there, well, where is your answer, the same thing applies to us, they provoke , i repeat, we see everything, we are strong, we are smart, we are politicians, our mit is a real mid, and not a propaganda resource, we have a president, a real president, we see provocations, but we will not act based on your wishes.

look, we talked about not getting involved in other people's plans, going according to our own scenario, but what scenario is there for lithuania in this general strategy of putting pressure on belarus and russia? andrei, what do you think, there is one scenario - this is the neck of the bottle, that is, all these actions, they are ultimately directed against china, their task is to show that, look, belarus, with its aggressive, terrible actions there, it violates chinese transit, we are defending ourselves, we are deploying a military group, we are closing the border there, we are people we are delaying and so on, that is, dear china, please, influence lukashenko, this is the message, they are trying to show that we are united, the entire baltics together with poland are closing this border in one impulse, dear chinese, keep pushing, that is... what could they do through our opposition, through provocations, through some opposition political parties, that's all, this is already a thing of the past, they are trying to put pressure through our ally, our task is precisely to preserve this essentially chinese transit, because it guarantees peace in the region, if tomorrow this transit will not happen, well then

that's it, the next step to a big war, as the americans want, if we take our next year - these are presidential elections, the twenty-fifth, there was a chance that we would start it, these elections or the election campaign against the background of negotiations on ukraine, it would have been one campaign, now there is essentially no such chance, there will be further... and it turns out that during the election period we have a risk of provocation on the north-western border, yes, where the military appears, there is a risk of sabotage in the south, where it is mined, of course, but you can cross it on foot and cause us some problems. there is a risk of the military actions spreading, for example, to bryansk region in parallel, yes, and there is also a risk of terrorist attacks, as you are doing, look at crocus, yes, as happened recently in russia, that is , all this can coincide with the time of our presidential elections, therefore the president, well, if you look at the tone of the interview, he is not very happy.

he can’t do anything, but he growls, barks more than anyone else, this is an instrument, this instrument arose after the collapse of the ussr, initially the americans created it as a springboard, not only for the fight against russia and belarus, by the way, it is also a springboard for the division of europe. and the actions of lithuania, remember the nord stream, which was blown up, who was the most active in opposing the nord stream? the baltics, poland. these are the countries that most of all, in fact, need cheap electricity, gas, oil. and why did they speak out? they

spoke out in american interests. it 's the same here. and again, if you take lithuania, they destroyed their economy, they practically stopped trade business belarus russia, although it is not profitable for ordinary lithuanians. removed tourist flows to klai, where no one except us will go on holiday, no germans will go there in thousands, these are fairy tales, it means that we again did not follow the scenario, we introduce without visas, they are furious about this, that is why the ban went beyond transport, how to limit the travel of lithuanian citizens who do not believe in lithuanian propaganda, they still continue to go on holiday, at first they, this decision was not made immediately, at first the authorities said, let's cut the flow of tourist buses from lithuania to belarus in half, they look, well, it doesn't help. what to do? we have to take such measures, a complete closure. and why did they roll it back a little later? not for the zmagars, as someone i read there, for some runaway belarusians, no one will ever do anything for them. lithuanian citizens themselves, well, what are you doing? you're just making things worse for us,

no one asks them anyway, they just don't give a damn here, that's why they introduced some kind of concessions, and we will still be without visas continue, because this is our strength, we are not hiding, come and see.

regiments, entire corps in order to invade belarus at a certain time, take power, turn the country back, we have also seen this and know, knowing this we have always prepared for this, look, on the one hand you see these detachments, as they call themselves regiments, banners there, and...

in military terms, of course, without nato, as oleg said, they will not do anything, but you have to understand that all this is combined, here is the northwest, here is the southern border, here are the terrorist attacks, here are the elections, here are more problems in russia, when all this will happen together, even such a small threat, which is easily stopped separately, it will play a role in, let's say, so that straw breaks the camel's back, like this, and even easier for all viewers is the justification of terrorist attacks and extremism, at least some justification, here they made an explosion, attacked, so it was you, it was your belarusians, here is the flag, here...

and look, on the one hand, these are such

small bites, provocations and a big program to demonize in general, what they call the belarusian regime, on the other hand, against this same background , a message comes in, on august 16, the president signed a decree pardoning thirty people convicted of a protest -related crime, 14 women, 16 men, some of them have serious illnesses, there are people...

once again, well, to this tactic, and how did people perceive it, the ones you called, if you really called, that is, this could also be a legend, you had communicated before, you probably have connections on the twentieth year, let's say, remained, you know, you know, here's the most important point, people lived through all of this, their relatives, those convicted, yes, for the events of 2020, they look at everything through the prism of these events that are happening in ukraine. almost everyone said: yes, now i understand why then, maybe in some places, in some places not as liberally as before, they tightened the screws, because if they hadn't tightened them, there would have been a bloodbath here, the same example with yanukovych, if yanukovych had given a normal

order to special units and cleaned up all this evil, there would not have been a million dead and wounded, there would have been 100 people. but not a million, that's why all the people, relatives, what surprised me, say, after all, as we now understand the decision of the belarusian authorities, not to let the situation get out of control, for me, pardoning in general is an act of a strong state, that is, only a strong one can pardon and make this decision, the second thing for me, what is important, is that we live in a state governed by the rule of law, that is, well, the criterion for pardoning was not determined by some virtual criteria,

give us money, we will fight there, we will help, they, some in interviews and say openly, and what should we trade, if suddenly the president pardons us, what should we do, what should we tell, how should we justify our activities, that is, for them these are not individuals, not people who are worried, exclusively goods. andrey, and how do you look at this, well, i will say that the architecture of some future position of ours is being built, this is what it will be not now, not in a year, but in 5 years, it will be irreconcilable and radical, like these... formation, or it will not be radical and reconcilable, yes, constructive, if we ourselves do not make it so, then it will be the worst case scenario, therefore the state gives some signals to the west, to our internal protest group, that look, without breaking the law, you will have some conditions, breaking it, you get the status there, that is, a convicted person and so on,

that is, in principle, as i see it, this is a model, well, i think that some kind of future of our political field, the people we see today, this is the third one, probably even the echelon. the second, that is, not the first there, yes, which is still in places not so remote, these are people to whom, let's say, it is necessary to show a little, what it means, your opposition group is not monolithic, not everyone there wants to continue the struggle at any cost, not everyone supports ukraine, even your relatives, that is, and moreover, the people who come out, they are ready, well , to behave normally, law-abidingly, not to commit any crimes, this is a signal, by the way, to the centers that sit in the west, that in in principle, it is not so promising for them to work with anyone here, that is, what is here will be under state control. your regiments, banners there, please, do it, but it is very convenient for us, this is a picture of military intervention, they promise only one thing: war, attack, there, that means, bombing, it is profitable for us, these people who are inside the country, must show themselves from the best side, i think that yuri will still have his say there on this, on this topic, yes, regarding the word, still very much

an important point, as soon as they started, the first information about the pardon came immediately, all our viewers should understand how these fugitive scoundrels act, well, their top, their top, who served the belarusian authorities for 25 years and deceived all of us, they immediately said, what to say, we put pressure, we put pressure on the authorities, we turned to ambassadors, i want to say again, they can turn to ambassadors, to the pope, to the sports lottery, anywhere, but the belarusian authorities acted, act and... will act only based on their expediency, in this case, yes, the law, expediency lies in the fact that on the eve of the presidential elections it is necessary... uh , not only to further reduce the degree of tension, even in those small circles that remain here inside us, but also

to give people who have truly repented this chance, they ask: will there be any further pardon, including taking into account such provocative actions of the leadership of the fugitives, who are specifically doing everything so that people are not released, well, of course, we will not react to them, of course. such acts of mercy will certainly continue, it depends on the head of state, on our special services, the day of national unity is coming up, it will be very, given that we have such a concept as collective responsibility, it will be very important to observe how this first batch of pardoned people will behave when they are free, a lot depends on this, thank you for this conversation, the time for communication in this first block is over, i say goodbye to our participants, and thank them for the opinions that were voiced here, but i'm not saying goodbye to our viewers, in a couple of minutes another conversation about the essence of our time, sergey kruginyan, stay

with us, russian public figure and political scientist sergey kurginyan is in touch with us, sergey ervandovich, hello , we are glad to meet again, thank you for being with us again. yes, with you, well, let's start with the kursk region, after all, first of all, was this invasion a surprise for you? no, it was not a surprise for me, because after all, and i, on the issue of what is happening, well, i take a separate position from significant groups, and so to speak, which continue.

foreign affairs said and that the presidential aide, who is responsible for these issues, said that

putin's proposals not being removed from the agenda does not mean that we will now negotiate with someone about something. the entire practice of russian life, in all its variations, has always been based on the fact that no concessions under pressure are possible. this does not correspond to putin's psychotype all his commands. psychotype in everything, therefore, of course, these questions are also essential, because every time, when they say, we'll make peace now,

something will happen now, the seriousness of what's happening, again. is underestimated, and the tactical task then was in kursk for the armed forces of ukraine, well , first of all, by those who stand behind them, yes in the west, that's what they wanted to achieve tactically, and they wanted to show that they are cool, everything is so simple, that they, so to speak, can still do it, there is time, they are somehow a mess, yes, there are still pores of prokhovnitsa, yeah, they wanted to show that they exist, yes, as if... uh, to lead all the actions of ukraine, a natural pr man, the main thing for him is to show that he is cool, but he showed, yes, well , there are some other, some aspects also exist, they tried to distract - russian troops from the offensives that they are conducting, they failed to do this, yes, they really captured prisoners, the exchange will take place, this is

a tragic event for which... someone must be responsible for this stupidity, for how exactly they prepared and so on, well, so you need to answer, the tragic event will be overcome one way or another, in the war, like in a war, yes, on this matter, exactly, that you can’t say, big deal, no, you need to assess the scale of the tragedy, draw conclusions, say that it’s very bitter and correct the situation, but this situation will be corrected, they will be expelled from there, as it were, their losses will naturally be enormous, yes, well, and the war will continue, now in parallel with this there is something else going on, there is an offensive on their territory, they understand this perfectly well, they are busy with more and more new points, they, so to speak, are leading on this matter, and the russians the troops are taking up very serious, as it were , positions, where they were holding the line,

they are going further and further, yes, in addition... i would like to say about this separately, the reaction of the population as a whole is extremely impressive, yes , this volunteer activity, you want ordinary russian people who are there in cars collecting refugees or the wounded and everything else, the nation has not panicked at all, unlike some oligarchs, and has not declared that oh-oh, oh-oh, let's all leave now, so to speak, urgently, well, here is the situation in the middle east, iran-israel everything...

arose on the principle that the sweetness of life is more valuable than the victims, yes, it has not yet become denmark or holland, thank god, but there are already gay parades in sacred places and so on and so forth, everything that seemed impossible, this is not a knight's castle placed in an islamic sea, this is already such

a heterogeneous society, a little military, a little consumer, yes it... could not cope with hamas, it, being an order of magnitude stronger than hamas, could not cope with it, it could not even cleanse it, and the main problem arise, not when you cleared, when you then settled here and started to receive a response, in iraq the americans sorted it out quickly, and then they received a response and...

it's easy to say, but what does this mean in practice? in practice it means in these conditions, then the leadership of this state will be hamas, which will receive. army, police, special services, and will launch activities that are much more active than now. if israel now makes peace and starts any kind of nonsense on this territory, hamas will be the winner, even if it destroys another 10% of hamas, anyway hamas, it has no chance to solve the problem in its current state, and it cannot fail to solve it. that's all for today, see you in a week, happy.

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