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horses for the eec and the usa, well, and for our viewer, the political course of these countries, it is in many ways with a question mark, well, we 'll talk about this today, well, let's talk about you for now, you are a serbian politician, a representative of the right- wing populist party "we are the voice of the people", yes, and how did you become a politician from a businessman and the main thing is why? and the thing is that i, being in ukraine at the time there... i had a business there, i lived there, and i was engaged in ninety-nine, when nato aggression began, i had my first interview, i didn’t know anything back then, neither politics, nor how things were done, they found out that i lived there, they came and let’s record an interview, i say, well, let’s have ukrainian journalists, ukrainian journalists, it was then, i think, inter, it was a national channel, and both he and i are asked, like, but a provocative question, i i didn't know that their question wasn't written down, but my answer was, they say, well, here's what...

they advised that in order to avoid such problems, create, he says, a serbian organization, that is, a serbian national diaspora, in essence, yes, in fact, you have to understand that in ukraine the serbian diaspora is the oldest, that is, serbia and new serbia - this is the region, that is, now donbass and the region of dnepropetrovsk, kirovograd - these are, let's say, the regions where the serbs were the first, this was during the time of catherine, they were there soldiers at first, and then they were given land, wives, and so on, that is, these are the first settlements, actually. that is why our

diaspora there is the oldest, but i created this structure precisely so that it would be possible to convey this truth about what was happening in yugoslavia then, and accordingly it turns out that when i created it, a wave had already started, media, interviews, and so on, then after, i think, four years i already created the eurasian, that is, the first serbian organization, which covered, that is, belarus is here too...

germany, the netherlands, belgium, canada, norway, well, and italy and others. yugoslavia is no more. and what has changed for you personally? well , after the nato bombings since 1999, well, first of all, in my opinion, it became clear to all normal, reasonable humanity that nato is an aggressive bloc, which is intended precisely as a dirty club for the united states, it is clear that this is the us army, which is covered only by european countries, but they are 95% of nato troops , yes, but the command and decisions are made in washington, but definitely not in europe, therefore, that is, for now...

that is, they took us kosovo and metohija, after so many years, they are now demanding that serbia, in order for us to go further into the european union, recognize our territory as our own, that is, kosovo and metohija are 1800 orthodox monuments, this is the orthodox and christian culture of the whole world, not only the serbs, and the albanians who are there, they did not live there, that is, there were 200,000 of them there, as a result, more than half a million of them came there from albania, and with our support, it is clear that they were mainly involved in crime, that is, a...

in the end, russia, ukraine, belarus was planned and so on, but apparently, there is already some experience, well , to be honest, even a term like that appeared, bulldozer revolution, precisely in connection with the serbian events, right, before the maidan, remember, when 14, why did i become an enemy there, because poroshenko was standing on a bulldozer in front of, i think, the administration or the rad, i don’t remember, exactly the same, that is, these were spears, yes, i took this one.

so, there are no legal norms for this there was, there were no grounds for this, it is an independent state, if something happened in some area, then it was an internal problem of the country, that is, serbia did not attack anyone, no international law was violated, then nato starts

bombing serbia completely, defending one side, in the end it is clear they were defending themselves, and terrorists are used simply as a mechanism, they solved their problems, simply yes, by and large , but our president noticed this. for the local population now they are both heroes and legends, absolutely right, that's what i'm saying, that it is not because here on your channels, it is simply a fact, it is true, i just do not know if belarusians know how much serbians love belarusians, this is still a mystery to me, i do not know, most likely, most likely they do not know, and what crazy support in general for any action.

will be, it will be, you understand that the serbian people still feel a debt to him, including to belarus, the belarusian people, but his action, it confirmed precisely this love, here is my initiative, the fact that i am now belarusian and the fact that i i identify these relations, it's all gratitude to him, and indeed, he is one of the leaders, if not the most, even our president does not have such support as lukashenko, that is, even those who do not like vucic, love lukashenko, you understand?

but i addressed them formally then, well, as an artist and so on, like kvartal 95, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and, naturally, i liked them, but i understood that kolomoisky was financing them, that he was their boss and so on, he was their boss until the last moment, no, they are putin we got it together, let's be honest, and live on air, yes, and this is the very thing, and i'll tell you honestly, at that time, of course, and not only when there were elections in 1917

, i think i even campaigned, or maybe i campaigned, but i counted on poroshenko having to go, so that... they take people who drive tractors and put tanks on fire, and all over europe, in cars for 200, 300, 500 thousand, thousands of these people who steal, who live off this budget, why is war a salvation for them, because they will be hanged, relatively speaking, politically, whatever, because they destroyed this people, they need war to stay in

power, so that they can continue to steal, the west needs war because they need to weaken russia and they need to... draw belarus into this conflict, this is the worst, the most terrible thing, why are they sending these drones through belarus, because the task is to involve, and you are trying all the time, we do not want this, but on the other hand i like it when lukashenko said, no, the red one is the border, that's how it should be, because they must understand that they will get an answer, and that russia has installed what is needed here, because i don’t know, from poland, from other countries, what could have happened, that is, they would have provoked any belarus in any case into some kind of conflict. and this is the very thing, therefore zelensky, what he did, in fact, he zeroed out this country, i, living there, saw that this is a different mentality, that is, the east, it’s not only donbass, people confuse kharkov, and dnepropetrovsk, and odessa, and that is, they are the same, all of central ukraine, yes, on western, when you come to western ukraine, they don't want to speak russian, and they

speak in such a way, it's not even ukrainian, my wife is from ukraine, she knows ukrainian, they say, it's not ukrainian. hero, for others no, some there, excuse me, spit on the great patriotic victory, and others glorify it, you understand, that is, these are different, different ideologies, they could not exist, they always wrote a united country, it was never united, because it's a different mentality, if they had made a confederation, you won't believe it, in 2008 there was some conference in crimea, i talked about this, i don't know how they didn't take me then, but i mean i'm saying that... that you're simply heading towards war, because it's impossible to live like this, in the end we came to this war, only now they're sucking the whole world into this war, that is , not only russia there, the belarusians, but the whole world, and look how the west shows this artist, because he's an artist, he's not a president, he plays to the crowd, he does it well, but this is not serious for the country, a million people already according to various sources

killed, who is ukrainian in power there, i don't know them, to be honest. you see, that is, they just don't care about their country, and for this they have belarus, well, it's a bad example, how can you be independent, but live well, i saw how your facades are made, houses, old, but not made, but lightened and so on, everything that is done for the system, i know from business, how our people work, we have a racket of 30%, so to speak, if you want it costs 30% give it, and here the state gives you infrastructure, gives you water, sewerage, lets down.

they are simply amazed, they, they believed me, but they cannot understand, this is a danger for this country, like yugoslavia once was, it was a bad example, how can you live independently, not let an oligarch in there, who is like in ukraine, you know how things are measured there, so akhmetov has 50 bayonets, kolomoisky has 40 and so on, but where are the people, the deputies, that is, these are bayonets, not deputies, you understand, in this case you have a completely different country, the only thing that you have is like... the problem is that they they say: long in power, okay, let's see, if he's been in power for a long time, what has he done for the people, and what others have done, so others have been destroying for 4 years, and he for 30 years or however long he...

in the end, in any case, a representative of a european state, yes, explain to us from this jungle, yes, as barel called us, please explain to me, how

did it happen that europe, which got burned by fascism, poland, which lost 6 million, yes, its citizens, who were destroyed by the nazis, including the banderites, how did it happen now that they support a fascist regime?

the interests of those who installed them, naturally the us, but also those global people who manage these processes, they do not reflect the real interests of the people they represent, they are all interconnected, look at this rsuul, this is a disgrace, and not only her, also baerbock, she comes to serbia and starts telling us: you must impose sanctions on belarus, you must impose sanctions on russia and so on, that is, we must harm ourselves, that is, this the people who support us, the state.

they choose themselves, look further, it is not clear where the man is, where the woman is, and you know, for me personally, ursula ended when she, with a straight face, in the presence of a thousand people, told that the russians take chips out of washing machines, and in order to make cruise missiles, well, and you think, and this person claims the role of, at least, a european leader, and not just claims, he really is, yes, he is elected for the second time, well... you know, why i asked this question about fascism? your serbian diaspora, eurasian, yes, in ukraine they recognized it as a terrorist organization, yes, how did you threaten and interfere

with the leadership of ukraine, here is also a bright example of democracy, it's simple, a serbian community was created in ukraine, which was registered, naturally, according to all laws, canons and so on, in 2014, when the right sector and others declared a hunt for me, i left, accordingly the organization ceased its... existence, it was not engaged in any political projects at all, you know what it was doing, well projects yes, but not in the sense of domestic policy, we organized the arrival of ministers from serbia, back there, we lobbied for a visa-free regime, which was introduced with ukraine earlier than with russia, and the delegation did business for the benefit, i say, i did more from half of the people in power ukrainian, if not more than half for ukraine, than they did, it turns out, when i started to tell what was happening, what is this for? everything will lead, that you are leading to a war, which will be civil, it can develop into this, that, they tell me: everything is clear, you are an agent of the kremlin, look, legally i left in 1914, in 1915

a year later. imagine if we had responded with the same meva, simply banned the national diaspora, that doesn't happen, given that there were absolutely no arguments, not a single lawyer went, that is, they simply made a decision to ban, well, it is clear that they declared me james bond and so on, but this is a clear example of how their justice system functions, there is no case material at all, there is no case on the merits, but it closed and declared a terrorist organization, but it is democratic.

let's then return to those horses of ours with which we started in the first question: if serbia is accepted into the eu, it will become russia's trojan horse, as they said on cnn, is this a horror story, a legend or is there some common sense in this? no, but serbia will always be with russia, wherever it is, even in the usa, that's the first, second, because you can't go against the people, second, and you know, the majority of serbs don't want it anymore, we've had enough already, there is nothing to do there, let us go freely, as they say in belarus, let us live, let us live and not interfere, this is our position, yes, this is strategic jacobi cruz, it is clear that they give money, it is clear that people in power live from this money and so

on, but it does not reflect the essence of the matter and the attitude of the serbs to this, because we understand that the european union, it has exhausted itself, as has nato, they must close, because there is no democracy there, no help, there is, you do not, you do not dare to say anything at all about russia about belarus, what kind of democracy is this, let one side in, let the other side in, let them say whatever they want, you as a journalist understand what it means to hear obbe, there is none, you are responsible for this, i speak with people from the czech republic, from germany, switzerland, they are afraid, the germans are even afraid of their own country. they are being terrorized, they do not dare to say a word at all, they do not dare to divide into something on the pages of russia and so on, that is, this is fascism, that is, this is what was not finished off in forty-fifth year, that is what raised head, it is now ruling, excuse me, for such a dialect, it is ruling this european union, only because i say, they are not finished off, it turns out that they need to be finished off, i do not know how else, the

other day literally the european union called on serbia to refrain from strengthening relations with russia, while many western sanctions against... well, because everyone thinks so, as i think, i think that the government is sitting in two studios, lukashenko said this once and more than once, and when these fall, where will you end up, that is, our government today and it, but still, what it feeds on is a game, we still and we imposed sanctions against belarus, like we coordinated our foreign policy with the policy of the european union, firstly, we are not members of the european union, and are not obliged, but it is clear that they oblige us, and now we have put forward. in

parliament to remove these russias, so that sanctions from belarus, so that belgrade and moscow open up, who is interfering, so it is economically profitable, we can send 200 flights a day from belgrade to minsk, because all flights to moscow are booked up several months in advance, why is this not is being done, why don't we have belarusian products, why, because you understand, when they restrict financial transactions, then you can not impose sanctions on something else, you can not just carry out this transaction, and accordingly, we as a movement have the support of vi... i am talking to the ruling, everyone supports, this is just madness, that everyone supports, everyone wants, but everyone is afraid, how much this pressure from brussels, so to speak, and i say, well, okay, but it is in our interests for all this to work, yes, so what to do, but without the main decision it is not accepted, you understand, that is why in this sense i say, i think that the authorities are still coquetting with the west , listening much more than necessary, so that this.

also in serbia on kosovo, because according to the resolution of the security council, serbian troops, police should be in kosovo, and the border, all state symbols should exist there only in limited quantities, because there is none of this, everything was put on paper, signed, guarantees were guarantees. no guarantees, guys, i i just can't understand, does anyone still believe in anything that they will sign, no, guys, no, in the minsk agreement, but i'm telling you, we've been through all this for a long time, everything that was signed doesn't exist, you are forced to do only what you signed, everything that

the other side signed doesn't exist, and every time you, no, let 's take a step, let's take two steps, let's take three, in the end you did everything in a few years, and they didn't take a single step, you remember, the budapest agreements, everything that it concerned... the withdrawal of nuclear weapons from the territory of belarus, we were guaranteed forever no pressure, no economic sanctions for the fact that we withdrew nuclear weapons from the territory of the country, exactly 3 years later, exactly 3 years after the emergence of presidential belarus, yes , the first sanctions were rolled out for us in 1997, we waited a long time for this, just to return tao to the territory of belarus, the american elections, how can we not talk about them, well, this is... definitely for trump, i don’t expect from

and what do you think the serbs will choose this year, no, but there will be something cardinal there, on the other hand, all the same... the americans showed that they are even ready to destroy him, in any way, yes, that means he is still not quite a person in the system, as it happens with them, yes, and he is a person from business, he is used to solving problems, and not creating them, only in this sense we are counting on the serbs supporting him not because he will help serbia, because he can stop this war and the war against russia and the catastrophe that in general it can -

that's why trump came again, his wife from yugoslavia, there is some kind of emotional connection, his daughter is coming to belgrade, which is also surprising, that is , there is some connection with this family, and naturally we have large lobby groups, which - well, the serbs, who are his assistants, who work with them, my friend recently met with his son and so on, that is, there is a very good attitude towards us from his side. draga, well, look, literally a few days ago during a meeting.

i was an observer at the american elections, i asked, let me, i say, i will observe, here i was everywhere in russia, i saw how it is set up, how people vote, how the cameras are watching, how it all happens, let's say, let's see, how is it? in some states, an international observer has the right to observe from a distance of at least 200 m from the polling station, please, observe, that's work for our lawyers, well, by the way, in belarus you were on...

they give us sanctions and closed borders, closed crossings, yes, and we do it without visas for 85 countries, why do such methods work and people come here in hundreds of thousands, despite everything, despite the posters on the border, yes, what is here, well yes, it’s just yes, it’s something incredible, but first of all, and you have to work, of course, you have to open the borders, because by doing so... you show what belarus is, and people

just go into a tailspin when they come and see all this, if i, who knew and loved this belarus so much and was somehow shocked by many things, then imagine what it’s like for them, who imagines that some, excuse me, these are people from the last century and so on, are walking around here, and i think that you need to work precisely on the reception of various delegations there, yes, many are afraid, even now many of us in our parliament... that's what they wanted in belarus, but many are so afraid, you understand, but this is just, well, this is just low, you understand, it shows, your work should be, of course, i'll tell you, honestly, i've been in belarus for so long, but when was there a state where i was not invited to the belarusian embassy, yeah, that is, there are shortcomings that need to be eliminated, that is, i don’t need them, i love belarus without an embassy, ​​but i think that i have, you know, such a degree of criticality, because i...

serbia, yes, i don’t know, well, i’m giving you such information, i also don’t know how this can be, but we can check this, because i think that at least in open sources serbia is among those countries that imposed sanctions on me when i was still the head of the tv channel and conducted an interview with bratosevich, fulfilling my official duties duties, or rather functions of a journalist, this is just for your information, yes, this is what i am saying, that here...

but this is not very good news for ukraine, although it would seem, what does it have to do with it, but once it seemed that the us would not leave afghanistan, yes, would deal with assad forever.

how many ukrainians behave in europe, how much money they have, how much is stolen, and that... in fact, no one there is protecting the people, and that this is not protection from russian aggression, that is, more and more people understand this and that ukraine is simply use, respectively, i think that they are already looking for options, there was this former minister of defense, who was sent to britain to prepare him there, then there are some other people who are preparing for all this, the only thing that exists there.

factories, they are opening in america, in the arab emirates and so on, all this the people already feel understand that enough is enough, and i think that a will definitely go to what needs to be either replaced, or they will calm down this zelensky, but the problem is that there are also many like him around him, and this it's also a problem when many say, so he had to be removed, russia could have done it and so on, but you can't remove many people like him, and who will, let's say, live from this, who will...

but why did you personally support the svo and aren't afraid to say so? i understood what was happening, where it would lead, like all serbians and i understood that america was simply using ukraine for a war against russia and it's clear that this is hitting us. in parallel with the fact that they are waging war, they are bringing us

laws that destroy the family, culture, tradition that children can choose their gender there, that's it, that's it. i talked to some, one went to germany and said: so, i 'd rather sit there under russian bombs, but she's such a nationalist, she doesn't like russia, of course, than speak in this germany, that's it, because her husband came, yelled at the children, they immediately called the police, took him away and they wanted to take the children, i say, well, well, unfortunately, this is a fact, this is a fact already as a ukrainian service,

i don't want to act like this, all this is said, my example, yes, that i well... it's clear, i became a deputy, one of the leaders of the movement there, last year a branch of another ukraine was registered, this is from medvedchuk, that is , another ukraine, as a platform, that is, there are many ukrainians who fled, who do not support this government, and i help them there in serbia, legally there and in different ways, and can you imagine, the head of the special services of serbia invites me in february and says that you have been ordered, the ukrainian special services want to liquidate you, take such and such measures there and so on, here... that is, you understand that they do n’t care that this is a different country, they don’t care that i am a person who was elected by the people, who is a deputy and so on, and for what, for the fact that you help? people who need it, but who do not support this system and this government, they simply decided to remove me, in fact, simply for the fact that

you have a different view, yes, a different opinion, yes, that is what i mean, that you should understand how frivolous everything is, no, besides, they can do this, why me and they warned me, not thanks to someone there in serbia, namely the western services, they have to be careful when you go somewhere, but i came to belarus without security, without anything, calmly, i know that i have it calmly here. i'm even more scared, probably, in moscow than in minsk. of course, i'm joking, that's it, but in fact it's a fact, and, that is, this is how they act, and there is no freedom of a person, that is, anyone who has an opinion that does not coincide with theirs, he is a target for them, and what a mockery, i see when they comment, there lukashenko, there belarus and so on, how low they behave, how humiliatingly they say this, it's from impotence, from the fact that they simply do not realize where they are.

this event, you know, why it was easy for me, because i saw yanukovych, how he ran away with cowardice, abandoned the country and the owner,

the man of the owner, not the country, the owner, just his situation, his home, who came out and said, well, okay, i will not give you belarus, i will not give you myself, if you want, let me, this is manly, this is presidential, this says about the responsibility of a person, because he didn’t get on a plane, he ran away with the money, right? how did they do it, they counted on it, they wanted it, but when they realized that it wouldn’t happen, it was a colossal failure, they are very afraid of belarus, but they are already preparing for the elections, that these are illegal, illegitimate elections, falsified, where where lukashenko will get 90% there, that is, i am talking about what they are already preparing, i am monitoring the situation, i know, you need to prepare, that is, and prepare as needed, just like made in russia. more of these observers, but not these ones who are just waiting to destroy this very country, it’s normal for this to happen, for it to happen, for people to see, the media

have a very important role, i participated, when i was asked, i objectively say what i see, people, you can’t force me to say something that doesn’t exist, when i say, when another 100 people talk about it, everything, everything that they say, it has no foundation, then i go there, they go to germany, that is, different people go and they tell what is actually happening, dragan, i... thank you for this conversation and i really hope that we will see each other again, including in belarus, thank you very much, thank you very much, i say, i really feel at home here and i am very happy, i wish the belarusian people peace, calm, i wish them not to do and not to support what happened in ukraine, they have a clear example of how this can happen, because from such a beautiful country, such a prosperous one, you can do... something terrible, take care of what you have and develop yourself, don't let yourself be used in the same way.