this is the marching zone, and after returning from these cosmic distances he promised himself to definitely visit this region at the first opportunity, but he was beaten to it, our fellow countryman, klemuk, who was born in this area, who was formed here, he beat him to it by several.

and the village itself is not that old, the fact is that the main settlement was located beyond the bug, this is vladava, and this area is high, so picturesque, it was used more for such a sanatorium and resort purpose, estates of wealthy people were formed here, people came here for a rest. moreover, back in the 19th century, the russian tsar alexander during maneuvers here, he fell in love with these places, not by chance, because he met his passion here, who then went with him to st. petersburg and lived for a very long time, this is a very famous romantic story in the historiography of russian tsars. already in the thirties, it was defined as a very promising. recreation area

for the nationwide poland of that time, no less interesting is the conditional satellite of the village of tomashovka, orhova. then there was a requirement stalin's government, so that the settlements were not located on the border, they were all resettled. there was a small village called galendry, which was later renamed stanislavovka in honor of the king in polish history, but it is no longer there, it was also resettled here, and thus, today's tamashovka, it became like an accumulator of these settlements that were resettled from the western bug, today this moshovka looks great, especially considering that an artificial lake has appeared here, here there is a wonderful wonderful forest park, here there are also wild forests.

roman, good evening, good, summer, airplane, rotosevich, well, history is cyclical, and not so long ago the whole internet was again alarmed by your photos by the window, like a flight, you know, it's normal, i expected that maybe there would be some fear, of the flight, something else, surprisingly it went absolutely calmly for me. that is, i didn't have any stress, there was no panic, anxiety, surprisingly everything somehow went very calmly, i would even say well, well, let's be honest, there was some kind of reaction around, they recognized me, but honestly i didn't pay attention, maybe i should have paid attention out of interest, but i somehow tried not to turn my head around too much, to watch how people react and so on, although yes, and the boarding of the plane was full, not a single free seat, yeah, well, then even more, yes, such breakdowns for

the world community, definitely, and i think that in the near future there will be a lot more news from me, so to speak, original content and original ideas, well, let's go to... then, they monitor your movements, and here are your former comrades, they are carefully there is no need to doubt it, well, recently the most hyped welder, yes, rested in dubai, it turns out that the salary is enough for flights to the emirates, well, and just the salary of a welder naturally would not be enough, no matter how well you work, after all, dubai is one of the most expensive places in the world, but it is important to say. that, firstly, i had certain savings, because in parallel with the work of a welder i try not to to abandon the business that i have been doing for most of my adult life, this is journalism, i still write sometimes i shoot something, even if i do it remotely on

a freelance basis for various publications and so on, but i am still worth something in a professional sense, i manage to earn a little on this, among other things, so a... yes, indeed, in our workshop, for example, this enterprise of ours is called the minsk electrotechnical plant, we work for the energy industry of the country, welders with experience, who are already quite work for a long time and work very hard, overtime, and significantly exceed the plan,

yes, they can receive 9 and 10 thousand rubles. moreover, for some reason, it comes as a shock to many that now at various enterprises and factories. very good money from scratch, in fact, for many, it will probably also be a surprise, but now, in many ways, the teams are young people who really change spheres, they go to production, because there are now, perhaps, some of the best salaries in the country, and this is honest work,

because no one is holding back salaries, good money, some stability, social packages and all that, it 's really in demand now, and what... the most interesting thing is that demand for labor is also growing, it's just that for some reason very little is said about it. i dare to remind you that these are precisely the enterprises that you really wanted to ruin, yes, along with your colleagues at the time, but thank god they survived, it was a long time ago and it's not true, let's say it this way, well, okay, the president recently presented state awards, most of them were just for ordinary people, a forester, an electrician, a forklift driver, that's how you see it.

so, you've been free for a long time, you fly, you work and you even write, that's all true. and the sanctions for your tortures, as they were, remain, belavia does not fly on all the routes that were

closed, yes, the sky is closed, well, even me, torture during interviews, no entry, to the eu, even to serbia, not to mention. already there about foggy albion, it turns out, it was possible, why does the west, which hung your photos in every airport, so not want to notice that you are free and...

of course there were requests for interviews, but earlier, and after that it sometimes turned into, i would say, some kind of circus, because western tabloids were more interested in some secrets of my personal life, who my chosen ones were and all that, than in my life, my criminal cases, fines and all that, and they were much more interested in this than any kind of politics, this only shows that... at one time they made such a figure out of me, then, well, at most they just wrote something,

either some nasty things about me, or made another throw-in, then his release from prison basically marked such a rubicon, after that you became uninteresting, yes, of course, that is, yes, if we talk specifically about some, i would say ex-belarusian media, opposition, then yes, of course, they still write there and any of my... it is discussed quite widely, but if we talk about some of the largest western publications, then of course my name has probably not appeared there for a very long time, yes, i meant specifically the big fish like cnn, there the new york times or someone else, because everything what is located a little to the west, well, really, this is especially writing about belarus, i personally do not trust, okay, roman, today it is fashionable to reason in cases, so here is the ex-chief.

it turns out that it is not so scary to ask for something? of course, and i think that these waves of amnesty that are passing will continue to confirm this. life, what choices will you make? and do you yourself understand how difficult it is

to make such a choice for many, step over yourself, admit that you are wrong? you know, it depends on the person, well, you understood it's great that the hate will be colossal, well, of course, but all these comments on the internet are nothing more than information noise, from which if you disconnect, it turns out that ordinary normal life actually goes on. and nothing terrible happened, somewhere they will make some noise, write, that's it, it will pass, they will forget about it, but you have to live on somehow, in general, all this information noise, it very often really just interferes with life, but it is better not to immerse yourself in it, this is true, but for those who are still thinking about this, do you have any advice, because the commission is working, it is still working, of course, there are also advice, there are also suggestions. ah, moreover, i will say that after the beginning of this

return of mine to the copper circle, which has been happening recently, i began to restore quite a lot of contacts with people who are in vilnius in warsaw, from some stories from there, by the way, exclusive, especially for your program i prepared another interesting story, which i learned literally the day before yesterday, and there even the local prosecutor's office got excited, but that's a separate story, which means that many people are really writing, and many have long since come to the realization that, uh, not so much the mistakes made, but the awareness that there and - with the entire opposition, with the so-called democratic forces, there is no future there, well, you yourself are sure of this, or they also think so or are starting to think so, they understand this, but it is also possible, in some cases, they have not formulated this for themselves to the end, you know, like at a reception at psychologist, a psychologist will never give direct answers to a question, he will gradually

push the person to give an answer to the question that worries him, here... something similar happens and it is more reminiscent of some kind of mass group psychotherapy session, when people really gradually begin to see everything, yes, it took a lot of time, yes it may not be easy, yes sometimes it is simply difficult to admit your mistakes or some omissions, but everything comes to this and comes en masse, many are already doing great understand what is happening about the fact that... that, and maybe it would be nice to go back home, but how? and the only obstacle that stands in the way of this is - this fear of some kind of responsibility, the fear that suddenly i didn’t do anything like that there, suddenly i’ll come and they’ll lock me up, but again, and you really, i’ve just

started to delve much deeper into the topics of the commissions’ work, and especially upon returning, and i can say that... to the person behind his back, yeah, well, but the person himself knows very well, firstly, that he has was, and secondly, he can get completely official information, and the state is responsible for this information, and the attorney general is personally responsible for this, naturally, naturally, all this will be absolutely honestly legal, i have also been thinking

about this topic for a long time lately, perhaps i think that there are options on how to further improve the work of these commissions so that, perhaps, people would have, i would say, fewer fears and more determination to return here, perhaps having reworked a little legislation, at least in the area of ​​what if a person really didn't commit any violent crimes, let's say he really went out somewhere once and stood with a flag, yes, it's clear that this is participation in unauthorized mass events, this could be criminal... liability, but as i think, it's possible, and does it make sense to think through some kind of mechanism when a person will, even remotely, write a sincere confession in exchange for in exchange for the fact that upon returning to the country, yes, he will be forced to answer questions investigators, but will receive, say, a suspended sentence or some other form of punishment not

related to real imprisonment, okay, novel, and today?

and return home to start with a clean slate, if i can help these people, then i will certainly do it, well, let's remember another recent i'll live to see it, yes summer? plane durov, you don't find any analogies, why is what is allowed to the french now, but was not allowed

to the belarusians in the twenty-first year, and where are the sanctions, cr france, for example, well, let's do it this way let's be honest, let's talk not like roman, who came to markov for an interview, but as a person who is sensible, and at the same time a writer, how would you formulate the answer to this question from this position, firstly, parallels... there are parallels that are quite obvious, obvious, yes - secondly, i almost immediately openly stated that this is a very strange situation, and this is essentially a direct attack on - freedom of speech and the privacy of personal correspondence, which are unconditional attributes of human rights, and such an act, to be honest, is hard to wrap my head around, because... firstly, especially people with a lower level of knowledge probably didn’t really realize that it turns out that in europe this is actually possible and quite widespread,

despite the image of a blooming garden and democracy that has been created over the years, and secondly, the very fact that in the modern world they are detaining the creator of a messenger in which, say, a billion users hope that he has some kind of magic keys, well, forgive me, it’s funny, it’s either complete professional incompetence, or, what is more likely, it is a direct political act, it is a direct act of pressure on something that the state is not capable of controlling, because the way it is set up, the media practically everywhere, one way or another, are controlled either by some oligarchs or by some political forces. we talk about this all the time, that what cannot be controlled, accordingly, for example, telegram, and if they cannot control it, well, apparently an idea came up, let's detain the creator and see,

what will come of this, suddenly, well, well, well, apparently, something worked out, information appeared on durov's official channel that telegram will now cooperate with law enforcement agencies, give out phone numbers to which ip addresses are linked to accounts, and for many this... for some reason came as such a shock, listen, well, people who are really in the know know that telegram used to give out even more complete data, practically for any requests, when, as they say, they politely asked for it, well, when they politely asked, you know, here is a parallel that is actually quite interesting, that is, it was enough for durovov to visit places not so remote of the french special services, and after that he was very, as you say, willing...

this account, that's it, i abandoned it, or even deleted it, i don't remember anymore, but the point is that yes, now it is often much easier to promote some new content than it seems, because, especially if it is like now...

a huge number of means for popularization, now there are more of them than ever before. how do you react in general to those messages from on the part of your former comrades, that, let's say, your work is now in the information space, it is not as popular as before? firstly, let's say this, i will say that i never went for any popularity or fame, yes, recognition was important to me, but recognition and popularity are two slightly different things. that is, is it enough for you that you are famous? no, for me it was always enough just recognition, which i, it seems to me, did not receive for a long time, then i came to this and calmed down, and fame actually has many more minuses than pluses, and i will say this, that i am now and moreover, in the information space i have not yet started working and i think that this will also be...

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. here is the pardoned one. fairy tale, so everything is ahead, but the very fact that, probably, i even published these names, it was, well, i don’t know, consider, probably, my little trolling - all opposition media and so-called

human rights organizations, where all information that is there at all appears, but this is generally a long-standing trend, it is simply a reprint of state resources, because there have been no informants or sources there for a long time.

thanks to the pardon commission, i remember her last name, yes, already in her native country, and you said that she works. yes, she has been in belarus for more than a year and everything is in order with her, but of those whom you know, does any of these people regret that they turned to the commission and returned to belarus? not a single person, not a single person, not a single one regrets, it is clear that everyone's life can develop differently, someone has problems in their personal life, someone has problems with health, something else can theoretically be, but it was the desire to return home about their return home, no one regretted, and moreover, again,

it is difficult to pretend that nothing happened, here we need to learn the ability to forgive from the president, who releases even those who were imprisoned for insulting the head of state directly. roman, why do you think it is now that there is such a surge of people ready to admit their mistakes? not a year, not two years ago, right now, on the eve of the 25th company. you know, there may be many conspiracy theories, thoughts that this may be part of some plan, but in reality everything is simpler, but in reality i would not even connect this with the upcoming presidential election campaign in belarus, which

will be in 2025, i believe that this is connected with such a surge of people wanting to return, connected with the leaders who fled, everyone has already become. is now in a state of cold war, as is russia with the western world, well, it is not us they started, yes, but the point is different, when, because it has always been like this historically, when some external enemy appears, no matter

what the internal problems are, people unite, and partly the same thing is happening here, and partly it’s just time to stop living in the past and move on, they

have been unable to do anything for several, several, a couple of years, that’s for sure, their words have lost any meaning, their words have lost any real power or at least any agreements with the west, because the times have already passed, well is this your personal opinion or is the communication that you have, as you said, it strengthens you in this opinion, is it rather? there are created on these issues, it has always

been like the prerogative of exclusively these organizations, and here the state itself takes and releases people without their participation, without their participation in some negotiations and so on, that is, this essentially deprives them of some topics, instruments of pressure and basic financing, this is the first point, the second point is that many forces are very afraid of the beginning of a normal dialogue between belarus and the west, but many people do not understand that this dialogue, firstly, has never ended, and secondly , belarus is taking new steps towards each other even publicly, which even the president has repeatedly stated, even just a week ago, it seems, regarding poland, that we...

but the point is that this is already happening, and the negotiations and contacts between belarus and european countries, they have not gone anywhere, moreover, i will even slightly open the curtain of secrecy, i myself have participated in similar meetings several times, i will not say where, with whom when, but it happened, and these are real meetings, these are real negotiations and so on, so if they are afraid of this, then...

it can happen, but i don't believe in it, i'll explain why, because they have already become too familiar, too boring, this is one thing, secondly, i have already repeatedly emphasized, no, i well i don't believe in it, of course, i have said all sorts of things, one very simple phrase about the fact that the essence of politics and the success of political forces depends on how much this political force can create. moreover, now, i think that in another year or two, we will remember the current so-called opposition leaders, in fact, in about the same way as, well, i don’t know, about some, god forgive me, milinkevich or sannikov, well, hardly anyone

remembers them anymore, they are rarities, well, the same thing will happen to them with the current representatives and leaders of the opposition. people i know, and this concerns both warsaw and vilnius, but let’s start with warsaw, because now, i would say, probably the main locomotive there is pavel pavlych latushka, widely known, who is aiming for tikhanovskaya's chair, but he can't jump there, he

really wants to get there, of course, but somehow everything is not going well, i already told you, and about how he did not get to the usa, because he wanted, in fact, to take his mistress and daughter with him to a serious conference, but the adventure does not end there, the fact is that in his organization, which is called now, it recently turned out that two former, as far as i know, activists, this is a girl named zhivoglot, who previously initially worked,

i don’t remember the name of the district, but the warsaw district prosecutor’s office is already working on this issue, they tried their best to give him this internal scandal, not to give him any kind of a glare, but it doesn’t work out, not bad, and moreover, a plan was developed in connection with which, if this were to surface somewhere, then the polish curators, let’s call them that, were given the order to discredit these two people as much as possible. with their comrades, that is, now we will see how enormous pressure will be exerted on these two people, on zhivoglot and kotov, and there will be there will be complete discrediting, and in general i am almost sure that there will be more phrases like, yes, he was fired the day before yesterday, you know,

as often happens in such situations, but the problems do not end there, because all in that wife recently went through for... audi , of course, there is a whole bunch of complaints, starting with the fact that they were simply asked, by the way, about the security of data and documentation, they were simply asked to install a simple cabinet that would be locked with a key, because the papers were stored in unguarded offices, according to in fact, there is no internal documentation, no video surveillance systems, nothing like that, for some reason many functionaries inside this organization were against installing surveillance cameras. as a result , they managed to come to an agreement among themselves , they just took it, bought the cheapest one and installed it, just to close the box, although, again, the safety of personal data, the safety of some internal documentation, which can be very sensitive, and

there was no protection or safety at all, but that's not all, let's continue, then, the thing is that there is a polish international... solidarity fund, i think that's what it's called, and through this fund quite a lot of organizations, opposition ones , receive funding, so the thing is that the fund is starting to have big problems, already now and they are cutting their funding by more, well, by 30 in some cases by more than 30%, and this affects not...

moreover, it turns out that now with the arrival of the new government, the same minister of foreign affairs, quite well-known, mr. sekorski, it turns out that he the belarusian topic is not interesting at all, only ukraine is of interest to him, and many political representatives of this belarusian, as they call themselves, opposition political elite, tried to establish bridges with them, bridges with him. as a result, refusals literally on all fronts, about financing belsat, by the way, about kolonovites, just a couple of weeks ago

they tried to push this topic in a conversation with him, he refused to talk at all, and refused to talk elementarily about registration, the so-called transitional cabinet in poland and generally giving them at least some official status, there are refusals everywhere, everything is moving towards the fact that in general now poland is simply officially... because in essence for the current new authorities the opposition was doing this, if the opposition was doing this, it needs to be closed, now there will be very big problems, because most likely any contacts with the official authorities of poland will, not only be reduced, funding will be significantly reduced and there will be refusals to register some important initiatives or political... organizations and i think everyone understands perfectly well what this will lead to, in lithuania many have already been declared almost enemies of the people, and the poles

are simply being a little more careful and are simply gradually, little by little, blocking almost all the channels, because a new government has come, and a new broom sweeps in a new way, so it turns out that in poland the authorities do not like what the opposition is doing. i am not in any way humiliating you for such a little childish naivety, you are surprised that these people, yes, who sold out their

homeland, well, by and large, that they will to live an honest life, having fled abroad, well is it true, well i don't think so, let's do it this way, but you know, such a small remark, after all the last scandal, which even the same blogger virus wrote about in his telegram, a whole marathon was announced there a year ago.

on the forum on the seventeenth, will you go to the elections in the twenty-fifth year and how will you choose who to vote for? as a citizen, i will certainly take part in the election campaign and we will see what and how will happen, and i think that - i hope that this is generally will be honestly, the most boring elections - in the history of the country, boring in the sense that there will be no upheavals. because well, i wouldn't want to, well, really, that's enough, who will i vote for, firstly, i think it's

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