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in 1915, chechersk received the right to self-government, the so-called magdeburg law. and then a special building was built for the rada. wooden town hall, which has not survived to this day. there is not much historical data about this monument. it is known that the town hall once stood in the middle of a large square, had a large striking clock, and stood on its tower. a watchman who announced the arrival of guests. near the town hall there were shops, about 76. other information is often exclude each other and can only confuse. it is impossible, for example, to find out how many storeys the town hall had? all sources give a different number of storeys, probably depending on what each of the authors understood by the word storey. we do not know its original appearance, nor the author, nor the exact time of its
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construction. in 1772, after the partition of the polish-lithuanian commonwealth, chechersk became part of the russian empire. and just a year later, in 1773, the town passed into the possession of zakhar grigorievich chernyshov. at the insistence of the russian commander the construction of a new stone town hall began. the year the construction began and the name of the architect are silent in history. now the building dates back to the end of the 16th century. also , three churches and a catholic church appeared in chechersk. the building of the chechersk stone town hall is rectangular. it has two floors in height. on the sides, the roof is crowned with four-sided towers with spires. in the center of the roof, on a raised drum, a fifth tower is installed, narrowed at the top. the window on the first floor is rectangular, on the second - lancet with an arched finish. cornices
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decorated with figured brackets. the towers on the roof are made of wood, but their decorations match the composition and stone decorations on the rest of the building. this trend was observed in russian architecture of the 16th century. after the war, the building was used by the city administration. in early 1974, the town hall was badly damaged during a fire, which destroyed all the wooden structures. repair and restoration work dragged on until 2004. the town hall building was ceremonially opened on september 24, 2004, on the day of the 845th anniversary of the city of chechersk. visit to chechersk visit to the town hall is part of a series of educational familiarization tours around belarus. today, the town hall building houses the historical and ethnographic. welcome to
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belarus. about five years ago, the word. propaganda in our sphere for some reason was considered almost an insult, that is, if propaganda of a healthy lifestyle or propaganda of traditional values, it is supposedly good, and if propaganda from tv, then it is supposedly bad. i prefer to propagate the truth, so i will say it now, that called objective journalism in the people, in its pure form it does not exist and never existed. and the word regime, by the way, regardless of what kind of regime it is, authoritarian or dictatorial, is also a completely normal word. the honesty of the president is difficult for those who in their minds in politics rely precisely on the western model, there it is customary to constantly leave something out of the audience if it seems unpleasant to the audience, and to tell people only pleasant things, because the west does not see people in people, but an electorate, and it is needed
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to legitimize power for a new term. propaganda of common sense and truth, this is the kind of propaganda that people need first and foremost. igor turai's author's project - propaganda. watch on the belarus24 tv channel.
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evgeny, good evening, good, investment banker and professor at the higher school of economics, consultant. and the author of the spitsogan telegram channel with 300 thousand subscribers, well, this is only one telegram channel, yes, this is only one, you have, i counted six, but there may be more, plus a youtube channel, plus vk, plus viber, plus whatever, that is, you use everything tools, so how
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did you turn from an ordinary financier into the most media-oriented one, you even acted in films, it happened, well, about films, it was just you know, it was cool to try, i decided, it worked out, but if we talk about media, you know, it was completely by accident, this is the child who grew up in my arms, well , i have been involved in investments, it is no secret for 33-34 years, it happened, i have accumulated colossal experience, i began to share it on social networks, just telling, you know, this is so, this is so, this will be like this, guys, so don't freak out. people, when they come to financial markets, they go crazy, they make a huge number of mistakes, they don't understand why they came there, this is not only a question of financial markets, in the economy, in all their well-known actions, they are very often irrational, and i think that it is simply my, well, duty, or something,
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to give people a little bit of this experience of understanding, and at the same time to give the opportunity to think about whether you want to think ahead, do this and that, if you want to form your own pension, go ahead, do not want to go crazy? that's what i draw attention to attention, no, well and so on, and i started writing, well since i like it, i do it from the heart, and it's no secret, it helps business, then little by little and then it turned into, really, at some point i made a telegram channel on the advice of friends, well they told me, you will have an audience of several tens of thousands of people maximum, who are interested in investments, well today this is already a really huge audience, people are interested in finance, investments, what will happen next? what are the global trends, we'll probably talk about this, what what will happen to their personal money, where are the scammers, is of interest first of all, to the majority of the population, everyone thinks, so what if you know, again the topic of scammers, there are a lot of them, they are trying to get our
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money by any means, they call me regularly, well , we will definitely talk about scammers today, but you worked in israel, worked with americans. in everything, you know, with the israelis, with the emirates, by the way, amazing guys, with americans, and europeans, and russians, and belarusians, with anyone. western corporations are a niche, lack of information is a niche law, although
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they have become a little smarter now, but against them are people who are engaged in business, who are used to, here is our russian businessman, he has been used to finding options for 30 years, you understand, that's why i laugh, i say, moses led jews for 40 years, yes, our reality has been raising our businessmen for 30 years, and you guys want to do something in a year? in new conditions that are far from economic, these are not conditions, they have to work, and this simply not economic conditions, they themselves do not understand what to do, they are afraid to often take some actions, you see, russian business is built very interestingly, the brains of a russian businessman and a foreign one, a foreign one is always used to working in a very clear way.
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with any person with a joke, here is something encouraging on the topic of sanctions, for example, do
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you have, of course, you know, well, let's start with the fact that why i like jokes or anecdotes, you know, such a concentrated expression of sarcasm or, on the contrary, a description of some reality, this is a very wise thing, in fact, a joke and a profound anecdote, but about sanctions, you know, you told me about the westerners, this came to my mind: a joke, the main problem of our western counterparties today is to find gray schemes to circumvent their own sanctions, this is true, this is absolutely true, well, and another evil anecdote also on this topic, you understand, what was our number there, there was the fifteenth package, the fifteenth, you know what will happen, about what, what is the most important sanctions, which our, so to speak, best friends are thinking through? to think through the mechanisms for anatoly borisovich's return to russia with a new privatization program, it will be
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difficult for him now, but his red beard is remembered too well, oh well, you know, i'm just in the comments, yes, about the westerners, i don't think it's a joke now, but it's always very strange how scholz manages to politically justify the need for the blown up nord stream in the interests of germany, this is a paradox for me, but he manages to do it. for 2 years it's completely normal, well it just says that he's probably unprofessional, as a politician, as a politician, he's fit, as with the economy it's a little more complicated, okay, the german one, today in principle talking about money, it's bad form, or is it already normal, about money, talking about money is not that it's bad form, but it's normal, and not just normal, money is, you see, at the moment when we make a cult out of money, it's a disease, it's not interesting.
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in fact, what you and i are in center, in the epicenter of some experiment, if you understand these relationships laws well, you can work miracles. to ask the question, how much do you earn - this is... maviton, here to ask the state how much it will invest in social programs, this is absolutely normal, and this needs to be promoted, and there is money there and there, you noted this very correctly, evgeny, meanwhile crime, here you touched on this topic, yes, in the virtual sphere, it already occupies a quarter of all, yes, the other day even larisa dolina was caught, she was caught
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it was a fraudulent scheme, yes, i sold an apartment in moscow, that's how they write, at least. it turns out yes, why threaten with an axe if you can scam over the phone? here is the fortress that you initially disowned, yes, and then you plunged into it headlong, this is also a subject of fraud. here on the same instagram, almost every day we see infocygans there, yes, who tell how they were orphans, yes, in one moment they became millionaires, here are endless courses, mining, blockchain, of course, and most often it's simple. transfer real money, and i will withdraw it to you in crypto, for example, on the field of miracles, yes, it's true, but why not regulate this sphere by law and how? well , let's start with the fact that we can't regulate scammers in any way, they were, they will be, unfortunately, but this is part of common life, if a country doesn't have its own righteous people, then there are no
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scammers, then there are always both, you understand, but this is a joke, but seriously, look, the world is developing, the same hammer, it can be used for construction, for hammering nails, it can be used for completely different purposes for breaking a computer, for example, for breaking a computer, you can’t regulate everything, you know, these are basic things, but that is, there are things that just need to be built correctly, they should work correctly, but from the point of view of regulation, i absolutely agree with you, if we are talking about crypto. crypto is essentially a kind of illegitimate daughter, not a legitimate child, maybe, but a legitimate blockchain, blockchain is the technology that is part of our life today, so crypto has become part of our life, business arose, mining arose, an understanding arose that crypto is a unique sphere, a unique product, by the way,
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a product is either money, you understand, yes , it is also a discussion, but is it necessary to regulate, yes, it is necessary, yes, it is necessary, another thing is that regulation should be of a reasonable nature, stimulating rather, that is, please, earned on crypto, present, show, as in america, by the way, in this regard they are simple, that is, earned in crypto, count, pay taxes, go, please, what is the difference in
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candy wrappers crepe is not a question, this is the first thing, accordingly, simplicity and ease of reporting. this is correct, the introduction of this from the gray zone to the white zone, yes, this is reality, it gave us a feeling, it solves such and such problems, pay attention, today the central bank of russia, which previously said, guys, crypto, yes over our dead body, we don’t even want to know, and what in the end? they said, you know, that for foreign economic settlements, yes, perhaps, yeah, yes, this is really so, because today try sanctions, pay off. many today can buy for rubles crypto, this crypto allows you to pay off your partners and solve the problem of sanctions, because not one biden, not one paolo, not one, i don’t know the head of the cro, he can’t close, especially if you calculate with those stable coin that is circulating and the issuer is here, that’s all, that is, this is the most important tool, which today is intended to solve a huge
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number, in particular, calculation tasks, import tasks, so you know, they tell me: now there is a catastrophe, import, everything has stopped, yes, this is nonsense, people will invent 30 ways, while there are various countries around russia that want to make money on this business, in which there are enterprising people, it's great, now since this is a new area, it will be, you know, i look globally, why trump, and he is not a fool, although he seems like a peculiar person, but he is a very smart person, expressive, it seems, nothing more, well, god bless him, well, let him be like this, everyone has already gotten used to it, he is like this. why does trump say that he wants to make the crypto capital of the united states. okay, it will work out, no it will work out - this is a separate conversation, but he plays. these are his political, so to speak, games, but today in the world there really is a huge number of people who would like to make a normal, white business out of this
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, understandable what, and it is in demand, therefore competition will begin very soon for countries, between countries, regions that will offer more comfortable legislation and conditions of opportunity for the same it specialists, for the same guys who are engaged in this, of course, and this industry, it gives... and here the position of the state is very important, yes, it should be clearly formulated and accordingly enshrined in law, then there will be a normal result,
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there will be a white scheme, as you say, right, well, in total, your audience is more than a million, yes people, but you plan to bring it to 10 million, how realistic is it to do this at the present time, when in principle foreign platforms are extremely hostile to us. you know, at the present time, i have already said, on the one hand, this is hostility, that's how it is, on the other hand, we have a wild lack of information, a wild lack of trust in information and the one who breaks through this wall will say: guys, let's do it this way, you can read me, you can not read me, i tell you what the laws of development are, how they work, what are the possibilities, then people say:
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buy a new meta, yes, or create a new meta, but in russia what, investments in information sources, aren't they equal to state security today, absolutely, absolutely, everyone understands this, and i think that what they do, excuse me then, and with us, look, there are two options, the smart option, regulate, encourage those who carry reasonable, kind eternal and vice versa, give them all the opportunities, well and where there is a swindler...
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i understand you, each one should have a wild number of experts, no need, the state should form the general rules of the game, then, then this can be given over to the professional communities, who will figure it out themselves, we need to work with them, you know, and here everything is fine, the main thing is to set them tasks, guys, we need to solve social problems, whoever solves it is a great guy, whoever does it so that people money just disappears, he is not a good guy, that means members. associations should be those that are correct, who will decide this themselves, there is no need to decide from above, you understand, it seems to me, this is probably more rational, more rational, i agree, but it turns out from
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your words, in order to conditionally create a new youtube, yes or develop an existing oneb, the state simply creates conditions, and business does this, of course, but again rutube, vk, other resources, they are capital-intensive, of course, now this is a niche. good personnel, then this is great, this is the right one social task, well that's great, the guys are creating a network, we have kolkova, accordingly, go there, ask for a grant,
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get a grant and work. create a network that will be a useful, b, which will optimize employers' costs for labor in search, well, let it earn, reasonably, but normally, that's great, that's why i say, you see, when you understand what your priorities are, the state's tasks are priorities, we want people to live better, new jobs are great, here's the industry, we talked about crypto, let's we will make it as an industry, we will do what the people working in it are the right people, well...
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to put it on a rainy day, yes or save it for a rainy day, what is really happening now in the world of finance, yes, here is the stock market crash on august 5 in america, and in the world, this is not the beginning of the new 1987, yes, when the stocks collapsed, can we say that this is a one-off thing, or is it already a process or a trend, for now it looks like a small shake-up and... significant, but as they say, you know, once the spoons were found, the sediment remained, that we have what's happening, let's see, the american and the world market in general has grown at an unrealistic rate over the past year, six months, why, the crazy capitalization of companies related to artificial intelligence has grown, and by and large a bubble, because artificial intelligence will solve all our problems, everyone ran to nvidia, amd and so on, this thesis yes, yes, this is known, we went through
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this many times in our time. secondly, a colossal budget deficit, huge debts of american corporations, in particular banks, a lot of problems have accumulated, there is a slowdown american economy, because they have high rates, geopolitics are also colossal challenges and problems with logistics, the rise in the cost of logistics schemes, the rise in the cost of checks, you understand, this is also inflation, which is announced in america, that it is 2-3-4% there, but in reality... people who go to the store understand that everything is a little different, well, these are methods, no one is deceiving, these are just such methods, let's leave this in the country, but you understand, a huge number has accumulated and not only these problems, then, at some point, large investors, i follow large investors and what they do on the stock exchange, buffett said that he was selling and sold a big apple stake, yeah, the owner of ai is also selling, this guy from the leather jacket is also selling everything.
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his stakes, the guys understand this, overvalued, a huge number of individuals, funds come to the market, who say hooray-hooray, well, it always happens, so look, black monday, its reason was the decision of the bank of japan to raise the rate, let's be honest, they raised it to zero, well, by pennies, the rate became 25%, but nothing, but the ena was 160, instantly 140.
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it turned out that not everything was lost, everything was found, by and large things calmed down little by little, this is what was happening, this very black monday, in itself this event is insignificant, it is just a shake-up, it happens on the stock market, this is not an institution of noble deviations, this is normal, these are emotions, but now here are the practical conclusions, this all makes you think about the fact that all these inflated pozzi are a serious thing, the slowdown is happening, when... everyone says that the world was dragged along by china, which gave a confident 5, 5.5% economic growth, china is trying, it is stimulating its economy now, it is still 4.7, it is not working, the population is heavily indebted, demand is weak, you understand, there are many, many problems, therefore - do i expect shocks, do i think that these are the first warning signs, yes i think, i think that these
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are the first warning signs, in the world there is... formatting in parallel with this, and what do you think? to the thesis, which sounds something like this: america deliberately provoked the war in ukraine in order to economically weaken europe and russia to earn, in in the end, i will not tell the whole chain, yes, to earn 90 trillion dollars in the end in order to reduce their economic problems. you know, the fact that americans are used to solving their problems with someone else's hands, we know this very well.
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we will create, invent or they will create themselves, and we will simply push the problems around the world, then we will regulate. you know, what worries me most in this story, there is a theory of controlled chaos, which helps to solve various problems in the end, due to planting others to pull out their economy, well honestly, yeah, and there is a theory of uncontrolled chaos, that's the problem, and those who think... that chaos is controlled, it will always be controlled, that's where the guys are very cruelly mistaken, at some point, you see, there is a reformatting today, i already said, of this world, and the financial world, because many people ask themselves the question, why
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is everything arranged this way, wrong, irrational, unfair, and who benefits from it, to be honest , i'm writing a book on this topic right now i write, yeah, and so on, there are a lot of questions, there is no politics here, there is just pure... you know, rationality, economics, compliance, all these endless procedures, when life becomes so complicated for us, everything should be simpler, but it keeps getting more complicated, eh, again, i have nothing against anti-money legislation, that is , we need to figure out where the money comes from and everything else, but when it turns into a tool for slowing down some, you understand that the largest offshore in the world, you know which one, america, well, like, it's on the tongue. yes, in this the whole song, that is, you see, the americans are doing everything to make transactions in the world very problematic, ask any businessman, you have transactions and the bank asks you a billion questions, tell me what color your grandmother's coupons were when she
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got married, no, you can't, but then we 'll freeze you, so you go think, answer, in this regard i want to and for our viewers, yes, who are not so much concerned about the issues of the global economy, as how this global economy affects, as you said at the beginning: their personal pocket, yes, that's normal, here about the dollar, taking into account the growing us national debt and the upcoming elections, how do you assess the probability that this dollar will collapse, well, not necessarily going into great detail, just as a message, yes populist, let's try populist, firstly, the thesis that the dollar will be worthless in another 5 minutes, i've heard it for 25 years
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. i don't know, there's a trillion yuan, this corporation, it's mongolian tugriks, that 's how much it costs, that is, we ourselves, somewhere here there are certain brakes in this matter too. when this moment will really come with america, the debt, well, okay, it can be 130% of gdp, as we know with japan it can be more than 200%, and there is nothing tragic here, it will arise when little by little the central banks of the world, they are doing this now, the trend is already underway, they begin to get rid of dollars or most of the dollars in their reserves, they are buying currency, there in twenty-second year they bought 400 tons of gold, right? this is a trend, it exists today, central banks are quietly, little by little
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switching more to gold, it is, we see, we are growing, growing beautifully, diversifying its investment, well, even the volume of dollar mass in central bank reserves has decreased over 8 years from 65 to 59%, this is very serious, and this is a trend, so look, while it is 59, well, 59, the americans are not sleeping either, they understand this, they will... if you are running away from a bear, the most important thing is not to run to the last one, as they say, to overtake your friend, yes, absolutely right, so, and if something trips you up at the right moment, well , to make it easier to run, well, you know, i like the feeling when you come to russia, what is there anyway, when the conversation about calculations is in rubles, yes, the psychology is slowly changing. russians, and moreover, you know, i will continue what you are saying, i
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work with wealthy people, i manage assets and so on, well, i work not only with retail either, so i see how many accounts in russia on the stock exchange have arisen, they came from abroad and the size of these accounts, if earlier the account there, i don’t know 100 million rubles, this is a huge account, you know, it’s great, well, that is 100 million today there how many million 200,000 dollars, today - a huge number of accounts hundreds of millions of rubles, even billions, people came who realized that they are more comfortable in russia with all the risks, with all the risks with the ruble and so on, all our vital volatility, well, what can you do, such is our life, on the other hand, they realized that they are more comfortable there, no one will arrest, interest rates are high, this is not very good, but this is a separate story, well, why not stay in ruble instruments, if there are no claims against you, so i will tell you more, the population
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because they also react in exactly the same way, if they see that stability has existed for many years, they invest in the national currency in any case, they keep it in it, yes, precisely because today you have a meager percentage on a dollar yes from a deposit, yes it will be even lower, yes now it is practically zero, yes, some say that soon we will pay for keeping money in dollars, yes, i mean, this has already happened, no, in many countries this is the norm, yes, i understand, purely for preservation. but to sum up, will dollars last for our lifetime? yes, really, you you know, medicine, it is moving forward at such a pace that who the hell knows, and the euro, when will the eurozone end, and many countries have never adopted it, that's one, secondly, some people didn't adopt the euro from the start, even from a purely pocket-friendly point of view, i myself spoke with many germans who said that, guys, well, we started living twice as badly at the moment of introduction.
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and a disjointed fiscal system, everyone's tax system is different, and this is the potential for a future explosion, because everyone formats their economy in their own way, hungary one way he sees it, sanctions against the hungarians start right away, because guys, you see it wrong politically, you know, as they tell them from brussels, and so on, i don’t know if the european union will quickly fall apart, but i, well, at least i see that there is potential for spending. on several zones, this is a possible option, and the europeans can
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play themselves out, playing their games, political, playing their, you know, games, these, not even with excessive tolerance, with excessive stupidity, which they themselves allow, then, that they have already given france, so to speak, to those who are very different from the true french, but that is a separate conversation, i will not, otherwise i will be accused of all mortal sins, well, yes, evgenia. once you called your speech crime and punishment, where crime is the printing press launched during the pandemic, punishment is...
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rational, i am for rationality, a rational model, you work, you make achievements, you get money, you develop your company, it is rational, yeah, if instead of healthy competition, which supports and encourages, by the way, the state, they give money from above and say, here you go, this, this, they give money to everyone, then this is already, excuse me, a freebie begins, then you sit down and say, guys, why should i work, why should i compete? and they will help me anyway, well, the example of greece, once on 200 billion, which they simply threw at them, well, in particular, yes, there goes the corruption of people, a crime - this is the printing of money, this huge machine, this is anything you want, and most importantly, this world, freebies, here you go, here you go, only this very thing, so say, and so on, look, the punishment
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here is not only inflation, the punishment is the awareness by all regions, countries of the world that the guys... i don't know how to answer this question: poor people, you understand, poor people, they can
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leave, i'm leaving, because it's difficult to answer your question, correction, he there a little differently developed this theory, okay, i understand. okay, for me personally, yes, and not only for me, since 2021 entry to the eu is closed, so old europe, yes, i easily traded, yes there for china, and not only, that's it true, for me china is an economy that is developing faster and will develop faster, that's why i perceive it that way, asian stock markets, and you know this very well, it's a separate lever, yes, and it's not for nothing that you like to go there, you know, i just, excuse me, in simple terms, i'm shocked by what they're doing, by the pace, by what they think, they believe that there are no unsolvable problems, that's the problem for them, yes, yes, then, how to solve it, yes, but what can brics, sco and similar things influence structures, today, oh, it's difficult, but
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let's say it this way, they, in essence, they are just this manifestation of what we said, the reformatting of the world, that is, this is an alternative. this is an alternative, it can be in the form of brics, shos, anything, these formations, remember moyukovsky, but if the party, sdayrak zamrilyak, let's say it this way, is not enough, this is the realization that those countries that are uncomfortable with the modern world structure, dollar-centric in particular, the saudis, they also receive oil, these petrodollars, they they say, guys, but does this somehow hinder us in our work? it slows down payments and not only, there are many things, and a certain dictate, they are such guys today, why do we need this, you know, everyone has their own views, someone is under economic dictate, someone is under administrative dictate, someone is under barriers, as the chinese say: oh, guys, what kind of trade barriers are these, yes, we compete, yes,
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our bevodi are better than your crap that you are building, this loud and smoky one, well, i myself drove this bevodi, i will say honestly, it is an awesome car. a question arises from all those who say: let's develop normally, and let's somehow solve our problems together, it's logical that they unite this way and that, you understand, brics - it was originally just an abbreviation that didn't mean anything. well, china, brazil, what's the connection? then suddenly the leaders of these countries, and not only the leaders, but the elites of these countries realized, guys, but our problems are often the same, let's think about how we'll solve them. here we talk about currency, look, before currency, remember, europe had it too, they tried for a long time, they took a long time to get going, the project failed,
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there will probably be a bunch of other failed projects, there will be, naturally, this is development, this is normal, everyone has their own interests, everyone solves their own problems, no doubt, moreover, our best friends from across the river will definitely put their 5 kopecks in the way, they will definitely come up with something, they will impose sanctions on someone, praise someone, you know how to divide.
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listen, i want to listen to the noise of the trees, i want to pick mushrooms, i want to be together, where i feel comfortable, where it is cool, where you can fish fish and where i can meet a bunch of friends, i'm not saying expensive, cheap, well... although belarus is not expensive at all, that's where the people are very friendly, and you just go crazy about it, i'm speaking absolutely sincerely now, you know, many people are delighted with the cleanliness, it's already become banal, but it's really so, i'm amazed how you love your country, seriously, how you treat its history, its cleanliness, that's the attitude of people, that's what amazes me, then for some reason yesterday everyone there pissed me off, i swore at everyone there, well, how the boss got mad, yeah. i come to where i live, they greet me with a smile, well , what's going on, i think, damn, guys, the people here are like that, you know, they're a little relaxed, but
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maybe it's incredibly necessary, it's just vital for me, that's how i ended up here, well, and naturally, i have, well, my business, it's media, i have applications, and application developers are actually here, i communicate with them here, that's why yes, let's ask about belarusian it specialists and the belarusian htp, i'll still ask, yes, let's touch on that a little bit. they live without any oil, great, and you know that this is already a scientific hub, and a medical one, by the way, a sports hub, and so on and
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so forth, what prevents belarus from becoming a hub too, nothing, you know, a crypto hub, yes, i believe in it, why did you create the legislation, well, it's still a bit raw, but you know, i'm flying on a plane, my friends run up to me , there are brokers, bankers, i say, what are you doing, well, here we are creating a brokerage crypto broker... a crypto broker, here we have a crypto exchange, i say: oops, and what, i say, is belarus already the capital of the world? he says, well, yes, yes, here we are like...

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