raman, good evening! good summer, plane protosevich, well, the story is cyclical, and not long ago the entire internet was again alarmed by your photos by the window, how was the flight? you know, it's normal, i expected that maybe there would be some fear, of the flight, something else, surprisingly it went absolutely calmly for me, that is, i didn't have any stress, there was no panic, anxiety, surprisingly everything somehow went very calmly, i would even say... well, well, let's be honest,

there was some kind of reaction around, they recognized, honestly i didn't pay attention, maybe i should have paid attention out of interest, but i somehow tried not to turn my head around too much, to watch how people react and so on, although yes, the boarding of the plane was full, not a single free seat, yeah, well, there will be even more cognitive breakdowns for the world community, for sure, and i think that in the near future there will be a lot more news from me. so to speak, author's content and author's ideas, well, let's get started, then, yes, here are your former comrades, they are carefully monitoring yours travel, and there is no doubt about it, well, recently the most hyped welder, yes, he had a rest in dubai, it turns out that the salary is enough for flights to the emirates, well, and just the salary of a welder naturally would not be enough, no matter how well you work, after all, dubai is ...

one of the most expensive places in the world, but it is important to say that, firstly, i had certain savings, because in parallel with the work of a welder, i try not to abandon the business that i was doing, that is, most of my adult life, this is journalism, i still write, sometimes i shoot something, even if i do it remotely on a freelance basis for various publications and so on, but i'm still worth something in a professional sense and... it turns out that i earn a little on this, among other things, so this money that was spent on this week-long vacation in dubai, it was more the result of savings than of one single salary, that is, it turns out that this question, why a welder, and not a media person, it is irrelevant, you do both in parallel, of course, you want to think about the future, it's elementary now, even in the apartment i started to do repairs, this is also money, this is also means, you

somehow shared information, how much your colleagues, welders, earn. yes, indeed, in our workshop, for example, our enterprise is called the minsk electrotechnical plant, we work for the energy industry of the country, welders with experience, who have been working for quite a long time and work a lot, overtime, and significantly exceed the plan, yes, they can receive 9 and 10 thousand rubles. moreover, and for some reason it turns out to be a shock for many. that now at various enterprises of factories in belarus they really pay good money and even coming from scratch you can earn from 2.0 rubles and above, that even by minsk standards in principle it is not bad money, now there are a lot of jobs, i will even open a small secret, even like my sister and mother, they are now working at one of the state enterprises, well, my sister is an engineer by education, it is clear here. so my mother got a job, and also

earns very good money in general with zero, in fact, for many, it will probably also be a surprise, but now in many ways, and the teams are young people who really change spheres, they go to production, because now, perhaps, there are some of the best salaries in the country, and this is honest work, because no one delays salaries, good money, some stability, social packages, everything.

by an imaginary minister of an imaginary coordinating council, well, i would say that this probably depends to some extent on their degree of fanaticism, obsession with some specific ideas, but it seems to me that the absolute majority has already gotten it, the question is that they try not to talk about it and somehow quietly discuss it among themselves in the kitchens, i have this feeling that they are pouring out of this coordinating council, there almost...

serbia, not to mention foggy albion. it turns out that it was possible. why is the west, which hung your photos in every airport, so reluctant to notice that you are free. or were you still valuable only as political communications. well, you were valuable

only my name at that moment. and moreover, we have already discussed this many times in various media, and various representatives of the opposition state about the fact that... at that moment i was basically used simply as a sacred victim for some new sanctions, for some new restrictions, and when did you come to this understanding? quite quickly, i don’t think there was any big secret about this, and about the fact that this was prepared in advance, that this was planned in advance, i basically spoke about this practically from the very started after my, let's say, return here to belarus, and well, this is hardly news, well, to be honest. have these very independent, great independent western media ever approached you with the question: how did it all really happen? you know, with an offer to give an interview about this ? and of course, there were requests for interviews, but earlier, and after this

sometimes turned into, i would say, some kind of circus, because western tabloids were more interested in some secrets of my personal life, there who my the chosen ones and all that. rather my life, my criminal cases, fines and all that, and that was of much more interest than any kind of politics, it only shows that at one time they made me into such a figure, then at most they would just write something about me or some nasty things, or make another throw-in, that is, his release from prison basically marked a rubicon, after that. they became uninteresting, yes, of course, that is, yes, if we talk specifically about some, i would say ex-belarusian opposition media, then yes, of course, they still write there, and any step i take is discussed quite widely, but if we talk about some of the largest western

publications, then my name is definitely there, i probably haven’t been in the news for a long time, yes, i meant the big fish like cnn or the new york times. someone else, because everything that is a little further west, well, really, this, especially writing about belarus, does not inspire confidence in me personally, okay, roman, today it is fashionable to talk about cases, so, the ex-chief of a streaming telegram channel, who was released, got married, works, flies on vacation, was reinstated at the journalism department of bsu, well, in the process of reinstatement, but we can say, already almost in general this is a good case for...

the state and the president personally, having mercy, give these people freedom of choice. you made a mistake, asked for forgiveness, we forgave. how. will you build your life now, what choices will you make? do you understand how difficult it is for many to make such a choice, to step over yourself, to admit that you are wrong? you know, it depends on the person, well you understood perfectly well that the hate would be colossal, well, of course, but all these comments on the internet are nothing more than informational noise, from which if you disconnect, it turns out that ordinary normal life is actually continuing, and nothing terrible has happened, somewhere

they will make some noise, write, that's it, it will pass, they will forget about it, but you have to live on somehow, in general, all this informational noise, it very often really just interferes with life, well, it is better not to immerse yourself in it, that's true, but here for those who are still thinking about this, do you have any advice, because the commission is working, it is still working, of course there are also advices. there is also a suggestion, moreover, i will say that after the beginning of this return of mine to the copper circle, which has been happening recently, i began to restore quite a lot of contacts with people who are in vilnius in warsaw, about some stories from there, by the way, exclusive, especially for your program i have prepared another interesting new story, which i found out literally the day before yesterday, even the local prosecutor's office got excited. but that's a separate story, and that means that many people are really writing, and many have long since

realized that - not so much the mistakes they made, but the awareness that there is no future there, both with the entire opposition and with the so-called democratic forces, well, you yourself are sure of this, or they also think so or are starting to think so, they understand this, but it is still possible, in some cases, or they haven't... formulated it for themselves before the end, you know, like at a psychologist's appointment, the psychologist will never give direct answers to a question, he will gradually push the person to give an answer to the question that worries him, here - something similar happens, it's more reminiscent of, you know, some kind of mass group psychotherapy session, when people really gradually begin to themselves, seeing everything, yes, it took a lot of time, yes, it can be... not easy, sometimes it's simply difficult to admit your mistakes or some omissions, but everything comes to this and

comes en masse, many people already understand perfectly well what is happening, that maybe it would be nice to return home, but how? and the only obstacle that stands in the way is this fear, some kind of responsibility, the fear that suddenly i didn’t do anything there, suddenly i... i’ll come and they’ll lock me up, but again, you really, i’ve just started to delve much deeper into the topics of the commissions’ work, and especially on returning, and i can say that this too, probably, in some way degrees, the state's omission that they don't say how many applications actually come there, well, why talk about it, well, i'll just say it this way, that it's much more than someone else. well, i know this because i work for the commission myself, firstly, and secondly, let's be honest, people

should read the documents, that is, the decree itself, which clearly states that in fact the commission provides the full information about what kind of person is behind it, yeah, that's it, but the person himself knows perfectly well, firstly, what he had, and secondly, he can get completely official information, and the state is responsible for this information, and the attorney general personally. is responsible for this, naturally, naturally, all this will be absolutely honestly legal, i have also been thinking about this topic for a long time lately, perhaps i think that there are options on how to further improve the work of these commissions so that maybe people would have, and i would say less of some fears more determination to return here, perhaps slightly reworking the legislation at least in the area of ​​what if a person really didn't commit any violent crimes,

let's say he really went out somewhere once, stood with a flag, yes, it's clear that this is participation in unauthorized mass events, this may be criminal liability, but as i think, it's possible, and does it make sense to think through some kind of mechanism when a person will - even remotely write a sincere confession in exchange for in exchange for the fact that upon returning to the country, yes, he will be forced...

we would like not to return everything back, but to return home, start from scratch, if i can help these people, then i will certainly do it, well, let's remember another recent i'll live, yes, summer, plane, durov, you don't find any analogies, why what is allowed to the french now was not allowed to the belarusians in the twenty-first year, and where are the sanctions of the kr franc, for example, well, let's be honest. let's talk not like roman, who came to markov for an interview, but as a person who is sensible, and at the same time a writer, here's how you would formulate the answer to this question from this position? firstly, there are parallels, and the parallels are quite obvious, secondly, i almost immediately openly stated that this is a very strange

situation, and this is essentially a direct attack on freedom of speech and... the secrecy of personal correspondence, which are unconditional attributes of human rights, and such an act, to be honest, generally does not fit into my head, because - firstly, especially ignorant people, probably did not particularly realize that it turns out that in europe this is actually possible and this is quite widespread, despite some image of a flourishing...

that the state is not capable of controlling, because the way it is structured, the media practically everywhere, one way or another, is controlled either by one oligarch or another, or by one political force or another, well, we talk about this all the time, what cannot be controlled, accordingly, for example, telegram, and if they cannot control, well, apparently an idea came up, let's detain the creator and see what comes of it, suddenly, here, here, here, here's something. well, apparently it worked out on the official channel of durovo there was information that telegram will now cooperate with law enforcement agencies, give out phone numbers to which accounts are linked to ip addresses, and for some reason this came as such a shock to many, listen, well , people who are really in the know, know that telegram used to give out even more

complete data, practically for any requests, when they politely asked for it, well, when... this year, you yourself worked in this area, but as we have already decided, telegram will not be the same, well, it is stupid to cooperate, i think that the anonymity of telegram is still... a myth from the past, we will not discuss this topic, time will tell, indeed, yes, if you were looking for platforms to overthrow the government today, well, for example, in the twenty

-fifth year in the elections, which information tool would you choose now, i would clearly not stop the choice on one specific one, definitely, and but it is all the same, it would probably be two main platforms, it is all there would also be telegram and it would be tiktok, and why exactly? after all, telegram is messenger and the number one social network in belarus, everyone knows this, no matter what, everyone uses telegram, the second is tiktok, at least because it is very simple, well, and youtube, of course, well, youtube is the new tv, roughly speaking, and tiktok because it is very easy to develop content there, and it is very easy to increase reach there, i will say this, i even incognito created an empty account from scratch,

dedicated to one non-belarusian tv show, there i just made cuts and dug up some inside information on forums, in a word, nothing complicated, 10 minutes of work a day, you did it yourself, yes, 50,000 subscribers in a week and a half, and although the work is literally 5 minutes, that is... i just for the sake of interest, so i bred this account, i abandoned it or even deleted it, i don’t remember, but the point is that yes, now it is often much easier to promote some new content than it seems, because, especially if it is like now a huge number of means for popularization, now there are more of them than ever before, how do you react in general to those messages from your former comrades, that, let's say, your work is now in the information space, it is not as popular. as before, firstly, uh, let's say this way, i will say that i never went for any popularity or fame, yes, recognition was important to me, but recognition and

popularity are two slightly different things, that is, it is enough for you that you are known, no, for me it was always enough just recognition, which and i, as it seems to me, for a long time i didn't receive it, then i came to this and calmed down, and fame actually has many more minuses than pluses. and i will say this, that now and moreover, in the information space, i have not yet started working, and i think that soon everyone will understand what i am talking about, i have been approaching this for quite a long time, and i finally have almost everything ready, and it will be something new, and it will be at the intersection of politics and social things, but... still it will be closer to something social than to the political. well, finishing this topic, why do you need journalism, what do you personally want

to learn there? you know, i'll be honest, i just want to have a specialized diploma, why? because , you never know, the law will change, and in order to work legally in the information space, you will need a corresponding diploma, so i'm going. to finish my studies, although i lost another year there in terms of recovery, there is a very big difference, academic, it turns out, in order for me to have a specialized education, in order to be crust, that is, i do not hide it, well , let's see, maybe i really can learn something new for myself, because i believe that we need to constantly develop , constantly improve our skills, well , it's true, this needs to be done constantly. here are the pardoned and released, unexpectedly, but

it was you who named the last group of people that our president released, and why exactly you? and this also relates to what i think, soon i will be able to talk publicly about, but for now it remains, it is a little secret, now the last ones are still going on preparations. before i can slightly lift the curtain of secrecy, i still have quite a lot of filming, and this is already such a small hint, so everything is ahead, and well, the very fact that i probably even published these names, it was, well, i don’t know, consider it, probably, my small trolling - all the opposition media and the so-called human rights organizations, where all the information that is there at all appears, but this is generally a long- standing trend, this is simply a reprint of state resources, because there are no their informants sources have long been gone,

and in...

it does not prohibit then, even if something happens, to leave calmly, because there are no restrictions on the citizen, well, if he has no problems, of course not, good, but for some reason yes, it is in the last month that i see a colossal number of people, even from our media sphere, who really wanted to turn the page of the twentieth, such a real national unity, for me personally, i will not hide it, it is quite

difficult to pretend that nothing... here we need to learn the ability to forgive from the president, which even frees those who were imprisoned for insulting, directly the head of state. roman, why do you think there is such a surge of people ready to admit their mistakes right now? not a year or two ago, right now, on the eve of the 25th company. you know, maybe a lot.

this 1%, they already have no real political influence, absolutely, they have been unable to do anything for several, several, a couple of years, that's right, their words have lost any meaning, their words have lost any real power or at least some agreements with

the west, because... well, okay, then why are the fugitives and your former comrades so afraid of the release of their own, supposedly political prisoners, as they call them, their release from prison, from the colony, why are they so excited about this, well, firstly, because, be that as it may, these are all political prisoners, these human rights organizations, some ministries that are created there on these issues. this has always been, as it were, the prerogative exclusively of these organizations, and here the state takes and it releases people without their participation, without their participation in any negotiations and so on, that is, it essentially deprives them of some topics,

instruments of pressure and basic financing, this is the first point, the second point is that... many forces are very afraid of the beginning of a normal dialogue between belarus and the west, but many do not understand that this dialogue, firstly, has never ended, and secondly, belarus is making new steps towards each other even publicly, which even the president has repeatedly said stated, even literally a week ago, i think, regarding poland, that we are ready to be friends, we are... ready, we want to relieve this tension that is between the countries, the ball is in your court, well, we have been talking about this constantly, the president has said this several times , well, i mean, this last case was literally, probably, maybe even less than a week ago, and they are very afraid that the west

will again build good, full-fledged, friendly working relations with belarus, but the point is that this... and this is happening and negotiations and contacts between belarus and european countries, they have not gone anywhere, moreover, i will even slightly open the curtain of secrecy, i myself participated in such meetings several times, i will not say where, with whom, when, but it happened, and these are real meetings, these are real negotiations and so on, so if they are afraid of this, then they probably just do not know how everything is. it really is exactly the same as they do not know how things are, in fact, ordinary people here and now are about the fact that everything is fine in the country and life goes on. well, that's it

those we are talking about, the fugitive opposition, yes, they have no meaning, no personas, not even normal pr, belarusians are definitely not interested in them, for western politicians... they become a burden, well, they drag one or two figures there, yes, the new york times is already publishing negative articles on this matter, essentially burying the tunyadtsevs, but in your opinion, your ex-colleagues can still explode, those with whom you worked then, they can have some kind of unifying idea, really because of which they can be popular, become unexpected.

to hand over some and generate new ideas and offer them and be close to people, well, it's unrealistic, yes, absolutely, and moreover, now i think that in another year or two, and about the current, so-called opposition leaders, we will remember in fact approximately the same way as, well, i don't know, about some, god forgive me, there milinkevich or sannikov, well, that's already.

time cleared with some exclusives, more to come, but what i want to tell you now is - again came from people i know. and this concerns both warsaw and vilnius, but let's start with warsaw, because now, i would say, the main locomotive there is probably pavel pavlovich latushka, widely known, who is aiming for tikhonovskaya's chair, but he can't get there, he really wants to go there, of course, but somehow everything is not going well, i already told you about how he... ended up in the usa because he wanted to take

his mistress and daughter with him to a serious conference, but the adventure does not end there, the fact is that in his organization, which is called nau, and recently it turned out that two former, as far as i know, activists, this is a girl by the last name zhivoglot, who used to work in the press headquarters fund. and they threw her out of there, klatushka went, well klatushka also happened that kolobok left, but it turned out that she is also there , this mr. kotov, stole 150,000 dollars from the organization's budget, and it was done, that is, and the noise reached such a degree that now an investigation into the theft of this money, and this is well... still a lot of money even by european standards, this investigation is already being carried out

one of the prosecutor's offices in warsaw, i don't remember the name of the district, but the warsaw district prosecutor's office is already working on this issue, they tried their best to give him this internal scandal, not to give him any kind of a sideways glance, well, it doesn't work out, not bad, and moreover, a plan was developed in connection with which, if this were to surface somewhere, then a... the polish curators, let's call them that, gave the order to discredit these two people as much as possible, comrades, that is, now we will see how these two people are on the bloodsucker kotova, there will be enormous pressure and there will be complete discrediting, and in general i am almost sure that there will be more phrases like, yes, he was fired the day before yesterday, you know how often. it happens in such situations, but the problems do not end there,

because all the same nau recently held an independent audit, there, of course, a whole bunch of complaints, starting with the fact that they were simply asked, by the way, about the security of data and documentation, they were simply asked to install a simple cabinet that will lock the door with a key, because the papers were stored in unguarded offices, essentially internal documentation, there are no video surveillance systems, nothing like that and... for some reason , many functionaries inside this organization did not oppose the installation of surveillance cameras, as a result , they managed to come to an agreement among themselves, they just took it, bought the cheapest one and installed it, just to close the box, although again , the safety of personal data, the safety of some internal documentation, which can be very sensitive, and protection and there was no safety at all.

30%, and this affects not only well, by 30 in some cases more than directly nao, but also other organizations, some opposition media, why is everything so simple, because it is politics, only politics is not this international, where is belarus bad, internal, the fact is that for 8 years in power in poland was... the party of law and justice pis, famous, now

essentially the position has come to power, suddenly it turns out that it turns out, in poland too they are closing down opposition organizations with all their might, well , this is not the first scandal, of course, and moreover, it turns out that now with the arrival of the new government, the same minister of foreign affairs, quite well-known... mr. sekorsky, it turns out that he is not interested in the belarusian topic at all, he is only interested in ukraine, and many political representatives of this... belarusian, as they call themselves, political elite, opposition, tried to build bridges with them, bridges with him, as a result, refusals literally on all fronts, financing of belsat, by the way, about kolenovites, just a couple of weeks ago they tried to push this

topic in a conversation with him, he refused to talk at all, and he refused to talk about the registration of the so-called transitional cabinet in poland and in general. giving them at least some official status, refusals everywhere, everything is leading to the fact that in general now poland is simply officially, because in essence, for the current authorities, the new ones , the opposition was doing this, if the opposition was doing this, this must be closed, now there will be very big problems, because most likely, any contacts with the official authorities of poland will, not only be reduced, but will be significantly reduced.

so it turns out that in poland the authorities do not like what the opposition does, they can easily close anything, simply because they are not happy with it, it does not correspond to some of their policies and that's it, they do not like it when they are robbed, this is true, of course, and i think that these scandals will continue, the reduction in funding will continue, which means we will see more more competition and even more. you know what i like, you still have this, excuse me, yes, i am not humiliating you in any way, such a little childish naivety you are surprised that these people, yes, who sold out their homeland, well, by and large, that they will live an honest life,

having fled abroad, well, is it true, well, i don’t think so, let’s do it this way, but you know, such a small remark, because the last scandal... about which even the same blogger virus wrote in his telegram, there was a whole marathon there announced a year ago to raise funds, somewhere around half a million, about 600,000 euros, disappeared so suddenly, during the audit that was conducted just now and which, yes, they, it turned out that there are a lot of hundreds of thousands missing, where did they go, god only knows, and believe me, it seems to me that we don’t know yet,

and the dictatorship, and you know that our dictatorship is a dictatorship of justice and goodness, as was well said at the forum on the seventeenth, will you go to the elections in the twenty-fifth year and how will you choose, for who to vote for? as a citizen, i will certainly participate in the election campaign and we will see what and how will happen, and i think that - i hope that this will happen at all. honestly, the most boring elections - in the history of the country, boring in the sense that there will be no upheavals, because well, i wouldn't want to, well, really, enough already, ah-ah, who will i vote for, firstly, i think it's obvious, secondly,

time will tell, thank you for this conversation, raman, and i sincerely wish you good luck, because if you... really want self-actualization help other people realize themselves, well then it is a good thing, and it is worth working for, thank you, thank you, people, what can you do to be greedy, always aim for the highest, achieve even more.

about five years ago the word propaganda in our sphere for some reason was considered almost an insult, that is, if propaganda of a healthy lifestyle or propaganda of traditional values ​​is supposedly good, and if propaganda from tv, then it is supposedly bad. i prefer to propagate the truth, so now i i will say. what is called objective journalism in the people does not exist in its pure form and never has existed, the word

regime, by the way, regardless of what kind of regime it is, authoritarian or dictatorial, is also a completely normal word, the president's honesty is difficult for those who in their minds in politics rely precisely on the western model, there it is customary to constantly leave something out of the audience if it seems unpleasant to the audience, and to tell people only pleasant things, because in people... the west does not see people, but the electorate, and it is needed to legitimize the government for a new term. propaganda of common sense and truth, this is the kind of propaganda that people need first and foremost. author's project by igor turai propaganda. watch on the belarus 24 tv channel

. hello, this is the everything is clear project with marina karaman. let's talk about complex things in simple terms. today we'll talk about whether it's worth buying products at agricultural fairs, which of their participants don't pay taxes, and whether apples grow on lawns. let's go! the agricultural fair season has begun in belarus. a couple of autumn months after the harvest, when ordinary villagers and professional farmers

take what they grew in the summer to sell in the city. i love this period terribly, because while i am actively in my profession , there is simply no time or energy for the garden, i want fresh, healthy food. and so, believe me, thinks every city dweller in the country who does not have a village house, a summer house or the energy to plant, water, harvest. therefore, right up until the beginning of winter, in every regional and district center, somewhere once a week, and somewhere once every two, the streets change into the colors of oriental bazaars, and locals can stroll around to their heart's content, haggle and take home baskets of fragrant peppers, golden corn, the last prickly cucumbers, fleshy tomatoes, honey in the comb, lard with a soft skin and ringing wooden handmade spoons , all for very little money. i usually spend about 100 rubles for 10-15 kg at the fair.