there are people there, so that people go, somewhere tourists, people will go, what do you want to see here, when we brought two-humped camels, local old ladies came, and one of them says, look, i lived my life, but i never saw a live camel, thanks to novik i at least saw a live camel, so you see, not everyone is given the opportunity to go to egypt or somewhere in other countries where there are camels, and so... here people need a lot of schoolchildren, they read it, ask questions, well, they are interested in this, i think that this is okay, it should be, we 'll do all this near our agro-estate, because here you see there's such a swampy area, there's a mountain of little pestles near the agro-estate, so we're planning to move all this stuff there, make bigger enclosures and have people come all day long, admire, come. eat, go for a walk again, i'm

probably continuing this business of mine, i could, well, probably live there much easier, simpler, that is, if i didn't see a future in it, i probably would have been there a long time ago i would have left it all there, that is, i have hope for more, probably for my grandchildren, and i understand that no one will provide us with our future, except for ourselves, our children, grandchildren, as they say, a man's mission is three things: give birth to a son, plant a tree, build a house, then probably in this regard my mission has already been fulfilled, even exceeded, we have two sons, having built in the house, plus an aura estate, and i have not planted a single tree, i have 28 different trees at home and here are 7 hectares of apple orchard, well, since you already... this mission

exceeded, so you have to, well, somehow bring it to a logical conclusion and pass it on to someone, yes, of course, happy.

roman, good evening, good, summer, pratosevich's plane, well, history is cyclical, and not long ago the entire internet was again alarmed by your photos by the window, like a flight, you know, it's normal, i expected that maybe there would be some fear, the flight, something else, surprisingly it went absolutely calmly for me, that is, i didn't have any stress, there was no panic, anxiety. surprisingly everything somehow went very calmly, i i would even say well, well let's be honest, there was some kind of reaction around, they recognized me, honestly i didn't pay attention, maybe i should have paid attention out of interest, but i somehow tried not to turn my head around too much, to look at how people react and so on, although yes, the boarding of the plane was full, not a single free seat, yeah, well, there will be even more cognitive breakdowns for the world community, for sure, and i think that... in the near future

there will be a lot more news from me, so to speak, original content and original ideas. well, so, let's get started, then, yes, here are your former comrades, they carefully monitor your movements, and there is no doubt about it, well, recently the most hyped welder, yes, rested in dubai, it turns out that the salary is enough for flights, to the emirates, well, but just a welder's salary, naturally, would not be enough , no matter how well you work, after all, dubai is one of the most expensive places in the world, but it is important to say that, firstly, i had certain savings, because in parallel with the work of a welder i try not to to abandon the business that i have been doing for most of my adult life, this is journalism, i still write, sometimes i shoot something, even if i do it remotely on a freelance basis for various publications and so on, but i am still worth something in a professional

sense, it turns out that i can earn a little on this, among other things, so this money that was spent on this week-long vacation in dubai, it was... rather the result of savings than one single salary, that is, this is the question, why a welder, and not a media person, he is not is relevant, you are simultaneously doing both, of course, you want to think about the future somehow, just now i even started doing repairs in my apartment, this is also money, this is also funds, you somehow shared information on how much your fellow welders earn, yes indeed, in our workshop, for example, this is our enterprise called minsk. electrical engineering plant, we work for the energy industry of the country, welders with experience, who have been working for quite a long time and work a lot, overtime, and significantly exceed the plan, yes, they can receive 9 and 10 thousand rubles.

moreover, and for some reason it turns out to be a shock for many that now at various enterprises of factories in belarus they really pay good money, and even coming from scratch, and... you can earn from 2,000 rubles and up, which even by minsk standards, in principle , is not bad money, now there are a lot of jobs, this is even - so i'll reveal a little secret, even, like, my sister and mother, they are now working at one of the state enterprises, well, my sister is an engineer education, it's clear here, here's my mother got a job and also earns very good money from scratch, in fact, for many, it will probably also be a surprise, but now in many ways, and the teams are young people who really change spheres, they go to production, because now there are probably some of the best salaries in the country, and this is honest work, because no one delays salaries, good

money, some stability, social packages and everything else, now this is really used demand, and what's most interesting is that the demand for labor is also growing, it's just that, why... very little is said about this, i dare to remind you that these are precisely the enterprises that you really wanted to ruin, together with your colleagues at that time, but thank god they survived, it was a long time ago and it's not true, let's say, well, okay, the president recently presented state awards, hopefully it will reach all the fugitives that it's better to be an electrician in your own country than a fictitious minister of a fictitious coordinating council, well, i would say that this is probably... in some degree depends on their degree of fanaticism of obsession with some specific ideas, but it seems to me that the absolute majority has already gotten it, the question is that they try not to talk about it and somehow quietly discuss it among themselves in the kitchens,

i have this feeling that they are pouring out of this coordinating council, there is information coming in almost every week that one has fallen away, then a second, then a third, the scandals do not subside, right?

the west, which hung your photos in every airport, does not want to notice, that you are free, or were you valuable only as a political link, well, only my name was valuable at that moment, and moreover, we have already discussed this many times in various media and various representatives of the opposition state about the fact that at that moment i was basically used simply as a sacred victim for some new sanctions for...

with the question, how everything really was, you know, with the offer to give an interview about this ? of course, there were requests for interviews, but earlier, and then it turned into... sometimes i would say in some kind of circus, because the western tabloids were more interested in - some secrets of my personal life, and who my chosen ones are and all that, than my life, my criminal cases, fines and all that, and this was of much more interest than any kind of politics, this only shows that at one time they made such a figure out of me, then well, the maximum is... just write something about me or some nasty things, or make another throw-in, release from prison is basically

marked such a rubicon, after that you became uninteresting, yes, of course, that is, yes, if we talk specifically about some, i would say ex-belarusian media, opposition, then yes , of course, they still write there, and any step i take, it is discussed quite widely, but if we talk about some... okay, roman, today it is fashionable to talk about cases, so here is the ex-glavremsky telegram channel, who was released, got married.

some new pardons are coming out and people are given a chance, another question is how they will use it, but this is the essence in that the state and the president personally , having mercy, give these people freedom of choice, you made a mistake, asked for forgiveness, we forgave, how will you build your life now, what choices will you make, and do you understand? how hard is it for many to make such a choice, to step over yourself, to admit that you are wrong? you know, it depends on the person, well,

you understood perfectly well that the hate would be colossal, well, and also yes, of course, but ae hate all these comments on the network - this is nothing more than information noise, from which if you switch off, it turns out that ordinary normal life actually continues, and nothing terrible has happened, somewhere they will make some noise, write and... all this will pass, they will forget about it, but you have to live on somehow, in general, all this information noise, it very often really just interferes with life, well, it is better not to immerse yourself in it, that's true, but for those who are still thinking about this, do you have any advice, after all, the commission is working, it is still working, of course, there are advice, there are suggestions, and moreover, i will say that after the beginning of this... this return of mine to the copper circle, which has been happening recently, i began

to restore quite a lot of contacts with people who are in vilnius in warsaw, about some stories from there, by the way, exclusive, i have prepared a new interesting story especially for your program, which i learned literally the day before yesterday, and even the local prosecutor's office got excited, but this is a separate story, which means that many people really write and to many of them for a long time the realization came: that it wasn't so much the mistakes that had been made, but the awareness that there and with the entire opposition, with the so -called democratic forces, there was no future there, well, you yourself are sure of this, or they also think so or are starting to think so, they understand this, but it is also possible that in some cases they either haven't formulated it for themselves completely, you know, like at a psychologist's appointment, a psychologist will never give direct answers to... a question, he will gradually push the person to give an answer to

the question that worries him, that's where it happens something similar and it is more reminiscent of, you know, some kind of mass group psychotherapy session, when people really gradually begin themselves, seeing everything, yes, it took a lot of time, yes, it may not be easy, yes, sometimes it is simply difficult to admit your mistakes or some omissions, but everything... comes and comes en masse, many already understand perfectly well what is happening about the fact that maybe it would be nice to return home, but how?

knows, firstly, what he had, and secondly, he can get completely official information, and the state is responsible for this information, and the attorney general is personally responsible for this, naturally, naturally, all this will be absolutely honestly legal, i have also been thinking about this topic for a long time lately, perhaps i think that there are options on how to further improve the work

of these commissions so that maybe people have, i would when a person will even remotely write a sincere confession in exchange for in exchange for the fact that upon returning to the country, yes, he will be forced to answer the investigators' questions, but will receive, say, a suspended sentence or some other form of punishment not connected with actual imprisonment, okay, and

today you publicly, you can, for example, declare that you yourself are ready to act as the same mediator? between the state and the fugitives, who, at least, trust you and can rely on your word and simply write the same statement, well, this is just a purely spontaneous interest of mine personally, are you ready to work in this regard? i am ready and i can say secretly, i'm already taking the first steps in this direction, that is, if you send a text message to, say, someone, i won't name them, yes... whom i've personally known for a long time, then they can trust that it came from you, well, you know, i think that you shouldn't send text messages yourself, but wait until people contact you and work with information, but personally, sending out some text messages, sending something else to different accounts, there's probably not

much point in this, but if a person wants to, wants to in the future, then why not, and do you understand? that even this interview, it can save several lost souls, really save them, of course, of course, and moreover, this is probably the work that i would like to do in the future, because i have made quite a few mistakes in life, i have admitted them, i have gone through this entire process, and i understand that probably many people, at a minimum , would like not to return everything back, but to return home and start with a clean slate, if i can...

and such an act, to be honest, in general it's hard to wrap my head around, because firstly, especially ignorant people probably didn't... particularly realize that it turns out that in europe this is actually possible and quite widespread, despite some image of a blooming garden and democracy that has been created over the years, and secondly,

the very fact that in the modern world they are detaining the creator of a messenger in which, say, a billion users hope that he has some kind of magic keys, well, forgive me, it's funny, it's either... complete professional incompetence, or, nevertheless, which is very more likely, it is a direct political act, it is a direct act of pressure on something that the state is not able to control, because the way it is set up, the media is practically everywhere, one way or another , controlled either by these or those oligarchs, or by these or those political forces, well, we talk about this all the time, that it is impossible to control accordingly. let's say telegram, and if they can't control it, well, apparently an idea came up, let's detain the creator and see what comes of it, suddenly, here, here, here, here something,

well, apparently, it worked out, information appeared on durov's official channel that telegram will now cooperate with law enforcement agencies, give out phone numbers to which ip addresses are linked to accounts, and for some reason this came as such a shock to many, listen, well, people who really... in the subject know that telegram used to give out even more complete data, practically for any requests, when, as they say, it was politely asked for, well, when it was politely asked, you know, here's a parallel in fact, quite interesting, that is, it was enough for durov to visit places not so remote french special services, and after that he very, as you say, willingly went to cooperate in providing fairly previously closed information. but let's go back, let's go to us, yes, hai durab will be good, telegram became the main tool for the attempt of a coup d'etat in belarus, yes in

the twentieth year, you yourself worked in this area, but as we have decided, telegram will no longer be the same, well, durov to cooperate, i think that the anonymity of telegram is still a myth from the past, we will not discuss this topic, time will tell, indeed, yes, if you were looking today...

incognito created from scratch an empty account - dedicated to one non-belarusian tv show, there i simply made clips and dug up some inside information on forums, in a word, nothing complicated, 10 minutes of work a day, you did it yourself, yes 50,000 subscribers in a week and a half, yeah, and although the work is literally 5 minutes, that is, i just for the sake of interest, so i bred this account, i abandoned it or even deleted it , i don’t remember, but the point is that yes... now it is often much easier to promote some new content than it seems, because, especially if it is like now a huge number of means for popularization, now

there are more of them than ever, how do you react in general to those messages from your former comrades, that, let’s say, your work now in the information space, it is not as popular as before, firstly, let’s say this way, i will say that i never went for some kind of popularity or...

i have almost everything ready, and it will be something new, and it will be at the intersection of politics and social things, but still it will be closer to something social than political, well, finishing this topic, why do you need journalism, what do you personally want to learn there, you know, i'll be honest, i just want to have a diploma, a specialized one, so i'm going to finish my studies, although i lost another year there in terms of recovery, there is a very big academic difference, it turns out, in order for me to have a specialized education, in order to, so that there was a crust, that is, i do not hide it, well, let's see, maybe i really can and learn something new for myself, because i believe that it is necessary to constantly develop , constantly improve your skills, well,

it is true, this must be done by... confrontation is rarely beneficial, but it turned out that the action of the warsaw elite played into the hands of the belarusian farmer, the apples look beautiful, the best in the region, they produce co...

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yeah. here are the pardoned and released, unexpectedly, but it was you who named the last group of people that our president released, and why exactly you, this also relates to what i'm thinking about, i'll be able to

talk about it publicly soon, but for now it remains. it's a little secret, now the final preparations are still underway, before i can slightly lift the curtain of secrecy, i still have quite a lot of filming, this is already such a small hint, so everything is ahead, and well, the very fact that i probably even published these names, it was, well, i don’t know, consider, probably, my small trolling of all the opposition media and the so-called... human rights organizations, where all the information that is there appears, but this is generally a long-standing trend, this is simply a reprint of state resources, because there have been no informants or sources there for a long time, and you know, it was even funny to watch, when i published these names, almost all opposition media were in such a hurry that even if they were belarusian-language, they simply copied and pasted them, and then...

belarusian names and passed them off as their exclusive information, it took another five minutes, they translated them into funny, it's funny to watch, to be honest, so i won't say from... where from, well , i'll say that to some extent it was probably such a light trolling on my part about how you have a whole editorial board sitting there, you can't find out anything, i'm just taking this and i publish, well, considering that you are not at the interrogation of the novel, it is true, yes, at the interview, i will not dig deeper, but still you remembered about your mother, she is like many fugitives, yes, thanks to the pardon commission, i remember her last name, yes already in her native country.

it is clear that everyone's life can develop differently, someone has problems in their personal life, someone with health, something else can theoretically be, but it is about the desire to return home about their return home, no one regretted, and moreover, again, if a person returns to the country, no one forbids him later, even if something happens, to leave calmly, because there are no restrictions on the citizen, well, if he has no problems, of course not, good, but for some reason yes, in the last month, i see a huge number of people, even from our media sphere, who really wanted to turn the page of the twentieth, such a real national unity, for me personally, i... i will not hide, it is quite difficult to pretend that nothing happened, here you need to learn the ability to forgive from president, who release even those who were imprisoned for insulting the head of state directly. roman, why do you think

it is now that there is such a surge of people ready to admit their mistakes, not a year or two ago, but now, on the eve of the 25th campaign. you know, maybe there are a lot of conspiracy theories, thoughts that this could be part of some plan, but in reality everything is simpler, in reality, i would not even connect this with the approaching presidential election campaign in belarus, which it will be in 2025, i think that this surge is connected with those who want to return, it is connected with the leaders who fled. it has already become completely clear to everyone, in terms of the people who are inside belarus, but it seems to me that this is just a natural desire, because everyone is tired of confrontation, as i think, everyone is tired of some kind of hatred, this

information war, confrontation and so on, especially when some external threats appear, and belarus, i remind you in... fact, is now in a state of cold wars, like russia with the western world, well , we didn't start it, yes, but the point is different, when, because it has always been like this historically, when some external enemy appears, no matter what the internal problems, people unite, and partly the same thing is happening here, and partly it's just time to stop living in the past and... move on, well, you understand perfectly well that even if 99% of belarusians who fled because they were afraid that they would have to answer for the crimes they committed, they come back here, then there will still be a bunch

of those who actually receive a salary and will continue to provoke this cold war, don't we understand this, are you an adult, yes, but the remaining 99% of people are not to blame for this, that's one, secondly, this 1%, they already have no real political influence, absolutely, they have been unable to do anything for several, several, a couple of years, that's right, their words have lost any meaning, their words have lost any real power. or at least some agreements with the west, because the times have already passed, well, this is your personal opinion or the communication that you have, as you said, it strengthens you in this opinion, it is rather an interconnected thing, well, okay,

but why then are the fugitives and your former comrades so afraid of the release of their own supposedly political prisoners, as they call them, their release from prison, from the colony, why, why are they so excited about this, well , firstly, because no matter what, these are all political prisoners, these human rights organizations, some... these are ministries that are created there on these issues, it has always been like the prerogative of exclusively these organizations, and here the state itself takes and releases people without their participation, without their participation in some negotiations and so on, that is, this essentially deprives them of some topics, instruments of pressure and basic financing, this is the first point, the second...

about the fact that we are ready to be friends, we are ready, we want to relieve this tension that is between the countries, the ball is in your court, well, we are talking about this we are talking about it constantly, the president has said it several times, yes, well, i mean , this last case was literally, probably, maybe even less than a week ago, and they are very afraid that the west will again build good, full-fledged, friendly working relations with belarus,

but the point is that this is already happening, and the negotiations and contacts between belarus and european countries, they have not gone anywhere, moreover, i will even slightly open the curtain of secrecy, i myself have participated in similar meetings several times, i will not say where, with whom, when, but it happened, and these are real meetings, these are real negotiations and so on, so - if they are afraid of this, then they probably just don't know how things really are, just like they don't know how things really are with ordinary people here now, that everything is fine in the country, and life goes on, well, those we are talking about, the fugitive opposition, yes, they have no meaning, no person, not even normal pr, but belarusians... it's definitely not interesting, for western politicians it is already becoming a burden,

well, they drag one or two figures there, and the new york times is already publishing negative articles about this, essentially burying the tunyadtsevs, but in your opinion, your ex-colleagues can still explode, those with whom you worked then, they may have some kind of unifying idea, really, because of which they can be popular.

meanings, create some and generate new ideas and offer them and be close to people, but this is unrealistic, yes, absolutely, and the czech force will be able to create some new ones , moreover, now i think that another year or two, and we will remember the current so-called opposition leaders, in fact, in about the same way as, well, i don’t know, about some, god forgive me. and as you know, i’ve

recently started sharing some exclusives, more to come, but what i want to tell you now - this again came from people i know, and this concerns both warsaw and vilnius, but let’s start with warsaw, because now, i would say, the main locomotive there is probably pavel pavlovich-latushka. widely known, who is aiming for the chair tikhonovskaya, but he can't jump there, he really wants to go there, of course, but somehow everything is not going well. i already told you about how he didn't get to the usa, because he wanted to take his mistress and daughter with him to a serious conference, but the adventure doesn't end there, the thing is that in his organization, which is called nau, it recently turned out that two former, as far as i

know, activists, this is a girl by the last name, who used to be originally... in the fund at the headquarters, and they threw her out, the gang started, here are the klatushki, it also happened that kolobok left, but it turned out that she is there, there is also this mr. kotov, they stole 150 thousand dollars from the organization's budget, idelan, that is, and the noise reached such a degree.

here is the plan in connection with which, if this will surface somewhere, then the polish curators, let's call them that, and the order was given to discredit these two persons as much as possible, comrades, that is , now we will see how enormous pressure will be exerted on these two people, on zhivoglot and kotov and there will be complete discrediting, and in general i am almost sure that there will be more - phrases in the spirit of, yes, he was fired the day before yesterday, you know, as often happens in such situations, but the problems do not end there, because in the same nau an independent audit was recently conducted, there is of course a whole bunch of complaints, starting with the fact that they were simply asked, by the way, about the security of data and documents and internal

documentation, there are no video surveillance systems, nothing like that, for some reason many functionaries inside this organization nau spoke out against... the installation of surveillance cameras, as a result they managed to come to an agreement among themselves, they just took, bought the cheapest one and installed it, just to close the box, although, again, the safety of personal data, the safety of some internal documentation, which can be very sensitive, and there was no protection or safety at all, but that's not all, let's continue, so the point is that there is such a...

only ukraine represents, and many political representatives of this belarusian, as they call themselves the political elite, the opposition, tried to build bridges with them, bridges with him, as a result, refusals literally on all fronts, about financing belsat bypassed, about kolonovites, just a couple of weeks ago they, they tried to push this topic in a conversation with him, he generally refused to talk, and... refused to talk at all about the registration of the so-called transitional cabinet in poland and in general giving them at least some official status, refusals everywhere, everything is leading to the fact that in general... now poland is just officially, because in essence, for the current authorities, the new ones,

the opposition was doing this, if the opposition was doing this, it needs to be closed, now there will be very big problems, because most likely, and any contacts with the official authorities of poland will, not only be reduced, funding will be significantly reduced, and there will be refusals to register some important initiatives. or political organizations, what this will lead to, i think everyone understands perfectly well, in lithuania many have already been declared, almost enemies people, and the poles are just going a little more carefully and just gradually blocking almost all the channels, because a new government has come, and a new broom sweeps in a new way, so it turns out that in poland the government doesn’t like...

“sorry, yes, i’m not humiliating you in any way, such a little childish naivety, you are surprised that these people, yes, who sold their homeland, well, by and large, that they will live an honest life, having fled abroad, well, really, this is, well, i don’t think so, let’s do it this way, but you know, a remark such a small one, because the last scandal, which even the same blogger virus wrote in his telegram, there in..." a whole marathon was announced a year ago to raise funds, somewhere half a million, about 600,000 euros, so they disappeared

unexpectedly, during the audit, which was conducted only now and which, yes, they, it turned out that there are a lot of hundreds of thousands missing, where they went, god only knows, and believe me, it seems to me that we still do not know about most of these cases, we do not know, and really, well, here is the fact that you told,

as a citizen, i will certainly participate in the election campaign and we will see what and how it will be, and i think that i hope that this will be, honestly, the most boring elections in the history of the country, boring in terms of. so, this is a good cause, and it is worth working for it. thank you! thank you!

the elections will be held in accordance with the constitution and it will be the belarusian people who will decide who the president will be, because the west always wants 30 years. so that they elect the president and then the elections will be good for them, today it is the people who decide the fate of the country, and no one will be able to change. the west has actually refused the soft velvet revolution of the twentieth year, the twenty-fifth year is considered by them as a combination of carrying out some terrorist attacks on our territory. any such actions are always accompanied by a very massive information attack. we have made our own visa-free, those who come to us.

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