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>> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> 2013 was a big year in foreign and domestic policy. joining me now as tom friedman coming friend of this program

and a puts of dutch pulitzer prize-winning author. his book "from beirut to jerusalem" reflects the changes in the region. he travels around the world. he most recently celebrated -- recently visited saudi arabia. especially pleased to have him back at this table. welcome. i apologize for my voice. >> that's ok. >> i don't know if john kerry will succeed in his chosen forge ans, trying to israeli-palestinian peace and a detente with iran that deprives it of a nuclear weapon.

continuing, tell me what the choices are and what you think john kerry's doing and what his his -- what is his strategy for doing it. >> my gut feeling is that it is just great to see a guy break all the rules, go through all the red lights and just say, i know i shouldn't be doing this because you all think it is impossible and i was one of those who probably said it was impossible. but i will try and i will bring credible energy to it. and by the way, when you tell me you are too busy today, that is ok. i will sit in the lobby and i will wait to see you tomorrow. there is real relentlessness to the sky. he has really kept a tight ship

and has done in a really smart way. he is basically let's go for the iran deal first. it is a choice. new york to be a big north korea or a persian china? do you want to be a country that is powerful and feared because you are building a nuclear weapon, in which case you will be completely isolated, or do you want to get that no clear program is that nuclear down to something that you and your neighbors can live with and allowing your people to realize their full potential? iran has been isolated now for 30 years. this is a great civilization. we are talking persia here. and it has been completely suppressed. we are ready to let you enrich of to your electrical needs, which is the minutes. but weready to do that,

are not ready to allow you to become a nuclear weapon state hidden if you are ready to buy that deal, you can be a part of the global community again. that is a real choice. the israelis, you have three choices. you only get to. what a be a jewish state. you want to be democratic state. and you want a state with all the land of israel. but in this will come he only can get two out of three. you can be jewish and democratic they don't get all of the land of israel. in all be democratic and of the land of israel, but you can't be jewish. and you can be in all the land jewish, but you can be democratic. -- but you can't be democratic. to goerry's strategy is right at the security issue. basically saying, you have legitimate security concerns.

they have nonstate actors armed with missiles mixing among civilians on for borders, sinai, gaza, lebanon and syria. that is no joke. read kerry is saying let's take security need you have. we know people who are good at security, our own pentagon. you have former commander john allen who says come with me and let's design -- let's take on --s project to what would project. what would be a full proof security project? the most important thing to deal with with the israelis coming have to answer one question. do you know what neighborhood i'm leaving in -- i'm living in? john kerry is starting a conversation there. i know what neighborhood you are living in. in order to say to you, if you go this way, the balance -- i

can change the balance between risk and opportunities. and also doing nothing is a big risk. we see mounting israeli- palestinian violence. there's also a movement to legitimize and isolate israel. john kerry is trying to say i will put the straight before you and i think the balance of risk and opportunities are here. and where the opportunities are greater. >> do you believe those are the places like toronto -- like questions arehese finding some residents? -- finding some resonance? >> yeah. i saw an interview the other day with the iranian foreign minister. some issue where we went after some companies that were appealing to buy that

the boycott. we have the same objectives. i always say about the iranians coming have to step back and context is everything. so why are the iranians at the table. they had an election a couple of months ago in which six men ran. six men were allowed to run, only men of course. and these were their names. esther black, mr. black, mr. black, mr. black, mr. black, mr. light black. one guy was just a little more moderate than the others. were% of iranians allowed to vote. the actual number was 54%. the regime was so freaked out they allowed him to just squeaked by. but they know what the real result was.

down below, there is a huge quest. there's some huge number who had never heard of the shah. but they've heard of twitter and facebook and the european union and america. so the iranians are not at the table by accident. history works this way. secretary clinton gets a lot of credit for putting the sanctions in place. it really turned the screw. >> john kerry has had a different iran to work with. >> absolutely. and, by the way, a different israel. im not criticizing her, but should've been beirut in april 1982. israel invaded six weeks later. there is serendipity and all of these things. john kerry came in with the right energy at the right time. >> and willing to take the risk.

he is not thinking about running for some political office anywhere. >> he really acts like a guy. you see the frenetic way he has traveled with a purpose. guy who is saying i only have so much time. i'm not going to waste a day. i bless them. >> where does seriously in all this? he is taking risk thereto. >> let's go back. maybe syria is at the point of extraction -- exhaustion where the parties will be ready to come to the table. i lived through five to 10 years of the lebanese civil war. in the end, how did the lebanese civil war and? -- civil war end? no victor, no vanquished.

the minorities needed to be overrepresented. syria will only end with no victor, no vanquished. is when doquestion all the parties basically say we are ready to step back. >> now you have any drucker saying reengage. , leave.ugh we said you don't necessarily have to withdraw that. you have to reengage because the circumstances are different and the nature the opposition are different. i think it is very good advice. and it goes back to no victor no vanquished. what assad has done is not just bad but despicable. the people he has killed, his own country, the way he has -- ish in this neighborhood, it

hama rules. >> what that is. >> it goes back to the city of hama back in 1982 when i arrived in beirut. he faced a challenge than from fundamentalists . and he crushed a by leveling the town. i am not speaking metaphorically. i mean blowing up the buildings and steamrolling them. and those are the local rules. all.rules are no rules at that is the way the regime plays. the other sideke are somehow representatives of virtue and madisonian principles. there are some decent people who really are democrats but they are not right now an empowered

majority. and somehow, we have to get somebody to the table negotiating. was sharing with me that everyone should have to agree on three principles. cease-fire, number one. amber two, you agree to majority election. you have to agree to that. but you have to agree that everybody gets to come to the table. if you tried to construct a deal where you don't get to come but i get to come, it won't happen. >> everybody that wants to come to the table can come to the table. >> this is where we have to take it up a level, where we have the russians involved, where we need them to light -- to lean on a side -- to lean on assad. we really need to lean on everybody. byon't think they will come themselves. but i think we are getting to that state of exhaustion. >> i hope so.

and the russians can play a positive role. to there huge believer is no big problem in the world that we can solve without the help of russia. >> look at russia and the ukraine. i would tell you that part of that goes to the nato expansion. that was the gift that kept on giving. what nato expansion basically said to the russians, we broke a promise to them, we push and nato right up to your borders. it was humiliating to them. it was done under yeltsin. putin her presence of backlash. he is addicted to this. putin represents the blacthe backlash. he is addicted to this.

i am not a defender ofp putin. we can't dotime, anything without him. >> he has a strategy from russia to play a role. forget the russian orthodox church plays a very important role in jputins -- in putin's russia and his psyche. you have the church there whispering in his year saying that assad is the protector of the christians. that is a factor. you don't see that. but it is part of their thinking. >> this whole possibility of the enlargement of the shia versus sunni warfare exploding outside of syria. >> i say a couple of things. we hoped, when the lid came off that whatrab spring

we saw was people grabbing their from the assad government, from the mid-barrick government, from the good dr. government. but they couldn't agree on freedom, too. what do you want to be free to do? it turned out to be that some wanted to be free to be more islamist. some wanted to be free to be more sectarian. and some wanted to be free to be more to craddick. there were -- to be more democratic. to be like citizens. because of that, that is why we see all of these roof -- these revolution sort of stalled because there is no consensus of what they wanted to be free to. >> and the people who made the war were not very good or interesting government. >> exactly. and we have learned that lesson time and again. is difficult in these modern

revolutions where everyone is kind of equal to develop leadership. one of the teases i take away from this is how much leadership and the right kind of leadership in particular really matters. that is a nelson mandela point. you need these popular movements to sweep away these popular regimes. whether it is in business or politics, yes, the bottom is being powered moore, which is great and it is exciting, but you still need a leader. edit what isone to coming up, all of this innovation. in politics, you need someone who will edit and direct, someone who has a little elevation and can see where we are going, over the crowd. that has been the real struggle for all of the movements, from occupy wall street to tahrir square. you need leaders. say,aders are able to trust me, to the people. i'm going to take a chance. trust me, i understand your reservations in and believe me.

but let's surprise them. we are not going to be predictable. or not even going to be like them. >> that is what is so missing in the israeli and palestinian politics, the element of surprise, the people will wake up one morning -- i'm going to drive around sunday morning to his house. or whatever. for the king of saudi arabia to say, i don't just have this peace plan, but come to re--- to rihad. imagine the shock to see their pleasant to fly in an ll plane. it is so rare. >> and imagine the night is states president finding out that they are on the same page and they are saying to him we are not sure we can trust you. were not sure you know what you mean when you call that red

line. we're not sure, when push comes to shove, you will be there. >> a couple of things about that. that is telling us a big point, which was that, underneath the sanctions come as long as they were in place, they were disguising a whole set of differences between the parties. so let's go through them. america, israel, saudi arabia. for america, we actually are comfortable with and iran -- we are ready to tolerate an iran that can enrich nuclear material is on as we can prevent them from making a bomb. >> why is that? >> you and i talked about this. we tried for 10 years after 9/11 to control the middle east with our own boots on the ground. we have not been successful and prize.d a huge now we need to stabilize a large area without being there. we need a relationship with iran. when we went into afghanistan, the iranians made a vital role in helping us to feed the taliban, the sunni

fundamentalist militia that the iranians opposed. if you want to get out of afghanistan and have some stability there, you need them as well. so we have a need for our own relationship with iran for both those regions. greatmember, this is a civilization, a multicultural, a multiethnic society, not unlike ours in terms of its ethnographic composition. it has its own wacky limited democracy that empowers women. his is a country that is a lot like us. you know who senses that the most? the gulf arabs. >> that is why they are there mortal enemy. >> that's right. so we can live with a certain kind of iran. can live with a strong iran as long as it is not meddling around with has ballack -- with hezbollah. is persianse iran and shiites. they don't want them to be strong at all. etc. re-arabia -- in saudi

arabia, you get a card noon -- a cartoon image. it's like a big brother who walked out of the house 34 years ago and slam the door. he took his bicycle. you took his 10 issues. he took his bed. we have all had it. last month, knock knock. he's back and they are just freaking out. he's back. he wants his bicycle, his bed, issues and his own relationship with uncle sam. >> and they are talking to each other. >> what they really sense and fear is that they like each other. so that is freaking them out. have ae israelis coincidence of interest around the nuclear thing. but i argue that even that serves to separate. morelis would want nothing if iran changes to have a natural relationship -- the

relationship between jews in persia is very long. we know that in our own dna. so these guys since all of that. my message to them when i was there just talking to her friends in the gulf and saudi fight?is don't -- to try to fight this you have to build your own relationship. do you want to spend the rest of your life replaying the shiite sunni fight from the seventh century? how is that going to work out for you? >> do you think the iranians will be willing to -- don't you -- what do you asked them to do about hezbollah? if they let them go, it is all over for hezbollah. >> this is where the bazaar opens. i need your help in afghanistan. maybe i will give you help uneconomic -- you need some going -- some boeing spare parts that you thought 30 years ago? >> et al. place together.

>> exactly asked it all plays together. >> exactly. they had an interview with the where this is from guy who is missing in iran is from. called the iranian vessel or at the yuan yesterday and said, could you pass this message -- at the iranian ambassador at the eu and said, could you pass this message along? you can bet that the iranian ambassador took his call. >> john miller, former fbi, has asked me when i interview iranian presidents, magenta jed said he knew what

he was about. in america did know that either. that was a disclosure we just had. but they said, look, they suggested they had him. -- then you surrey had sarif saying, if we had him, we would deliver him. if we knew, we would tell you. >> i don't understand either. if they did have him and they turned him over now, let him go home, boy, that would unlock a lot of goodwill for them. the thing about iran is that there are fails in side veils inside veils. you are in. >> in the same way that the israelis say why should we trust the palestinians. >> these are legitimate questions. and john kerry is trying to say

i hear you. i will do as much as i can to build security and i will lay out this opportunity on the other side because you so have the arab peace initiative. you will have relations with every arab country and every islamic country. he is not coming to them and saying, no risk, nothing to worry about. >> it's not that your point is a bad point. >> let me build up the opportunity side and put them in a balanced strategy for you.

you been to china and you been to singapore. >> here's my question about china. to scientologists, the consensus is that china went through this phase called peaceful rise.

they don't need to rise so peacefully anymore. that is one theory. >> or we can have global demand. >> exactly. i come in a little different. i think it is a frightened china more than a rising china. i think you are writing such a tiger. bloggersave 300,000 and you have these huge state- run industries that have to be downsized and privatized. so thick ion is couldn't see you if we were sitting there on the street right now. the problems and challenges they face are so gargantuan that i think they are as frightened as they are feeling empowered. and we should keep that in mind. you look at the island's issue in the south china sea. they are making these lanes, making theseare

claims. in downtown seoul, you have all of these guys riding on horseback. generals in the war against japan. haveou remember these guys their own history outside of us. so it is korea-china, china- japan, korea-japan. talk about the middle east and these cultural and tribal wars. they have the same versions well. it had just been able to suppress them with economic growth a lot better. you ring him, they have to have a job. if they don't have a job, then they are part of the problem. >> i spoke at a university in shanghai last month and what was so striking was how many times i was asked from young people there that i get asked in america, which is will i have a job? and the big challenge for china right now is that they have to

get rich before they get old. thing about china. 20 years ago, china was the story of two maternal grandparents and to paternal grandparents and two parents all saving for the mac lab top for one kid -- mac laptop for one kid. now that one kid will be paying the nursing home those of maybe two grandparents, one set of parents. for that kid to be able to do that, he needs a job that isn't just stamping out the glass for iphones. he needs a job that is knowledge-based, the has real value add. because the assembled jones are moving to vietnam and cambodia. if you have a knowledge economy, you have to loosen up again -- the senate they love it. you can't use google. you can't use bloomberg. and you can't use "the new york times." let me know how that works for you. and you have your chinese versions, baidu and whatnot. and i think that is the

challenge they face. i think it's terrifying. and by the way, i wish them well. when i talk to people sometimes, i don't use the word china. prefer so use the term won six of humanity. xth of term one-si humanity. how they make the transition from where they are now to a more open and consensual society will affect everything from the quality of the air we breathe to the value of the currency in our pockets, to the cost of the shoes on her feet. so i wish them well. >> how do you incorporate terms of freedom of expression and equal rights and drawing redlines? how do you apply that policy here and how do you put apply that policy there? and thated to dictate failed. it's not what happened. so we have to come to terms with

the fact that it will happen at their own pace. the point i try to make in writing about the trust issue is china'sething that readership hasn't -- china's leadership has a realized -- the world went from connected to hyper connected. and it did, three things are happening at the same time. wealth is concentrated at the top in this hyper connected world. if you have global skills now, you can really -- were talking about china, if you can access the china market, whether you are a ballerina, a tv interviewer, a journalist, an author or an athlete. wealth gets concentrated out the top. but power gets distributed at the bottom and transparency gets injected everywhere. isin a world where wealth concentrated at the tom, you see china leaders amassing huge wealth.

i can see your for ari -- i can see your for robbery -- i can see your ferrari. and i just tweeted it to your neighbor. transparency gets injected everywhere. in that world, you better govern in a way that people will be able to tolerate. to be democratic percent, but it better be legitimate because you will lose your legitimacy. so what is the scariest thing so what paying they -- is the scariest thing for the chinese president today? they develop a shareholding culture, markets. they have to apply to comply with global standards. that means that everyone's ownership has to be registered in a public way. so what did bloomberg and "the new york times" do? said wenme to us and

mother is worth $100 billion. and his whole family, kids, nephews, aunts and uncles are worth $2.7 billion. no one slipped an envelope under the door of our shanghai bureau. >> you went and looked in the wreckage. >> we hired lawyers and accountants and we just looked it up. imagine how scary that was to the chinese leadership. they think it is all conspiracy and that somebody did whisper all of this. maybe somebody tipped off somebody in the very beginning. but the whole roger was done with lawyers and accountants and public record. so in that kind of world come in a kind of transparent world, they will have to govern in a if runway. web bloomberg and the in our -- what bloomberg and "the new york times" did,

the number one cause of death in chinese regimes in history's corruption at the top. by the way, press report on corruption. level,provincials they report on corruption. that youo not port -- do not report corruption at the highest levels of government. so they felt that we broke a bargain but they broke a bargain with their people. so people could see it and they reacted. is a very important transition they are in. drawing redlines were necessary and build ridges were possible. >> is there an obama doctrine?

has he changed or is there some consistency of thought and strategy? you have to have a plan. you have to have a strategy. i would have a tough time if you had a rorschach test for obama, where is he going? -- in saudiov arabia, they ask what other presidents priority policies? that's easy. healthcare.gov, healthcare.gov, healthcare.gov. so he clearly has to get that fixed. i think that sucked so much air and energy out of every other part of the agenda that i couldn't tell you -- again, rorschach test, what is his plan now for his second term, i couldn't tell you. because of the way he has , if itructed his team

wanted to be critical, i would say that he is surrounded by people -- everybody has his back and nobody has his front. there is nobody in his face. i ask myself who is the person who gets in his face and says that's a really stupid idea or we really screwed up here. we need to do x, y or z. or let's get crazy. let's try a carbon tax. forget what the pollsters tell you. forget what the political -- >> tummy who has performed that role in previous presidents. who got in bill clinton's face? who got in george w. bush aust face? who got in bush 41's face? >> different people. jim bakker got into bush. i think hillary got into bill. among others. as far as george w. bush, i

don't know. i don't know enough about the inner dynamics of that administration. the question of going into serious and doing something more -- into syria and doing something more, the universal idea was everybody saying do it. we have to do it now and they didn't do it. on the other hand, he went into get osama bin laden. that, too, butst that decision turned out to be the right decision. very risky. >> i think the president has done a lot of good things that i would praise them for. he finishes on health care. i hope it works.

the things he has done on auto mileage, the things that he has done that i really like. but i ain't that what has trusted me most is that i voted for him for one reason. i'm not supposed to say who i voted for, but i voted for him for one reason. i-4 he would change the polls, not read the polls. he has done -- i thought he would change the polls, not read the polls. what was it they gave nelson mandela the moral authority? it's that at times he was unafraid to challenge his own base. i would say that obama has never really gotten in the face of his gave nelsonch mandela the authority to challenge the whites in a way that would give obama chance to challenge republicans in the right way.

now obama has face to the crees used a version of the republican party that anyone has ever faced. -- the -- now obama has faced version of the republican party that anyone has ever faced. ort or whatever it -- cult what ever it is. him, i would love him to take these next three years and say i am going to put on the table all the stuff that is off the table. a i think that part of committee quality is putting it on the table. my believe the senate should be done. believe this needs to be done. because he is assessed with health care, as he should be, he basically says to john kerry go do it. i am giving you a lot of line, more than i have ever given.

>> what i am missing from the current discussion -- and this is not in any way all of obama's news that the led by taxes or no taxes, income inequality, entitlement reform and they are all in port and illegitimate. but nobody is -- they are all important and legitimate. the nobody is talking about growth that would make solving those easier. >> two things. i will come back to growth. how you factor in today when you look at america's future, the fact that we now have energy independence on the horizon, what impact does that have on all the things we are talking about, including our own domestic economy? >> let's go back to the middle east for a second.

i think the middle east come in the last four or five years, as we become more energy independent, the middle east for america has gone from being a necessity to being a hobby. i like hobbies. i like to work on model airplanes. some days i work on them and some days i didn't. is that they sense something has changed for us. the sense of urgency about the middle east is gone and they are right. one thing we know is we will never face 1973 gas lines ever again. how the middle east evolves and should it involve in a stable way is a critical interest of ours because our trading partners, china, india and europe are still dependent on the leased oil. -- on middle east oil. but the sense of urgency is gone. the critical thing is how do we use this bounty? do we use it to say we are energy and and and.

-- we are energy independent, let's party? we just got a huge windfall, let's use this, ok, as a bridge to a clean energy economy. and useke natural gas it to substitute for efficiency, solar and wind, we will be making a terrible mistake. if we take natural gas and substitute it for goal and dirty fuels, we will be doing the greatest things we can. >> what do you make of the snowden revelations in what seems to be happening now in thata clear recommendation the nsa has to change and the president suggesting -- >> i read very little about it. i learn a little bit more all the time when i read the stories. but when you add up everything, what comes through to me is that

snowden was a whistleblower and that technology had left ahead. apt ahead of paying attention to the regulatory allocations we need to preserve the kind of privacy we need. i don't know, as a country, do we grant him asylum? i would be perfectly willing to consider that, come back, give us everything you haven't is closed -- haven't disclosed. i think that is worthy of consideration. more i read, the the more i see some of the legal charges. i am not an expert in this area. i worry that we are doing this at a time when we think there will never be another 9/11 and we do need an nsa. we need an nsa that is compatible with our laws and privacy and who we are as a society.

so i still believe that there are real enemies out there and i don't want to get carried away in that direction. but snowden looks to me more and more like a whistleblower every day. and i think we should find a way to end this chapter. >> so he's a whistleblower that did not act like one. >> i don't have a recommendation but i think that is a discussion that we needs to do. what he needs to do and what we need to do to bring this to some closure. >> talking about the economy, we .ften talk about nationbuilding it has to do with education and science and research and use of technology. it has to do with being competitive in the 21st century. and you see those who are ahead of us in education. sa i just wrote about the pi

results. the guy who runs it, the three of us went with a group than we visited the school in shanghai. -- one thing you will read they cherry picked those kids. the school that was one of the in schools, and a lot of them came from disadvantaged neighborhoods, from the countryside in china. so i go saying what is the secret? what is the big deal? you can tell me they stand on their heads for 30 minutes in the morning? they have double servings of milk? what is the secret? what is so cool when you're there is a you realizes there's no secret.

this school 10 years ago was a failing school. it is also very important. so they were actually failing and they put something in place and now they are world leading. so wasn't like they were always there. so what is the secret? the secret is that they developed a system. this is one thing i learned covering energy. energy is a scale problem. if you don't have a scale solution, you have a hobby. so that's not going to change. energy is another scale problem. the only way you get a scale solution is when you have a system. a system that allows ordinary people to do extraordinary things. that is the only way you get a change. in energy, how do ordinary people do externally change with the system? remember the last time he stayed in a european hotel. they gave you a plasticky card. when you got to the hotel room home a although power is off. when you put in your key card,

all the power comes on. when you leave, all the power comes off. that leads you as an individual person to do externally things. this system is based on getting ordinary teachers to become extraordinary by in part allowing them to teach only about 70% of their time and spent 30% of their time on personal the moment with other teachers, costly working -- constantly working on aircraft. -- constantly working on their craft. professional development. another thing they do with that 30% extra time, the teachers we talk to, they said come on average, i have three e-mail conversations or phone calls with every kids parents in my class every week. so they are basically leveraging the parents to be an extension of the school day and of the teacher and how is your kid doing? they bring kids in and to do them on computer skills and math

so they will be better able to help the kids do their homework. then they take their best now that they have made their average teachers better, they take their best teachers and apply them to the hardest kids. we take the average teachers and make them better. and then we take the best teachers and apply them to the hardest problems. but there is also a culture of learning. kids come to school there prepared to learn, not to text. they come to school knowing -- one thing we know about culture is that culture is very powerful, but cultures can change. look at kipp. the key elements of it, number one, you are responsible. you have to have ownership over your own learning.

you have to be responsible. and a culture that says you're learning, how will you do here, will be directly connected with how well you do in the world. in a job, as a citizen. young people have to make that connection. and when they don't have that sense of ownership, ownership is the kid alive. when you own something, charlie, i can never ask you to do more than you will do on your own. when you feel ownership as a country, as a student, as a boss here -- when you tell one of your producers, you own this segment, baby, they will work in total ways. in the world, no one has washed a rented car. when people own things, it is amazing what they will do on their own. to improveve teaching so we don't end up as 18th and 19th. where theyculture want to learn. >> we have always had this

problem. we have always lag in international tests. so what did we do? we improved immigration. we have a lot of walls to prevent competition. we have all that. we also had a generation who were really educated the old- fashioned way, real fundamentalists. that generation is dying off. we are letting the smartest students in the way we used to. by the way, they have great opportunities now at home and the walls have all come down. we talked about this once before. to me, the central socio--- of allffective chapter time is that averages over. above-average automation, above- average software, above-average cheap labor, above-average cheek

genius. in the -- cheap genius. wherein desk where you and i lived in the cold war, what will the middle-class? there was high wage middle skilled jobs. >> show i pay these people so they can buy my cards. >> -- my cars. isevery middle-class job now pulled in three directions at once. it pulls up where it requires more skill to do. it follows out, where more people in software can do it. or it is being pulled down, outsourced in history faster than ever. the things that got us through the 1950s, the 1970s, the 1980s and climbing in the 1990s and 2000's, it won't do it for the 21st century. everyone has to be in the process of lifelong learning. and that is why these tests matter.

we will be able to do it more cheaply. "the start up of you." you have to own it now more. it applies to me. the averages over fermi. --ore this thing ash that the averages over for me. i became a columnist in january 1995 for "the times." and i inherited the office the james reston used. what a thrill that i inherited this great office from the great writer in the 1970s. he's to get up every morning and say to himself i wonder what my seven competitors will write today and he personally knew all seven of them. i do the same thing. i come to the same office and i morning, ielf every

wonder what my 70 million competitors will write today. i have 70 million competitors. onlines, writers, magazine -- by the way, it is incredibly enriching for me because i can see what is going on out there and learning from people who weren't traditional journalists but full of insight. but it is a totally different environment. in averages over for me, too, just like everybody else. >> thank you for coming. >> pleasure. >> when is the next book? >> just fine with it now. the idea in my head is something about all the transitions i have seen in the last 20 years. it might be called "the second draft of history." the first draft of history is the reporting. the second draft is the reporting columnist. and the third draft is the historian. so i'm thinking about the second draft of history. >> thank you.

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>> welcome to "lunch money" i am adam johnson. the fed chose confidence in the economy and starts to taper it economic stimulus. in tech, facebook and mark zuckerberg land to sell shares worth $4 billion. the crash test results are out. we will tell you who is the safest and who is not. and we had to the farm to find out what makes wide you -- wagyu beef different than the others. the past few weeks we have seen signs of the u.s. economy on the mend. growth has picked up. unemployment has dropped.