♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. ♪ >> i have confidence in the fact that the nsa is not engaging in

domestic surveillance or snooping around, but i also recognize that as technology has changed, people can start running algorithms and programs, to map out all the information that we are downloading on a daily basis into our telephones and our computers. that we may have to refine this further. >> we begin this evening with the latest road -- revelations with the national security agency. president obama will address the nation on nsa reform on friday, expected to balance privacy concerns and national security. edward snowden possibly except shown an extensive program. has shown anwden's extensive program, and how they can hack into computers not connected to the internet. -- isg me is david saying "conceal."or of

let me read the first paragraph. agency hasl security implanted software in nearly 100,000 computers around the world to allow the united states to create surveillance on the machines and create a digital highway for launching cyber attacks. that is one powerful opening statement. tell me about it. >> the fact that the nsa targets around the world is not a surprise and make target all-digital communication, but we learned as you and i have discussed at some length during the attacks on iran's nuclear program, they can get into a computer system completely walled off from the internet. or intelligence agency company or criminal group that 100%d to try to have

insurance that they are not being watched and will not be hit by some kind of cyber weapon would disconnect their computers from the outside world. the big challenge has always been, what do you do about these computers separated from the internet that rob we have the data the nsa is most interested in? during the reporting on the iran'sc games, against th nuclear enrichment program, i thought that the nsa was well down that road. details i couple of learned along the way that we of thed at the request government because they use these for operational purposes, but then, a german news magazine published a number of documents a couple of weeks ago that basically revealed the degree to which the nsa has designed small

devices that can do a radio transmission up to eight miles toy, to an nsa relay station download all the data on the computer but also insert new packets of data to attack. >> what do they have to do to get there to have that ability? >> it is not easy. if you are the nsa the easiest thing to do is attack a network and get into those optical telephone connections across the pacific and the atlantic to get into some kind of regional network. you have to implant a small radio frequency device that can broadcast over a covert channel before that computer gets to the hands of your target. or you need to put in place a thumb drive, that has this circuitry built into it. one of the documents shows a project called cottonmouth,

which are small usb devices which have this great transmission ability hidden inside. once that is plugged in the nsa has a way into the machine even with no connection to the internet. i knew from my reporting on that thoughtt the iranians they were disconnected and the nsa was still mapping out all of the connections between their computers and the centrifuges and designing an attack to hit that. how were they going back and forth, are they working -- waiting for a human being to forth?e usb back and these designs from 2008 -- just as the olympic games process was getting going, would strongly suggest that iran was a test case for making this work.

>> did edward snowden have anything to do with understanding how far that the nsa is on this particular era? >> he did. the documents that were published and the documents in a dutch newspaper came from the snowden archives. mr. snowden left his job in hawaii, as an in-state consultant, with this in hand. i don't know how much time he had to go through or how much of these programs he understood. >> where is the united states in their assessment of edward snowden and what he may still have and what damage he may know about>> we only the limited public comments that some nsa officials have made on 60 minutes, some, to some other reporters, and they seem to believe that there is more data out there, that he has not yet released.

the information i worked from, actually has been out on the internet for a number of weeks since it was published in various places, but it was information you sort of had to look at, because of the history of the iran project in order to piece together some elements. but others did a very good job as well. >> keith alexander or the other people in that piece said that snowden had, in essence, showed the king to -- keys to the kingdom. >> i think it was one of his deputies that was doing the assessment of the damage done by snowden. he says that he left with the keys to the kingdom. but there has been the assumption in the u.s. intel community that the chinese and russians have full access to this material already. >> because of snowden. >> and because he was first in

hong kong and then he moved on to russia where he remains today. but we don't know for a fact that they got all of that material but certainly the material i reported on this out becausech was of other publications in europe, they had that for a number of weeks if they did not have it for months before. >> and how could this be used in cyber warfare e not to send them back to the original notion of not being able to take the signal from inside a computer and transmitted from the computer and then be analyzed and dealt with? >> it can be analyzed and dealt with, turned around and new packets can be injected back into a computer that could have false commands, so if you have a network computer, instead of using the design and the attack, if you have a standalone

computer then you need to use a very bad sort of analogy in the medical world, you need to have in, with theput material that you want to inject. doctors do that repeatedly. and the software, the 100,000 or so -- that would serve the dual purpose of allowing the nsa to do surveillance, but also the pathway to conducting the path. this is sort of the reverse of conditional warfare. the easiest part of this is surveillance. you can fly the spy plane overhead and the hard part is doing the attack. in cyber warfare this is worse -- getting them in and undetected. once this is sitting there and creating a pathway, --

>> let me turn to the president's speech on friday. your newspaper reported something i found interesting, this is the third paragraph. peter baker and charlie savage. say,esult, he seems to seems to leave in place many current programs, leaves in place many current programs but it embraces the spirit of reform. and keeps the door open to change later. rhetoric,s like more then it does changing today. does and we will have to work and -- wait until friday morning when he gives a speech to the justice department to see how specific he is going to be. committee that the advisor -- the advisory committee that he created, to come up with suggestions for change, issued

an unclassified report with 46 recommendations. we will be able to go right down the scorecard and say that the president embraced this one and rejected that, punting some of the others. but he has decided not to take o command, whicher- have the same commander. the story that peter and charlie wrote this morning suggests that it may also reject a major recommendation that they had to the the database of all telephone numbers that we have been talking about, for telephone calls, out of the hands of the government and move that into private hands. telecommunications companies and consortium. that was a strong recommendation of the group, it does not look as if the president will accept that. the other thing he may kick to congress.

and tell them to choose. intelligence agencies are operating under congressional mandate. but they are essentially an instrument of the executive branch. if the president wanted to get some changes in congress, one thing he would do is stand up and say that this requires conventional action. but this is one thing that congress should do. the president, while wanting to embrace some of the spirit of change, may be under a lot of pressure from the intelligence communities not to engage in what is called unilateral disarmament. 2 recommendations -- i will be watching closely that relate to the story we have this morning about cyber techniques, the advisory group says that the nsa should be instructed to help strengthen rather than weaken encryption.

they have worked to weaken this so they can get in. is something others opposed -- but the committee also says the nsa should get out of the business of exploiting flaws in common software like microsoft windows. they used that in the attacks on iran, for example. these are not politically sensitive the way that monitoring telephone calls is. but they go to the heart of what the nsa does these days. it will be interesting to see if they mention them in the speech. this came out in the 60 minutes piece. thatconditional amnesty david snowden has led? >> everyone i've spoken to in the white house and the administration has rejected that thought out of hand. they did not say they would not talk to them about some kind of deal but they believe that the precedent of giving him full amnesty and letting him walk in

returns for getting their data back would set a bad precedent. know how much would be in the hands of others right now. >> finally, this. is the president talking about some kind of public advocate who will represent the cause of the libertarians and transparency and privacy? >> it looks very much like he will embrace that recommendation, the recommendation to allow someone to argue the other side of the cases in front of the fisa court, the surveillance court. it is interesting because we saw some pushback from the judiciary they want thaty, public advocate in all cases. right now this is a very one- sided legal procedure. president, given his legal

training probably finds that objectionable. >> let me ask one more question. i know that you have to go but i am fascinated by this. if you look at where the negotiators are with respect to a nuclear deal, what is your likelihood andhe what would be the final result that would be acceptable to the iranians on one hand and plus one on the other? >> in this case you don't need one deal, you need 2 deals, one between the united states and the iranians, and one between the leadership and the new iranian leadership, president and a deal between president obama and congress. those side deals may be harder

to reach than the one between the united states and iran. the difference between united states and iran is going to be difficult for three reasons. the first is the interim agreement merely freezes things basically at the status quo. the new agreement, if this will be acceptable to the u.s. and the other allies will have to rollback their capability. >> and the dismantling of centrifuges? >> dismantling of a lot of centrifuges. the iranians built up a lot. we have never seen the international atomic energy inside the research operations that they believe are working on the design of a weapon. it would be difficult and ifarrassing to the iranians they had to allow the scientists who were believed to be working on that to be interviewed. i think the third big problem is

lifting sanctions against iran in a very difficult way, this will be a heavy lift because so many democrats want to impose new sanctions now, even as negotiations are underway. >> thank you, david. good to have you. back in a moment, stay with us. ♪

♪ >> james dyson is here, best known as the inventor of the dyson, a backless vacuum cleaner. his company also invented the airplane hand dryer. his products have made him a billionaire. , "i justnce said that think things should work properly. "

there is the james dyson foundation encouraging young engineering.sue i am pleased to have sir james dyson at this table. were growing up, what kind of kid where you? where you constantly tinkering? were you interested in building things? >> i come from a very academic at ground. my mother was an english teacher. i was brought up in the wilds of north norfolk. i was -- it was an academic upbringing. it.d a set -- but i hated i built model airplanes on top of the house and watched them crash into the ground. the answer is probably, yes. mind or is a frame of mindset that engineers seem to have.

>> i did not discover that until i went to the royal college of arts and design. then i realize the engineering something was always more important than the design. >> are they in conflict? >> they very much used to be. use to the?hey >> i think an engineer is a man in a white coat who made it work, and the designer was a stylist who made it look good, and that is sort of a -- a victorian concept. i think during the 1930s, modeling people started to appeal -- appear and they used the design, on the outside surface to make it look good. it is not my kind of design. i think design is something that goes through the whole product and something that happens when the product is being developed. >> you sound like steve jobs.

the rizzo mindset about design and function. >> and engineering. this is holistic. the design and what this is like to use. >> what is the process for you? ways.s goes a number of you either get angry about something you are using, because it does not work properly -- and sometimes it is just a bit of technology and you suddenly realize that this can do another job much better. such as the hand dryer. >> how is this? >> we were developing a blade of air that is like a windshield wiper. well, forng quite what was given and we suddenly realize that you could scrape the water off of the hands instead of blowing hot air at them rather than the paper towel. this used 1/6 of the hand dryer

-- because this is just cold air. it happens both ways. the vacuum cleaner, we worked to solve the problem. not so much to get rid of the bag but just the problem of the bag. this restricts the airflow and clogs and it wrecks the suction. that was the problem i was trying to solve. >> is there joy for you in solving problems? >> yes. that is what an engineer does, big problems, like clogging or there can be very little problems, making the wheel not fall off. as much as i like the thought of a problem before i do it, once i get involved, it is hugely enjoyable. >> is there a lot of trial and error? >> yes. wasn't a success but watching failure and experiencing failure gives you a

clue as to how you may solve it and you don't get that -- >> it is interesting to me how there are certain places where the basic ideas of your own choice lead to the results -- and sometimes a much better machine. >> i can guarantee you that the point we started that is simply unrecognizable by the time we have the finished product, and invention is something that cannot be devised by one skilled in the arts. is the a process that discovery of accident and happenstance. it is the most wonderful journey. it is agony. like painting, is agony. the nextu get out morning and -- >> it is a matter of making choices. you are in the crossroads with a lot of distant choices. my engineers are absolutely

brilliant, brilliant at analyzing the options available and choosing the right one. >> what are your passions beyond engineering? >> engineering and engineering. >> not sailing? >> i like running and playing tennis, opera, i used to play the bassoon. >> because nobody else played it? >> yes. the pathological desire as a child. >> and you thought -- the vacuum cleaner was intriguing because this was such a basic product. >> a horrible product. a lot of people hated it and most people probably still do hate it. wasi just remember there this stale dust and screaming noise and it not picking things up and at 25 i had the same experience with what was

basically the world's most popular vacuum cleaner. an engineer and have to know how this work's. >> when you think of the things that have influenced you, your own mind and experience, is japan one of them in its own culture? >> yes. i was just intrigued when i read that. how immediately interested they were in artifacts. how they were put together and why they were put together. that was the first thing, the second thing was their determination to get everything perfect before they launched a product. the focus on perfection at the expense of making money. -- i loved that. >> you developed that as your own philosophy. make it perfect before you launch it. thet let the appeal of dollar overwhelm your sense of

perfection. >> i had been worried about the product. and that is why i did not go public, i want to concentrate on the product and if we get the product right, everything will follow. >> why do you promote this yourself? >> it was not my idea but i don't object to doing it. i like explaining why i have done this, just explaining -- >> and if your enthusiasm is appreciated, the product will be appreciated. >> enthusiasm helps but people can see what we are trying to do. it is often very difficult when you go to the shop and you look at products. you don't know what they are trying to do. they tell you basic things but if someone explains it -- the concept that you don't understand. we have some specifics having understood your philosophy. >> part of this is that the

battery-operated vacuum cleaners are very powerful because the motor has to be very small and the battery does not have much charge. are convenient. >> the point is we are trying to create a cordless vacuum cleaner. >> the key to this was the motor we developed that goes 125 miles per hour. the fastest -- 125 rpm. the fastest was 35 rpm. the clue was to go as fast as that without shaking itself to bits. balance is the key to this and electronics. this is a digitally controlled motor, and there are no brushes. it took us a long time because it is very difficult. >> did you farm out that idea to a subcontractor or did you come up with this? >> we have been developing motors for 50 years.

we had to develop our own motors. no one else was making progress and i wanted to make rye grass with smaller and more efficient ones. we set up on the journey 15 years ago. >> are you working on batteries? >> very much so. this is not ours, but this has nickel manganese and it gives it 50% more power. int we are doing is putting this very light and very powerful motor with an improved battery and a more efficient motor, enabling us to get full, upright vacuum cleaner performance from a machine that is clear of the cord. vacuums says this is a ghastly thing to deal with, the cord. a bore, unwinding this and winding it up again, this is

utter freedom. >> this is four and a half pounds. >> this is very light. you can do the stairs and the car like that. >> this is for the car. >> and the cobwebs. >> this is the same product but there is a difference here. >> i have taken that off and now i can do the stairs, and the cobwebs. this is all that you need. >> you don't have to answer this because this is a private company but how much revenue will this generate? >> i think it will take over the main vacuum cleaner as we develop more powerful motors. >> this is an interesting question. what has come from these giant strides forward in taking the hostile -- the backing cleaner and what you do to dry your hands? does this lead to other engineering breakthroughs? in pursuit of one thing, you end

up accomplishing something else, which happens in medicine. you find that something you were working on cured something else. >> i was trying to make more powerful and efficient motors to lead to other products. >> but this is a corporate secret. >> very much so. >> but we need to be able to do other things. battery technology also leads us to one of those things. it gets to the point where you don't need a cord, but where are we getting to now? there are a lot of attitudes to pursue. these are very interesting, the concept of power storage. >> and it is made up of different elements. conductivity,igh and it is very strong and very thin, and also, very insulated. chemical batteries may be the

answer, other batteries may be the answer. >> what is the problem with musk car, is this a lithium battery? people who forget the problems problems, are they susceptible to burning? >> i doubt it. lithium ion batteries are -- if installed correctly, with the correct software, they are safe. historically they have gone wrong. >> but when they go wrong they primarily lead to the creation of fires? >> i think one or two laptops him.t on fire with he said in the battery making process but the concept is perfectly safe. we have batteries every year -- have, i assume

because of the velocity of technical change, keep on top of things with a massive amount of continued study, yes? >> unfortunately not very much by me, -- >> you will hire people to do that, on the cutting edge of change. >> and driving it. >> that is even better. >> we work with several black -- bright universities -- >> you say you work with them? you endow them to do certain things? shares,y them or create we pay for a team to work on something, with half a dozen to a dozen at cambridge, the imperial college in london, working on various bits of technology. and through parallel -- we have teams inducted working on

obvious things like lithium batteries. >> you are always tempted to make a car? >> we are tempted but that is beyond us at the moment. say that?you >> this is a bridge too far. and we are having so much fun with what we are doing anyway. private company we have to expand at a phenomenal rate. >> you would do that because i would assume, someone like you does something not just because you have to worry about you do things because you are, by nature, a person challenged by change, challenged by creating something new. that electricnows cars are part of the future. >> yes, they do. >> i cannot imagine that you would be interested in that

beyond saying -- not interested in that beyond saying it is a bridge too far. >> we're interested in batteries that are not doing anything yet. >> but if you had a breakthrough you would know how to apply this. >> maybe we would do this ourselves or work with someone else and an electric motor could get us there. we are making very efficient electric motors. this is very important. >> what is your day like? >> the typical day is when i arrived at work and deal with my appointments and then i go down to be with my engineers. >> not corporate money -- >> i would love to stay in my office but i go to the engineers -- that is a good expression. and itut vacuum cleaners is just wonderful. >> do you have any ambition you have not satisfied?

>> making cars? musk, here heelon comes. i can see it now. ladies and gentlemen, the dyson. you have a number of names for this. >> of course, all these technologies that we want to develop, i want to be around to see those being developed in 15 or 20 years out. i am thinking about those. i am not thinking about making cars but developing the technologies that give us the power to develop other things. >> are you concerned about the idea of making engineering and attractive profession so that people -- you encouraging people to do it, and young people to understand how exciting the life in engineering can be. this is an idea that you care

about. >> the real problem they have even in japan, not in china but india and singapore, where there are graduates -- the problem is that the pace of technology is moving too fast. korea,nd indonesia and other countries can make wonderful things and historically we rarely export to can make it they much more cheaply so we have to make it much better. and so, we have to do this much more quickly and make bigger leaps. >> the question becomes, are they going to get better so that they are both good and cheap and therefore leaving the west behind? >> that is exactly what has happened. manufacturing has declined at a phenomenal rate. but we could get that back if we use our intelligence, wonderful

people coming out of universities, and we can win this race because the value is not in the manufacturing, it is the intellectual property. to win the export race, we have to have better technology. everyone wants technology, everywhere. >> and you have to have a culture that encourages technology and build on the innovation that it already has. >> the problem is not only that we need engineering, with shortages at the moment -- the shortages here, i believe. young people are not realizing their potential. you go to these brilliant schools in chicago and you see byse 40-year-olds fascinated engineering and creating and a lot of people will -- popular culture tells them that being an engineer is hard and not very rather than being a

doctor or a lawyer and that is what they all do. -- >> and then they go to wall street. and they have a lot of engineers at these universities. dohink a lot of young people not realize their potential. and we are being left behind in the global technology area and sector -- do aboutt will you that? >> my foundation is helping to encourage design and technology in schools and engineering schools, we are doing after school classes in chicago, and send students engineering bosque -- boxes with dyson components were you can understand how this sort of thing worked together, we are supporting grants to people reading engineering science and funding and giving grants to postgraduates. who are science and

engineering postgraduates. 90% of people doing postgraduate work are with -- are from outside the european union. in the united states it is 50%. if they go home and we don't encourage them to stay in england -- >> not as much as you would expect because of immigration laws. that is a real problem. it is difficult to keep them in the united states. the popular expression is that we should staple a green card to every diploma. because it isthat the same problem in england. we get the politicians to make exceptions. they really hate making exceptions. australia doesn't. if you have an engineering degree in australia -- the answer is simple. youngre worried about people having the degrees and

then staying -- >> that is my sense, exactly. you can't beat the wage component. but you have to beat it some other way. in some cases this has happened in the united states, manufacturers coming back here that had actually left for a variety of reasons. it is about creativity because of how you become more efficient in the process and the nature of the product that your creativity is making. >> this is a good example. there is no one on the line with these, this is all robotic. and one reason we do so many things in singapore is because we have the support of the robots and the automation there, that we would not have here and we have to have the support -- >> if i was an english politician i would want to do something about that. politicians care about nothing the way that they care about

creating jobs. >> what has happened is we have lost the skills to make things and those engine -- intellectual skills for developing new technology, that is where all of the prophet is, and the job creation, not so much in the assembly line itself. >> it is great to have you here. much success, continued. with what is on the table and is in your own brain. we are pleased to have you. james dyson. back in a moment. stay with us. ♪ [indiscernible] >> french politicians have a theiry enjoyed privacy in love lives. a recent scandal from francois hollande has pushed his into the public eye. tabloid alleges he is having an affair with a french

actress, and valerie treierweiler is in hospital, after suffering shock over the allegations. my guest has lived in france and the magnificent apartment for a number of years before returning to the united states. it is painful, isn't it? the question is, this came up with -- this has some of the same ideas. are the french different? certainly it -- then the united states in their attitudes about sexual affairs? >> they are. i think the difference is completely admirable. this is not to say they are not a moral society, this is

tolerant in different ways. i have lived in france for a long time. the french attitude about sex and privacy is, when it comes to children, by force is unacceptable and everything else is human comedy unfolding as the human comedy always will. they do have a different attitude and they believe there should be some area of your life reserved for yourself that you don't have to share everything with the world to be a public person. the law protects them from those kinds of intrusions. the newspaper and the magazine was forced to pull the stuff off their website. instantly. all of that stuff is incredibly right and healthy and we can learn a lot from it. here is the problem. by having a principal and applying it forever, what you seem to be saying to a population if you are the leader or the prime minister or the

president is that the pursuit of pleasure is always justified. the pursuit of pleasure is always primary. when you are in a moment -- that was the argument. s'st was francoi former president had 2 families who both came to his funeral. the old joke, the penalty for bigamy is to wives. problem in french life -- i just came back from france a couple of weeks ago. i was over before christmas doing a story about french pickpocketing academic -- epidemic and you and i both spent a lot of time in france and you know how it is. ande is always a crisis, the crisis is the most grim and dark thing to ever happen in the history of the world. it reminds me of my relatives in

florida, they are always dying of the same disease all the time and you say, i think you will survive. for the first time in france, it seems genuinely serious. they are genuinely worried about france and not in that rhetorical, theatrical way. the extreme right is on the rise. >> and the rating and approval of the president are the lowest in the history of the french president. >> the lowest in history of the french republic. consequence, what signal are you sending at a time when you have to ask people ask the french to curb their appetites. you are asking ordinary people to take less from the state. >> all of those things which are part of what makes french live quite wonderful, you are asking them to change in asking rich people to pay more. you are asking people to curb their appetite.

that is something the state should have to do and you are unable to curb your own. >> you should lead by example. >> and if you don't want to lead by example you should not be leading. you don't have to be perfect or ideal. you can be a perfectly flawed human being but it seems to me, american --itanical this is a terrible failure of manners. he should have had better judgment and the sense that, at this moment in french history when i have achieved this position of privilege and power, i have the obligation to be sure whati can show the world, we mean by leadership. and character. haveis is amazing to me, i met and had dinner with valerie and what is amazing, for her to go to a hospital. how dramatic can this be? >> when someone goes to a exhaustion, it

means something is significantly wrong. you are more worried about what could happen there. but remember, his previous relationship, and, knowledge was with the previous socialist candidate -- >> beating him out when he was the head of the party. >> as if bill and hillary had run against each other. >> she ran and lost against nicolas sarkozy, and they had four children together without marrying. this is not that uncommon in france. they were totally committed. this is nothing -- countries morality puritanical are not immoral. what struck me about france is that every moment in someone's life has to be argued out in terms of right and wrong. what do i owe my lover and my husband.

think about the great french films. what are they all about? they are about, what are the proper sexual ethics for this moment. what do i oh my girlfriend? this is not all that immoral. i am sure that you have spent hours and hours arguing out the specifics of a particular sexual moment but if you argue them out without this moment -- it is hard not to have sympathy. >> what is interesting to me is that, number one, if you are a popular political leader you have more room. when president bill clinton ran into an impeachment whirlwind, he was a popular president. he had done asat president. >> in the middle of an economic wave -- >> it made life easier even

though it was push when it came to shove and it was very close because they had an enormous lot of terrible things that we thought the president should not be doing in the oval office. that, the oval office but i think this is a crucial part. a lot of people would feel -- it is not as if anyone is saying that this is not what two adults do together, but not having the discipline to keep yourself from doing it in the oval office. still a terrific president but the totality of the circumstance, this is where the bad judgment was dropped. >> there are pictures, i don't know if this is true but they must have said yes or no -- but he has not denied any ng to draw the line. the video of him arriving or leaving her apartment on a motorcycle or whatever it was, with a helmet and glasses, and

sometimes that brings stealth to a new dimension. >> unintentionally comic in a lot of ways. >> there is no better way? >> you think that he would have done it with more dignity. >> there had to have been a tunnel somewhere. >> look, anyone's life examined in that kind of detail, i would shudder to have my extremely boring life examined photo buy photo, day and night. -- itasize with someone is not good for the society to have that kind of scrutiny. but the british tabloids are totally free to make what they want of it. and all those french journalists are shocked that the french journalists are not trying to do the same thing. you are not trying to invade someone's privacy and make it sound miserable? but at the same time you have to talk about this like before,

what do we mean by character? say, ier to refrain, to could do this but i will not. when we talk about a failure of character, i don't think we are being puritanical or unfair. >> how do you think it will unfold? this will be a story today or tomorrow? >> he said he would not take any questions about it. he said he would figure out which woman he was attached to before he comes here. >> but he will come here with the first lady. he isthe bachelor -- making a decision. >> they say, you could not make it up. >> but it is less about sexual morality and more about the dignity of office. and the discipline of office. that is what people will respond to. is the deeply worrisome thing. in the european elections coming

the national front, the extreme right-wing party is ahead, with the very real chance that the national front would be the leading party in france in the election in five months time. that is not a little crisis, that is an enormous crisis because that says a very far role party would have that in france. >> about 17%? >> in the polls they show her in the 20s. in the european elections this is a protest vote. they don't have a great deal of power but if that happened, you have to wonder about the fifth republic, the constitution. this is a grave thing and it is not the time to be screwing around, to coin a phrase. i think that is what people are responding to. it is very worrisome to see at this moment, this is not a crisis like any other.

we have been through many of those. this is miserable. >> note to americans love france that are then you and me. thank you, adam. thank you for joining us. see you next time.

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