>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." changeve had a career

two years ago with my injury, with changing teams. i have been on a one-year on a time basis. i have no plans beyond this game. >> the super bowl will kick off in new jersey. the broncos will face off against the seahawks. , the broncosg quarterback, dominated opposing defenses. this marks the first super bowl played in the cold weather climate. our guest is a senior writer for sports illustrated. adam is that nfl insider. sports illustrated ranks and in 13ber 13 -- ranks him number

in the list of most powerful people in sports media. the most frequently discussed topics are the weather and richard sherman. we have talked about two things. the weather and richard sherman. >> i heard you say, legion of doom. >> let's just talk about those two things. >> the weather forecast for sunday is such that we will see 30 degrees. about 50 mile per hour winds, -- winds.le-per-hour this will be the coldest super bowl ever played. that it willch have some impact on the game. for -- cold-weather fare

favor defense? >> these two teams are used to it. they are practicing in the cold-weather. denver is not exec we warm -- exactly warm. >> the biggest thing, charlie, is that peyton manning has had net procedures -- neck procedures. his arm strength is 85% of what it was at its peak. if there are wins, he will be affected. you should want your players to be on the stage the least affected by whether. >> it is a game of inches. he has been getting too delights from -- tutelage from his little

brother eli. eli has been telling him how the wind shifts at the meadowlands. advice aboute him the weather and stadium, but not the seahawks. >> richard sherman. tell me about this interview you did and what we should understand. been theurst has driving store since it happened. >> i loved that you get to see the full picture of who richard sherman is. >it was just 20 seconds. that doesn't give a full picture of anyone. in thetainly 20 seconds field during his quarter that -- quarterback bravado persona. we talked about some of the issues he faced after that moment.

how quickly race came into the discussion for him, both in specific language with hate speech and tweets, but also recently coded language like the word thug. we get to see richard sherman speak eloquently on that subject and show the depth of who you was. the impression of him. this is a stanford educated guy. getting to see him speak so eloquently on these issues tell the rest of america how smart this guy is. >> you went out to seattle. why him? tell me the experience of write. into right -- >> i illustrated this new website. it would be all about the nfl. i felt we had to be difference then -- different than easiest

be in -- espn. i whole thing was i wanted to get players and coaches and maybe even office people to write stories for us. to write columns for us. i wanted to be embedded where people have never been before in football. i wanted to get a player who i knew was smart. i knew richard sherman was really smart. i wanted a player who would say, you are wrong about this. i knew he would be willing to do that. he would make reasoned and calm and smart arguments. he thought about it for a little while. he really wanted to do it because he wanted people to know who he was. i coach girls' softball in new jersey. we arethe hallmarks is, going to play in the sportsmanlike manner.

i hate showboating and yakking at people and yelling at people. portray the way we played the game with class. i don't like what richard sherman did. i don't like the sign he gave to the bench. whoso try to say myself, makes me the arbiter of all things sports and class? i wanted to let him speak for himself this season. that is what he has done in his column. >> he made the point that he has two-on-one -- has to have an element of showboating on the field. he has to do that to go up against the rest of the game. is a part ofat the game. >> here we are leading up to the game. richard sherman has dwarfed everything.

the vergening is on of winning another and bp -- mvp. >> richard sherman has been the dominant theme, the postgame tirade. they have taken on a life of their own. it has floored me, the shelf life of the story. >> how good do you think he was --? >> everybody knew he was a top cornerback. if he had never brought attention to himself, on twitter, the way he did last year. he told everybody he was better than darrelle revis. he has brought attention to himself. he played great. a guy that the --

understands marketing and looked at mohamed ali. if i'm going to be able to get what i believe i deserve, i have to show boat. >> he realized that. he is one i -- advantage over deion sanders, the big talking corner in recent nfl history. when he wase is young and growing up in los angeles, in a bad part of los angeles, he understood what the real downside to life was. his father was a gang member who got out of the gang at age 19. the gang members in his becausehood let him off he wanted to try to raise kids to be better and get out of the life. he understands better than

almost anybody the value of an education. his father has scared him into knowing, if you go where i go, there is no way out. >> he is defensive player and a fifth round draft pick. and yet his agent says he stands to make a million dollars in endorsements this off-season. ali whenered mohamed he was seven or eight years old. this is not an accident. this is savvy. >> let's talk about the other big player, he manning -- peyton manning. this is important to him for all the reasons i suggested. throw to richard sherman? >> i think what he will do is look at everything in a very non-egotistical way.

he will do everything based on the matchup that he sees. ,fifth wide receiver, is open, he will throw it to andre caldwell. peyton manning cares only about the matchup and doesn't care about showing richard sherman anything. manning?od is peyton >> he doesn't need to win to prove how good he is. again heard over and over and saygive this up that he has to prove himself. he is the greatest quarterback

to have played this game. i certainly think he is one of the three or four at greatest. >> arguably the greatest. i don't pick a super bowl will make the difference. but i think he wants a very bad. this is a chance,. ,. >> what skills put him there? >> it is his arduous labor to try to do things right and his intelligence. let me tell you a quick story. in the afc championship game?, said,, what player you really proud of? he brought up a six yard run by a fullback. he is proud of it because virgil green had played 48 games and never had a running play. he has played bill belichick a

thousand times. assumechick would never they would give the ball to a 285 tight end in the backfield who has never run the ball. he gave him the ball. there is one who couldn't have been on belichick's hit list. thought isont is -- i am not the vest physical quarterback in the nfl. but you are not going to be able to outthink me. you can beat me but you cannot outthink me. >> he thinks he is getting better and improving. you look at his numbers. >> nobody has ever had the season he has had. >> his numbers are more. >> is where you go, not how you get there. >> it says peyton maing

realizes that he does not have to throw the ball 50 yards down the field to be great. keynote -- right now, he knows -- offense -- best offense versus best defense. is that true? >> that is true. this is a historic offense for the denver broncos. the deed -- seahawks have had the vest defense. this is like the bills verse of the giants. the defense won. i think there have been seven or eight instances where the top

ranked defense played the top-ranked offense, and the defense has come out ahead. -- morexperience experience at super bowl events, the denver broncos. >> i think the quarterbacks are the ultimate emblem of that. you have peyton, one of the most experienced players. >and then you have russell wilson, a second-year player. 5'11" when you are told you have 2" to even be considered. a fascinating look at old-school versus new, fresh, young. more the future, cornerbacks are running? >> that is too easy a generalization. if god today would create a

he can both run and has a great arm. i think we've vastly overrated size and how great an army you have. look at russell wilson. he plays and crummy weather. weather.mmy he is on his way to being seattle possible successful quarterback in his second year. too often, we pigeonhole quarterbacks. think that what you have to do is take every case individually. there is more than one way to win at the québec position. >-- quarterback position. >> russell wilson would have was a top 10 pick if he this much taller.

that was the reason he went in the third round. >> how do you know that? because you just know football? >> everything is about measurements. when he was on the draft board, the discussion was almost solely about can he make up those two or three inches. changing. >> drew brees. >> one of the smartest guys is a guy named john schneider, the general manager of the seahawks. he's got it russell wilson -- scouted russell wilson. he said, you have to trust me on this. his competitiveness is unlike any quarterback i have ever seen. at that position, you have to ifso competitive and say,

i have to come in at 4:30 in the morning, i will come in at 4:30 in the morning. >> let's talk about the coaching matchup. fox versus carol. ago, the new york jets hired him and only gave him one year. one of the things he learned from that experience is very simple. you better be able to read the tea leaves about what your boss wants and the way you are communicating with your boss. his boss was a guy named leon hess. leon hess was kind of a reclusive guy for much of his life and right before he died. carroll learned,

you have to be able to communicate with your general manager and owner very well. owner another reclusive and paul allen. allen.auill >> how does he get along with his players? >> fantastic. >> he is high energy and young at heart >> . >> he is the oldest coach in the league. -- i went to 23 teams this year. theyi went to seattle, practiced that 10:00 a.m.. will practice. -- full practice. is the time they had five east coast games. not only his he practicing at he has 90 decibel music

playing. rap, country, rock. what i found very interesting about that. his players appreciate that. a lot of the players are the ones picking the music. >> tommy about running backs what should we watch me -- tell me about running backs. >> john fox is a players coach. he has the investment of his guys. his story is being overlooked, almost. this is a guy who missed a -- was of the season coaching from his other house in charlotte, north carolina. he has a genetic defect in his

heart. put it off because there was so much to do. he told me hew, thought he was dying. he made a full recovery and has come back to coach the team. there are a lot of players on the team who are invested in winning for him. >> you can go through every coach and player and find a reason everybody wants to win. bolan, champ bailey -- pat bowlen, champ bailey. but john fox is interesting. last year, the broncos were a number one team. they played the baltimore ravens. this year against san diego, confronted with the same situation, they let peyton

manning threw the ball. it helped propel them to where they are today. ish peyton manning, it passed to leave the game in his hands rather than being conservative. >> they learned from the baltimore game. he said everything since then has been informed by the game. fans and players love that. that makes a difference to people. >> running backs. >> we are all looking forward to seeing sean marino cry. he had a great moment during the national anthem -- this is the national anthem, and not waterworks came on. it was unbelievable. >> they need to see the replays. it is hard to imagine that so many tears could come out of one person's eyes. i do believe that the running backs, for all the talks about

richard sherman and peyton manning, the running backs decide the game. -- key to beating seattle and with denver, they have the quarterbacks to neutralize passing. see if you can run the football and beat them. maybe the team that runs better when the game. >> who think that will be? >> i think seattle might be the better team, but the broncos have a lot of mojo going right now. >> i think that having watched peyton manning a lot and having been around him a lot, i think he will be able to make enough heys in this game, even if does get a couple of big receivers taken away by a great secondary. he will just figure it out. smart. that

>> of course i mean seattle when. -- that means seattle will win. >> i would say we have a better chance of picking the lottery. these are two fantastic teams. it will probably come down to two minutes and three aplays. >> is that because you don't like to pick winners? >> i don't like this process. ugly. -- this process philosophically. that is what i love about stadiums. so why say that we will know what will happen here? >> coaches before a playoff game say, we match up well with this team. and then that team goes and loses. the coaches don't know what will

happen. >> when you talk to the players, what is the impact of the super bowl? get -- it brings out the vest of the vest. -- best of the best. peyton manning will play these games for about one 30th of what his regular salary for a game is. guys sacrifice things to get to this moment. there was a poll on espn about players who would knowingly play with a concussion. 85% would knowingly play with a concussion. i believe players feel like a concussion is going to go away in a week, so i'm not worried about it.

i would rather have a concussion and blow up my knee. >> this is everything that they work for their entire careers. when they are standing there and play in the national anthem and queen latifah is singing, this is what they have worked for their entire lives. to get to this day. >> this is the most watched event in television year after year in this country. we live in an increasingly fractured society. everybody has so many different interest. we comethe moment that together and had the same experience. that doesn't happen very often. >> thank you for coming. >> thank you. >> back in a moment. ♪

>> tim was not and is not a painter. i didn't know we had this obsession with for mere -- vemeer.

his project started back in 2002. picturewrote that when start to look less like this in thatlike this? doubt -- was because tools had found new -- that was because artists had found new tools. my guest is a texas-based inventor who believes he may have found the answer to help vermeer paint. here's the trailer for the film that chronicles his journey. >> sometimes, all i can dig about is trying to paint a vermeer. at the face of it, it seems impossible.

i'm not a painter. i'm a computer graphics guy. didn't know he had the subluxation with premier -- vermeer. >> i am looking at southern that comes out of a video camera. >there must be a way to get the colors accurate with mechanical means. mirror at up a small a 45 degree angle. you can see they match. holy cow. >> it took me about half an hour to learn how to operate a paint brush. >> good for you. it it took me 40 years. >> i feel a kinship with him. construct a replica of the room where he painted. the rug. the harpsichord. easy.ertainly is not

♪ ingenious.very >> that's where the painting is. buckingham palace. >> you become a machine. >> i'm proposing an alternate history of vermeer. >> oh my god. >> i think it might disturb a lot of people. i would find something else to do. now is thenow -- me silent half of penn and teller. i am pleased to have him at the table. and congratulations. >> penn and tim were having dinner. they are long-standing friends. tommy sabina has

nothing to do with show business -- tell me something that has nothing to do a show business. -- hed step right now said, stop right now. this has to be a movie. date pitched the movie to possible funders. if somebody says, i would like to make a movie about somebody making a painting. can paintay that i the painting myself perhaps as good as in some ways one of the great masters. >> sounds unlikely. >> nobody knew if it would work. >> you believed. >> i had done this limoneira experiment where i copied a photograph -- this preliminary experiment where i had copied a photograph. >> why did you want to direct,

? >> i thought this might have an effect on our history. house of in a artists. i am a magician. the 45 degree mirror is one of the principles of magic. tell me the story. i'm aas interested in -- computer graphics guy. i had seen the premieres in the museum -- vermeers in the museum. they speak to you. it is too good, inhumanly good. i realize what he was painting is really not possible. the eye does not see what he sees. it is what the camera sees but not what he sees.

there must have been a technique. he could have traced the colors, not just the shapes. >> what is the difference between the camera and your eye ? >> when you look at it white wall, we see it as a white wall. the camera sees it as infinite shades from off-white to almost black. >that is how vermeer painted it. you just can't see it. if you can't see it, you can paint it. -- can't paint it. >> so what did you do. >> i took a mirror. right at the edge, i can see these colors and compare them to each other. eyesis one thing our

are good at. i can go from one part of the painting to the other. it tells you instantly if it is right or wrong. >> the same principle as getting paint chips at the paint store. you know you have it right when you are holding it against the wall. with the help of the mirror. >> it is a simple idea but it works well. >> what has been the response of artists and curators? people who have spent a lifetime trying to understand vermeer or to be them? >> his history is a black hole. people right picnics about him -- write thick books about him. this flies in the face of that stuff. you expect it to be controversial. so far, people have been nice

about it. i expect there will be a lot of controversy. >> could you fool somebody who -- a serious art student? >> the closer you get, the easier it is to tell. -- to tell. i don't really know how to operate a paint brush. the brushstrokes in the vermeer are elegant. when you look at the brushstrokes with the microscope, his are elegant and minor hesitant. >> it was your first painting. >> i did a portrait of my father-in-law. i was copying a photograph. this was the first time i

painted in color from actual life. >> you think this might change what? when david hockney did his knowledge," he had all the principles right but didn't know how to get the tones and colors right. he suggested they use the camera obscura to project the image on the surface. itn you project the image, is easy to trace the shapes but impossible to trace the colors. tim is the missing link in the theory. i think people who said before that a bit hockney was speculating, they have to step back and say tim demonstrated it is possible. >> what if this had been with

you but not your hand? a great painter's hand? >> i suspect they would do a better job. >> how good a job? could paint the vermeer that would be interesting visible. -- indistinguishable. ifm interested in people -- it helps people learn to paint. an educational tool. >> take a look. this is you seen premieres in ermeers inseeing v person. >> a call that painting with light -- they called it painting with light. vermeer painted with light. what they are talking about is the quality that just pops.

you see it from across the room and it looks like a slide. a color slide or a kodachrome. ♪ seeing the vermeer's in person was a revelation. it reinforced that i was on the right track. that what i was seeing was an accurate representation of the color in that room. i just had a hunch that there must be a way to actually get the colors accurate with mechanical means. some way to do that in the 17th century. >> what is the journey been like for you? >> when you are doing a

documentary, and it was my first documentary, you have this massive undifferentiated experience. we went and fascinated with the premier technology -- vermeer technology. themore we looked into it, more re-realized it was a story about tim. he has such determination and intelligence that he can stick with it beyond what an ordinary person would do. >> you come from a hausa painters -- host of painters. -- and magic. we had the museum to ourselves. >> tell me about the vermeer and the queen. --we wanted to shoot>>

>> she has one. people burble. about it -- people quibble about it. >we kept contacting them and said, we would like to shoot here. are you with the bbc? are you independent? we couldn't get her mission. -- permission. finally we got a call and they said we could look. >> there must have been people lobbying for you. >> i don't know. >> they said, one of them is a magician. they said weeft, have some questions about the equipment. those goggles he was wearing.

were they some sort of james bond device? >it was fun. >> 30 minutes? >> it was so different than we expected. it was dazzling. so much more detail. the colors were different than the reproduction we had seen. when i saw that detail, i knew that my machine would not work. i was not seeing that in my apparatus. i had to redesign it. >> make it better. >> at something that was not there. >> this is -- talking about the greatness of vermeer. >> there are apparitions. if the paint is magic, his are the most magical. it is like they blew onto the campus by a divine breath of air. if you ever have a question as to whether vermeer was above his

contemporaries, a show like they had recently at the met with vermeer and all those people, if you look at the paintings across galleries, his were like they were lit from within. -- deoped would paint hock would paint individual ricks. -- bricks. but vermeer painted a situation that read like bricks. i know how pagans get made. made, and i get have no idea how he did it. >> if anybody should understand it, chuck close should. he makes beautiful photorealistic images. if you are an art student and saw vermeer, you would want to give up.

>> i can do that. >> exactly. it is beyond human capability. what was the speculation about this before you did it? there was always the camera obscura thing. about his greatness. >> i think people resort to vagueness. they say, he was a genius. >> beethoven or mozart. >> almost anybody -- any time somebody uses the word genius, i mistrust at. but they geniuses, also had technique and ways of getting at that as human beings. need the kind of work, you a mechanical aid or an alien with a kind of different way of seeing.

saying he's a genius is like saying he is an alien. >> we did this thing in 1996. curator and vermeer scholar. verydo know they were popular and recommended for artists and early 20 -- 17th century. the only way you can tell is by examining the paintings and seeing optical qualities. one of the qualities that you obsur a camera mascara -- cura is like if you had a photograph today and the foreground was not in focus.

that is exactly what you see in this painting. you see these very liquid strokes that sort of defined that feeling. exactly the qualities that a camera obscura would produce. >> explain this to me,. sees those photographic qualities. until i thought of the mirror, the strongest people he would look at an image on a screen and then turn answer to paint and be inspired by the look of that image -- turn and start to paint and be inspired by the look of the image. philip steadman did some interesting research. >> go ahead. >> he was an architect and

architecture professor. he assigned his students the task of looking at vermeer paintings in figuring out the dimensions of the room. thought -- find the eye.ment of the artist's now figure out the size of the lens. the six paintings exactly match all those other positions. he pretty much proved geometrically from the evidence the paintings that he was using at least a camera obscura. >> tell me one more time about the camera obscura. >> in latin, it means start room.-- darke

it projects like a video projector. a lot of people think you should be able to paint on top of the image. i ended up using the lens of a camera obscura, making a had to use but then two additional mirrors to make the thing work. mirrors projected that image into a second mirror. that was the trick. photograph.made that is what they are. then deciding your focus had to be temp a story, what else was challenging? story, what else was challenging? >> weaned it -- we need to know

how heart it is to paint over mirror. we need to understand the tools. all these things have to flow in the right sequence and not feel like school. we used things to do amusing illustrations of that. you. got emotional for >> i can explain what happened, other than it was a culmination of such a long and hard to assess. -- process. what happened before the scene -- i was being interviewed. she talked about the varnish and also. thesaid, have you taken opportunity to stand back and look at the painting? >> ice did back -- i stood back. all the effort washed over me.

i did what i set out to do. it was a great feeling. in retrospect, i'm glad i was in the right place and time to do the project, even though it was hard. >> how does it change your life? >> is too early to tell. i know i don't want to paint. >> you don't want to be a master forger. --i don't know, >> didn't create or stimulate a curiosity? >> i learned so much about the renaissance and the dutch golden age. now i am -- i have been doing all that research and i see this idea probably happened before vermeer. the painter knew premier

-- vermeer. >> he was blown up in the explosion. >> we make another documentary? >> if a subject like this comes thing is next directing the tempest. in boston. music by tomegas, waits and magic by me. >> penn and teller continue -- >> we play at the rio in las vegas and were. >-- we tour. >> where do you live? >> i live in vegas.

we are there pretty much year-round. we take a week off here or there and go over to england. >> how do you explain the enduring quality of penn and teller? >> we love what we do so much that we work more than we should. about aest is the story magician giving up magic, something i cannot conceive of. is the core of my being to do this. >> why did you become a painter? >> i don't know. i was almost a latin teacher. out --was a kid, magic cut hold of me. form,ght it was a low

regarded with contempt. i thought maybe i could do a little better with it. >> congratulations. you are breaking new ground. it is about something that has passed the test time. >> this is exciting as the movie goes out into the world. >> january 31. >> los angeles and the are quite hollywood. -- the arclight hollywood. >> tim's for mirror opens in opensd release -- vermeer in limited release on friday, 31.rally 31st -- january

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president of the united states will address the country, outline his agenda for the year and try to win the support of the nation in his second state of the union since reelection. good evening. i am trish regan. we have full team coverage of tonight's state of the union address. i am joined by al hunt and josh green here in new york. white house correspondent julianna goldman is with us from washington. al, i went to start with you. there were something special about a night like tonight. it is part of our tradition as a nation. >> the majesty of this venue is maic