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>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." >> was it easier on draft night? >> there are so many options. trading up and down. it is like --

>> we begin with paul allen. he is the cofounder of microsoft that made him millions of dollars. he has a very interest including neuroscience. he is the owner of the seattle seahawks. he is in new york where we talked to him this week about the chances where seattle seahawks to win the super bowl. what brought you to buying sports franchises? >> the trail blazers mom i was a fan of the supersonics. right after we moved microsoft to seattle, this was in 1978. they won the championship. every year, i would get tickets closer and closer to the court.

and it just became enthralled with basketball. and then i was on the board with someone who said it was for sale. after a process and negotiations, ok inc. the deal -- okaying the deal and various other things, we're able to reach an agreement. i ended up owning the team. that is my longest owned professional franchise. >> and then the seahawks? >> that was a matter of basically civic leaders coming and saying, look, the team is going to end up in los angeles unless somebody steps forward and want to take ownership of the team. i knew that the facility the team played in, we needed to have a new facility.

we made on a referendum. we had a very narrow vote. we were able to build a new facility. and my option to buy the team. owning any professional sports franchise is a real obligation to the community where the team plays. you have to try to deliver an exciting team, run the franchise the right way. you will have ups and downs. there's a bit of a feast and famine cycle. i have been fortunate that this will be my fourth chance to win a championship and a professional sports. that prospect is always amazing. >> he also have a soccer team. >> i am a maniacal minority owner of a team as well. >> you do not seem to own the

teams as a trophy. you do not seem to want the publicity. you lay back. >> that is right. there are people who are day to day running the franchises and those that really should be front and center explain what is happening with the team and with free agents and drafts and all that sort of thing. so i really, i choose a few times a year to talk about where i see the team going and express my philosophy which is all about getting the best people and the positions to make the decisions to do their jobs. and asking a lot of tough questions which is one of my favorite things. >> what are some the questions you are asking about the seahawks? >> when pete carroll came in as part of the new management team, really they had to do the whole roster.

there were a few players left from when they came in. we had a meeting. they showed me the roster. they said there is only a dozen of these guys that are our players. there was a whole roster change and free agency and drafting to complement the players you have. it was a long process. i cautioned them it would take a few years to get to where we are. coaches and general managers want to do it right away. they will love to the finals of the first year. exactly. the reality is it takes a while to install your philosophy. but how invited do you get? a certain level they pay you x amount of money for a player that is crucial.

>> sure. like when they were going to sign percy hervin or michael bennet or other key players. they will tell you about the players and show me some tape and walk through it. these are significant amounts of money. not just the cost of but the impact of what is what half your salary cap for a number of years. if you make a misstep, it will take your franchise back. unfortunately, they have worked out really well. >> what is philosophy that john and pete has put together that make the seahawks in the super bowl? >> both of them are out of the box thinkers. they like speed and in some cases like cornerbacks, receivers, larger players, faster players.

and -- in the case of russell wilson, they loved his skill. even though most people had ruled him out as a first round draft pick. if we did a draft today, he would be taken in the first around. they have the ability to think outside of the box. you have to have a golden sense of what is inside of a player and what will get them over the top. these are such an amazing, competitive sports. they saw that amoroso wilson and many of the players -- russell wilson and many of the players. >> was the satisfaction for you? >> it comes in a number of different levels. seeing how the community response and enjoys seeing the team victorious and supporting and especially in smaller markets. that comes in a unique way.

the 12th man. and with the mindset we have down there. that is really the warning -- see the fans embrace the team and in that way. behind the scenes, you get to know the people and the players and coaches and asking good questions. see it all come together and make a suggestion here or there. the satisfaction in doing that, too. in the early days, i try to memorize the statistics of every nba player. i am not quite that bad anymore. >> you have a mathematical approach to this?

>> i think all sports these days is becoming more analytical. the film, it showed that side of the game. it is much more detailed or you went -- detail oriented. that is a bit mathematical. >> when you bought the seahawks, did you say i have to do this for seattle because they already spent a week down in l.a.? >> i did feel that. and you know -- but, i only wanted to do it because i felt the team could be successful financially. a lot of the times especially in smaller markets, the teams can struggle and lose money and it is not that much fun. the worst-case scenario is you are looking at a team that underperforms and losing money and wondering why did you do it? this the flipside where the team is doing well.

this is the moment that every owner in the nfl love to be a part of. >> what role do your mother play? >> she was an enthusiastic sports fan. my father to me too many football games as a kid. outside and in the rain and we would eat our hotdogs. and pretty much smash mouth football back then. my mother really loved to go to the basketball games. would a flight to the games. one of the hallmarks was she would say to the referee, excuse me, sir, that was not a good call. they would give her a funny look. in fairness, she was -- that since it ties me to be observant about those things. -- sensitized me to be observant about those things. i feel the same way about my athletes.

>> care about them in which way? >> wanted to see them successful and make sure all the medical treatments and providing a path to success is there. there are people to help them deal with their issues. i think that is something that i do not know how many people should actually become sports owners unless they feel that way about their athletes. these sports are very physical and very intense. there will be ups and downs. just to be there. >> you wary about of the studies about concussions and what it is doing to players and how you can get ahead of that and what changes you can make? >> of course. we have to get a better understanding of all of the

ramifications of concussions and what the protocols are. the leak -- league stepped up and we are doing thorough assessments when something might be a concussion occurs and they go to the locker room and we assess and all of those things. we see some and justice of the rules to prevent -- an adjustment of the rules to prevent these. there are many things we do not understand like all is more perceptible? the problem is the brain is such a complex organ that and i know this from the research being done at the brain institute. it will take us a number of years to come to conclusions about these. i have people studying the brain to try and help out in that area.

but your mother had alzheimer's. >> yes. it is -- anybody who has had that in their family, that experience, it is truly horrific. and a very tough for everybody involved. and so, if you can potentially help bring forward treatment for alzheimer's or parkinson's or any of these things, that is a wonderful prospect. hopefully, out of the basic research at the brain institute, there will be treatments. >> let me go back to seattle. when you look at this team, what is it that you like? >> there are a number of things. we are a very young team. but the team that pete and john have built, again, it is about

speed and determination. and fearlessness and pete, he uniquely gives the players the ability to express themselves to be who they are. i think that is really a trend more and more and sports. today's players do much more of that you see that every everything from social network to the press coverage that you get on the sports channels. pete kind of uniquely celebrates that. and yet within a framework -- you have to have the discipline to take that energy and focus it on what you need to do every week to win a game. all of that comes together and heat makes it all fun. you see in the clubs and the locker room where pete is going to the contributions.

it is almost like a college level of enthusiasm and the locker room having been an owner and seeing previous coaches. >> were you surprised you could get him because he had a good thing at usc? >> i was. he had a good thing, the championship. he had the team prepared each week as if it were a championship game. not to get too high or too low. that is what is unique to have that level of expectations and studying at the same time. >> what might've been the conversation between pete and sherman? >> i think -- you know, richard sherman, in the moment, there was such excitement and full of the journal and after --

adrenaline after beating san francisco, you let loose. pete said you have to think about that moment and it could be a distraction for the team. celebrate the moment and i think richard has subsequently explained many times it was in the moment. that is not really me. do not judge him from that one moment. >> was a distraction for smart -- was it a distraction? >> there was so much coverage and i think it was just one moment. since people have gotten to know him sherman, i do not think it is a factor anymore. >> every time i look at a quote about him from you talk about intelligence.

>> richard is a stanford graduate and extremely bright. if you look at -- i think, in terms of study and film study and all of those things, if you think of all of the rules are against you as a defensive player, you have to study film and really think about the theory of only the rules in real-time to be able to anticipate. and people will tell you, it is not light richard is the fastest cornerback or anything else, it is intelligence. >> what is also interesting about him is when he was formally a wide receiver and

became a cornerback. and then he was not drafted in the first round. the second round. there seems to be a kind of intensity to believe in himself and everything is an expression of that. >> right. i think some players, especially once taken in a later round, they have a chip on their shoulders they want to go above and over, to prove that they belong. and sometimes, they accomplish wonderful things. i think in russell wilson's case, a lot of people do not see -- they thought he was a great college quarterback but they did not think he will be at the same level in the pros but he overcame that with studying and preparation and his talent. >> do you worry about the fact that the seahawks have done better at home than on the road for smart -- road? >> it was 6-2 on the road. >> or was it at home? >> i think 7-1. we only lost three games.

but the 12th man in seattle is uniquely powerful force on the football field which is any opposing player will tell you. but of course, the super bowl is played on neutral ground typically. that will not be a factor. >> what did you worry about? about the super bowl? >> in the super bowl? the broncos are a great team. they have a hall of fame quarterback and it has been an amazing year. he, on the field, he operates as a coach. he is single what the defense is doing -- seeing what the defense is doing and calling all be plays. his a uniquely talented individual.

the question is, all of these skills versus our top-rated defense. that will be a very, very interesting thing to watch. i think our offense has a chance to prove they can do more than people think they can do. that'll be very interesting to see. >> what questions are you going to ask the coaches question mark -- coaches? would you want to need to know? >> russell wilson. the preparation. he watched the drew brees. he watched every throw. i am sure that our coaches are dissecting every past that he made this year, every defense that worked against him.

hot we bring our best players -- how can we bring our best players to bear against the passing defense? they are a well-rounded team. on the offensive side, what are we going to do uniquely? you have to throw some -- you cannot just be conventional. you have to throw surprises. >> you want to know what the surprises might be? >> i do. i have to admit that i do. i usually talk to coach carol before every game. he has a couple ready to go. >> what were the best during this season? >> i am not sure i can remember a best one. not that long ago, they were going to run a sweep with percy and he has not been able to play in the games of this year. they ran it and picked up at nine yards.

there are all of those little details. football is such a detail oriented game compared to other sports. all of those little details can add up to make the difference. there are a few explosive plays that can change the whole outcome. in basketball, any particular basket may or may not be critical. >> will bill gates be watching the super bowl? >> he cannot make it. he is spending time with warren buffett. he will be watching and rooting us on. >> microsoft. they are looking for a ceo. why can't they find a ceo? >> obtusely, i know bill but i am not close to the board process. if you look at to be job running the microsoft, i used to tell steve ballmer, it is one of the toughest jobs.

you are completing was so many -- competing with so many different companies and products. a ceo has to decide if they can compete in so many areas where joe cool some the larger -- or juggle some of the largest investments. >> what would you recommend? >> i would have to get in there myself and give my advice on the outside. i think there will be some amount of simplification. but the argument is basically, if you are thinking about the future of the platforms, smartphones, laptops, or whatever, something like search widget google dominates right now. is it integral to what you want to do in the future or can you focus on other areas? those are really hard decisions.

>> bill said he would not leave the foundation and go back and run microsoft. is it a good idea or not a good idea for bill to return and run a microsoft? >> i think all of these roles are so challenging and i think bill is doing so much with the foundation to throw himself into running microsoft which is really one of those jobs that is almost 24 hours a day job, i think that is unlikely. >> it is his baby and your baby and it is hard to not want to see? >> right and that is why both of us, more so him and that me, we try to give the company advise. i tried to give steve ballmer advice on strategy. it is really hard to make those judgments and final assessments on let's you are the one running the ship. >> it is also argued with respect to microsoft that there

might be a lesson in terms of the way you run your sports franchise. it is better if you just simply give to the person you choose to run all of the latitude to run it and as long as bill is there, it is kind of on the board as steve is on the board. they are looking over the ceo's shoulder. >> that's a fine line you would have to walk if you are going to be more involved than atypical board member. i have no idea how that will play out. somebody of bill's stature, you will want to listen to their advice. they have decades of perspective on where the company is going and what of the competition is doing. you want to take that advice and

fold that into your thinking. at the end, you have to make some of these key decisions and have latitude. >> you talk about this in the book. what is the difference between you and bill? >> bill is -- bill focuses -- he has a laserlike ability to focus on a single problem. and kind of more an affinity for business related things especially in the early days than i did. i would spend my time about where is technology going and what is the future going to be like? i use as they follow the chips. wherever they are, we need to have products to take advantage. bill is more focused on the competitive side of things. bill is and steve ballmer, they are super competitive people. >> more competitive that you are?

>> i am thinking about the future. i want to crate and outcome. some people have competition in their blood. they thrive on being involved in a competitive business atmospheres i would say. >> you do not have that? >> no, i am as competitive as anybody in a sports stopped -- in sports. i am trying to communicate that some people when it comes to one-on-one competition, it is very much more focused. certain people like michael jordan, bill gates -- you must know others that have that level of competition. i am more of, i am competitive if i am in a competitive situation. i am thinking more about the future. >> any regrets to the life you have lived? >> everybody looks back and say i could've done these things differently and hired this

general manager over this or been in more bands. if you look back, you live your life as it unreels. all you can do is learn from those things and have a better life. >> where'd you put family, marriage, children? >> i would like to have children and a family but it is not happened yet. i am an eternal optimist. >> at this point, nothing would please you more than to see on your fourth try to win the ultimate championship of professional sports. >> that will be truly amazing and i would be so happy for everybody in the northwest that is followed the team and

everybody in the organization. the players. it would be a peak situation. you do not have that many peak experiences. chances for it and you talk to other owners, there are not that many chances to get to the super bowl. i was at the giants facility yesterday watching the team practice and they have the super bowl banners. experience in that myself is something i've dreamed about. >> thank you. great to see you. ♪ >> everything left is doing what one can do. you should feel a much more direct it. everything is suggestion. >> peter brook is here. one person wrote his theatrical mission is to wage a war on the habitual to take -- both mystery and enjoy. [laughter]

he has kept his rehearsals private. a new documentary from his son takes us into his process. here is the trailer. ♪ >> let's start with something simple. imagine an imaginary tightrope. ♪ the nature -- the reality of the rope is the basis. ok. ♪ the possible and impossible at the same time. people come together.

it is real, it is alive. it does not have one. balance is between going forward. at the same time, keeping all of the elements under control. more than anything else, under

strict, demanding, razor edge appetite. >> i am very pleased to have peter brook back at this table. welcome. why are you doing this? what are you teaching us? >> two simple things. teaching, i cannot except for one moment. i spent all of my school days fighting against teachers. and the whole of the work has been done. it is to share lessons evolve and adapt always to the moment we are living in. everyone, neither with an audience nor actors to be a fascist. an idea, a notion of anybody. something that is arrived, a shared interest and awakened. and then everybody can go home to draw their own conclusions.

seal or a play, -- a film or a play, there is no point unless there's something you take away, something you are sure about. something reopened. although the rest is not worth it. >> why are you doing it now? the film? >> the film, it seems to me all of the exercises we have done every year and toured with group of directors in a different countries like israel and south africa, such a different groups of people. one exercise suddenly arose which i had come back to. and as it was a teaching exercise and was not anything that could do any harm to people, take it and use it their own way.

the life is here to have the opportunity to make it, filmed by simon. the understanding. it could really do something, perhaps could be useful. there is only one criteria. life at any level, anything becomes happy to be doing or has done is if somebody comes back to you and said -- that help to me. and then you think it is worth it. >> exactly. i share that. tell me about, we saw the rope on the carpet. tell me about that. what is happening? >> you are right in the heart of theater.

and then there was the compelling strength of an actor's imagination which is not just not there. it is in every part of the body. that is my body exercises. part of the necessary development when acting. at that moment, the answer is so convinced of the tight rope that we are ready to go along with it. that is why this exercise is so demanding. he has to be faithful to that. if you carry it away and this was something that is coming up all of the time when we do this exercise, if one moment his foot which he is concentrating on putting his feet truly on the carpet and if it goes there, if he is honest. i stopped him and tell him to look. he will fall. again, to get going, all of

these, these little peace and have to wither away until you cannot really for a long time to develop very difficult things. an actor alone doing difficult acrobatics knowing that because it is theater, he can do dangerous things and there is no danger whatsoever. he did take us ordinary risks. he's up there on the tight rope. at the same time, he is honest enough if he makes a mistake to fall, this can develop through the next point. i could do was to actors and then three at the same time. and then the whole process begins because you have to be true to yourself and to where your feet are and where you're eyes are a your body's balance and listening to the others and interacting with the others. [laughter]

>> take a look at this clip. >> ♪ >> try to always keep the absolute -- come up the middle and kneel there. imagine you are genuinely kneeling there. the ceiling. the body, you are on a rope. without it being in danger. it is natural movement. yeah.

something that defies the feeling of the feet. the nature of the rope. a turn or a job. the reality of the rope is the basis. ok. continue. ♪ >> what did you think of that? you have said the following. "the particular gift of an actor is a certain link between the pure imagination and the body itself." what do you mean? >> pure imagination. it is something going on in the head. are all of the invisible -- through all of the invisible. it makes actors want to do this because they themselves at that moment feel not alive.

that is our goal. one of the many visionaries. when he was so young, he said, if it is only when i am acting that i still alive, is a tragic thing to say. one would hope that you feelalive and other things. it is a little pinpoint. a vision of what he is expanding. the expansion of being an actor can give short moments. an actor usually does not go beyond that to see how he can -- how he can develop himself so that he actually carries something of that into life. very rare. yes moments.

blissful times of great moments. better than he ever did when he goes home. to make the link that something is very rare. >> you say it is quintessential that an actor has a sense of time, at internal hourglass reminding that actor that every grain in that hourglass counts. >> you are quoting from my new book on shakespeare. this whole chapter, this is the only real difference i hope between everyday life and theater. theater is a mirror held up to life. the difference is in a great play like a quote king lear -- "king lear," it can be shared in a couple of hours.

what does it mean? everybody who goes to the theater knows, you cannot let the audience go. if you have an audience that will sit back and look at her program or pick up their cell phone, you know you have lost. every second, you have to have a within you this invisible hourglass. tick, tock. every tock wakes you up. this must be maintained and renewed whether playwriting or editing. it is common to cinema and film and television. one of the things i said about you charlie, one of the great pleasures about him being interviewed by you as 9/10 of the time he is looking at you a you can see going through his head what he is looking for.

is he going to long? what about my next question? looking at you, you can see a man and the moment. >> "king lear," i just saw frank langella. what is it about "king lear?" >> 2 total advanced masterpieces that advance all western writing. one is -- and the other is a king lear. for the same reasons. you have so many strands of life. you can take anything out of this, a good playwright can make a whole play.

the theme of power to stop absolute power. -- the theme of power, absolute power. when they feel it is the moment to announce the power. what it is? so rarely understood. i had eight may never set actors who played -- i had a magnificent actress who played the role from her point of view. the daughter who suddenly, dad comes to stay and moves it to the house with 100 drunken followers and the service come to her to complain saying we cannot go on like this. you can understand everybody's point of view.

it goes on and on through the shades of madness, necessity gradually loses. the king learning at the present to learn you have to go and be close to common people to realize the hypocrisy. i would not going to all of those things. >> go on, i am interested. >> shakespeare need a device to show the secret voice which makes lear a person. if you showed king lear as an old man, you destroy the whole play. if you see but then the tremendously popular tyrant that is a fine, sensitive, most small boy that is almost completely crushed in him. this voice is not completely submerged and shakespeare shows this.

not by having a voice like in a movie or doing monologues. you have the inner voice of lear telling him the truth which he is forced to recognize. he is angry. he encourages the full -- fool to go on and tell him the truth. >> is he mad at the beginning? >> to know. he is a man. that is why any attempt to play lear -- you would've missed the whole play. it's a strawman to follow -- it is a strong man to fall. he is at the top. he surprises every body by saying, time is up. i am retiring. he sees the shrewdest of politicians because he gives of his speech, 2 valid reasons that

only an experienced, resourceful, cunning statesman could do. he said is for future strife to be anointed now. future strife. as he withdraws, the republicans or the democrats, fighting, who is going to his place? he knows his daughters inside and out and their strengths and weaknesses and their husbands. thank god it is familiar. she will have as big a voice as something could all the time be a tight rope and rebalance. there's only the tragedy, it is only possible when the situation

arises when she refuses to play the game and make a flattering speech. you see the two daughters, they accept this is what is excepted. she is a revolutionary and she will not play the game. all of that could be harmless. if not for the fact he has such strength in him and passion and pride that he explodes. that is a tragic mistake. the play has to rush like an express train. >> what is the best keen glare you have ever saw -- king lear you have ever saw? >> you put me on the spot.

i say scoffield. >> you are not the only one to say it. he took liberty with text? >> on the academic rules about this or that. he knew all of that. he worked from the immediate sense coming up to the performance of the meaning. each night, it could change to put the stress on more of one word or less one word or where it came a much later. the rhythms were always on the move. his speech was totally within the first. -- verse. our friend peter hall was saying for him the best of speaking is like free jazz. the beat. the melody is free.

the trumpet can float over it. >> you also, it starts in a multicity tour in michigan. >> my close collaboration, working closely on every aspect. >> tell me briefly about it. >> the suit, if you remember, when we last talked. we spoke about the suit and the suit is very strange. somehow, when we did the first french version, we set it and south african realistically and that is the background. south african music of the time and so on. gradually in redoing it, the english version, we found that of course, the story of king lear, there has to be a concrete place where it is taking place to be interest and belief.

for once, we see it is universal. that is why within old the play itself, there is this line, it can only have taken place in countries, not just in south africa, countries under the iron fist of oppression that is to say that to be pressure on a young man in trying to make his way into the world with a young wife and feeling that he has to hold onto something. the pressure, the social pressure on him and those situations could make his mind go to real terrifying extremes that i hope neither you and i will ever experience. to conceive this punishment, for a moment, the small instability, the wife felt life at home was to closed and she wanted to breed a bit and have a bit of freedom.

he could've got over. they could've made it. in the conditions which relived -- which we lived and into whose mind came the story, when you are under such a terrible pressure, strange things. the invention of this punishment of her having to live day and night in bed at every table with the suit to remind her -- remind him to punish her that they have to take a walk on a sunday with the suit being carried by her is a terrifying and yet completely understandable if you put it today. in one of the many countries like syria today, the cruelty and misery of being in syria today. a husband and wife could not be the same.

>> it starts february 17 in ann arbor, michigan. the film you been seeing excerpts on. thank you, peter. >> thank you. >> peter brook. thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪

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