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have sandra to bullock and alfonso cuaron at this table together. he has been here before. buver with you. you.>> i am ok following him. >> showed it is part, did you say you loved it? did you say you are tired of working? >> i have nothing to offer. i don't evennow wht to begin to start talking myself into it. why? >> i wanto stay home. e.with my sweet little boy. that would be the child. life.not in a place in that was it. >> why did you wonder? why did humans this?

-- why did you insist?d yo >> we had a lovely chat. i called my partner. she is right, but she does not want to work. >> apparently she wanted to do it after the conversation. she did not let us know for a few days. suffer. say --up to bmc as they upped the ante, as they say. interesting as gameplaying might sound, there are other factors. you need to weigh them beforeghn journey. nethere was nothing about this journey that i can get a handle on and say, i know what this. i feel secure in this decision. factorsook they wanted to see if i can be ok with letting go of everything i knew. >> what factors did you look at? >> can you make the world -- a

son?rful world for my i cannot go here if i cannot be around him all dayim all day stp i need him to be a part of this journey. they guaranteed me that his would be right there with us. they would make an amazing, which they did. they turned a soundstage into a wonderful ways this for a childo learning how to walk. everything was bumper guarded. [laughter] he was a -and-a-half old. how to do this, will i be able to train for this? will i have the time to prepare? all of the answers were yes. >> it was an interesting incharacter for you to want toyo have it? it?>> once i knew that he would allow me a certain level of collaboration -- i did not expect collaboration to come from someone like alphonso.

you sign on and you let a tiny dictator ruled these. >> the benevolent dictator. >> that is better. the benevolent dictator. but it was not like that at all. not know ho null it l off if i did not have the ability to collaborate. there was nothing. i needed to know that he was ok and letting me stop and question answered for. -- and search for. >> my son and cowriter, we a earlier in his green card marriage we have composed a screenplay. that --ue in the sense in the screenplay that senator read, every single scene that

you see in the film, the way of taking the characters, that was open to interpretation. sandra was open to work to make sure every detail was going to work for the scene. >> whatthe theme of the film? theme of adversity, the theme of loneliness. >> i thought it was rebirth as well. >> the possibility of rebirth. the journey is a journey of adversity. theoal is rebirth. >> how long did >> howe you to make this vie? >> 4.5 years. >> how long of that with getting ge actors together? >> we had to develop the technology. we shot it, and then it was three years of putting everything together.

>> this is like nothing you have you have never thought about gravity much. .>> i do when i look at my face in the mirror and you see other parts of your pa. you think about it a lot. [laughtecome on.c >> only you would say thaou w >> i think about all the time. but i have not thought about how the body works and gravity. that is impressive. g ande body works in zero how it works and gravity. you have to unravel every impulse and reaction that you normally have in this environment. you have to train yourraou bodyo bend and move in new ways. wa the best piece of advice that i got from astronauts at the space station was, imagine is if you

are pushing and pulling against balloons. balloon --is like a that is what it feels like. when effort is made. if hit against something, you move forward. the minute you bump into something, you go backwards. you do not stop until you hit something else. your body spins out of control. as much as you fight it, the worst it gets. the little pieces of information that they gave me, i went while. -- "wow." >> this is a small, simple a intimate film. we will do it in one year. there will be some visual effects. but it was clear that it was not going to work that way. we need to find a way of making that work.

one of the principles that we discovered was trying to move the actors as little as sible. we wanted to move the universe around them. >> did you get used to that? [laughter] >> wow. >> reza prize? >> s surprised that you jumped on first. -- continue. take your time. she saw all of these led panels. >> we had this idea of experimenting with led lights. that was the point of departure. we combined it with what they used to build used >> at is happening here?

where theythe scene are literally filming it upside down. ouanother puppeteer below me. wow. it is the hardest movie you have ever made? he in the best way. yes. >> the most challenging, but the most exciting. >> exciting and rewarding. i was fighting it, but i had to use everything that was frustrating. everything that limited me. all those things that frustrated me, i figured out they were a benefit. it is the same thing that ss happening to the character and space. the loss of control, the loneliness the frustration. you stop fighting it and you embrace it. my fears another scene.

-- >> here is another scene. this is taking off the spacing. >> it was the toughest for you. >> you had to contort and hold the position while yousire balancing. the camera is moving in the background. it is moving and turning. all elements had to be in place. if anything was off, -- >> it was this point on the bicycle where she was sitting. she was putting all the weight. she had to move. she was floating. that was a tough one. >> it was also the one that everyone was leading up to -- that shot. you can feel the excitement and the attention of everyone in

intion. so many variables had to come together. when it did and it worked, it was absolutely silent. i thought i heard peoplelein -- crying. when it works, it was beautifulb >> that is onof those moments where we could not figure out how we were going to do it. >> he was orating to? >> a big chunk of that moment was going to fall on how he is -- how senator was going to make it look. she is supposed to be floating. there is a situation there. >> you have a career as a dancer. >> my love of dancing. i never would have made it is a dancer. i am not disciplined to get -- d sciplined enough. years, of dance, loveor

timing and rhythm and everything being musically motivated. when ked for me, it was like someone working oom the count. i could subconsciously figure out how to carry out these ceen rhythmically -- be seen -- scene rhythmically, like a dancer. once a rehearsed it, you did not think about it anymore. the lower hof your body operated separately and be emotional life. the mechanics of your body snded where they were supposed to land. >> suppose you re disciplined inedgh, would you like to bed me a dancer and mark >> absolutely. people go, really? -- when has always been i allowed myself today during -- to daydream, i express myself by

moving my body to music, not hang a word. my dream of being a dancer was realized. >> what is she going through? what is the transformation and ryan austin are -- what is the transformation in ryan? >> the only way to survive is to that is ything accident or memory of what life was like before. she is allowing her brain and her skills to propel her for life. everything is rhythryth ory. nothing in life has any mealing if she can id it. that has brought her to a situation where she is very good. send into space, i do not care. will execute when i need to execute and then go back to life. she is someone who does not care if she has a life for a few parishes. es.or if she perish

what kind of person is she at that point when she have to ve tdecide to take for life? does she take the opportunity and let go? or does she take the opportunity and let go and whater comes comes. gh might be worth fighting for formething. it is interesting to see when a omes to that crossroads, when they get what they wish for. you can make that choice michael life, and not fight for it anymore. >> was interesting to me is how you take somethinghing else to t ha that thing. in this case, being up there, acting helps her find what she might not have found otherwise. >> lifeinteresting that way. it does not give you anytht g yocannot handle. i do not like that. -- by that.

i believe if you are awake enough to find the reasoning behind something, the human amazing creature. it wants to fight. it cannot not fight for survival most of the time. what ist thing that happens when you give up that ignites the right amount of passion to at least try one more time before you truly give up? mes letting go is what you need to do. you have the ultimate gift in this movie. for those that have not seen it, i do not want to give it away, but it is the greatest gift another human beang can give one evening. it is so lovingly and selflessly done. if that does not ignite a spark life and look at your see the work of yourwork o life- then youof your life, are not going to get there. >> that is the spiritualritu reh

that we have been talking about. --is a> rebirth >> in the larger sense. not religious, but of oneself. b >> knowledge of oneseow adge he universe around yoiv >> the two of you wrote that. >> he was here. he is nichmeis nic [laughter] what did he say? [laughter] >> that was the point of departure. the funny thing is that before we talk about space and writing --s thing, we lked about we defined it was going to be a

bursary. -- adrsity. there was this image of an astronaut drifting into the void. image -- >> it is a perfect visual image. withouunding like a psychologist or a shrink -- >> are you licensed? [laughter] continue. >> 11 health. >> i have. i still need more, not by you, but by a professional with a license. >> when you described his character, have you met someone similar to it in your own life? >> knon wood that i should never experience what she has experienced.

we all get knocked about. if you have lived a good life, you will be knocked about. >> you have taken risks. >> getting up every day they risk. open your heart to people is a risk. will this guy be honest about the journey we are going on? wondering why i said yes to something i did not want to say yes to? >> how you answer those questions? >> why they say yes? initial we had the conversation, we spoke about adversity and what we wanted out of life is the more terms. fax what was the language? [laughter] >> you see what i got you to admit? >> it comes down to not knowing. we have absolutely no control over anyth once you admit that you have absolute control overol o anyth,

you are more into anything witht the bigger picture. and in sync with the it is easier said than dsier going back in and saying yes to an experience that scares the crap out of me. am i a bad mother? am i taking them to a place that wi not be good? are there he goes that will make you regret it? every single day i was surprised and moved and loved and cared for. i'm so glad i said yes. everyone gets knocked ae ge. also talk about this in terms of personal >> absolutely. i panic every time i have to make a big decision that forces me to be around peoplele and mae a big life decisions. i panic. anlet ity congrats

sit, it scares me for the right reasons, which is creatively, that is good.that i want to be around energy that -- you do not say yes. i didi d not see this as a lifes too short category. i sawihis as a way to ges over a lot of fears that i had. it wasest time i have had in a very long time, both personally and in a work environment. the - look loo for the same kind of experiences? >> i will never have this experience again. i will never have all theve elements come together. i want to fight for something that is different and challengingllenging and asked tt of me. i thought i had done that before, but never torehis degree. doing it to this degree, it taught me a lot about myself that i had no idea existed.

>> sandra is addicted to testing her limitations. >> addicted, or i just can no longer be afraid. i cannot let fear dictate. >> it might have in the pas but now -- wi-fi have to dive into that. i have to find out why i am so read . -- afraid of that. >> was this a transformative experience for you? >> 1000%. ase person i came out of this was not lately into it as. >> are you more understanding of what it is you should do to better appreciate the fullness of life? >> all of the above. confident,on more but i am very aware of my

shortcomings.sh they no longer paralyzed me. fearless, but i am excited about the things that scare me. i can at them from many sides, rather than letting them freeze up. >> you are madly in love with louis? does that change anything? >> everything. my whole career trajectory, i was given this amazing gift. it has opened doors. opened all the doors and now i know that i will probably not be able to take most of them because i choose to be a mom. i will choose to have my life revolved around louis. isn't that shocking for an actress? [laughter] i just want to say, before you "shocking!" [laughter] that is a familiar story amongst

people who have children. i've been so lucky at this white my wife. -- at thipoint in my life. i have something to live for and his life is more interesting than mine right now. >> all experiences are new. >> everythi is new, to him ans , tonew, >> does it make you wish that you have done this earlier? or did you do it at the exact right time? >> no. it happened that the exact right time. i honestly don't esink i understood the concept ofept j. >> really? i figure not know what it meant. onw it meant ontain in looking for joy every day, i go, what do i want out of life is to mark i want to get up and find joy. urse --f wars -- of co

>> that is because of louisiana's experience? --louis and this experience? >> all of it. what made me say yes? alfonso's path in life is exactly the same. or we are try>to sort out the same mysteries. we agreed on the theme of adversity and we want to accept those adversities. to fold very easily into our comfort zone, even if wezore going through hard times. we are a victwe of our own issues. life has its way to beg wp out of you -- to put you in your beating theg -- by crap out of you. if you are in your comfort zone,

life sentence -- >> yes. >> life can be full of the bursaries- aersities. you for coming again. a pleasure to see you. >> thank you for having us. >> you are quite wonderful. >> that i agree. >> can i get a clip of that? [laughter] that will last me. something hshappen. [laughter] >> thank you. back in a moment. .ay with us ♪

>> because we are now in the post-pc area, and i talk a lot , we were finally in an era where the applewhethod that in the beginning was going and talrior

success in a way that it had not been in the air a ready pc with king -- t mossberg and kara swisher are clear. they have a new venture, re/code . it is a site tit reimagines tech journalism. backpleased to have themd to at this table. welcome. how did this happen? >> we spent about a dozen years as you've just said doing all digital. conferences, websites. jones, the company that owns the wall street journal, allowed us to be autonomous entrepreneurial unit withiuria their. we made aad decision that we needed to have a different structure to see this thing

through to its fullest potential. that was be independent and dve our own company and raise build the thing further.ed to rther.>> you couldn't do that at comcast or summer? class we had to minority investors. i would also call the partners. one of them is that windsor media. terry was the head of warner bros. pictures and yahoo! for a while. >> the work of bob daly? >> correct. news newss --was nbc the head of that. did two of them are minority investors. we also have a partnership agreement with our journalists. >> you went to t>> yall street journal and said that you want to go out on your own. did they say no you can't do

that? we will make it so attractive that you cannot leave? >> we have never gotten an investment from dow jones. we have been profitable, we made money. we were doing while. there was never any investment. wn you are covering an industry and you think about growth and where you can go, it become me that owns you does not want to invest, but are ahappy just making money, itak becomes harder. we wanted to trading profits we were making fir equity.ing that was one of the issues. owey wanted to own 100%. ig to be fair, they might have wanted to own 80%. >> they want control. we were like the crazy cousins. we did really well. >> you attracted a lot of attention? >> we had a lot of interest. it was not comfortable for them.

it was not comfortable for us. >> it was inevitable. i have to sayhat it has pretty much been amicable. it has been mutual. we realize that it was time to part ways. companies,st media and ice being -- i thinkhink ths speaks well to the way nbc handle this, when there is a start saying, ey want to control it. unusual thatidered dow jones or news n corp. would have had a point of view. >> it was all amicable in the end? >> yeah. [laughter] as amicable as you can be in leaving news corp.. >> you took about half of their employees. >> they were not news corp. employees. they had been contractors working for us. >> that means they have to start all over? >> they have higher, ey their

credit. they allocate money and they have higher some fine tech reporters. >> it was separate. it was operated separately. we were started with in a long -- larger --tion. >> wh will you do? >> it was really long this year. >> three hours. ie reviewed price. d pricit sold outd in three ho. clients will be different from previous confereprevio the master is, so you know, good interviews and conversation. that is the foundation. we have some ideas for changes. this is an opportunity, and i know it soun hokey, to continue the kind of quality and approach t appre had. everybody we cover changes whate s whthey do every month, every x

months. that is the latest world works. we will do the same thing. this a kindmake t of clearinghouse for all information about technology? >> the technology you need togy know. i will give you example of something we have already done. we had visitors in business a month, but something we have our -- something we have party done that we were not able to do before is to hire reporters to technology.g-edge noas the normal stuff, b nor find that we were not coveringology,e before. if you do fantastic work. class a goes beyond just coverg -- >> it goes beyond just covering the mainstream instreattack.instre -- of tech.

we like to talk about technology and community. i am notnother area -- saying no one is writing about it, but we have not been doing that. >> you are not just going to this new venture, looking for a conference. you are looking for the latest information. >> trusted information. ou cannot trust everything. everywhere. what happened was these blogs have gotten better and better b. mainstream media has gotten less and less -- we have proven that a small group of people can have a massive influence just getting good at what they do. it is simple. last week, we announced annou tw head crosoft. >> how did you do that? >> because we are clever. i don't know. we are great reporters. our reviews are better because

we can do d reporting on the reviews. they are very rigorous. it is like reporting. people are dying for quality content. we are briing them a fresh ay, we are cognizant of mobile. we are very -- we move fast. >> let's talk about the broader picture. you are part of the idea of web journalism. , david coera klein going to yahoo!. -- pogue going to yahoo!. give me a sense of what it is about and what impact it will have on the connoisseur, th c consumer, as well as what impact have on mainstream media? >> let me start. we both have thoughts on this. the web itself. eli do not believe that friendss inevitably dead or that every

traditional broadcast outlet is necessarily dead. but the web is an anonymously dynamicnd important place p for journalism that is winning right now. that is one these things. that is amon factor in mo of these things. it is with first and web centric. there isecond thing th has to do with a combination of n journalism and on inertia. -- entrepreneurship. nate silver, or us, these are aople who puilt brands may have the opportunity to raise money for to get rtners who will fund their efrts and let them go off and do what they want. they do not need tootd be in a bigger structure. >> you do not mean this appliest to every dy?

you can go from one big place to another big plays. >> i do not know what the deal is there. as her will have real control. -- >> ezra will have real control. we see upending all day long. we are been -- destructive, but in a good way. it is not disruptive for the sake of being disruptive. murdoch, we hang out all the time. [laughter] all these get reporters? and i said, how do we? that is a good question. that is a very good question. , and why he is who he he was furious. how can he figure out how to do

it so he can do it? >> maybe he wanted to save money. >> he takes risks. we respect that. but what is he doing? >> he us. i know him from a knng time ago? >> she knows everybody. >> i do. he is trying to do a much more advocacy-based thing. that is where he wants to go. he feelst there is a real importance. he did one in hawaii. he talked about it to the l.a. times. is in a different zone. there is much more on the, moreo investi. he has so much money, and he is very int ested in that. >> using the pub>> usi not being served by mainstservedournalisme >> i admire that about him.

>> i remember a conversation we had about that. ,e had several dozen people some of them companies, some of them investors, wting to give ey or invest in us. we had to find a deal with was right for us. we did not think the advocacy grp -- route was right for us. we did not think having somebody having a controlling shareonn our new endeavor was right for us. >>here was a lot of investing in the space. >> venture capitalist? >> techcrunch. >> we know all about what aol is doing. they got rid of tax. -- patch. >> it is no longer.

>> we're talking about technolo and venture capitalists. they invest in thhecompany that we cover. they perfectly and sincerely want to invest and we thoughtan the conflict wouthe confligreat. capitalists, no? media capitalists, ye c >> if you invest in us and we mention you, we have to disclose e. transparency.that matters is >> venture capitalists are different. be sameot want to have issues as uber, for example. >> help me understand. i genuinely don't understand. if this is a venture capital deal for comcast -- we did t -- with another group b aause we

didn't want to deal with their venture arm. we did not want their money. change the way news is delireis >> do they have an equity interest? >> yes. >> here's the difference, charlie. e.any time we mentioned comcast for nbcc, even though comcast is not the investor,-- >> the e the investor. will disclose that they are a minority investor in the company. the differences, if we didn't deal with one or two of the big the deal- if we did with one or two of the big venture capitalist firms, the e of disclosures that we would have to make. its a question of degree.

want to point out that we are so old-fashioned that everyoned reporter on our siter siteit hak to their persotoethics statement. whatever might be relevant to the readers. >> what could go wrong? >> we have a record of profits. whathat's not what i mean. example, david carr wrote a piece. e.it gave the same kind of overview that we are talking about here. he is a friend of mine and a friend of the show. we love them. but he wrote about this. was involved in something similar. it was one of those things that happened often in the mediften being there too early. it is like this is the time.

exactly. xactlythey are all different. the one thing that is a little tlthe rotating is that every single one different. the wall street journal did a subscription onlyng. we're doing high-level stories. different from what we are doing and different from what he is doing. -- nate is doing. we have a successful track record of making money. >> it is the timing of the thing. >> it was too early. i suppose you could begin to have the t about too many of these brands -- brand journalists out there running these operations. do, andare hoping to least understood every investor

-- we extend this to every investor we have met at our current investors knowst this, e ee hoping not to make this the walt and kara show. we have a very talented staff. our staff produces a couple of conferences for us. team to beis wholethe producert trusted, -- they like it because they can be creative. >> 25 of them? >> something like that. person, andone believe me, they are enjoying themselves. >> let me go to some big stories. the microso story. why was tv choice?

operation? >> he has been there since 1992. he was a safe choice. it is a very difficult job. bringing in an outside ceo is too disruptive. they call it the slow dance. thatld not work. i sut that this guy t tht surprise p e. know you know microsoft well, but i with one quick thing about it. if you think about google, , the, facebac microsoft companies that have these platforms, microsoft is different. it has the feel. it has 130,000 people. peoplit is an industrit -sized operation stop is significantly bigger than google or apple. it has a strong market presence. , the sety complicated

of skills that you need to the ceo. you need someone with products-oriented, someone who can run a giant organization ana can move fast. >> is notng to all of a all ofsudden light on fire. >> they will announce that he ill be more involved? what does that mean? gaddafi is that the way isr micro in in 2008 and now he is coming back in. -- he stepped away from microsoft in 2008 and now he is coming back in.mi he has been active in philanthropy, but he wants to get back into the game. he had a lot of enerad a [lghter] >> facebook? >> the question for facebook is

that there is a whole modernization question that they are beginning to answer on mobile in icular. i think there is a broader question their of, what do they want to t? have a certain kind of social interaction there it has been very successful. there are some trends that they have t y about. young people do not spend a lot of time being active on there. >> beloved instagram. >> they always instagram. itself, i have some things to figure out. is a good problem to have.ro >> it is the ten-year anniversary. atrnet terms, that is like your 412 anniversary. >> what mn cheryl has done it unbelievableel -- what morgan cheryl have done is unbelievable. >> you think about apple today?

>> that is a good question. mossberg? >> you say that because? steve jobs used to call himusedt >> all the time. middle the night. apple observes two issues. you, that there. -- they have a wall street issue because they are very large now. i emember when they were hanging on by their fingernails. they had a quarter really sold a rerd number re iphones, a record number of ipads. incrinas a significant s a market where pc sales were ergoing down. for that quarter, they were rewarded with a 10% bump in their stock price. problem of wall street and other people. they have another problem, which years of steve

jobs, the became known for game changing innovations. they' re working on several, but soso far unde cook, the current ceo, they have not brought one out. i think this is the year when they have to bring out another game changer. tant,k they have the t and it leads me think that they're close. everyone is risk. jobs and gates together talked about that at her, friends - our conference. they are a company known for taking risks. in and they have not introduced anything, i would i wld think - >> they are in trouble. then you have google and google plots. +. google

> larry page is an interesting executive. him and jeff bezos. he is someone with such a curiosity. many interesting things that he is doing at the nexus of the internet of things, retail, social. talk about someone who is ever-changing. he's always thinking. one of the thing that we are lately is that we are iis t the era o edisons, henry .ord's these are the founders of this >> i do not even know they like each other. anything bad about the other one. they are both curators. bill gates wanted to change the world. wanted to change the world. rld.know this sounds corny.

ple do not want to change the world, they just wanted to your company, those people are not going to change the world. if you want to change the woro h you may fail, but if you are smart and patient and you want to make it better, but this is e right timing, but you want to go despite all the obstacles, those are the kind of people who will change the world. definitely larry. >> easy greek thinker. -- he is a great inker. r.-- thinker. ha i was ting of that great time ad. so much good uff that come out of that. you are required to come back to the table. >> all right. it isour contract. ract.>> thank you for joining u. se timse

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