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nations because the situation demands that the civilized world stand up and fight for those people who are the victims day-to-day of violence that comes from bonds dropped from helicopters and scud missiles fired from innocent civilians and the siege is being laid to over 250,000 people trapped get news. cannot here.f benn is the u.s. is reviewing its policy as the peace talks have stalled leaving thousands of syrian civilians to flee the country. representatives from iran and the six world powers hope to pave a path towards an agreement. secretary of state john kerry

plans to lay out his framework for an international movement building for the economic boycott. i'm pleased to have aluf benn back at the table to talk about these issues and more. welcome. that's a mouthful. you said four things have happened in the last year that are worthy of us taking a snapshot of. surprises, things that we were not anticipating. moderate the more space of iran and the efforts of reaching after the years of disconnect and adversity. then we have the deal with syria which, in fact, was keep in us and power over whatever part of the country it is controlling in returns for chemical weapons. it was totally unexpected. then we have the new call for

sanctions of israeli settlements of developed into a new conversation about boycotting ofisrael after the death nelson mandela. that was in the far fringe of the margins of the conversations just one year ago. last but not least, we have an american secretary of state full of energy which the israeli calls with aefense messianic obsession. >> that may be what it takes. >> clearly, the energy and effort that secretary kerry has put into this issue is something that we have not seen for 14 years at least. >> 14 years. >> camp david with bill clinton was july 2 thousand, almost 14 years. >> is he making any progress? >> up the issue on the table after at least, from the israeli

standpoint, most people were ise this is over and this some old idea from the past that is dead and gone. clearly, it is putting a lot of ministeron the prime and his coalition because you have right wing parties and right wing members of netanyahu's party who don't really like the idea of giving away territory to a future palestinian state. that once again re-created the conversation in israel if we should do that, under what conditions? is carry serious, and now that we know, how would they respond to this framework cap g? >> can he create conditions to put more pressure on us? >> would lead to something beyond a new american document? as we say in israel, we've been

in this movie before. it is the sequel of a sequel of a sequel of another american verysal, a document with little effect. >> are you saying it has the feel of something different now because of his energy with so many balls in the area? >> because of the energy but energy is not enough. the new form through the boycott movement that were not there before. >> it is taken seriously now? >> more than ever before. through the changes in the , across the border thousands of people are being , across theria other border. there has been ongoing political turmoil for the last three years. the disconnect

across the border but the middle east is changing. what should the part the and that? fortress andt be a try to isolate israel from whatever is happening across the region or should israel be more of? proactive? they did a better job of keeping world, nownow in the we have to play a part reaching with the palestinians. that?ey able to do that is the big question of israeli politics today. more likely now? other than he got the conversation going when everyone was just willing to say they would move on, is there now because you feel a little bit of --

>> prime minister netanyahu enjoys unbelievable political .ower >> that is the strong coalition he has? >> if it collapses under the strain of an american peace proposal, he has an alternative coalition ready to go. the parties are more than ready to get into a place, the right wingers. netanyahu holds all the cards. whatever deal he would bring to the israeli public, they would accept. >> is that right? >> if he puts it down the israeli public will accept it? >> because of his experience. people see him as the only reliable candidate to be the prime minister. >> that is something they used to say about sharon.

>> he had been far rate for many years. once he took office he was a father figure. netanyahu won reelection never by a landslide. he always relied on a coalition of those who wanted to change the elite to reform israeli society and a coalition of the ak. he is seen as irreplaceable because there is no one there to replace him. there is no contender either within his party, the coalition, or the opposition. with that unbelievable political deal, he could bring any to the table. >> therefore the question -- what does netanyahu wants? that is the big question of israeli politics and it's been that way for the past five years. returning toafter

power and for the first time uttered the words palestinian state. people are still asking themselves if he was serious. is this something that netanyahu is saying just to appease president obama, global public opinion, or even public opinion at home? does he really mean it? timid iny, very putting that out. >> is netanyahu primarily interested in maintaining his hisr or how he can use power to leave a legacy for the state of israel that will make it secure? >> that's a big question. clearly, netanyahu has shown remarkable success, the second longest serving leader that

the founder ofr israel. that's not enough. netanyahu is ambiguous. one day, you hear him saying that israel should not be a binational state that has to deal with over 2 million palestinians in the west right. let's give them political rights and not be in charge of them and occupy them. the next day he's saying that all of the critics of israel are anti-semites and they should and planningelves to create another one. it is very difficult. >> here you are. you come to this table one of analyst and you are saying you do not know exactly what the prime minister is prepared to do.

how he evaluates what the equation is for him. >> we have not seen the american plan yet. but we have not seen the american plan meaning we don't know what john kerry is offering to all of the parties. >> we have yet to see the ideas, namework, paper, whatever you would call it. can clearlything we see about netanyahu and that has been his modus operandi since taking office. he makes a decision only fa last possible moment. only when he can show to his support base that he had to do it under pressure, that there was no other way. for example, when he exchanged 1000 terrorists for one israeli soldier kidnapped by hamas, it

was against everything netanyahu preached for his entire career but he did it. it as if there was no other choice and the same happened with other controversial decisions taken over the years. if i judge netanyahu right, the only way for him to move forward with a john kerry plan would be to show that the alternative would be worse for israel security, israel foreign relations, and so on. >> do you believe that? you write an opinion column. will it be worse if he does not somehow reach some kind of agreement? >> they have the option of rejecting the plan outright. i do not think they have the option either.

"yes,l both try to say but" and they will put the blame on the other side for having the bigger "but" and tehe smaller "yes." they must take it and pushing forward. the devil is in the details and the ongoing talks. clearly, i don't think israel has a choice. becoming moree and more real last time goes by. is only way out for israel not to call its critics anti-semites. this will only get you so far. the only way to fight is by changing your policy and by making peace with the palestinians. >> those negotiations are going on and he never misses an iran isity to say that

using these talks to their own advantage. >> you know, everyone uses these talks to their advantage. saying the very indians are using the talks to fool the west -- saying that the iranians are using these talks to preserve the nuclear capabilities for the eventual breakout and not be more than one very short step towards reaching nuclear capability. crexendo the same time bring up capacity. clicked the other weaponization component and not only that, receive extra legitimacy that it did not have. they hadt whatever with the legitimacy they are having now. clicked he thinks the west is

ksing have -- >> he thing the west is being had? >> he has all of these analogies about the 1930's and that the west is appeasing around because it has become too costly. is given carte blanche. >> and there are reasons to believe that in terms of how the president sees our involvement in afghanistan, iraq. >> not only that -- >> syria, something that they are refusing -- >> the issue of an israeli attack on iran is now off the table.

there is the interim agreement and there's very little they can do beyond raising the flag and raising the flag to be aware of the arminians, their intentions, their behavior. iranians.e of the the things that are happening there, the islamic fundamentalists going there to learn and fight as well as to .ake back >> in a complicated middle east environment, there is a new thread which are the sunni radicals part of the syrian rebels and part of the terrorist groups firing rockets and they just blasted a bus of tourists

on the israeli border crossing from egypt. of iran and enemies syria. both of them are the enemies of israel. the entire landscape is far more complicated than it was three or four years ago when the regime appeared like a force of nature. it is far more difficult to navigate in that environment. >> how do you think syria will end by not ending? >> we have the example across the border in iraq. clearly these two donations created by the british and french in the first world war, we are just about to cross the 100th anniversary of the agreement delineating the middle east as it is today. it is collapsing. all of these artificial colonialismeated by

are collapsing. it's very difficult to see syria , or iraq for that matter, rebuilding as a unified state. they are changing the landscape in jordan and lebanon. >> what impact do you think it will happen jordan? jordanian the government has been able to the refugees. the fears of the turmoil in the the uncertainty american policy bringing them closer to israel than they were in several years. and the emirates as well. >> there are the fears. >> how do you address the sunni-shia split?

you have iran supporting the government of assad, as hezbollah is. -- are wen yet a looking at a conflict that could explode in the middle east and be trans-boarder? >> that's what's happening. clicked the refugees are one example. >> they're coming across to fight on one side or the other. >> it is the main battleground and it could move on. they have been going on for hundreds of years. worse today to me. >> the central government has have veryand they limited influence on whatever is happening in these places. in the see that changing

near future. is no external regional power that can just call everyone to order. >> the russians are playing a role again. >> the russians are playing a role again mainly as the backers still it is far away from what we remember of the previous russians. >> the soviet union and the cold war. >> two superpowers. it is one place where russia could flex their muscle. >> some like to speculate, like a argue that food and has bigger and better strategy than the united states. you see that -- some like to

argue that putin has a bigger and better strategy. do you see that? >> i think he is exploiting openings and a vacuum left from iraq.treat from the n american reluctance to get into trouble in syria. >> do you fear that it is not al qaeda but al qaeda affiliated jihadists are somehow becoming more powerful than al qaeda ever was? al qaeda 20 years ago had less control of the ground in the middle east. it's the first time that we see groups, whatever name you want to call them, affiliated at the heart of the .iddle east

to our intelligence, it is a new headache. compare it to the days where you had to deal with the governments, career armies, tanks, and aircraft. now it is a very loose coalition of people willing to fight you. >> do israelis trust president obama? >> it's a tough question. onmade a very bad mark israelis when he refrain from visiting israel. he just took office and came to rkey, andyad, tu skipped israel. it seemed as if he was trying to foreign policy because there is too much association with israel and it was not good for american policy. he came to visit after the

election and he gave a very good speech in jerusalem which was with thefully balanced one towards the other half of israelis. the right wing, the left-wing. then, there is some uncertainty about obama. >> i think it came at the time when he pulled back because it was moments from an attack. >> even in the john kerry ission, obama and the state leading from behind. he sends john kerry to the front line and we do not really know to what extent he would back john when this proposal comes forward and they need to talk about the real tough issues. will he be as involved as bill clinton was? or will he just send an john

kerry and weight to see if he succeeds or fails? it would not be obama's failure. once again, he is more distant and it would be interesting to watch the meeting with netanyahu in the white house. >> thank you for coming. always great to see you. of the wisest men who writes about politics in israel and certainly on national security policy. we are back in a moment. stay with us. ♪

me were going to be real and that we were not going to fake it. >> i'm being real now. this is who i am. englishy did you do in accent after that? >> i'm sorry i did not tell you in the stall. i created edith because i needed her to survive. >> "american hustle" the latest

movie by david o. russell on a smalltime con artist that helps the fbi snagged bigger fish loose loop based on the a fscam scandal. here's the trailer for "american hustle." >> i believe he should treat people the way you want to be treated. always take a favor over money. i think jesus said that as well. [laughter] >> my idea. i'm running the show. on the quarterback. i'm not going to settle. he was not necessarily in good shape and he has this come over that was a rather elaborate but he had this confidence that drew me to him.

>> my father taught me to believe that all people are good if you are good to all people. >> life is ridiculous and you know i would never say anything bad about your father in front of you but he is sick. don't repeat that. but yeah. >> lay your part. >> you play yours. you have to find a way to survive and you knew your choices were bad but you had to survive. >> we were so successful for so long because we kept it just small enough. >> how come you ended up in this room right now taking orders from me? $75,000 in this briefcase.

were going to get it right, aren't we? that's right! >> we got to get it over on all these guys. that's what we need to be thinking about right now. we've got to get it over on all these guys. joining me now, director and bradleysell cooper. i'm pleased to have them both back at the table. let's talk about this movie, "american hustle." when they brought it to you, it was already a script? >> yes. >> ben affleck had looked at it and had another commitment.

a terrific director but he decided to make a picture named "argo." i don't know what happened to it. i think it did pretty well. >> i think it got an oscar. [laughter] it's terrific. i've known that producer since "three kings." i'm looking for amazing characters, charlie, characters that are dubious and i make the story background and the people and their emotions in the foreground. >> is not the nuts and bolts of the scandal but these people and their relationships. whatever connection it has to the truth, then there it is. the reality of their lives? >> my last picture, "silver linings playbook" was based on a novel. >> these three movies you have

made some say are all about revival, rebirth, something like that. do you see that seem? -- see that theme? backhad to help my son get on his feet. he's bipolar. instinctck coming from from the feet up, not from the ears up. you come from deep down and you tell the story about people i suddenly saw before my eyes that makes for amazing cinema. it was "the fighter.," "silver linings playbook," and this. shatteredn has been and laid low. i love watching people pick himself back up. i love what they live for. the music they love, which is duke ellington. >> you write for actors.

are you writing after you select your actors or before? same time.the it started with this movie. i was in christian bale's lawrence, amyifer adams. then you have to weave a tapestry that can shine for all five and it's a lot to do to make a story that propels all of these characters. >> sounds like you director right like to work with. >> didn't you make his career? >> yes. >> no. >> it allowed me to meet this man, number one, and develop a relationship which is the most important thing that it did. >> relationship of what? >> love and friendship. then miraculously that parlayed from the creative relationship

that we just found each other to be like-minded in so many ways with a real love for cinema. david often talks about cinema saving his life and i can attest to that. our backgrounds are similar. you meet somebody along your journey and it happens to be one of the best directors ever, then you are that much luckier. thisw do you see character? >> he's a petulant child, 15 years old, and wants desperately to be a man. hesee these characters and gets caught up in this world that he does not have the tools to deal with the very high ambitions he has which is to takingly glorify the fbi down white-collar crime indicates the better of him. he goes from innocence to wisdom which is a direct reflection, and inverse reflection, of christian's character who does the opposite.

>> how was it working next to louis c.k.? another genius. it was a stroke of genius. >> it was massive to have these two together based on a real midwestern character, an fbi supervisor, and they were outer borough agents who were wild and it was all true. the chemistry to me was electric. we came up with the fishing story -- i used to ice fish. >> you never know. you sit across the room from somebody and you know right away. it's a very intense environment and you have to let it all go, have no ego, and be willing to go. he comes with a lot of power. and at the top of his game he came in utterly willing to play ball. he was wonderful. >> roll tape. >> i have nothing but the utmost

respect for you as my mentor. >> what are you doing? >> i just want to talk my heart out. i just want to be vulnerable. i respect you. >> i think you do other things besides respect me. >> hey. what are you doing? >> it's hard for me to control my passion. i'm a very passionate person. >> egos icefishing in the u.s.. >> i was told to you in confidence. >> he's a nice fishing guide. look at him. don't do something you don't know anything about. i'm not can hit you. [laughter] he is good, isn't he? >> i love surprising audiences. they think they know who he is and they come in and you feel

them be unsettled because that's not who they think he is. he has such a deep well of talent and desire that he's going to keep surprising us. he transformed in this picture. he became a transformational actor where it's almost hard to recognize him at times which is fantastic. >> does he do a lot of directing? what does he have with doctors - - actors? >> he directs you and to this place. >> he pose you to where he is. >> he walks with you and allows you to feel like you walk through the door first but always is there and make sure you will push yourself beyond places you ever thought you could go and you watch every single actor. there is no simple scene. you cannot lay back on your laurels and thinks we will get through this in a couple of takes. everything is high-stakes life or death. let's find a comedy.

let's find the cinematic magic. he never settles. .> we've seen bradley we've seen louis c.k. what about christian bale? why did you see him as irving? actors a very singular who is super transformational, which i think bradley is becoming. christian did it and "the fighter." >> you become unrecognizable. you look at a movie like "the machinist." and they don't know if it's him. showmanship, storytelling, cinema. it's exhilarating. over to therself movies world and forget your preconceptions. you walk out exhilarated. it's like taking a pill so you can reframe your brain and that

is how movies have helped me in my life. >> how have movies help you in your life? >> it is like mythology. you go into a theater, a temple of storytelling, where you watch it at home and you have to leave what is in your head out the door and you get lost in this world. intenselyu to feel so and emotionally that it's over before you know it and you are moved and you have to go back and think about it that you feel exhilarated. you feel alive. you look at it a bit through the movies eyes. i did that with my favorite cinema whether it was frank .apra, roman polanski, scorsese you live in them for days. you think about them and it frames life for you a little bit. many things can do that. art can do that. create good roles for women.

>> they have become napalm for me starting with "the fighter" and melissa leo. unrecognizable with that hair. sisters," amy adams and then jennifer lawrence and "silver linings playbook" and "american hustle." >> these are great women. >> powerful women. women who can clean your clock and away you never see coming. they can surprise you. as irving says to jennifer, she was the picasso of passive aggressive karate. [laughter] from the glamour to the rawness. i said i want to see you as rock, glamour, -- as raw,

you.urous as i've seen >> you have a cadre of gray doctors and they are almost pushing for attention -- cadre of great actors. it moves so fast. >> it is operatic. >> i'm kidding you. >> i will go toe to toe with the operatic. what i mean by that is we are saysng -- christian bale everyone has an opera in them every day. we put it in film and we are picking the highest moments of their life, the most intense moments in their marriage, love affair, romance, criminal story, resurrection. want themacter, you to have a big scene. i don't want them to leave it off the set. i want them to do it all. that's what i love about

watching a movie. the task is to do it in a believable way, a real way that is grounded. that's the thrill for all of us because he will never settle unless he believes it's actually happening in front of the film. >> you have to believe what's happening. >> yes. >> or nobody does. >> tell me what happens to richie and what he was going through. he's kind of fallen in love. >> he did not see that coming. he signed line -- it sidelined him. you are 15 and you want to hang out with the older kids and want to get there, it's so overwhelming. he does not know where to stand in the bottom falls out from under him. when he thinks he can handle, he cannot. he starts telling edith, amy adams character, this is the time. i love you. shekisses him back and

actually tells him something real for the first time in the movie. her name is sydney and she's from albuquerque. he does not have the tools to handle that. so what does he say? >> he says, "you're freaking me out." me?re you here with >> i love you. it is real now. i just said it. so now's the time. look at me. i love you. i love you. now you say it back. >> you want the truth? you want real?

>> i'm ready for real. >> is the truth. this is real. this is a real. once you hear it is real. this is me. >> are you doing an accent, an american accent? >> there is no english. it's only american. >> what are you talking about? stop it. you are edith. >> i falsified my records back to birth. i falsified them. sydney and i'm from albuquerque, new mexico. i'm not edith. there is no edith. freaking me out. >> all right, both of you

explain the scene. know she has a british storyline in part of the scam she has developed. but here, he is feeling it. i love you. what did you, as the director, want to achieve? >> it's an interesting example of how he works. take him through the whole thing. the films a moment in where she has to make a turn. is she conning him? does she really have feeling or is it part of the hustle? in the moment it is not part of the hustle so what has to happen for her to be real? we sat and talked about it so we had to make her really believe that there is a man in front of her telling her the truth. >> so she could tell the truth. >> and that was the last take.

on howdid not get it many takes before that he >> it was not about takes but the exploration. >> you feel like something is missing until i say, "tell her you love her. really tell her. like a man." that was him as a man saying it did not go -- now it goes. he said it five times. i'm in love with you. look at me. i'm in love with you. >> she buckled and she melted. and then she reveals herself. she's going to be honest. >> what's his reaction to that? >> multiple things. you feel disoriented. she is so much stronger and smarter and you cannot step up and go, that's amazing. i still love you. first of all, you're smarter than me and i don't like it. i'm confused.

you told me before we were being honest. he cannot take what's right in front of him. minute, everything that happened at studio 54 is not real. now i'm scared. like she was ready on that moment so it's bad timing. for me it's about the fragility of the moment. us construct an identity that we must reckon with and change. >> that brings me back to your son being defined as bipolar. for did you go through eight years? there was a lot of self-doubt. thinking things and fear. >> fear of? performing in

major league baseball. it's a high-intensity arena to make cinema that matters and that people can relate to. i started to go sideways a little bit. that nevere movies got made, movies that were not true to my core. aronofsky greeted me and said, look what happened to you. i got i head out of my. it can happen to anyone at any time out of their life. a humbling realization to say you're never going back there and you will mean it from the heart. that's what happened to me. vinceg movies, one with vaughn that never got made. you think you cannot go anywhere . gore's a satire with al

daughter that was not even completed due to money shutdowns. we had nothing to do with it. be anynk it cannot worse. you come back really grateful. if you want this job, show me a really mean it. it's like "it's a wonderful life." i'm ready to live. give me another chance. >> did god say i love you. i love you. i really love you? [laughter] >> that's beautiful. i want god to say that to me every day. i say that the him. if you want to get deep about it . people are saying you are saying you're getting so spiritual on charlie rose but i'm not ashamed of it. nothing. that was funny. [laughter] that's television. god bless you. >> you changed the ending of it

for one of the characters. said she lives because she has come to be an interesting character. >> reinvention is the theme that interests me more. >> i watched the video his what an made and told me great man he was. his grandson made a video that is good for land heartbreaking. in real life, when he's an old man. like somebody in new jersey told me. i'm curious. >> chris matthews knows all those guys. it's one of him and those beautiful things. >> they put him in prison. that's love, isn't it? >> unfortunately. they felt great heartbreak about

it. you're asking me about the women and the transformation. wife of irving, many people did transform. her character struggled for a few years in real life and had an unstable ending and i've known people who have committed suicide. >> did you think about suicide? >> yes, yes i have. i remember the beginning of my career when i was first starting tell stories. i was living at home at 25. i called some guy from my high school and he said it was really bad and he handed me my butt. it was terrible. it means you can look anybody in the eye and say just have a nice to somemeal and listen duke ellington. jennifer is such a spirit of life.

they were going to do the rope and everything for her. it just felt wrong. >> tell me how you've seen him grow as an actor. to me. exciting i've seen it with amy adams, jennifer lawrence, all of the people. it's just very exciting to see someone, look in their eyes, see their soulfulness and know that they are fearless. together, make it real, take chances. christian bale says we love what some people would call the behavior that we both love. we both talk about it endlessly and to see him transform and dial into emotions and hairpin turns of a character, you have a clip year where he does a hairpin turn that i just see his agility and his realness blossoming. fluorescence? the

i thought it would be better for you. people hang themselves but you are too smart for that. where's the table and chairs. there is no bed here? is everybody off today? jesus christ. maybe i wanted to scare you. debut was my idea. i'm a little off the beaten path. who you are is who you are between you and god. that's what matters. that's what i'm about. tell me you didn't feel it the first time we saw each other. am i crazy? i don't think so. i'm not supposed to be talking like this but i don't care about the rules. edith, i want to help you. i like you. i like you. i like you. >> is this the best time of your life? >> yes. >> because you get the opportunity to do the things

that you are trained to do, things that you love, work with people you admire? >> yes. >> what have you done that enables you to be in this place? willing to get out there, do roles and work, work, work>? >> i don't know, charlie. i cannot really believe the reality of my life lately. i don't know. i really don't know the answer to that. i know that i feel very happy that i'm comfortable in this place. i'm comfortable when a man like this asks me to go on a journey with him and i say i would give him everything i have. i feel like i can do that. that's a really calming feeling to be able to enter into these situations with a steady heart. it's wonderful as opposed to feeling something else. i truly don't know, you know? it.st want to enjoy

>> absolutely. >> i want to enjoy being here with you and that's it. keep it simple. >> great to see you. >> pleasure and an honor. ati wish you much success the oscars. thank you for joining us. ♪

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