>> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> i was persuaded that you were willing to take on the hard issues of our time at a very difficult moment in our nation's history.

spanning the difference between two very different centuries, the 21st century and the 20th century. >> general james jones is here, he's a retired four star general, former national security advisor to president obama, also served in the supreme allied command at the nato forces in europe, a lifetime of goment service he has turned his attention the private sector. he's the founder and president of jones group international. i'm pleased to have him back at this table, welcome. >> thank you, charlie. good to see you. >> i want to talk about energy this morning which is a passion of yours and one of the things that face this country. but first because you were head of nato and national security advisor to the president, we're looking at ukraine and seeing what? >> well, critical moment for sure and unfortunately has some tinges of an area we thought was -- era we thought was long gone and that's the cold war just because of the players.

you mentioned i was in nato and one of the two councils we had in nato in 2006 was the nato ukraine council and russia council, and they were there friends. we brought in most of the former soviet block countries and there was no question that the current president in russia is not a fan of that. as a matter fact, we're treated to to his view of the world since 1945. it certainly is different history than you and i would recall. >> what is his vew? >> nato is the evil incarnate, the world would be better off if it was still a bi-polar world and goes downhill from that. >> the thing he hated the most is the expansion of nato on his board. >> he took that very personal. >> what we have here though, i

mean clearly a government that's some question about how corrupt they might be from previous experiences as well as this. >> sure. >> a question of a decision they had to make with respect to a lot of their citizens wanting them to have a relationship with the european union and all that. and then at the same time, president putin wanting them to have a close relationship with russia and one could buy that relationship. >> exactly. we have spent a lot of capital both now and i'm sure when i was in nato and before, cultivating and offering the hand of friendship to both russia and ukraine. these two councils, standing councils, were visible proof and every six months we had a meeting. we cooperated military to military bases, we did joint exercises, we had exchanges of military training.

and so for a long time we've had what we thought was really good relationships that were developing from the bottom up. but all the way through mr. medved's time, it started to take a different turn, sends mr. putin had a meeting at the sochi, it was clear that the russian influence carried the day so far which is obviously what we're seeing in the streets right now. >> recently the vice president yesterday called in very strong language i think said you don't want to be killing your own citizens. >> exactly. i'm sure the other thing they

talked about was georgia and i'm sure the russians do not want to see that experience recreated in the ukraine. this is a pretty important moment in terms of not only what's happening on a day to day basis but what's likely to roll out in the future. >> what are the risks? >> in terms of military confrontation, probably zero. >> they clearly have the capacity to put down the revolt. the protests, whatever they call it. >> sure. the question is what do they do about it and i thought the question is what do you do about it. i found the president's speech was instructive in the sense that we have figured out that sanctions in the case of iran for example were severe enough to force them to at least give some indication they might want to start talking, sanctions with the u.s. and the eu working together and other countries would be something that both russia and

the ukraine would have to pay attention to. >> that's one thing, sanctions. but are we seeing here as some has raised the question there's little we can do? sanctions may have an impact. >> in the final analysis, you know, everyone wants to solve these problems diplomatically and at the table and using the rule of reason and logic. but reason and logic don't always apply when you have people who are looking at the world through completely different glasses, whether it's corruption or whether it's just a naked power grab. you have to deal with that. and sometimes there aren't a lot of good options. >> suppose the president, you're still the national security advisor. the president brings you in and you're sitting at a table like this and he says general, what are russia's ambitions and how do we respond? what is your advice?

>> well, i think one of the successes of the administration in the first two years was the star treaty. here you have two leaders, russia, president medvedev and president obama who actually forged a personal relationship. and that empowered everybody else. you could feel it all the way down through the national security advisor chain, the state department chain, the defense department. and you could feel that even though there were differences that we were going to be able to sit down and work together. it was a good moment. and that moment has passed, unfortunately, at least it appears that way.

mr. putin is obviously very interested in a different russia, vis-a-vis the europeans and vis-a-vis us. >> and russian influence in the middle east, he's interested in. >> exactly, exactly. so if we're getting back to the time or even remotely to the time when we say up they say down and we say -- >> they say west. >> exactly. that's not good. it's not good for russia and i don't think it's certainly good for many of us who have worked for really hard and very long towards bringing together a path that is away from the cold war. >> resetting the relationship. let me turn to energy. where are we yet go how far away is energy dependence and how far away are we? >> let me start with energy independence if i could because that's a term that i don't like like to use because it has some vestiges of isolationism.

basically if you really sort it out, it says we've got ours, you worry about yourselves. but energy sufficiency i think is something that most countries would try to adhere to. we have a world right now where we have some who have it and some who don't. we are astonishingly lucky, not only in terms of what we have but the amount what we have, ranging all the way from coal to wind. the first thing, energy is a strategic issue. it's a national security issue. it affects not only our economy, our trade, our debt, our jobs, our technology but it affects our standing in the world.

because the have-nots in the world in terms of energy in this globalized world are seeking to have adequate energy. adequate, and by energy i'm talking about not just oil and gas but but water food, that kind of energy as well. those who have it are somewhat empowered and i think in this globalized world, those who have it have a moral responsibility to lead and to understand that energy and climate are interrelated and that we have an opportunity in this country both

regionally, together it is good we are having this discussion, as the president just met with his counterparts in canada and mexico. we have the opportunity to craft, if you will, a north american opec that could really be transformational in terms of who we are in the world. >> in what way? >> domestically you can significantly reduce our national debt, create jobs, stimulate the economy. regionally if you form an alliance with canada and mexico, that speaks volumes for influence. and then internationally, the role that we play in defeating terrorism, defeating the idea that the united states was responsible for all of the evil things that happen on the planet can be defeated with leadership, not just national leadership but international leadership to try to pivot toward a 21st century reality that says look, while world war iii is not likely to happen, we are in a competitive marketplace, and we can use our

competitive advantage to help the developing countries, to stimulate our own economy and to provide for energy access to those who don't have it. that is a transformational in terms of defeating terrorism in the radical fundamentalism that preaches that we are the great enemy. you are also in favor of the keystone bridge, the keystone pipeline. >> i am. we have just seen the fifth study come out just a few days ago from our own government saying that there's no environmental impact or whatever there is is negligible and this is a good example of something that would benefit our relations with canada, which my canadian friends, our canadian friends are scratching their head as to why is this taking so long?

it would benefit our economy. >> did the president come out with a clear point of view on this? >> he's not come out and said that he's not in favor of it. he has come out i believe and said that they want to study it longer. >> that's a euphemism. i have not made a decision, isn't it? >> i like the term i haven't made a decision yet. the one i would not like to hear is we're not going to do this. >> yes. but why not? what else -- >> >> i don't know. i really don't know. >> you know people who talk to him. >> the people i talk to have said to me, and i can only take it at face value, they think eventually decision will be made. >> when you talk about the relationship of the united states and the rest of the world and china and japan and all of this, how much of a leverage, perhaps that is a word you don't want to use either, does it give us in terms of the world? a lot of people look at the united states today after

changes in the equation and look at our financial circumstances which have gotten considerably better and look at the private sector, which has a lot of money to invest, and say this could be a really good time for america. >> exactly. charlie, i think this is the time, on this issue and this isn't the only thing. but if americans are looking for a good news story, we ought to look at this story. by next year, the united states will have surpassed russia in domestic, in oil and gas production. we will be the leader. within 10 or 15 years, we could surpass saudi arabia in just oil exports. we're going to be a net energy exporter. the other thing that's different from us is, in our country, is that everything from as i said from coal to wind and all the renewables and everything else. this is, we have this in abundance that virtually no

other country has. that's tremendous leverage. how we do it, how we use it and how we resource it, resource our r&d sector, we should not abandon the renewalables for example. simply because we have an abundance in shale oil and gas. >> does the economics of the renewables change? >> over time? >> yes. >> possibly. >> and make them more competitive. >> exactly. but renewables will be used. they will not be -- no sector of our energy is the ultimate answer. together, managed correctly, it all can be the ultimate answer. we could be, in the next, by 2030, we could be completely self sufficient in terms of just oil and gas.

there is no question about that. >> what do our allies in the middle east to say about that? >> that is a great question. for 40 years, our friends in the middle east have said, and they've told me this, so this is not guesswork. we have had an oil security deal for 40 years. some have concluded from what's going on in the middle east and how we handle, how we respond to syria, how we respond to egypt and how we respond to the arab spring, because we now have a much brighter future than when we were dependent on opec, that we are somehow less interested in their region. that's a conclusion that they've drawn. >> you would want to dissuaded them of that notion. >> i think we should dissuade them of that notion.

the middle east is the most dangerous spot in the world. i think secretary kerry is doing as good a job as could be done in terms of focusing on those issues. and we need to reassure our friends and allies, not just in the middle east, but elsewhere around the world that united states is still committed. we're still a country that can be relied upon and that we're with them. >> i had a leading israeli common list -- columnist here. he was amazed at the energy and movement forward of john kerry. he has all of these balls in the air, whether it is ironic or syria, israeli-palestinian negotiations. he went to china, he had a statement yesterday about climate and how important that was and how serious that was. he is really having, almost like a very engaged -- >> he has a very good team.

general allen is as good as they come. >> john alan is working on the security elements with the palestinians. >> the job i had back in when i -- back in 2007 when i was the special envoy working for condoleezza rice. my feeling is that everybody knows what this is going to look like. so it's a question of getting the people to the table to agree to it. >> do you believe kerry has a plan that may be able to get them to the table to have a serious conversation? >> i don't think there's any doubt we have a good plan that the moderate arabs, the europeans and everybody would rally around if netanyahu would think about the global implications.

>> and take the risk on each other a bit. >> yes. the whole thing has always been to try to get, in the case of the two occupants of those two jobs, to come to the table and seriously negotiate. they both have to be convinced that this is in their long term best interests to both countries, which everything else seems to believe except them. >> john kerry talked about climate change, he said, climate change can now be considered another weapon of mass destruction. he said that in jakarta, indonesia. do you agree with him? >> >> i said a long time ago you can't have a serious discussion about energy without respecting climate. our country has made astonishing progress in dealing with that and we're going to continue to do that i'm sure. to me it's not a question of

either or, it's a question of working in harmony with one another. on the subject of energy, i also believe that there has to be more cohesion between our public sector in this country and our private sector. public sector should make good policy, and the private sector should do what it's doing which is really catapulting us into a position of great security in terms of our energy future. >> do you believe we missed opportunities in syria? >> yes. >> primarily what? >> i'm of the opinion that the red line on the use of chemical weapons was probably a time when american leadership internationally should have been a little bit more effective. >> what does that mean? >> well, it means that you could have considered some actions

that were punitive, more punitive in terms of the assad regime. for example, i'm not sure that's the only answer, but you could have taken over a northern band of syria and made that a no fly, no drive or no go zone, whatever you want to call it, with international forces and contained refugees into that safe area. >> to hear you say that, i mean, the president you work for said i do not think no fly zones with work. that is what he said. >> i understand. you asked me a question, i gave you my opinion. >> you're saying on that i disagree with the president and no-fly zones might have been very effective at that time when they cross the red line. because concurrent with them crossing the red line and lack of response finally ending up with conversations with the russians about nuclear weapons.

>> everybody draws conclusions by what we do and what we don't do. in some sense that is the penalty you pay for being the united states of america. our allies in turkey, and our friends in europe and our friend in the middle east want american leadership. when they do not see it, they are disappointed. quite so they began to say, what is in our interest? >> exactly. >> that is a troubling circumstance. >> it can be repaired. >> it's not repaired as of now.

>> no. the president's going to the region and he's going to engage with them. the united states is still the best hope on this planet for people who want more peaceful and prosperous future. and we cannot simply pull away, regardless of what's going on here at home, we cannot abdicate our responsibilities. >> do you think that's some of what the president is doing? generals and presidents become worried about history and they look at how the united states got pulled into wars that seem to have no conclusion. and the net result was a loss of cherished lives and treasure. >> yes. >> and you say i don't want that to happen again. are we at a moment where the president has said that and you think there's a danger from that?

>> we're coming out of two wars over a decade. >> one of the longest wars. >> the longest wars. unfortunately the outcome in both, the long term outcome is in question right now. what is the future of afghanistan? what is the future in iraq? >> you look like a man who has served at the highest levels of national security policy who has deep concerns about our national security. >> i think you have to be. you have to be concerned about the future. that's what people like me are charged to do. and the next generation behind us are doing it and periodically we get asked what they think and we give our best opinion. >> you mean two political powers? >> the white house is very good about calling in former national security advisors and having a very open candid discussion. >> so you have a chance to express your views and the president listens and then he

makes a decision he thinks is appropriate, which is what you want. >> exactly right. one of the things i enjoyed the most and i think the president and the vice president did as well is this council of former national security advisors that we called in every quarter or so. >> every three or four months. >> every three or four months. and generally we get eight or nine, sometimes seven or eight national security advisors, served all administrations and there wasn't one partisan comment in talking about -- >> different points of view, but not partisans. kissinger, condoleezza rice, colin powell. that has been going on during the obama administration? meeting every three or four months and saying, is it conducted by the president? >> the national security

adviser. >> then he reports to the president. >> i think we started in 2009. there may have been other administrations but i remember the first time i did it, we had colin powell and henry kissinger, and just about everybody. it was such a good discussion, and so rich in terms of history because history does repeat itself. so what we would do is periodically give them a presentation on the top two or three things we were dealing with, and then we would have an afternoon's worth of discussion. they were so good that the president and vice president used to drop in periodically and just sit and listen and occasionally ask questions. >> not trying to run the

meeting, just trying to participate. >> my successor kept it going. i'm sure susan rice will. >> are you confident we are on the right track? where this is absolutely, there is an awareness of the potential of all of this and we have the means and the policy and the strategy to carry it out? >> i'm confident the private sector is on the right track. what i believe needs to be done, as you know, i cochaired a two-year study with the bipartisan policy council in washington with trent lott, and bill reilly, the former epa administrator, and representatives from the entire energy spectrum, and including

environmentalists. and we came out about a year ago with the final report that essentially was a two part report. the first part said energy is a strategic issue but we are not organized to do strategic thinking and produce a strategic plan. we published ways in which we thought the government might take a look at it and say, look, here are some of the things we can do to do this better. the second part was to kind of educate the public and ourselves really on where are the points where just about everybody agrees. what are the points of confluence, completely without any politics being attached to it. so that report is out there. i think that we're at the moment now where particularly if the president makes a decision on the keystone pipeline, where we could actually accelerate this. i believe that the president can be remembered for a lot of things, but one he could be remembered for is being our

energy president. we are talking about years of history here where no administration has ever strategically tackled the energy potential of this country. now that it's staring us in the face and states like north dakota and texas are being transformed economically, it gives you a sense of what's possible. not only domestically, not only regionally but also globally. >> thank you for coming. >> thank you, charlie. >> back in a moment. stay with us. ♪

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>> sandra bullock and alfonso cuarón are here. it is an action movie set in space and ponders deep question about about human struggle and evolution. here's a trailer for "gravity." >> beautiful, don't you think? >> what? >> the sunrise. terrific. [explosion] >> houston, listen to my voice. >> i'm spinning. can't breathe. what do i do?

what do i do? please copy. >> "gravity" is nominated for ten academy awards including best actress, best director and best picture. i'm please to do have sandra bullock and director alfonso cuaron at this table together. he's been here before but never with you. >> he's done everything better before me. i am ok following him. >> when they showed you this part, did you say this is for me, i love it. >> no.

>> did you say i don't want to work, i'm tired of working? >> i said i don't want to work, i have nothing to offer. i don't know how even know where to begin start talking myself. >> did you really? y? >> i wanted to stay home with my little boy. >> that is a different reason. >> where i was in my place -- that would be the child. >> go make a movie and play with adults. >> pretty much. that was it. >> why did you want her and why did you insist? >> i met her in austin, we had a lovely conversation, a lovely chat. i called my producing partner

and said she's ryan but she doesn't want to work. apparently she, after the conversation, she wanted to do it. she did not let us know for a few days. we suffered. >> up the antique, as they say. can't take the first offer. >> as interesting as game playing might sound, there are other factors you need to weigh before you go off on an unknown. there was nothing about this journey that you could sort of get a hand hold on and say i know what this is going to be and i can feel secure in making this decision. nothing. so i had to look at a lot of factors to see if i could, be ok letting go of everything to go on that journey. >> what factors did you look at? >> the first one was, can you make the world a wonderful world for my son? i cannot go here if i can't be around him all day and if i can't have him be a part of this journey. so they guaranteed me that his world would be right there with

us and they would make it amazing, which they did. they turned the whole cement sound stage into this wonderful oasis for a child learning how to walk. everything had a bumper guard from the wasted down. at that time he was a year and-a-half. and not knowing had to do this, and my going to be able to train for this? do i have the time to do what i need to do? all of the answers were yes. >> it was an interesting enough character for you to want to inhabit. >> once i knew that he would allow me a certain level of collaboration.

i didn't expect collaboration to come from someone like alfonso. i thought you sign on and you let go and you let the tiny dictator rule the set. >> benevolent. >> benevolent decatur. >> you are right, benevolent. it wasn't like that at all. >> you needed to collaborate. >> i didn't know how to pull it off without to be able to collaborate with the storyteller because you had nothing. i needed to know it was okay letting him stop and question and search for. he was that and more. >> my son and cowriter, we always say that we have composed the screenplay with harmony and sandra came to give the melody. and this is true literally in the sense that, in a script like that, it was every single thing you see in the film. but the way of taking the character, there was still the -- it was still open to interpretation.

sandra was so adamant to work, to make sure that every single deed was going to work for the theme of the film. >> what's the theme of the film? >> adversity, and loneliness. >> i thought it was rebirth as well. >> yes, adversity and the possibility of rebirth. the journey is the journey adversities and the goal is rebirth, yes. >> we see how you made this movie in part. how long did it take you to make it? >> four and a half years. >> how much of that was getting the money and everything and the actors? >> it was foreign a half years because we had to develop the whole technology and stuff for two and a half years. then we shot and then it was pretty much three years of putting everything together again. >> this is nothing like you've ever made before.

>> no. never had an experience like this. >> you never thought about gravity much, have you? >> i do when i look at my face in my mere, and other parts of your body. you think about it a lot. [laughter] >> only you would say that. >> human beings think about it all the time. but i had not thought about how the body works and gravity, which is different than how the body works, how the body works in zero g versus gravity. you have to unravel every impulse and reaction that you normally have in this environment and you have to train your body to bend and move in ways that -- >> explain that. counterintuitive or something. >> yes. the best of that -- advice i got from astronauts, imagine that you are pushing and pulling against the linens. if the balloon was here that's what it feels like. there is always an effort made. if you hit against something, let's say i'm running against this table, you move forward into the table versus the minute you bump into something you go backwards and grab it and you don't stop until you meet something else.

and how your body responds, it spins out of control. as much as you fight it, the worse it gets. it was little pieces of information they gave me when we started rehearsing i went wow. >> what is happening here? who is the girl upside down? >> they are filming it upside down. >> there is the puppeteer. >> they are laterally moving you. the puppeteer below me. >> is this the hardest movie you have had to make? >> in the best way, yes. >> challenging, but most exciting. >> once i figured out i was finding it, and i should be

using everything that was a frustration, all of those things that frustrated me were things that once i figured out were a benefits, because it is ostensibly the same thing that's happening to the character in space. it's the loss of control, frustration, loneliness and isolation. you embraced it and it became a friend rather than a problem. >> what's she going through? what's the transformation in ryan? >> someone who experienced such a loss that the only way to survive is to remove anything that is in essence the memory of what life was like before. she's basically a machine. she's just allowing her brain and her skills what she's good at to propel her through life. everything's rhythmic and perfunctory.

there's nothing in life that has any meaning if she can at all avoid it. that's brought her to this situation where she's very good. send me to space, i don't care, i will execute what i need to execute and go back to life, which is pretty much non-existent. someone who doesn't care if she has a life or if she perishes. what kind of person is she at that point when she has to decide to fight for her life? will she say, i'm going to let go, and let myself die, or is she going to let go and let whatever comes come, but except that she might -- it might be worth fighting for something. it's interesting to see when a person comes with that crossroads when they get what they wish, which is you can make that choice and let go of life and not fight for it anymore. >> what's really always interesting to me, it often takes something else to get you to find that thing, you know. in this case being up there, that thing. hoping her find that she might not have found otherwise.

life is interesting that way. it does not give you anything you can't handle. i do not buy that, but i do believe if you are awake enough to feel the reasoning behind something, the human being is such an amazing creature, it wants to fight. it can't not fight for survival, most of the time. and we talked about that a lot. what is that thing that happens when you have given up that ignites the slightest amount of passion to try one more time before you give up? sometimes letting go is what you need to do. you have the ultimate gift in this movie, and for those who haven't seen it, i don't want to give it away, but the greatest gift a human being can give another human being is given. it's so lovingly and selflessly

done, that if that doesn't ignite that tiny little spark in you to look at your life and see the worth of your life, then you are missing the point. >> that kind of sacrifice. you're not going to get there. without sounding like a psychologist, or a shrink. >> are you licensed? >> no. [laughter] >> continue. >> come on, admit it, you've been helped. >> i have. i still need more but i've been helped. not by you, but by professionals with a license. >> by real serious people. >> people who know what they're doing. >> when you describe this character have you been somewhere else similar to that in your life? >> knock on life i have never experienced what she has. if you live a good life, you're going to be knocked about. hitting up every day is a risk. opening up your heart to someone is a risk, is someone telling the truth, is this guy going to be honest about the journey or

am i going to come out saying, why did i say yes to something i did not want to say yes to? why did i say yes to this one, when we had the initial conversation, we spoke about adversity and what we wanted out of life in similar terms. we had the same language, which really surprised me. >> what was the same language? [laughter] see what i got her to admit. >> i think in the end it comes to not knowing. not knowing and knowing we are in absolutely no control over anything. once you admit that you have

absolutely no control over anything, i think you sort of are more in tune and in sync with really the bigger picture. it comes back to the metaphor of just letting go and it's easier said than done. but going back in and saying i'm going to say yes to an experience that scares the crap out of me. the unknown, am i a bad mother, am i taking him to a place that is not going to be good? is this a bad environment? all of the what at. and then every day i was surprised and moved and didn't care for. you go, i am glad i said yes. everyone is not about. >> you can also talk about this in terms of personal relationships. >> absolutely. i panic, every time a make a decision that forces me to be around people and make a life decision, i panic. when i take a breath, i go, if it scares me for the right reasons, that is good. if i say i'm going to be around energy that is not -- that is going to make life be short, you do not say yes. i did not see this as a life too short category. i saw it to get over fears, and i did. it was the sweetest time i have had in a long time, personally

and in the work environment. >> and therefore it encourages you to look for the same experience? >> i will never have this experience again. i will never have all of the elements come together been -- again. i know that. i want to fight for something that is different and challenging and asks the most of me and i thought i did that before, but i realized never to this degree, but also doing it

to this degree taught me about myself that i had no idea existed. >> sandra, almost like an addiction of testing her limitations. >> testing your limitations. >> addicted or i can no longer be afraid. i can't let fear dictate -- >> it might have, this helps you realize -- >> i need to dive into that and figure why i am afraid. >> is this a transformative experience for you? >> 1000%. the person i went into this was the person that did not come out the other end. >> the person today is more confident or understanding of what it is i should do to better appreciate the fullness of life? >> all of the above. not that i am more confident, but i am very aware of my shortcomings. they no longer paralyze me. i am not fear this, but i am excited about the things that scare me and can look at them from many sides rather than, and again, letting them freeze my

choice. >> does that change? >> everything. every decision i make. i know that my career trajectory, i was given this gift. it opened doors, and it has opened all of these doorways and i know i will probably not be able to take most of them because i'm going to choose to be a mom. i'm going to choose to have my life involve around louie. shocking, for an actress. [laughter] i wanted to say it before you did. >> what was he going to say? >> he was going to say shocking. [laughter] i think that is a familiar story among people who have children. you go, i have been so lucky, i have something else to live for. his life is more interesting than mine right now. he deserves to have the world revolve around him. >> all experiences are new. >> everything is new. >> does it make you wish you had done this earlier or did you do it the right time? when you are prepared to enjoy

it? >> exactly. everything happened exactly the way it was supposed to happen. i honestly do not think i understood the concept of joy until now. i did not know what it meant. i think i knew what it meant on a surface level, i had no idea what joy he meant and looking for joy every day, what do you want in life? i want to find joy, wherever it is. i want to find joy. >> that is because of your son

and this experience. i want to find joy. >> i want to find joy. if you ask what was it that made me say yes, was alfonso's path was the same. >> we were trying to sort out the same mysteries. we agreed in the theme of adversity and we were trying to make sense out of a diversity. -- adversity. we tend to fall into a comfort zone, even if we are going through hard times. we are a victim of our own inertia. life has the way of beating the crap out of view, to put you in your place by beating the crap out of view. sometimes if you are in your comfort zone, life sentence, you know -- >> a discovery. and you are repeating yourself. >> sometimes life sent to the adversity. it is what you need. >> what were you looking for

before you get up every morning and look for joy? what were you looking for? >> i was a very happy person. i was always grateful. there was always, looking over your shoulder in a way you go, something is not right. something is missing. what is this thing -- i did not want to have to manufacture the joy with a cup of coffee to wake up and get the day started. i didn't want -- not want to have a great role to make me satisfied. i did not want another human being or situation in charge of my happiness. i found myself going, i did this, i am supposed to feel like a success, but i do not. i should feel good about myself,

but i don't. i think i was placing joy on things on the outside coming to me rather than all of a sudden life shifts and you adjust and you learn things and all of a sudden, you know, or is it isn't having a child that breaks your heart open? maybe. at the same time i am given the most extraordinary work experience to challenge myself? maybe. because we got to do it in england with an incredible cast and crew of people who showed you support and sweetness every day? maybe. all of those things. i can't put my finger on one thing, but it is the culmination of so many things, you know, going with the flow. i can control it. it is just that, when you realize you can control nothing, it takes the pressure off. >> finding the joy. thank you for coming again. a pleasure to see you. you're quite wonderful, as you know. >> i agree. >> can i get a clip of that? [laughter] that will last. >> it is over.

>> something is going to happen again. [laughter] >> thank you. thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪

>> live from pier three in san francisco, welcome to "bloomberg west." i'm emily chang. our lead story of the day, facebook struck a deal with whatsapp. now we know google and microsoft tried to buy whatsapp as well. why so much interest? whatsapp has 450 million users. they send 18 billion messages a day, which is nearly all the text messages sent around the world combined.