. >> from our studios in new york, this is "charlie rose." >> six days have passed since 370 hasn airline

disappeared. the mysterious disappearances prompted a massive international air and sea search. there been no results so far. several countries are assisting malaysia in their efforts. tensions have grown. on thursday the wall street journal reported investigators were looking at data which it just the plane might have flown for hours after it was -- after its last known contact. live from los angeles california. we are pleased to have andy with us. >> good to be here. >> tell me where we are at this moment. you filed the story overnight. then you have the acting transport minister suggested wasn't true, as far as he knew. what has happened since then? investigators seem to be

suggesting that there was a plane hadwhich the flown after last contact at 1:03 a.m.. >> that is correct. this is turning into almost a bad tom clancy novel. you have a malaysian investigator for challenge. they are not overly competent. you hear of -- you have an aircraft that is supposed to crash into water. there is no debris. now, it seems that investigators are looking seriously at the possibility that this aircraft continue to fly for up to four hours after the last transponder reading and it disappeared off of the radar screens. this is an unprecedented next of issues and problems. i don't think it is close to

being resolved. >> what they believe the plane flew for four hours after the last contact they had from the cockpit? but they were transmissions off of the aircraft which indicate to investigators that it was moving. it was flying. its engines were working for a chunk of that four hours. you have the fog of war. there is also the fog of aviation crash investigation. initially, the suspicion was that this data came from engine monitoring systems for the aircraft. now appears it is even more consultative. there's a system onboard the aircraft which communicates with satellite to download maintenance data, systems monitoring data. routine. in this case the data was not being transmitted. the sin that was supposed to send it into space was reaching

out to the satellite periodically every 30 minutes. essentially saying to the satellite i'm here. i'm ready to send. this means the aircraft was intact, it was moving, and it completely shatters the notion that people have been talking but ever since day one. the plane went down when transponder stopped transmitting. as of the dramatic happened at that point. we are talking but hours that it remained in the air. investigators are trying to see the and may have landed. there is no firm data. they do suspect that it is possible that it landed somewhere in an undisclosed location they don't know. >> what would have been the purpose of the land? had problems on board over trying to do something else? your should remind

viewers, this is not fiction. this is actually going on. that either ais pilot, or a passenger on board the aircraft intentionally turn off the transponder to be invisible to radar. they have nefarious reasons to take the aircraft somewhere. i don't think there is a more specific or firm theory than that. that is a frightening theory. one that is actively being pursued. not the only theory. that clearly, a strand in the investigation national security folks think is worthwhile to delve into. >> butter the other theories question mark -- what are the other theories? >> structural failure. perhaps some incredibly egregious pilot errors which put the plane into an area they can

recover from. fire can happen quickly. he can overwhelm a cockpit and crew. those are some of the scenarios. you --re much less like they're much less likely ones. from the folks i talked to, the most perplexing thing, if you have an aircraft that crashed into the ocean and there has to be some debris, whether it is a or landing ane, aircraft on its belly. something has to flow. cushions, pieces of galleys, a life raft, something. despite all of these searches so far, that has not been one piece of wreckage that has verified as coming from the aircraft. moreis just perplexing than anything they have seen. but what direction they think the plane might have headed

during the four hours after the last message? >> to get more complicated for everyone, the transitions that i talked about provide some locations. not very precise locations. now they are trying to analyze the data to see if they can 30ermine between the bursts minutes or an hour. which direction the plane moved in, and perhaps give an idea of this trajectory. i have to tell you from working on this with my colleagues, i don't believe there was a strong consensus in the investigative unity about where the plane is, what happened to me, did he go into the ocean? is it on land? did he crash into lanza morels? this is the most amazing situation after almost a week. air france fly.

they found some debris after the plane went down within days. >> that is correct. he didn't find the black box or the recorders for very much longer. they were deep in the ocean. they were difficult to find. they did find debris. the aircraft, the same system we have been talking about, that transmits system monitoring data and maintenance data, the got aigators early on good overall sense of what was happening on the aircraft. not a full picture, not a detailed examination of the issues. i got a sensible was happening on the plane. we have no sense at this point but was happening on this plane. i totally normal transmission aircraft control. in the transponder stops. then you have this bizarre situation where it was flying around in some undetermined locations. >> planes vanish. this is not the first time.

they say to me now, this is the most remarkable vanishing plane we've ever seen. what makes it different? >> the year. aircraft with all of the communications and monitoring systems on board, in a very peaceful, good weather night, no indication from the pilot that there was any problems, and as far as we can tell this point, no mechanical issues on this type of aircraft. i think it is dramatically different from other disappearances because the plane is very new. there is no weather. there are no storms. no indications of any mechanical issues before the flight. your left shoving your shoulders. there are so many strands that don't seem to fit together. >> i talked to sell his own burger -- i talked to sally this

morning. i said to him, if you can make a couple of phone calls right now to get more air in -- more understanding, who would you call question mark he said he would call bowling -- who would you call? he said he would call bowling and rolls-royce. advocate the information. -- they would get the information. the information goes to the airline. they would be helping. they are there unseen. this information was intended to go to them directly. >> to whom? >> to boeing. >> did they receive information? >> the fact -- but we have been

reporting is that this is sketchy, but great satellite transmission from the aircraft were there. they indicate the aircraft was flying around. areng and rolls-royce investigating. they're trying to make sense of it. an effort in progress. >> with the -- would you change anything about the story euro? >> in the fog of the gonecation, i would have differently about what kind of data was coming off of this. , unlike theally is scenario which has been the one that everybody has followed for the disappearance, the plane went down at a certain point and let's look for the wreckage. at is not a to me th

scenario that will work in this case. something else happened. that is unprecedented. >> there is one last scenario. the payne stewart scenario. is that a viable option? somehow, somebody was put to sleep on the plane? with the transponder going with the flight of this aircraft, i am told, and we are trying to determine this, there is some indication of some suspicion that there were manual adjustments and changes to the flight management computer when the air out change direction. when it disappears from the radar screens and change directions, investigators suspect there was manual input.

if that is the case, the payne stewart scenario is completely out the window. it is a make any sense. >> a lot of questions and few answers. >> but fascinating topics. >> thank you. ♪

>> 69 years after saudi arabia and the night it's it's forged an alliance, the countries find themselves at odds. tensions of escalate over u.s. policy in the region, especially's. around. -- especially syria. , the head ofw intelligence to syria, and former syrian ambassador to united states and united kingdom. welcome. >> it is nice to be back. >> a pleasure to have you back.

let me remind you of things you have been saying around the world. americahappening with is a fascinating spectacle. it is a lesson in what not to do. what the lesson is? >> the lesson is that if you're going to engage in world affairs, stick to what you say, and perform on what you promise. from the perspective of the kingdom, as you rightly said, we long-standing relationship with the united states. we have had our ups and downs. but, we look upon the united states as not just a strategic ally, but a very important country. ishave more than, the number 80,000 saudi students spread over the united states and universities. that is an indication of where

the people of saudi arabia want to maintain this close contact. when the u.s. tells us that it is going to do something, we expect them to do it. >> you're talking but the fact that united states, after suggesting that the searing government had crossed a red line, did not do anything. the president will be quick to say, yes we did do something. >> that is true. -- getting rid of chemical weapons is a good step. but you have a military conflict now in syria. 150,000 people have been killed. i think that not just united states -- >> and millions of refugees. >> the world community should be doing something to stop the killing. that is not happening. we have geneva one.

we have had geneva two. both of them have gone without any stopping of the killing. where does of responsibility stop? ending stop with simply chemical weapons. they cane a barrels lob on civilians and kill as many they get. that hasn't stopped. this,s where my take on not just united states, but the world community has been lacking in the will to do something. >> the president said he did in rebels with the weapons and armaments. he did not do that. it has never been a question of

putting boots on the ground on the part of the united states. he chose not to do that. he has looked at it again and he is trying to do some things. he is wary of that. because of the composition of the rebels. the question is, what is your are yount doing? jihadists who very much would be the enemy of your government, the cutter government, and every other government in the middle east, except perhaps the most radical. >> this is where something that has to be done can be done. the kingdom definitely does not support people who would inflict harm on the kingdom. >> and you do know that there are people fighting in the rebel forces who would do that. >> beer not supporting that. >> how do you make sure it is

one and not the other? >> use people like yourself. -- news people like yourself up into the front lines. they have met with these jihadists. we have met the legitimate opposition. they know who they are. my suction is that the intelligence services, whether it is the cia, in my six, french intelligence, they would have extensive files on who these people are. ,elivering these weapons defensive weapons, to the right me,le is something that to is available. thrown't have to simply these weapons at whoever will take them. you can choose who your

recipients are. make sure they use them in the right fashion of defending themselves against aircrafts, .nd missiles >> what is your assessment of the situation on the ground -- and mark -- the ground? >> mostly from open sources. news media. you have friends. >> i do have friends. i sincerely tell you that i depend mostly on open sources. there is a stalemate. both sides going forwards and backwards. something has to break to make the negotiations envisioned in geneva 1 successful. if the assad regime believes it can win, it is not going to concede on any political

compromise. you have to supply these weapons , defensive weapons. -- antitank, etc.. to level the playing ground. to make them have a say in the future of what is happening. >> everybody worries that if in fact assad goes, what follows him? >> what follows him, if we are smart, and we should be smart, by supporting the moderate resistance, you can have a moderate representation of the syrian people. >> even the most extreme jihadist are fighting among themselves. >> not just the extreme jihadist. they are fighting assad. they are fighting hezbollah. they are fighting these

extremists coming from iraq, supported by iran. they are fighting these almonds on the ground. >> to the united states government try to restrain with in seriousa did question him >> not that i know of. i have not heard the u.s. tried to restrain anything. helping thet was jihadists. >> they know exactly who we are supporting. there is extensive cooperation between united states and saudi arabia. who received, support in syria. trust the government united states? >> we do. we have had a long and historic relationship with the united states. and 60'se 40's, 50's,

when the cold war was at its height, the saudi arabian and united states worked closely on many issues. afghanistan was one. the middle east, you had terrible things happening. soviet encroachment. , and the kingdom and in other states worked closely. the ultimate cooperation happened when saddam hussein invaded kuwait. we had half a million american soldiers on saudi soil. >> to the consternation of someone like osama bin laden. >> and nonetheless -- met with member, you somebody. laden handed over to the kingdom. the united states stood by us.

we needed a friend to stand by us. we stuck by the united states when they needed a friend to stand by them. i trust united states. >> in the first gulf war? >> and previous to that, and subsequent to that. do you believe that the president and his leadership has weakened america? what's your president has had a tough time. his first term was spent trying the problems the u.s. faced after the previous president left office. whether it was the economy, iraq, afghanistan. you name it. he had to deal with it. >> you have some respect for that fact. >> the u.s. is coming out of all of these problems. that is an indication where the president has gone. in his september speech, the notice states -- in his september speech, he addressed the issue of palestine and

nuclear weapons. he has had secretary kerry visiting i don't even know how many times. evoking a lot of time. and mr. netanyahu. he is meeting next week. that is an indication of where the president is going on important issues for us in the middle east. the palestinian issue. if we can solve that issue, we can go on to solve that. that john kerry is making progress? >> i hope so. in my view, if he doesn't make now,ess, on this issue we're going to have another problem in the next few years. from palestine, from everything connected to it. >> your support of of the kerry mission? >> very much. >> not just me as a person. but the arab league has been

supportive of the kerry mission. committee that deals with palestine and peace. they have been telling mr. kerry , supporting his efforts in reaching them. >> you believe it has a chance. it depends on the israelis and the palestinians. now areieve the chances better than they have been in the last five years. because of this effort. >> because of kerry. >> the president supporting kerry. i have been telling people that -- we need a bear pushing us. that is a good thing. >> the united states government. >> unites us government. president obama. mr. kerry. it gives people like netanyahu the opportunity to turn to their constituency and tell them there

is this big bear pushing us. if we don't come through with this, the bear is going to get angry at us. >> then there is the ran -- iran. states is engaged in conversations because they believe there may be an opening with a new regime in iran. it is said that you, and the , thinkent that you serve that is a terrible mistake. you worry about it more than anything. that you and your government and israel are on the same page. other kingdom and the countries have issued statements about the key five plus one talks with iran. that they are very

hopeful that these negotiations will lead to a permanent agreement on the status of nuclear enrichment and proliferation. being hopeful means that you are supportive. we engage with iran. we have embassies into ron -- he ran -- in tehran. election,with the this spirit rouhani brings will powers, other interdicting forces, around to engagement, rather than combativeness. that rouhaniieve

is genuine? >> personally, i believe he is. message.me with that during the election campaign, and after the election campaign. he won a mandate. 53%. nonetheless, it is a mandate. to improve relations not just with the west, but with the neighboring countries. >> the conventional wisdom is saudi arabia and iran are in a competition for influence in the gulf. there you have it. they see it as a zero-sum game. >> i think what is good for both of us is good. the area remains without nuclear weapons. at the area engages in negotiations and not conflict.

that we don't interfere in each other's affairs. one of the problems we have had with iran, they interfere in syria. they have guards on the ground. they have asked hezbollah to interfere in lebanon. they have asked other malicious from iraq to interfere. they interfere in iraq. >> they would say it is not interfering. that ishave to show true. we can show that iranians are doing that. there are no saudi troops in syria. saudi's who some are fighting on the side of the rebels. >> you have citizens. you have europeans. > the worry is, what happens

windows jihadists go back to where they are from. >> this is what i'm saying in my talks everywhere. syria is a festering wound. it collects bacteria. these bacteria are now fighting in theory. stops,at fighting they're going to go back where they came from. that they willis in fact wherever they came from. serious the fight in more important than simply letting no one indefinitely. >> what is your assessment of iraq? >> iraq is a work in progress. you have a government that is as , even under the shia constituency, opposing the present government.

are inhe kurds, they opposition to what the present government is doing. they are coming up for elections in the next couple of months. so, there is an opportunity there for the people of iraq to changeds, and hopefully the complexion of the government feudalistic into a more accommodating and national government than they have. >> to think it was mistake for american troops to not stay behind? in 2003.a invaded iraq when america said we were going to with draw, they should withdraw. >> that is what the president says. >> i agree with the president. >> afghanistan? >> same way.

when you're troops were chasing 2002, then you stopped because you withdrew your troops to deploy them in iraq. that was a mistake. >> that wasn't what happened in tora bora. in how the afghans could take care of at that point. >> that was a mistake. the second was when they kill bin laden. mistake there, having killed they have declared victory. to do. we have set out >> mission accomplished. they are some ago shooting with the present government on status post 2014.reement i think the united states should get out of afghanistan. >> suppose it comes with other

rogue states. that is a breeding ground for al qaeda affiliates. and affiliates, the afghan people are not in support of them. and -- the taliban did the worst thing in afghanistan. that is what if innocent people supported the u.s. and international efforts in afghanistan. i think if you deal with pakistan, with india, with iran, develop economic and social development in afghanistan, you can get over this issue. happen in going to pakistan? >> what is pakistan need? it needs pattillo -- it needs

stability. from baggageeedom inherited from previous governments. on stability, the government has to establish its strength. some areas where there isn't much government, they need to have economics. >> the biggest problem the u.s. had in afghanistan was that there was a safe refuge. >> the pakistanis would say there was also a safe refuge for some pakistani elements. you have to fix that issue. the only way you can do that is by fixing the durand line. this is from british colonial days.

by doing that, by fixing this line, having a permanent, then you can relieve the huge pressure from the shoulders of the afghani leaders who worry ambitious groups in .fghanistan have read the history. you know the area. bomb,the iranians get a they will have a bomb simply because they will go to their friends in pakistan and it will be there in 10 minutes. that is what they say. >> everybody says that. first of all, i don't think that pakistan is going to be free to do if they want. they're going to face a lot of sanctions. the kingdom is going to face a lot of sanctions.

we would prefer to have a zone free of weapons of mass distraction in the area. extending from iran, all the way across, including turkey, israel, and the arab countries. >> they would never agree to that. lex why not? -- >> why not. he gave an interview when he was aive but she said if there is piece of the arab world, we might consider having some kind of weapons of mass destruction. the statement when he was prime minister. in the last few months, discussions on the zone free of ies distraction, through the meetings. israel participates in the

discussions for having his own weapons of mass destruction. my vision to that is that if we can have the five permanent members of the security council , one is ao guarantees nuclear security umbrella for all members, and second, the five permanent members would guarantee that they will fill it they willction any -- militarily sanction any infringements on the zone. d'amico have the discussions with all the members of the zone dispute. what is now a lex i want to talk about your country. how is the king? >> he is fine. he is 92 years old. >> 92 years old.

now: would. --: knock on wood. >> the succession is set. we have a crown prince. we have counsel. >> the king has had bouts with bad health. >> indy. he had two operations. he does his work. he meets with the ministers. he meets with heads of state. human with president obama. he does the work. his crown prince is going to be on a visit to china in the next few days. he has been on a visit to japan. the kingdom is operating. >> what happened to prince band are -- vandar? the are ports coming out is that

he is on the way out. >> i tell everybody, if you don't see it coming out of the royal d1 and a statement saying what it is, don't believe what you read. >> what is going to happen is that he falls back? what is the scenario? >> if there is anything going to happen, it will come out of the royal d1. >> was he in trouble? >> i have no idea. prince vandar, they are the concern of the government. they are not my concern. >> people leave -- people believe you speak for the government. [laughter] when you condemn the united states and raise questions about our ability to stand firm, you government'sg your position. >> we have a saying. he your friend is he who tells

you the truth, not he who tells you what you want to hear. i as a friend of the united states and many saudi's as friends of the united states have been telling our friends in the united states only believe is the truth. i don't think i've ever condemned the united states. >> i could read you some language. >> we could have an argument about semantics on that issue. if i see mys, friend doing something wrong, i have to tell him he is doing something wrong. click something wrong he was doing was not being as tough as he should've been when the so-called red line that he announced was passed? that was the issue. >> indeed. lex a final thing.

the government is always raising concerns. wanting to play a huge role in the region. the kind of role that saudi arabia and egypt have played. this is jeffrey goldberg. you know his work. he gets these interviews all the time. you read those. amir, he met secretly in kuwait last week with foreign ministers from five neighboring countries, including saudi tobia, bahrain, according two people with direct knowledge of this meeting. brother. your he had a simple message for the a mere. cut it out. we know what you are doing. , bahrain, anda the united emirates withdrew

their ambassadors a couple of weeks ago. because, there was an agreement that was signed by all the countries, and not in secret. it was a public agreement on security. there'll be no interference in each other's affairs. there'll be coordination between the countries when it comes to issues of security and national interests. arabia,iew of saudi they have not lived up to that agreement. hence, the public expression was by withdrawing the ambassadors. i can tell you, there was no secret meeting between the dcc members.

all of the meetings that have taken place have been in public. >> they did me. >> of course. >> and they told him to cut it out. your meddling too much. lex the artisans of the agreement, he has not lived up to that. that is why we are withdrawing our ambassadors. hopefully they will come to their senses and come around. negotiations the will be successful and they will be able to dismantle? >> the hope is there. your late president reagan used to say, trust but verify. you need verification. >> in syria, your hopeful the president will come back from saudi arabia with saudi arabia and the united states on the aboutage as to what to do the war in syria.

>> i hope so. we have to stop it. >> thank you for coming. a pleasure to see you. >> always a pleasure to see you. ♪ >> jon medved is here. one of israel's leading venture capitalists. silicon valley may have a rival in the israel high-tech sector. the countries the third largest listings on nasdaq. i am pleased to have him on this program. welcome. you grow up in california. >> i grow up in san diego. >> how old were you when you move to israel? >> 24 years old. i grow up in a political family. i made one of those summer visits and it blew my mind. it was a game changer. i got interested in my jewish heritage. i kept going back and talk myself hebrew. i move there figuring i would be

a poor person. it didn't work out that way. >> had to get rich? >> my father shows up for a trip . he was a physicist before was fashionable. he had a startup doing fiber optics in our garage at home. he showed up and said, i want to go on a visit to meet tech people. i went out with him and sat there in this meeting. they were talking fiber optics. nobody knew what that was in those days. i sat there quietly and decided guidingd i'm doing some and studying history grade 15 said what a waste. was slapped. what your dad is doing is fiber optics. this is what israel needs. on the way back from that , i said, what do you do?

by the end of the trip i decided i would work for him to see if i could help them raise money. that is how i got started. -- iw you're one of the saw a poll that called you one of the 10 most influential ns that have impacted israel. >> it is remarkable now. there so much activity. you throw a rock, you get stuff. there are hundreds of company starting each year. it is not about what starts, but what happens. they get bought by american gis. a lot of the technology actually started in israel. there is under the hood. they buy one,s they buy another, the create huge presence in israel. there are 300 r&d centers employ half of our ecosystem. for guys like me in the venture capital game, we now have a

built-in exit mechanism. you have to get the money out after you put the money in. it is to go to do find multinational ones. >> who would have thought israel would have produced great tech companies? >> we have a bunch of almost great tech companies. asgreat you're defining it apple, google, microsoft. there are few other companies in the world. happened acquisition, -- >> what happened to your dads company? >> we sold it. i figured if i could learn fiber optics with a history degree, i could learn software. i build a software company and got that public. if i could do to startups, could be a venture capitalist. i started it in my garage.

two -- i gritted ago, i year and a half am building something in the crowd funding he wanted change the way that investments are made. i want to democratize it and bring in millions of people who haven't had a chance. kickstart her for investors. they allow you to give money to projects you like. you let the cool singer or an indie movie maker. you give them money. you can't invest money in companies. what we do, we allow accredited , they can go online, look at the best startups coming out of israel, and decide which one they would like to invest in.

the $20 you spend on kickstarter. it is still quite democratic. a couple of guys in a closed room. >> this is a quote. represent a0 years critical juncture on economic prosperity. whether israel will be content selling its content to the highest bidder and remained an outsource, or take innovation from launched mass production. today, if you is actually occupy the space the israel occupies, the world , andator for the new ideas

you do sell it, it is not a bad place to be. there were $2.2 billion invested in startups. billion in exits. abillion dollars is in hundred million dollar company. it is not too shabby when you're getting in at $10 million as an investor. like are companies checkpoint, the leader in security. --y are $13 billion three they are $13 billion. what you are seeing now is a generation of serial entrepreneurs. people who have been there, done that. the want to do it again. they want more. they are more patient. the want to grow the business. what is happening is that private equity is coming into the country to supplant the

venture capital. that is pretty exciting. >> it is good to have you here. >> great to be here. ♪

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>> of this week on political dutchl, we beat the debate the cia versus diane feinstein. vernon silver reports -- on the pope. we begin with two of the smartest political mind. johnson a new and former