>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." it here. churkin ambassador to the

united nations. vladimir putin ratified the treaty to formally annex crimea. the eu and the united states have responded by expanding sanctions on high-ranking russian officials. president putin and spokesperson have said that the sanctions will not go unnoticed. governmentine, the signed an agreement with the european union forging closer economic ties. it is the same agreement that former ukraine president yanukovych refused to sign triggering protests in november. i am pleased to have vitaly churkin back at this table. the me how russia sees annexing of crimea. but we see it as a historic fact and day. separation,rs of crimea and russia can finally be reunified. something on the desperation of the people all the crimea all of those years. you remember crimea has been a

part of russia for centuries. around 60 years ago, arbitrarily by his own decision, he transferred crimea to ukraine. at that point, there was a little grumbling. at least crimea stayed within the same continent. tried to cutople their political adopting a certain cousin to should giving them autonomy, but, kiev changed it giving power to crimea. in that situation which developed unexpectedly after the februaryh happened in as no legal authority remained in cap. and the situation where crimea felt threatened by those who ponducted this violent cou they went ahead and declared

their own independence and a referendum where people voted for joining russia. russia cannot do but take up the challenge and incorporate crimea. >> what i would like to know is what else does the russian government want? do you want to take over ukraine, the government in kiev? intentions beyond this. most people on this program suggest the crimea is pretty much gone as far as its previous relationship. they seem to accept that. i am not sure the u.s. government but most people do. the question is, what else does president putin want? westernve our counterparts including the united states asking about our views and would produce a paper that is based on the agreement that was signed by the opposition before yanukovych was

forced to flee. and was cosigned by foreign ministers. france, germany, and poland. the agreement at any constitutional reform and dialogue. our idea for the political situation if it should be a process involving all of the regions of thinning the assembly to convene the assembly. >> meaning? >> east, west, all regions. crimea is out of the picture. all of the regions including eastern and southeastern which are unrested. they should discuss a new constitution. the russian federation is a federation. the united states is a federation. why can't the ukraine be a federation? a sure they can use their rights and the russian language. this is our proposal to ukrainians and western

colleagues. the way to stabilize the political situation. goodraine has a very knowledgeable with the european union and the west as well as a good relationship with russia. would it be a good thing? >> absolutely. that is what i have been saying. >> everybody has been saying. the united states is that we saidct and angela merkel we respect the great relation between russia and ukraine and we understand the connection and we respected that. however, ukraine is an independent state. the russians should leave it alone and not try to do what to ukraine what they did to crimea. >> leave them alone. [laughter] speaking of them. if we leave them alone, they will collapse because they are working and russia in terms of $20 billion of money every year to support their families which is a sizable part of the gross

domestic product. this was entirely our pitch to the ukrainians when the crisis was developing when they will pushing the agreement. when the ukrainian government realize the negative consequences, we told down. the ukrainian government said it and we support down. let us have trilateral agreements and with ukraine and russia to see how we can move on economically. they said, no way. we do not want to have those discussions and stead of demanding and enforcing to sign of the association agreement. when they say they understand all of russia is, they should act. what did united states think. i do not want to speak up for them. chancellor merkel has been a good friend to rush and she is very very angry and said she does not believe that putin am a you know what she said about the phone conversation. he seems irrational which raises

one important question that many people sitting at this table have expressed. vladimir putin famously sought -- thought that the splitting of the united nations was one the worst things. it is beginning of a long time goal to exert russian influence over what was the soviet union. it is like saying the united states is harboring a desire for establishing -- a conspiracy theory. >> clearly, it is not true. and not true to suggest. but do not true. we need to exercise and utilize advantages of our region. [indiscernible] kazhakastanssia and and we be other countries in europe will join.

and offering membership to ukraine. it would not make up their mind. have any objection to ukraine having a very good and positive relationship with the european union? >> our objective is to have asked him -- excellent relationships. here is what some people suggest about what happened. when yanukovych was even suggesting there might be a new relation with the eu, it was then the president of russia exercise the muscle he had with respect to energy and other economic influences to say, you cannot do that and you have to violate understanding. otherwise, we will stop supporting you economically. use that leverage to force the ukrainian government to move away from europe. >> no. that is not the case.

the situation is the ukrainian government realized too late what the consequences of this association agreement would be. but what would be the consequences? >> the economy would collapse -- a $16y were given billion. >> they are very good at promising stuff was up giving them $200 million. and some vague promises. without even committing to a future membership of ukraine in the european union. and tellingses countries they must obey them politically and economically an order for them to materialize in a the 21st century. when they realize they needed consequences, they were looking to presidential elections. we are going to survive, our government or country if we accept that agreement. we offer them substantial

economic assistance. the things we could do together to take advantage of our situation in order to get out of the crisis. work on all would relation with the eu. that in factying if the european union had stepped forward and said sign on the line, we have a relationship and here is $16 billion among the number that was used they might be able to put together now. if they had done that, the crimea so would have been very happy and russia would've been very happy? >> what was said consistently. vladimir putin said, talking about membership with nato. who would object? membership in the european union, a good relationship on their decision to make. , what thely

consequences are going to be because now we are in the arrangement of free trade zone with ukraine. our concern was that if you choose to enter with the consequences of that agreement and that agreement would not survive. that would have a very bad economic consequence and problems for russia. some cheap stuff from ukraine having been suppressed by european economic presence. it would disrupt our very economic relationship. what we're asking other european union is a trilateral discussion . instead, what was sold was indicating that instigating and people from the united states marching along -- >> john mccain? >> john mccain was there talking to yanukovych and demanding he should go to the european union. >> what did you think the

protest in the streets were about? >> they definitely started out of frustration with president yanukovych and his government. also people were misled by the promise of the european union. most of the people interviewed industries at the time were under the opinion or belief that there were arrangement with the european union. that was not the case. misled by theere propaganda of the eu. very quickly, the peaceful demonstrations in kiev was hijacked by radicals. they attacked police and tried to take over administrative buildings and toppled the government of by force creating this chaos. >> the government in kiev? >> we do not think it is legitimate. it is not legal. the freedom party which they

branded as radical anti-semitic. they do not have control of the situation. it is controlled by the radicals. >> several people at this table that you respect. henry kissinger has a good rid that good relation with vladimir putin. they talk on the phone and they visit. -- henry kissinger has a good relationship with vladimir putin. how would you describe the relationship? >> i am not in the position. mutual intellectual respect. >> here's what he said about vladimir putin's response. >> i think putin undoubtedly interpreted the demonstrations when it -- in kiev started when yanukovych was moving and instigated and

supported by the rest. >> no doubt he believes that? >> no question he believes that. >> that we were behind it? >> no question. and he probably believes the high point and connection within a deliberatewas attempt to humiliate him. >> after the success of the olympics? olympics paralyze him. he cannot participate in the crisis. he probably overreacted. >> you do not think he overreacted? >> i think we did what we need to do under those circumstance in the crimea. >> the other big question is at the beginning of the new cold

war between russia and the united states. >> first of all, we need to recall what the cold war a was. it was a period of total competition oh both sides and they were getting very serious to kill each other. this of course is not the case and will not be the case this time. we need to analyze the entire situation. i think that it definitely the united states and some western countries have a view on the crimea but joined vested interest. first of all, make sure the global economy is not a destabilized. and secondly with the work together to prevent further destabilization. >> just avoiding the destabilization is the answer that russians have? >> full cooperation with the west and global -- and ukraine him of course. all of the interest.

like $16-- they have to us. debt without them been prosperous, we cannot expect them to repay. we have interest. >> the president has been careful to give russia a way out of this. he has said that in fact. an exit strategy if you may. is it possible we may come to a place where russia will want to extract from this crisis? >> we are not in a crisis. ukraine is in a crisis. the united states asked us, tend to ukraine out of the crisis and we told them what the approach should be. cousin to show reform. >> the president thinks it is a crisis. annie europe thinks is it a crisis. they are ratcheting up sanctions. and they believe they will have an impact.

a do not believe the russian economy is in that good of shape. >> i do not know if there was any sanctions without one russian bank was sanctioned because of the name isn't russia. sanctions because of one russian bank was sanctioned because the name is russia. me thatre saying to sanctions will not have an influence on president putin's decisions and the future about this region? >> it will not. >> what kind of lives will be united states have? >> it will only complicate things. including on ukraine where it is most needed. >> here is henry kissinger talk about vladimir putin's personality. a man who looks at his personality.

and certainly a geopolitical struggle. --my relation with putin relation with putin, i sat next to him when he was deputy mayor of st. petersburg and i said to , i said to him, you as an b person, can you tell me and thenchev rejected gave it next to nothing six months later? a hugelynsidered that significant remark. [indiscernible] very significant remark. is that russia --

because of the and competence of 300leaders and a gave up years of its history and right back to where they started. he, he wants to restore. >> how does he carry that agenda? -- you said you do not believe he wants to take over. bloc ofnts a eurasian states of the former soviet union. underse is available thefringe -- under the fringes of it. and then a chance to play with europe and asia. russia --ive him

>> what do you make of the eurasian idea? >> dr. kissinger is absolutely right. pursuing we have been for a number of years. the target is to create this euro asian economic union by 2020. and new countries are joining. we think it will be very important to come on the project which will allow our countries to come to an economic level where we can be interacting with the european union more as it will partners will stop the problem -- >> that is at the heart of it. as equal partners and you do not feel like you are an equal partner. an equal partner in more than equal with others. it is important not only politically. his interest is not political but economical. ukrainenteract with the

, you are supposed to, they join the association agreement. it will be a jew euro plummet and their economy will suffer. associate be a junior and their economy will suffer. there is a national tragedy. we do not want the same thing. we do not want to be subordinated. how we coulddea of interact with the european union. >> it is that the baltic countries are worried that russia will come after them. some nato countries. >> all of them are nato countries. going to comeot after because that will call the treaty in efax. if ukraine have been a member of nato, russia would've kept its hands off. >> this a hypothetical conversation. concerned, the baltic countries would going to

the ocean. [laughter] >> i like that. >> we are talking about -- i care about baltic countries. i have been there a long time ago. they have this psychic -- psychological thing and they need to overcome that. they depend heavily on russia for economic corporation. >> why are all of the troops on the border? y 20,000? crimea.0 are in let me explain. according to the agreement, our black sea fleet, we could have as many as 25,000 troops. even now, we got 20,000 troops. there were reinforcements after the trouble started from the level in february. clearly, we are below the level.

sure.l thousand i am some people are concerned about the situation in western parts of russia on the ukraine. the military asked us to do inspections. an inspection. would've allowed them the inspections so they can see for themselves there is no military threat gathering on in eastern borders. >> henry kissinger again. he does have relationship with putin and he understands his experiences a great in these kind of matters. he said it the ideal outcome would be to look at ukraine as a bridge with east and west rather than involving the countries in the struggle between the two, does it make sense to you? >> absolutely. he should've spoken more to the europeans and went to brussels. they do not have a clue. they do not have a strategy. about, theywarnings

do not know about the consequences will be. theydo not seem to be -- have visited the european union and there they ratified policy. as you know how this policy is being formed. they do not have [indiscernible] world. parts of the it is regrettable and we are paying the price. russians' actions. >> it includes angela merkel. as i do not want to name names. she is not running the european union. decisions formulating , so i do not want to do finger-pointing. ukraine wasd in shoreside and provocative on unnecessary and unprofessional. >> is the president disappointed by her actions? >> i cannot talk for the

president. >> you think will find a diplomatic solution along the lines in ukraine can be stabilized and there can be a bridge between east and west and have relationship with eu and an understanding about the relationship with russia and everything will be fine? >> that is what we are hoping for and working for. >> not some omission by vladimir putin to restore what considers the glory over the soviet union? >> we are much more pragmatic. and thes on the rise fact the crimea has been incorporated into russia willcting the historical of the people is an element of the spiritual of russia along with olympics which were defective. -- which were effective. we are on a verizon. we do not need foreign adventures. -- we are on your rise.

>> what does it mean we say you are on the rise? >> we are a stable country. a country that has big plans for the future. >> what are they? >> i described in some detail. building a stronger russia. >> that is the point, too. the united states is saying the following. russia needs a strong economy to have the role it wants in the world. if it continues this kind of saw in -- conduct as we crimea, what will happen is the ande will be as a bully today will ratchet up the sanctions because they learned how to do sanctions if there is cooperation between the united states and europe. and if this could be something that would do great -- are met your description

of the rise of russia. >> instead of for making all of the rest, maybe the united dotes should -- and they can something about their national debt. it is a bubble. >> you think your economy is as strong? >> our economy is different. we do not have national debt. solid.nomy is very we are probably one of the strongest any europe. the european union have 25% -- >> take away your energy and where are you? >> burdens they can not successfully carry on. stronger, weaker -- >> this is a reality. can a pragmatic minded force you to say we have to be careful here and make sure no misunderstandings because it -- >> we all need to be careful.

it is the world. increasingly chaotic. i talked to my colleagues in the united nations from arab and african countries. they are quite scared about what they see. after this the democratic campaign, does not exist an integral state anymore. there's complete chaos in many countries in africa and southern sudan is overflowing with blood. iraq is disintegrated. syria is on the verge. they are very concerned. the only way to deal with those having concerted action from key members of the international community and russia is one of those members. that andinto if we do you will do that, we'll all be harmed. russia might be in a better position than others to live

through those difficult times. the world would be pleased to hear you say that. some people worry if in fact there's a ratcheting up of tensions between united states and russia tom a you will see -- russia, youn will see less cooperation on syria and iran and other parts of the world. go totook place, it might make the possibility of solving those or reducing the danger of those conflicts. >> you are absolutely. it is not our choice. >> is it at risk? , we are noturrently at risk. no objective reason for a major falling out between russia and the united states or the european union. however, if they start acting out all of those you are describing, some things will become inevitable. international relations will

become much more less governable than they are with the current situation which has been described. >> thank you. >> my pleasure. ♪

>> larry page cofounded google with sergey brin in a 1998. they had a mission to organize information. larry page became ceo in 2011. google is doing that and much more. that android system is the most popular mobile platform. perseus project from self driving cars to bring the internet to the entire world. they went public in 2004. it's a market cap is over 300 billion dollars. i spoke to larry page as the tech conference on wednesday. larry sent me an e-mail that basically said we have to make sure that we do not seem like we are a couple of middle-aged am a boring -- middle-aged, boring men.

i said i am flattered by that. [laughter] because i am a bit older. more net he has a bit worth than i do. >> thank you. abouthave a conversation internet and a conversation about the google and about search and privacy and also about your philosophy in the sense of how you connected the dots and have the journey that began some time ago. such interesting prospects. we want to talk about the future. google first. >> i feel like i'm in a special --ss of people that cannot [indiscernible] edward snowden and it is interesting. >> that is right. we will take pride in it that, we? we -- won't

where is google and where is he going? >> something we think about a lot. our mission we defined is to andnize world's information make it universally accessible and useful. people say, is that what you guys are still doing? and i think about that myself and i am not sure. actually, when i think about search, is such a deeper thing for all of us. to understand what you want in the world's information. we are still very much in their early stages of that which is totally crazy. i've been at it for 15 years already. it is not at all done. >> when it is done, how will it be? >> i guess thinking about where we are going, why is it not done? computing is a mess. the computer does not know where

you are and what you are doing and what you know. a lot of what we have tried to do recently is making the devices work and people understand your contacts, google now knows where you are and what you might need. and just getting all of that to work. recently we did chrome we are working on televisions. announced android wear for wearables. anding in understanding you understanding the information. we have not really done that yet. >> when you look at what google is doing, where does the mind set? >> a company we just acquired recently from the u.k., the way we got there which was looking at search and really understanding and trying to understand everything and making

the computers not clunky and understanding you. like voice was really important. speech recognition. it is not very good. >> when you look at all of the boxing and deeper mind, a part of where we are going is artificial intelligence. where are we when you look at that? , one of theor me most exciting things i have seen in a long time. i started this company as a neuroscience and computer science. studying the brain. having seen a lot of exciting work going on in a neuroscience in terms of understanding what it takes to make somebody smart. do interesting things. >> where is the level of it now and how fast are we moving? >> this is state of the art

right now. understanding you to -- youtube and improving speech recognition and approval things incrementally. for me, this example is exciting. it is one program and i can do a lot of different things. >> we have the image of the cat. this is how machines look at what they came up with. can you see the cat? designed by machines, sina by machines. .> just watching youtube no notion of the cat. concept of the cat is something important as you would understand the machines can understand. started with search, understanding people's contacts and information. showing quickly on that. >> ♪

[applause] video ising about the we found the gentleman. i talk to people about you, people say larry wants to

change the world and he believes technology can show the way. that means access to the internet has to do with languages and also means how people can get access and do things that will affect their communities. this is an example. >> that is right. focusing on access a more. talking about the future. we recently used balloons. it sounds totally crazy. i can show the video. two out of three people in the world would not have internet access now. we think this will really help people. balloon?a below? -- >> yeah. >> why does it give you access to the internet? you had find out a way to make

balloons connect. they do not have to be tethered. >> before we started working, it is how to get access point of high cheaply. normally you do satellites and it takes a long time to watch it down. how do you watch a balloon and get it up? as far as the internet, i did a search. ago, a balloon going around the earth several times. i thought why can't we do that today? >> are you at the mercy of the wind? dids it turns out, we weather simulations which had not been done before. if you control the altitude which you do by pumping air, you can control roughly where they are. we think we can build a worldwide mesh of balloons that

can cover the whole planet. >> transportation. where you have been a nerd for a while. and automated cars and bicycles. let me talk about the subject with edward snowden. it is security and privacy. you have to have been thinking about that. but absolutely. -- >>the teacher of absolutely and i saw the picture of sergey brin with edward. privacy and security are very important things. we think about it. capi think you cannot privacy without security. let me talk about security first. you asked about snowden and all of that. me, it isor disappointing that the government secretly did all of this stuff it did not tell us. i do not think we can have a democracy if we are having to protect our users from the government from stuff we never

had a conversation about. we do not have to know what the factor or protecting us from a but we do need to know what the parameters of it are and what kind of surveillance the government is going to do and how and why. we have not had that conversation. the government has done a tremendous disservice. >> there is a privacy side of it. >> the privacy side, the world is changing. [indiscernible] there's so much more information about you. and that is an important thing and it makes sense for asking difficult questions. we spent a lot of time thinking about this and what the issues are. and i thinke bit -- the main thing we need to do is provide people with choice and

show them the data is being collected and search history and location data. incognito mode. doing that in more ways a given people more choices and awareness of what is going on. it is very easy. what i am worried about is -- [indiscernible] i lost my voice. i have not gotten it back. hopefully, talking to you i will get it back. >> if i could do anything, i would do that. >> whatever you need to do. i look at the public and all of this information we will survey on medical conditions of people with similar issues. asook at medical records say, wouldn't it be amazing if everybody's medical records were available anonymously to research doctors?

when somebody accesses your ,edical records, they concede you could see which doctors had access and why and maybe learn. could save a hundred million lives this year. [applause] that the very worried same thing we are doing with medical records, we are not really thinking about the tremendous good that could come from people sharing information with the right people in the right ways. ofis a necessary condition people have to have confidence that their information will not be abused. >> with my voice, i was shared to skip -- i was scared to share it. encourage me. we have gotten thousands of

people with similar conditions which there is no data on. it is a really good thing. >> talk about the future. what is it with you and transportation? , -- i mean, when i was in michigan in college and i had to get on the bus and it was cold. avenueo research for the became obsessed with transportation. >> that begin the idea of an automated car? >> i learned about people working on automated cars and i became fascinated with that. it takes a lot to get the project going. i am super excited about the improving theand world. there are 20 million people or more injured per year. the leading cause of death for people under 34 in the u.s. >> your talk about saving lives?

>> yeah and making life a better. los angeles is parking lots and ds, half in the area. in most cities are not far behind. it is crazy. i think we can be very very soon. over 100,000 miles now totally automated. excited.i am super >> it is not only -- you do not know how many cars that you also have the idea for bicycles. >> at google we got to the idea we should provide free bikes. most of the trips, bikes are going everywhere. they wear out. >> you want to put them above the streets? >> how do we get people to use a bikes more? >> we have a video. >> let's show the video.

i got excited about this. >> ♪ >> [laughter] >> it looks totally crazy. i was thinking about our campus. and getting more bike usage. i was thinking about how separating it from the traffic? if you your imagination going. >> let me close with this. get me the sense of the philosophy of your own mind. you do not simply want to go in some a small, measurable arena progress. >> yeah, i seeing many of the things we talked about are

concept.he economic which means we are doing something that would not happen unless you are actually doing it. you can do things like that, the bigger impact you have. things thatr doing people may not think are possible. the more i learn about technology, the more i realize i do not. that is because the technological horizon, the thing you can see to do next. the more you learn about technology, the more you learn what is possible. you learned the balloons are possible. >> what is interesting about you for me is lots of people are thinking about the future. they are going and looking at it, and back. we never see the implementation. somebody you knew and read

about, the principal of that for you is what? >> intervention is not enough of. if you invent something, wonderful. electrical power struggle to get out. and other people, it took a long time. and we can actually combine both sinks. innovation and venture focused. a company that can really commercialize things and get them to people in a way that is positive and to get people hope. i am amazed with the balloon project, how exciting people were about that. it gave them hope. world does not have internet right now. >> the second thing about corporations. you believe corporations are an agent of change if they are run well. companiesople think are basically evil.

they get a bad rap. that is somewhat correct. copies are doing the same incremental things they did it years ago. it is not really what we need. technology, we need revolutionary change. >> you once said i think i got this about right, you might consider instead of giving your money instead of leaving it to a giving it to elon musk because you have confidence he would change the future. ,> if you want to go to mars backup humanity. as a company and a philanthropic will.ost -- philanthropic we have a lot of employees who become a pretty wealthy. people make a lot of money. a lot of people in the room are pretty wealthy. you are wealthy because you want

to change the world and make a batter. why is it in the company you work for matching it, your money as well? we do not have a concept of that. that is not how we think of companies and it is sad because companies promote most of our efforts. where people's time and a lot of money is. we need to help out more. this question when i close out conversations. what quality of mind is it that has served you best, people like rupert murdoch has a curiosity. bill gates, warren buffett have said -- what quality of mind as i leave the audience has enabled you to think about the future and at the same time, change the present? >> the most important thing, i looked at a lot of companies. why they do not succeed over time is what do they

fundamentally do wrong? what do they all do wrong? usually not looking to the future. and i think for me, i try to focus on that and say, what is that future really going to be and how do we create it? and how do cause our organization to really focus on that and drive that? curiosity, looking at things people may not look at and working on things no one else is working on. that is where it is. and being willing to do that and take that risk. looking at android, i felt guilty. when it was started, it was a little start up we bought. not really what we were working on. i felt guilty about spending time on that. how stupid.

>> it is great to see you here and here from you and a pleasure. thank you, larry. [applause] ♪

>> this is "taking stock" for monday, march 24th. 2014. i am carol massar in for pimm fox. for the next couple of days my co-anchor will be bill cohen. you are a regular contributor and we talk about a lot of things. >> we are going to have a great time. >> we are. we are going to talk about the theme for today and that is change specifically. one of the topics is health care. president obama ran his initial presidential campaign calling for change. health care is a big one. >> no question. yo