>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." mindy kaling is the star of "the mindy project." the comedy series returns to fox tuesday and has just been

renewed for a third season. she is also the show's creator and coexecutive producer. welcome. >> thank you. >> there is a measure of stardom in this building. a whole lot of young people who work here, busy behind computers and other kinds of machines. when they converge on the floor where i have my studio, you know that something special is going on between you and those people. what do you think it is? >> i am so excited to hear that. >> what do you represent? >> i think for young women, particularly minority women, i have the job that i have, it is exciting for them. i try not to think about it too much because i have too many other things to do, but being

the first indian-american woman with your own show, and the show is not particularly about race, it is really exciting to people. i love that. >> what is it about? >> what is the show about? it is about being a better person. someone who is flawed and selfish and boy crazy and is terrified of aging, who is professionally busy and accomplished, but who is fixated on things that are a little bit beneath her intelligence. i know plenty of women who are college-educated, doctors, lawyers, professors, who candidly want to get married and they have great lives and have money, and they have great relationships with their friends and want to get married.

there is an embarrassment you feel, but it exists. >> i knew a little bit about you preparing for this conversation. and you know a little bit about me. you seem like a person i would really like to know. we talked about magazine covers and observations about life. i think that is part of what you have. people feel like they are interested in what you say and who you are because there is an authenticity about you. >> that is very kind of you. that is such a nice compliment. the nicest thing that i hear, and i hear it a lot, women saying they wished that i was their best friend. >> i wish you were my best friend. >> i do not hear it from straight men that often. that is very nice to hear. >> here is your book -- "is everyone hanging out without me?"

here is "elle" magazine. all of this suggests that you created your own thing and they came to you. >> i am very proud of the way i have made my way. i do feel that i -- my mother was a surgeon and my father is an architect. they grew up in indiana -- they met in africa and they came here. no people on tv on my side of the family. i was blessed to have parents who loved jerry seinfeld, bill cosby, george carlin. i just -- i really feel this is -- this will make me sound 1000 years old, but this could only happen in america and i am weirdly patriotic because my parents are immigrants and i feel so unbelievably lucky. it just came from grit.

you probably don't hear many 34-year-old women talking about their own grit, but -- my mother, who is an ob/gyn, worked backbreakingly hard to have a career here. i never saw either of my parents growing up because of how hard they worked. i applied that to entertainment and it worked. it makes me feel good about the country because i could not have done this in india. >> what is the vision for "the mindy project?" >> i love romantic comedies. what is silly and wonderful about them.

recently, the focus is on romance and not comedy at all. now it is about romance and silliness and girls wearing fancy dresses and falling into cakes. i came up from "the office" and a group of very hard comedy writers -- >> which you are one. >> i believe in hard joke writing. you are in the trenches. to have a show with a female lead and people often say that i am very girly, i take such pride in writing jokes. it is a very old-fashioned thing. it is something that mel brooks did.

sid caeser did. tina fey. >> what is the hard joke? >> i will tell you what is not. a lot of shows coast on attitude and it is irreverent attitude, which is interesting. hard joke, to me, makes you laugh out loud. a lot of comedies that i watch -- i am not saying that my show would make you laugh out loud. i think it is funny. a show that sounds like there was a crafted joke. >> well-written, people know that it has been finely tuned. seinfeld has said to me, it is not easy. he stopped the show because it was so hard. nbc wanted to load up the truck and drop money on you. -- on him.

i was writing on christmas eve last year, i do not want to be doing that this year. it is hard. >> especially when someone is a master of jokes. louis ck, he is one of the funniest people ever born. seinfeld does not let you in at all. he lives or dies by the business of his jokes and they are so good. >> where are you in that arc? between letting you in and not letting you in? >> the character on the show is very wild and parties. i am very different from her. on the show last year, she had nine boyfriends on the show.

i have only know nine men in my whole life. i like that about the character. i am more retiring. >> does stardom change that? >> i do not know that i have stardom. i am on the cover of this, but in general -- >> do you know, people would kill to be on the cover of "elle" magazine? fashion magazines, they tell you >> i love it. fashion magazines, they tell you not to smile and you do look much more alluring. adjectives like a alluring and mysterious, you live your whole life to be told that you are alluring. that is why i like that cover because, while beautiful, it is not a representation of what my personality is like. >> here is what bj novak said. he said, she is a gangster. >> i love that.

>> what do you think he meant? >> i do not think he meant this in a bad way. there are some very masculine aspects of my personality. >> determined, driven. >> decisive. i think people were surprised how decisive i was. we do not see that in women. especially in women. decisiveness without disclaimers. it can seem very curt. i notice a lot of women, i feel like that might be a good option, although i see both sides of it.

i am not like that at all. in a man, it seems natural and inspires confidence. in a woman, it can seem brusque. i wish i was not that way. i cannot help it. i am impatient, which is another gangster quality, did you ever see "the september issue"? it is a documentary about anna wintour. they asked her, what makes you a good leader? the timing was perfect. without hesitation, she said my decisiveness. people think she is cold and i bet it is because they're scared by her certainty. she is one of the great minds. >> i just interviewed larry page and i think he would say the same thing. do not let perfect be the enemy of good. >> i love that. that is a very -- i want to memorize that so i can justify my nature. >> tell me about dr. mindy lahiri. >> she is -- i love her and i think she is an incredibly

original character because she is politically all over the map. she has streaks of libertarianism. i thought of alec baldwin in "30 rock." my character says things like, i do not like that america recycles. i think it makes us look poor. she has that kind of energy. she has a conviction of knowing things are correct because she knows that things are correct. >> could you make her more interesting? is it possible to make her more interesting because she has the background and has looks the way she does? >> my character could not exist if she was not indian. if i were being played by a thin beautiful blonde woman, you

might find it incredibly insufferable. i have the trappings of a marginalized person and that person is saying all over the map things, she is constantly insisting that she is young and hot to everyone. i am a smoking hot doctor who makes a lot of money, why can't i meet anybody? she has this confidence that is so delusional. >> it is not my fault, it is somebody else's fault. >> she is very plucky and people cannot get her down. >> here is a clip from the premiere episode coming up on april 1. >> you to get out of here and go do something useful. scram. do you see this? i want you to show me what you did to cliff last night.

show me. >> this is dumb. his arm -- i don't know, here, and his hand was a bit cupped. >> on your breast? >> in that region. i did not sleep with cliff, i slept next to cliff. because he was very sad. >> nothing major happened? >> i massaged his jeans. >> was he in his jeans. >> cliff might have my hand, but you have my heart. >> you write the eulogy by yourself.

unless you sprained your hand last night. >> that is her. tell me about the relationship with danny. >> danny is another doctor that works in the office. they had a very adversarial relationship, but over the course of two years has become very friendly and there has been a sexual tension building. his character is incredibly strong and confident, very masculine. he is unbelievable. he had not done a lot of comedy when i first approached him. he was in "damages," playing a soldier in iraq. there is something about his intensity. it was so masculine and so tough, i thought it played very well with my energy. it turned out to be correct because we have good chemistry. >> all of the cameos, james franco, did they come out of your mind? >> we are very lucky because it is a dating show and so many of

my friends who are writers and creators are men who are writers and creators could be people i dated. james franco was so funny and very strange on the show. he is wonderful. seth rogen. we have a lot of writer-performers who play my boyfriend. >> does your success represent anything about diversity? anything about the possibilities of expanding the world of women in comedy? >> i hope so. even when i started on "the office," and that was nine years ago, there were not that many female-led comedy shows. several of my favorite shows,

like "30 rock," "veep." not only are they led by women, they have created their own shows. being a dark-skinned minority, i hope there are more women who look like me who have their own shows. kerry washington on "scandal" -- that is a hit show, actually. >> what do you think of lena dunham? >> i love her. >> love her or the character? >> on purpose, the character is hard to love. that is a very interesting and selfish character. >> because she is an exhibitionist? >> that has never bothered me. she is like my character, supremely confident in a way where she does not have the goods to back it up. lena is a true artist.

she is not setting out to do a sitcom. she is setting out to do a show that she likes that happens to be really funny. sometimes i feel a little old for that show. she is nine years younger than me. i think i'm in the target audience, i think the show -- it is a very frank show. i am on a network show about romance and love. me personally? nudity and sexual situations, i am just the way that i was raised, very shy around it. my parents were not distinguished artists. >> she grew up in an environment that was much more accepting of -- >> she grew up in manhattan with artist parents. i did not have that same experience.

i'm not always comfortable watching it, but i love it. originality, there is nothing like it on television. originality is the most important thing on any show. lena is such a lightning rod. whatever you will say about her, no one is doing it and only she can do it. >> did you realize that about yourself an early age? >> i do not know if i looked for it. i saw dave chapelle on your show and you were talking about the essence of funny. i know this will sound cocky, but there are people who are funny. i felt in my life that when people are drawn to me and my

opinions, it has always been the things that are less effortful. to be kind of the new money child of immigrants and i am very patriotic and i have this strange mix of qualities, love comedy, love glitz. all of those things, i am blessed with an original point of view. if i stay true to it and what i really love, people respond to it. there are not a lot of people like me. there are girls who like the show, but it is reaching them and that is one of the nicest things about the show. it is resonating for people who are not the child of indian immigrants. >> is it a logical extension of "the office"? >> greg daniels is my mentor, brilliant. the type of writers on my show are very similar. i run the room the same way.

it is such a different show. that was a mockumentary. my show was not at all like that. what is beautiful is beautiful. what is beautiful is beautiful. people have nice clothing, they have money, it is in new york city. i run the room in the same way. i think there is a lot of similarity. >> you learned what from carell? >> on "the office," i was number 14 on the call sheet. 13 actors that precede me in importance. in hollywood, it is nice, because they openly say things like that. steve is number one. when you are number 14 and you

are on a show for eight years, you do not have that many lines, so you listen. i am in the long scenes where steve is in the room, offending every person. some of the lines i wrote -- i wrote 25 episodes of "the office." i watched him and it was like going to graduate school. i don't care if you are the least funny person in the world, if you spent eight years with steve carell, you become funny. i think you pick up comedy cadences. ed helms was on that show. by osmosis, how could you not be funny when steve carell is doing that for so long? no one has ever told me i was not confident. i will say what i thought was so great about being an indian woman and being on the show, there were things that steve did that i believe i am straight up

copying. it does not translate as copying. that is one of the great benefits. >> is that part of what the characters see, it is this confidence? you are looking for a relationship and looking for love, but there is a confidence about mindy? that is what young women identify with. they can almost project. that is the attitude i would like to have. >> she never gets upset. many people, every episode, tell her that she is overweight, not acting professionally. the things that typically make women feel less than or

powerless, being told they are fat or ugly or too old. they tend not to affect her and i love that i can play that character. she is a little delusional and she does a lot of terrible things, but that particular sensitivity does not affect her. if women can look to that or me because i weirdly, often, i read comments about me -- i think this comes from my mother. both of my parents were hyper-educated. people can tell you you are fat or ugly, but if people tell you you are not smart, that is the worst. it cuts the deepest. they put a premium on education, first of all.

that is truly a shamefull thing, to be uneducated. >> what do your parents think of all of this? >> my father delights in it. the show is racy -- he does not mind it. my mother would have loved it. she passed away two years ago, but she would have loved it. my mother was unimpressed by almost everything. she loved "the office," and she would give me her honest opinion when she did not think it was funny. >> you could accept it -- >> my mom was very glamorous and formidable. when she said something to me, she would never tell me a compliment unless it was 100% true. she was one of those people where you believed them inherently. you start wondering if people around you are telling you things you want to hear. she was that person for me more than anybody.

she would have loved it. she would've had her list of suggestions, but i think she would have really liked it. >> 2.8 million followers on twitter. 2.8 million. is that something with great urgency you wanted to have, a strong presence in social media? >> no, and i think -- i am 34 and i think i am just a little bit aged out -- i still think of social media as -- i am a little suspicious of it and i love twitter, but i think of it as a trifle. i did not have at the time when they could have been important.

i got into twitter at age 30 as opposed to age 16. i love it, but it seems like bubblegum to me. to put any importance on social media is not a good use of time. when people submit scripts -- >> 2.8 million followers. >> i guess i am just really funny, charlie. >> when you dream, what do you dream? when you think about what might be, what do you think? is it oprah-like? >> wow.

i want so much. that is the problem, i have too many desires. it is a good thing that i am hindu because my desires of what my ambitions encompass are many more lives than i have right now. i want too much. it is why i cannot stick to a diet because i want to try that and i want to try that. it is the same thing with my career. i look at oprah and i think yes, that is pretty amazing. and then i look at woody allen or wes anderson who do not produce anybody else's work. jj abrams, who does a lot of other people's works, and directs. >> every platform. >> and i want kids. i am great -- younger versions of me should be around. i do not know how i will do it all. my eyes have always been bigger than my stomach. >> i have not heard that since my mother told me that. >> it is something older women say.

>> it is something older women say. it is something that older women say. it is not something a young television actress should say, but i do feel that way. i would love to direct something that i wrote. >> thank you for coming. >> of course, thank you for having me. ♪

>> john feinstein has written about sports for more than 30 years -- and written well. he is also a radio host and a commentator on the golf channel. his latest book takes us behind the scenes of life in the minor leagues of baseball. it is called, "where nobody knows your name." i am pleased to have him at this table. this is number 30? >> 32. >> what is important to know about minor league baseball? >> you are dealing with guys who are extraordinary baseball players. sometimes we forget that because we focus on superstars who are making multimillion dollar contracts. the guys at that next level are 100 levels above guys like you and me. i played high school baseball. just to get to that point where you are in aaa --

>> what is the difference between the best of aaa in baseball and the average player in the majors? >> it is usually one thing. do you have power in a major league ballpark? can you hit a breaking pitch on the outside corner and take it to the opposite field? if you are a pitcher, can you throw a changeup? it is one small thing, one small weakness. it is an inability to do something at the elite level. sometimes guys get injured and they do not throw as hard as they used to. do you remember mark pryor who pitched for the cubs? he was on the mound for that famous game in 2003.

i was at a game in lehigh valley and he was trying to make it back as a middle relief pitcher. he has had injuries. as he is jogging in from the bullpen, the promotion was whack an intern. it is a box. two fans take plastic bats and whack the intern. while they are playing that game, in walks mark pryor. no one even sees. nobody knows your name here no matter who you once were. >> not only that, the mode of transportation and the privileges are quite different. there are huge tangible differences. the minimum salary for a major-league player is $500,000 a year. most minor leaguers make under $100,000. if you have been around a long

time, you might get up around $100,000. in the major leagues, they stay in the four seasons and the ritz. in the minor leagues, you carry your bags and you have a roommate. brett tompko, trying to make a comeback at 41, said the food in a major-league clubhouse is not that different from the food in a minor-league clubhouse, but it tastes different. >> what is the average length of a major-league career? >> it is probably 6, 7, 8 years. the great one stick around for 15 or 20 years. it is a much longer career than football. what is interesting, the number of guys in their 30's who are still in aaa, who have been to

the major leagues briefly, guys i encountered in this book. i mentioned. pryor. others who tried to get back to the major leagues. willis was the rookie of the year with the marlins and he was trying to get back to the major leagues. >> what percentage of them make it back? >> probably one in four or five. once you make it to aaa, your chances are one in three. you have to be really good to be drafted.

your chances are about 3% of ever getting into the major leagues. >> are their stories of somebody who was in the minors, makes it to the majors and is a huge star? >> there are guys like that who are late bloomers. they stay in the minor leagues for a long time. nate made it to the majors early and was an all-star, but ended up in the minors, but was released by the pittsburgh pirates. he got signed by the orioles to go to norfolk. he got hot in norfolk. he got called up to the orioles and he ended up starting in left field. this winter, signed a two-year contract with washington. for $11 million. that is the kind of hope that keeps guys going. >> final four? i know you do not predict who will win. >> i am always wrong. >> and you vote with your heart. >> i still think duke is going to make it. >> i always have them win because if they do win, it would be great.

who looks strong to you? give me a sense of what we should look for. you have kentucky coming of age. >> one game does not mean they are coming of age. i am not buying into kentucky. they finally show the talent that they have. it was a ridiculous draw for wichita state. they are a young, immature team. when you recruit one-and-done players -- >> compare that to mercer. >> mercer started five seniors in every single game. they were men and they played like it. he went into the dressing room to congratulate them.

it stuns me that people actually criticized him for that. whatever he does, right or wrong, it comes from here. >> that is his nature, to respect somebody. >> he is the best loser i have ever met. he is better with dealing with losing than anybody. >> how good is at coaching? >> he is very good at coaching. i like florida a lot. they have not lost a game all year. they have four seniors. that is a pretty good motivation. they have a wonderful point guard. bill donovan knows how to coach. >> the book again, "where nobody knows your name." ♪ lily cole is a 26-year-old former honors graduate of cambridge. she created a website called impossible.com. it functions as an online social platform that allows users to post their wishes and help fulfill the dreams of others. it launched in may of 2013 at cambridge university and it

makes its u.s. debut this month. the internet still faces battles over access and control in places like china and the middle east. the nsa faces criticism as it tries to balance respect for internet privacy with its concerns over u.s. security. joining lily cole is jonathan zittrain and david kirkpatrick. he is also the author of the best-selling book "the facebook effect." i am pleased to have all of them here at this table. we begin with lily. tell me about where this came from and what you hope to achieve? >> impossible began as a student idea three years ago. a friend and i were talking about the economy and it was postrecession and we were talking about why it is that when economies falter, societies

automatically falter. we all still have the same amount of skills. we were discussing communities and the fact that society is so complicated that it is often very hard to see the opportunities. i grew up in london and i lived in new york. you cannot see the opportunities to move things around. what if there was an internet platform that would do just that? i was in my last year of university and for the next six months, became obsessed with the idea and wondering why something that seemed to be quite simple did not exist. i started to research the concepts of the gift economy and became very inspired by what i continue to recognize as the social value the gift economy might offer.

i went on this journey trying to build it. >> put this in the context of what is going on in the internet. >> i can think of two things that connect. gift economy is a phrase we are hearing a lot lately and it is probably worth dividing it up further into two sections. those services that allow people who are not normally in the business of selling things to be able to sell or barter. ridesharing services, lend out your car or a room in your house. that is one thing, but it is an emphasis on economy. i think the kind of stuff lily is talking about is more on the gift side and it has to do with people able to efficiently make connection with one another in a way that is meaningful. they come away happier for having given something. i would put wikipedia in that

category. they are pleasantly surprised at just how well it could work and that leads to my second observation, which is much of the internet infrastructure, the real stuff was built along the lines of that second kind of gift economy. the people who designed internet protocol decided not to patent or copyright it. it is probably telling -- it is much harder to lock down your wi-fi station than to leave it open. >> this is a part of the internet and part of the economy which is not transactional. you give something, you want to make a contribution. >> if you do that and someone else does the same to you, you will still get a return.

>> is this a kinship to kickstarter? they are doing something they believe this thing they support will do something good. >> i thought what she is doing has a lot in common with kickstarter. >> structurally, they are different. they serve two different purposes. in terms of how kickstarter disrupts how things can be funded and conventional economics, it empowers people for that process and brings people together for a reason other than transactional reasons. >> gives me a person who would use this and a person who would receive benefit from this.

>> the way people post, it is written like a tweet. the only ground rule, everything is done for free. thereby, it becomes very open. some people have been using it for advice. some people have been giving products. >> what is it you want to do? you went to cambridge and did well. you were a model and you did well. you have had small roles in certain movies. you have created a website. what is it you want to do? >> i am driven by two things, one is creativity. i am doing a play this summer. and will continue that. and then i have a vein in me that is very socially driven. environmentally driven. that has been an ongoing

process. impossible relates to some of the work i have done previously through fashion. by working in fashion, i started looking at supply chain issues and trying to speak for the power of transparency and speed to the idea that consumers have a huge impact on the world by the way they spend their money. the idea of voting with your money. i worked at the body shop for a few years without grounding. -- with that grounding. i also founded a company in the u.k. the point was to try to create a connection between producers and consumers. >> it may also be because people

have decided to treat other people's interest as their own. >> that is why a platform that is generative can go in any number of directions. the best directions, if people bring to an expectation of something interesting, something unusual, they will meet someone, not just i may get a guitar lesson. i will be in some new frame of human interaction that is safe and fun and fulfilling, that would be great. it is the general case of couchsurfing.net. people were going to give up their couches for no particular reason? i will go to a foreign country

and sleep on someone's couch? priming the pump with lily personally, she is in the public eye, she has a good measure of celebrity, a lot of people are fans of hers and they are looking for some way to express their energy. >> you have said that the internet is facing a major battle for its soul. between its social control vs rich vs poor. >> that is the consequence of something becoming so truly global, connecting all of humanity, which becomes a platform of all of the impulses of humanity. lily's work has idealism in the forefront.

a lot of the things that are embedded in impossible -- in my book about facebook, zuckerberg talked to me about the native american ceremony where all of the members in the communities put anything they have to this common pool and anyone can take what they need. he felt that facebook was representative of a similar set of impulses, and by posting your ideas on facebook, you are contributing something to the common shared resource that people could extract what was good for them. many people find that very unlike what they see facebook to be today. that kind of idealistic impulse is at the root of a lot of the big internet companies that we see today. even a company like microsoft has some of it in its dna. we have people like vladimir putin playing a role in the

world today that is so frightening. he is also able to exercise power in a different way because of this universal form of communication. it can be an instrument of control as well as an instrument of freedom. >> you wrote a book called "the future of the internet and how to stop it." what is it we need to stop? >> we need to stop of movement that happens when early idealism gives way to a swing of the pendulum towards a form of defensiveness and cynicism because a few bad apples can ruin things. figuring out what to do when things become important enough to be worth subverting is a puzzle that every successful generative technology faces.

wikipedia has to deal with vandals. that is what i worry about for the internet. what starts very good can end up becoming too powerful. >> even in our own country, the fact that we have these extraordinarily ambitious companies that have achieved so much, like amazon, facebook, google, etcetera, and at the same time, we have a government that has chosen to use the internet subversively and, in many people's opinion, illegally. those companies find it worrisome because it reduces trust in the use of the internet at a very fundamental level. you want to talk about the battle between good and evil, it is right in front of our eyes.

>> i see all of the problems you are talking about. the biggest problem facing the internet is giving as many people on the planet access as possible. >> a number of the usual suspect firms would happily agree with you because those are markets they want to reach as much as anybody and i agree that is the challenge. we need to keep an eye on when they have access, what is it they will be getting access to? an unfiltered internet? with what device will they be accessing? >> do you believe a filtered internet is better than no internet? >> if i am offered a stark choice, you bet i want the filtered internet. i would also rather have it with a box i can hack. >> an awareness of what the government is doing. >> i would love to preserve an ecosystem where people are not just faced with that choice.

it is up to us to try to produce a full loaf which is why media companies should be really engaged with efforts to get their bids out, even if they are filtered on the receiving side. >> the idea of farmers in africa being able to use the internet to get some kind of sense of where the weather is, it seems to me to be such a leap forward. >> this is zuckerberg's top project right now, internet.org. he believes it is a human right for everyone to have access to basic internet services, which might include weather, wikipedia, social media. >> access to medical.

>> larry page is contributing to it too, with his balloons. access to medical, a lot of these companies are working toward this goal. we have seen markets on their own do some amazing with the dissemination of cell phones to a surprisingly large amount of people. >> an interesting web index, we talked about the measures of country by country access, how much it is surveyed, and it has a long way to go. >> this is the 25th anniversary of the web. >> it does not look a day over 50. >> how did we ever live without it? >> i hope we do not have to find out. ♪

>> live from pier three in san francisco, welcome to "bloomberg west," i'm emily chang. with our editor-at-large, cory johnson. two big stories we are following, apple and samsung going back to court, same judge. a different case. we will explain why things are so different in the trial. the damage will be in the billions but there will be some different details with the patents. >> also sitting down with arianna huffington. we will speak about her new book and the latest about the relationship between huffpo and