>> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> we continue with our

coverage on ukraine. warned thisul has is real, this is war. joining me from stanford university. welcome. >> thanks, charlie. >> what did you mean when you said this is war, this is real? was looking at the fighting and was looking at the fighting between very well trained and heavily armed ukrainians fighting very heavily armed and well-trained ukrainians and/or russians. know who these men in the hoods are. ande were more casualties combat today. that is war in my view and number two it has the potential to escalate into a much bigger conflict because i worry that it will bring in the russians.

let's give me that scenario. the pro-russian militants feel are advancing so vladimir putin will use that as an excuse to send in russian troops to protect those threatened russian militants or pro-russian militants. >> that is right. let's be clear. weeks ago said if russian citizens are threatened i have the right and responsibility to go to protect them. you already have individuals including the acting alleged mayor of this town already calling for that kind of military intervention to protect them against the ukrainian forces so i think it is a very fragile situation right now. >> what could prevail to make him not do that if in fact the escalation reaches that point? >> just watching the videos as i have been remind you how

incredibly nasty and bloody and terrible this could be. having ukrainians and russians at war with each other. i hope that the news out of the area and odessa a couple of days ago will remind everybody of the tragedies of war and maybe we will get back to a de-escalation phase for -- which has been stuck for several days. >> based on your knowledge of him and your knowledge of the government he presides over, does he want to do this, is he looking for an excuse? >> i do not think so. i do not want to pretend that i know but i have watched and observed president clinton -- putin for a long time. i do not think he has a master plan to annex ukraine. if he did he has kept it secret

for a long time. he is responding tactically and improvising. if he can find a way to not do a full-scale invasion i think he would settle for that. because he knows the cost of that. he knows it is not going to be an easy operation. it may be easy in the first days and weeks but over the months and years it will not. i would hope that others around him will remind him of the economic cost as well of going into eastern and southern ukraine. click suppose he goes in and it escalates and therefore the present government is fighting the russian military. is in that an overwhelming up -- is that not an overwhelmingly easy opportunity for the russian army or is there something i'm misunderstanding? >> in the short term you're right. a conventional war between the russian army, the conventional army in the ukrainian conventional army is an easy victory for the russians. in the short run. think about what happens over time. they are an occupying army. there are no good borders

between eastern ukraine and the rest of ukraine. they have what he thousand troops allegedly still on the borders. russian military experts say it would take 150,000 150,000 soldiers to secure the border. if youans will fight. are the ukrainian nationalist you do not like the situation already. part of your country has been annexed. if the russian army comes in and occupies eastern ukraine you have guerrilla war for a very long time. >> who is coming to help the ukrainians? the government in ukraine today. >> i hope the west end nato will stand firm and support them economically in the first instance. are not think ukrainians asking anyone to fight their battles. they will do that themselves. >> what should we do, what should the west do whether it is europe

or the u.s. to provide assistance for the ukrainians? forit is not too late diplomacy. just because casualties happen now does not mean it has to escalate. i would hope that in the immediate run you will have conversations between mr. putin andthe leaders of europe president to de-escalate. if that does not succeed, perhaps military assistance if the russian army is occupying eastern ukraine, those will be the next escalate tory gas steps.latory -- needarguments made to be made to vladimir putin that he will appreciate assuming he looks and makes a serious analysis of the circumstance and

one would point out to him perhaps it will do great damage to his own economy, that is a problem for him. respecthe want some for world it will do damage to that if he wants russia to be seen as a member of the world community in good standing what else would have but -- and impact on him? the first twoh points and it would add a third. do you want the -- to be the president of russia that starts a war, ukrainians are russians. peoples that have lived together peacefully for a long time. a lot of historical and cultural ties and to start a war that will look, decades from now, why did this have to happen, this could have been easily avoided. remember out there in eastern ukraine it is not just all russians, it is a minority. most people out there are ukrainian.

and second there's a lot of mixed marriages and families that are part ukrainian, part russian. why do you want to start a war between the peoples? >> republicans are attacking the president. the cover story of the economist magazine, what will the united states fight for? what is the president trying to be dashed to achieve in his decision-making at this time? he is trying to get chancellor merkel to be responsive to action. what else is the balance? >> what will we fight for first of all? let's remember the history of sovietand -- russian and military intervention. the soviets went into hungary and czechoslovakia. the crackdown in solidarity in in twod into georgia thousand eight.

democrat, republican when push knewto shove, russians that americans were not willing to fight for eastern europe area that is a fact of history. for those that say we need to fight now for ukraine i would remind people of that history. in the short run though, the president wants to raise the stakes of military intervention. wewants to say if you go in are serious about sanctions and we are going to go after your banks, we will go after your oil and gas industries and they have already done a few shots across the bow to demonstrate that they have a credible commitment to escalation. no presidentd you has ever put these kind of sanctions on soviet or russian officials ever before. the president has now said we are going to go further if there is further military escalation. i think that is the best option given all the other options are much worse in terms of what we are willing to do. >> you worked for the president and national security council

and he appointed you ambassador to russia. i believe he has been out -- do you believe he has balanced the interests of the united states reasonably well here? >> yes. i have worked for him for a long time. i can imagine he is balancing our interests of 20 to deter .ussian aggression of course from not wanting to trigger an economic recession in europe or the global economy. there could be an action/reaction cycle from these sanctions.ectorial nobody wants this crisis. itching for a fight with the russians. it cannot go on this way. the president has been clear about the actions he is willing to take if putin goes further. >> no one wanted world war i either. >> correct.

>> thanks for having me. >> stay with us. >> mark halperin and john heilemann are in a new venture called "bloomberg politics." what will their new project entail? washington and politics of course. this marks the beginning of the oflic and -- beginning primaries. there is battle in the gop for the party's future. i am pleased to have mark halperin and john heilemann. this is great. be with you on this day. >> happy for that. i think you said, mark, there is a chance to do something we have never been able to do. what is that? >> it is to be at the center of a startup. an organization that will cover american politics in

a way that appeals to both of us because it will involve storytelling. the american political story as you know it. it is a great story. there is no story as big. stories come and go. it is a great big story that we both spent our careers covering and it is a chance within a great organization with a lot of resources and division and tradition of excellence in journalism to create a startup. to be the founders of something that will hopefully represent all we have learned about journalism and how to call -- cover politics in the digital age. >> we know how good you guys are and we know from appearing on the show and morning joe and a lot of other places. tell me what it will look like an smell like and feel like. >> one of the great rings about starting a venture like this, you do not know the answer. there will be pieces of it. the multiplatform is a key element.

one of the things that bloomberg allows us to do. we get to do web and the mobile web and we get to do television and digital video. we get to do events and print to my we get to do all that stuff. >> that his conferences and stuff like that. >> more town hall meetings or any number of things we can do. there are a lot of different life things. >> is there the potential to do something no one has done before? >> the biggest area is digital media. particularly video when a lot of organizations, every organization wants to do that. the combination of the folks who understand how it works as well as the things john and i have learned over the course of our careers where we think there is lots of things you can do in digital video which means for people watching who may be not television but increasing interest for advertisers and video produced for the web which can mean different links, short

and long. there is opportunity amongst other things to tell story -- stories in a rich way. most of the video on the web is not particularly creatively or thoughtfully produced and we think we can do that. >> it is not produced by people with experience in television or resources the bloomberg has. there is a lot of demand for digital video and a lot of experiments that have not worked that well. as good as these news organizations are they do not have television studios. they do not have experienced producers. they do not have people that make tv all the time. we are able to take those assets that bloomberg has and apply them in a different way and a forum that mark was talking about. >> people who find themselves who begin in digital media look at it differently than people institutions like

newspapers and magazines to then say we want to use digital media. there's a difference in saying we want to use digital media than coming from digital media. >> there is something to that. we are of the age chronologically in our careers where we were exposed to the old ways. three national weekly magazines andmagazines that mattered networks. been involved with the websense beginning of our careers. we have been experimenters on the web and digital video is obviously right now the most important thing that you have got to bring to it the basics of journalistic values and storytelling. there is a technological piece to it but you're right, there is an attitudinal piece. we are confident we will bring in people to work with us to understand that, not as a business opportunity only but as something that is a great opportunity to give journalistic

expression. >> the generational thing is interesting because we have been lucky in some sense. we are not really gen x, we are gen y. we are on the cusp. we did the first digital native campaign journalism on the web. the first people that ever did it but i had grown up in magazines when i was younger than that and so and mark is the same way. we are not afraid of digital journalism. we are not natives like the kids who have only done digital but we were there at the beginning a we feel like we have reasonable facility to straddle those lines between the values of print and old media. and with no fear at having spent a lot of time wallowing around in the digital soup for a long time in our careers. >> and having a hands-on kind of operation, connection to it. >> there is also this and i have been doing a series of programs about it. who comeer, people from "washington post," "new

york times" and finding their best opportunity as a special part of digital media. >> one reason we are so excited about this as we feel we have the best of both worlds. those people are off doing noble things in taking some risk. we have the luxury of working within an organization, bloomberg news and bloomberg media that have great assets around the world and more probably than anybody else. desire toingness to do excellent things. josh who hiredd us to do this, they want to be entrepreneurial. they want to be imbued with the same pride of the projects you talked about and that is a great combination. this is something, we are covering politics. the principles we're bringing this for bloomberg which has aspirations to do the same kind of thing for other areas but for journalism in any case, we feel

across the board like we have the resources and the leadership to do what everybody needs to do which is adapt to the new technology with old-fashioned values. >> you also have a big staff. staffed is a huge, well washington bureau. work? is that going to coverage in washington and here. >> we will connect enthusiastically. they are trying to create a new kind of collaborative model between bloomberg media and bloomberg news and we are the sharp end of the spear. we will take the best of the stuff those guys do down there in washington and bring all that . and also bring on some new resources on our site appear that are going to be dedicated to us and put it all together so we can exploit the best of what they have and create a lot of new stuff. >> you are in charge of political coverage.

>> we will have a big role in terms of getting people oversight and advice on how to pilot that coverage going forward. it look as we see it on may 5, 2014? >> it looks like emma kratz have a uphill battle. -- democrats have an uphill battle. it is an off year election. the other thing that has happened over the last few midterm and on your elections as we discover there are two different electorates. one that votes in presidential and off year elections. they are very different. in graphically very different. the coalition that elected barack obama in 2008 and 2012 was a larger group and much more hispanic and much more african-american. it had a lot more young people, a lot more at -- college educated women. a much more diverse, evil call it the -- people call it the

coalition of the ascendant. and now you have an older, whiter, much more republican electorate that turns out. the commendation of those two things, president obama being -- headed into his sixth ear and fighting against a lot of things, we have talked about the things that are problematic. the structural things favor republicans and the things happening topically favor republicans right now. no one really thinks democrats have a chance of retaking the house. the senate is up for grabs. if the election were held today the republicans would take control of the senate. >> [inaudible] north at my home state of carolina, just pouring in. >> that is a place where republicans and conservative groups have gone crazy. i agree that everything that john has said. some things that could allow democrats to change the dynamic.

they are trying to change the makeup of the electorate. that is a challenge. >> are they trying to identify the make up of the electorate and the ascendant group? >> they are trying to get their people to turn out. -white voters, those groups they need to figure out how to get them to vote in the midterm. what can the inspire them. they are doing decently and fundraising. the democratic fund-raising committee, the campaign committees themselves, the house and senate committee are fundraising and a decent clip and they have the capacity to continue to raise thomas small dollar donors art doing well. in clintons will campaign the fall. most of the kratz belief. they are very popular. you look at the polling, democrats are doing really well on issues. a lot of the economic issues. should there be more unemployment benefits. out a way tofigure

frame the argument so voters turn out on those issues rather than the affordable care act or the presidents lack of popularity. >> the affordable care act is the number one issue? >> i do not know that it will be. the economy is the number one issue and voters overall, the concern is do with the economy. we are in a weak posture relative to where we have been. this economic recovery has not been robust. there has not been job growth or wage growth. the kind of robust recovery that people would like to see. republicans in terms of the thing we have been talking about in terms of how the electorate shapes up to my health care, opposition to health care and not just that position but intense antipathy toward obamacare is a huge motivating factor for republican base voters and republicans are running not a totally single issue campaign but if you think are doing republicans is nationalize elections around

obamacare and get their voters out. for those voters and those are voters who are likely to turn out, it is the most important thing for those voters. >> job approval has been an issue. he is around 40. >> i do not think there is any prospect a ghost lower than 40 or higher than 46. that seems in error band but every one of the points where you could go up and down will make a difference. participate in this election? >> very selectively. there are places -- >> raising money. >> there are places, a state like louisiana where the democratic incumbent is fighting for her life. there are a lot of african-american voters and the president will be able to go down there and do certain things indrive democratic turnout that state. there are places he will be able to go. other places where democratic candidates in reddish or purpleish state's will have no place for obama. he were running

would he have president obama and he said no. but there are a lot of states like that. west virginia. not unlike a lot of states. campaign selectively. >> if you talk to strategists where there is no great love and affection between the white house and the democratic congressional wing of the party, they are not pleased with the way the white house is handling its politics. there is deep skepticism about the outcome and their -- their -- that is what they say. even though rationally the president's term depends on doing well. honest autocrats will tell you that if things break badly, there is more glitches with the affordable care act, more bad economic news, this could turn out to be a very bad election.

not just bad but very bad. meeting losses in the high 20's in the house and loss of control in the senate and lots of losses and the governors races and most ever kratz to not feel the white house is acting commensurate with that possibility. >> it has been interesting in this last week or so. after the white house announced it had hit its number on the affordable care act. you saw this bump in the polls where the president seemed to be doing better in health care, the opposition seemed to be reduced and people's support for the plan went up and we have seen three big national polls where the numbers have turned back around again. the president's approval rating has not sank. it is very elastic. he has a low ceiling and a high floor. on the health care issue it is back to where it was before they had the big milestone event. you look at those three numbers to the one that -- there was a pew poll. the gap is as big as it has been in 20 or 30 years.

the worst for democrats since 22 and worse than 1894 in the history of that poll which is a little scary for a lot of democrats. >> how much of president obama's feetems can yulia at his -- can yulia at his feet? >> he inherited a lot of problems and that is what the president feels most strongly about when talking about his presidency. economic and also the wars. crisis from 2008. economic inequality, worker training and education, he feels he inherited a lot. the auto industry problems and he is right about that. and his six years he could say he has some accountability. >> not so much losing congress but some sense of anything about his personal style, too cerebral, does not like to schmooze. >> there is a real dynamic for

him in a cynical age, and a polarized age, in an age where the incentives in our politics and media culture are so negative. supportstarted to lose from about half the country, it has become difficult to get it back and i do not think he has tried all that hard to do it. he is resigned to governing with his base supporters plus a little bit rather than aspiring to be in any real way as 65% approval president my 70% approval rating. to say i got a set of two wars and we have obamacare passed? i the president, john and have written about this and talk about this. he is a great orator but he eschews plus license -- applause lines. than demagoguery or

flash. >> as opposed to bill clinton. >> masterful. bill clinton is a once-in-a-lifetime politician who had the ability to as he said about others, talk the owls down from the trees. that this president does not have for all his political strength. >> politics as changed. the republican party is a different party. i am not trying to bash republicans. it is a much more conservative party and it has become a different thing. cannot -- undressed the extent to which an opposition party that decided from the day that he got in that it was in its political interests to oppose him. >> [indiscernible] >> they are dealing with the

republican electorate and that certainly changed. he has not had a partner on the other side. bill clinton at various times brilliantly but opportunistically had moments where he could find levels of cooperation with the public. when he had the opportunity he seized it. president obama has not had many opportunities. >> he has not chosen to kill with kindness. spending hour after hour trying to find common cause and that has hurt his ability. >> to talk them out of the trees. >> he chose not to try. he said it would not work. >> can i tell you why we are happy about coming to bloomberg? we will be down the hall from the studio and we get to see much more of you. >> it is a pleasure to talk to you. you had other questions. >> i can come back to them. >> hillary.

she is asking herself is there any reason i should not do this and has not found one, is unlikely to find one. >> she wants to be president. runningshe thinks would be difficult and governing would be difficult. quick she has overcome all that. >> i am certain she has. the three things she has to overcome is the king in the face of her grandchild who will be born this year and deciding i can do this and not miss out on stuff i care about. shehas to decide what stands for. why she wants to be president. not just because she can. >> she has to create a narrative as to what she wants to do. >> at this time in our history. >> the last thing is a pedantic thing. to help her with this, who amongst people she has

worked with in the past, her people, her husband's people, how will she organize the campaign? you look at the winners, they get people who will organize, who will manage the campaign and make the ads? >> i got to believe that all the things she has going for her -- >> she can pick anyone but she picked the right people. last time she did not at all. >> even more important in her case because she has demonstrated now, we know enough about hillary clinton. political in a context, when she was in the senate and the armed services committee and secretary of state. she's incredibly popular and admired and comfortable in her skin. where she put herself in situations where she is anymore politicized environment, some of the things about her character that people find most troubling, the sense of core looseness and tend toulation, they

come to the fore. her husband was a natural and on the campaign real. she is not a natural. all these ancillary issues matter a lot. if she goes into this campaign without a clear idea of why she wants to run now, not as i am most qualified. it is time for the 4 -- first woman. supporters are coming out. what is herked message. she says she is the most qualified and she would be the most effective. that is not a message. she needs to know and she needs to be correct people because if she is at all the loss, there is a real worry, a lot of things about her that are her vulnerabilities will rise to the fore rather than allowing her strengths to rise to the fore. >> jeb bush. get closer to the campaign be engaged in it has

not been but it will be in the coming months and certainly in november. the vacuum -- the fundraisers and the chattering class, they are the ones who pay attention from now through the end of next year, over a year from now. those people have by now every four years since ronald reagan had their favorite choice and that person has become the republican nominee every four years. that in a vacuum is powerful and it is sucking jim bush back into it. even if he becomes disinclined to run, until he says that, he is the person they want. he is the one they think has the best chance to win. it is the one sentence job description. who can beat hillary clinton and he looks to them to be the strongest. iny may be wrong but jeb is that vacuum. paul ryan does not seem like he wants to run. there is literally no one else close to the stature of those three for the establishment to say, who can we get on board with now and prop up yet -- and get in the race?

the country is looking for fundamental change. >> at a time when the country is looking for change. conversationhe back to where we were, the reason jeb bush is attractive and chris christie was for some time attractive, republicans need to get themselves -- they have lost five of the last six presidential popular vote. in a presidential electorate year, that electorate gives to the crass the same kind of structural advantage going in that the midterm electorate gives republicans going in. if republicans cannot figure out how to do better with those ascendant hearts of the coalition of the electorate -- parts of the coalition of the electorate they cannot win. jeb bush is appealing because he conceivably could pick the lock on hispanic voters. demographics matter but

the electoral college matters more. you bush is i will try to win california, he probably would not regardless but it would not be laughable. jeb bush winning florida, not laughable. laughablesconsin, not -- wenning wisconsin, not laughable. impressive in interviews and speeches when he is there with other people. >> i find evil like him and respect him and thing he would be a good president. -- people like him and respect him and think he would be a good president. >> layer part of the same story. >> great to have you here. regulate. vacuum moment. stay with us. -- back in a moment. stay with us.

>> kiefer sutherland is here. reprising his role in the fox series "24." seasons, "24" was

nominated for several awards and he won for outstanding lead actor. here is a teaser for "24: live another day." ♪ >> first time you have seen it.

it ran during the super bowl. >> i was in london. i watched part of the super bowl. but it was like at four in the morning and they do not have any commercials. that is only here in the states. that is the first thing i have seen. >> tell me about how this all happened. blur.was -- kind of a in all fairness, it happened really fast. i got a call from howard gordon who is the lead writer and was for the last seven seasons. called him and i think i called him to congratulate him on winning of the old anglo for -- the golden globes for "homel and." he said, i am glad you called. would you be interested in doing said whator 24 and i

kind of idea. he wanted to do 12 episodes instead of 24. they would represent a 24-hour day. he pitched the beginning of the story. she had not had it fully fleshed out. if you think you can do something him a howard, -- woulding, howard, i certainly be open to it. that took 15 minutes. and then i spent six months going, oh my god, why on earth would i be doing this? there was a real sense of accomplishment after eight years. none of us felt we offer -- ever had a perfect season. there is always a problem in the storytelling of 24 hours. was around episode 14 or 15 when we have to make some kind of drastic turn to get home. having said that, we made

196 hours of television in eight we were proud of it. we were proud of what we had done. once you finish that, you kind of feel like you got away with something. you did not jump the sir -- chartres i'm a so to speak. speak.k, so to that group of actors that lived together. >> utley downey and i were roommates. werebby downey and i roommates. >> and you and sean. you were part of that and you had a career in which you were doing a lot of roles but were not a big international star. through -- " came >> it changed my life. i have a picture of my daughter who was 12 years old when she

on the set. i have a picture of her graduating from nyu. not only did it represent 10 years of my career which is mytainly more than 1/3 of entire career but the success of the show is unlike anything i have ever experienced. one of the things i have found remarkable about "24," we got were doingh "24," we a show in america and we would sometimes forget the international success of "24." when i went to go shoot in south africa, it was huge and africa and eastern europe and big in the middle east which i found surprising. it was something that we were proud of that the show did language culture and and politics, religion, all kinds of things. i have never experienced any

single project like it. >> it was sad when it came to and? -- end? >> yeah. there were 38 births on that sounds2 marriages ended -- and it sounds trite, we spent more time with each other than we did with our own families. we came very close knit group. but iot much of a crier, rub the last scene, the last take. i knew it was over. i went to shake the camerman's hand and i lost it. they were shooting b roll and he had to look away and i had took away and it barely came

out of my mouth. i know i was not going to be able to spend the kind of time with them that i had. click some of those friends are back. >> yes. >> including? kim raver.ynn and to the whited house chief of staff. lead director of the show and who is a dear friend of mine as well. lex i will show you a clip from day."ive another >> nobody move. >> jack. >> put your hands where i can see them. doing?, what are you >> [inaudible]

>> what is going on? >> no need to introduce yourself. >> which one of you is derek yates? said, which one of you is derek yates? >> yates no longer works with us. >> you're going to help me find him. have anyd you do not choice. >> we all have choices. [inaudible] >> your credibility. i am not going to ask another time. >> a stop. we will help you. i promise i will help you. >> cheers. jack is doing it again. he is as tough and as violent as

-- >> one of the things that attracted me when howard and i talked about it at the very beginning of starting the season was that the character was actually going to be harder than he had ever been before. hiding in eastern europe, he is estranged from his daughter, he cannot see his grandchildren. the country he has worked so hard to protect his hunting him down. he cannot go home. isolation is going to make you cross. and so instead of him kind of working within a structure to youand save the day, if will, he is working from outside. even the people he is trying to protect in the season, they are the people who are hunting him as well. a complexity in that. >> he is being hunted and he is

hunting. >> yeah. >> chloe is essential because? she has changed. >> she has changed radically. the dynamic of our relationship has changed as you see. we are not on the same side. i think she is essential because i think she is the female of what i think jack represents as well. a normal person put into extraordinary circumstances who is doing their best. i think that is what i have found relatable about the character. for me, i know that is how she feels about her character and that is what is relatable to the audience. all of us feel that way. life is its own extraordinary circumstance and we're all doing our best and she represents that. >> kim is back. >> she is. who plays audrey is

extraordinary. of thely, this is one few characters that jack actually has an emotional relationship with, and intimate heationship with, and so, thought leaving her was the best thing for her so to have that kind of reconnect in the context of the season has been exciting as well. but let's take another look at a clip. this is where jack our first resurfaces in london. here it is.

>> it's him. jack bauer. brad is fantastic. one of the nicest people. the 12 hour thing is because and i am told this was an attractive idea because streaming has become so important. netflix brought it to the surface. the clear success of "house of cards," did that enter into television planning today? >> absolutely. the industry -- from when i started and you and i have visited on this many times. to now, noted "24" only has the content changed on television, the quality of the programming is exceptionally good. the delivery devices have

changed as well. the industry has -- is changing so fast. i rubber i was working with jeffrey katzenberg on an animated film and he was promoting this 3-d idea for the animated movies and i said why is this such a passion of yours? he said if you take a look at movies nothing has changed since we introduced dolby sound. people have got home theaters now that are so well thought out and well designed that why would notgo to a movie sofa we do create something, people are going to stop going. he literally sounded like trepolov in "the seagull." i thought about it and he is right. the experience of going to a movie has not changed much. the experience of touching television and how you can watch television has changed dramatically and it is taking

over. >> a critic wrote this about "24 and presentreal dangers into a plot so convoluted and outlandish that viewers never felt too far from popcorn escapism." crackis "dynasty" on and i would have to wholeheartedly agree with that. it is on purpose. i remember one of the things that concerned me about starting was playing jack bauer, you have to talk like an auctioneer. you have to talk really fast and sometimes there is so much exposition that you have to get through to kind of justify the next moment, and i learned very quickly that as long as -- people do not need to or want to hear it. it just needs to be there so if someone asks the question you can point to something. so there was times when i

literally learned through pages of dialogue and i would do it so whatthat we would take should have been a five minute scene and it would be 45 seconds. together in a film, a western called "the fors aken." it will hopefully be finished and out. this is the first time. more. everything and we approached it, we were both very professional when we started. we were there for a couple of weeks before production. we were talking about the material and it was very kind of stiff. odd.is kind of i remember phoning him the night before and i said because i could not take it anymore. things are a bit awkward, i am really nervous and he said oh,

my god. he said he was scared to death and the two of us left about it. fantastic experience. use one of the few people i have worked with because i have such respect for him as an actor. there were a couple of times and we were doing a scene and i was so anxious because i had never seen him work. i was so interested in his process and every thing else. we were in a scene and i was watching him and i forgot i was in it. it was my turn to speak. it was really fantastic. >> did you not once tell me that his advice was was -- never get caught in a line? rex what he meant by that was , thein a scene of it says characters moved to tears. his point is if you're not moved to tears, do not fake it. and i did not trust that. i always wanted to do what they had written and what they said and there were a couple of times

i did it and it blew up in my face and it took me a while to learn that lesson but he was dead right. >> great to have you. >> thank you. ♪

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>> this is "taking stock" for tuesday, may 6, 2014. i am pimm fox. the theme is balance. the hotel bel air los angeles is trying to find balance between politics and business as protesters, including jay leno, take a stand against the owner of the property, the sultan of brunei. we will tell you why there is a boycott. finding a balance is a way of life for professional bike riders. the business of being a bmxer.