>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." >> we begin tonight with news from the ukraine, a military helicopter shot down near the russian border on tuesday killing nine people.

they came to an agreement and a cease-fire between the ukrainian government and separatists. they accuse rebels of breaking the agreement several times. united states is hoping to increase pressure on the russian government by escalating existing sanctions. joining me from washington, a distinguished scholar at the wilson center and the german ambassador to the united states. >> it is great to be back. >> tell me what is happening as far as you know at this moment on the ground in the ukraine. >> obviously, the cease-fire is a challenging proposition in a situation where you had the ukrainian military on one side and a number of different groups. the coordination of which is unclear. to put it diplomatically. this is not an easy situation for the implementation of the cease-fire.

that is the one problem. the other side of this coin is the european union later this week, diplomatic efforts, of course, are continuing. president putin was in austria yesterday. chancellor merkel and others have been phoning president putin. the german foreign minister was in the ukraine yesterday so a lot of diplomatic activity is continuing and i think we have at least a glimmer of hope that a diplomatic track can be established and that some traction can then be created. >> what would a diplomatic solution look like? >> i believe the ukraine needs help. the border between ukraine and russia is an open border.

and as we all know, from the media, for weeks if not months, men and ammunition and supplies have somehow come across this particular border. i believe it is a relatively clear point to make that if russia intends to respect the integrity and sovereignty of its neighbor ukraine, russia should do the necessary minimum to control its own border and make sure nothing leaves russia that is not supposed to leave russia. and armed men or ammunition should not cross the border without the permission of the authorities. i think we need to continue to put pressure on the russian government to implement their

own promises. they may that they would respect the integrity of the ukraine and so far, they are not doing that. >> what pressure can we apply our can the world apply or the west apply? >> charlie, i think our behavior has not been all that bad. when i left kiev a couple weeks ago, i asked the prime minister who is a highly efficient and technocratic who acts under very difficult circumstances. i asked him what is the one thing you will need to carry with me as i go back to berlin and talk to people in brussels

and in washington. a clear answer, he said don't fall apart. stay together. so far, i think we've managed to do that and we need to stay together. we cannot allow this russian behavior to split the north atlantic alliance or split the west in terms of continuing the sanctions together. not the united states. >> it seems to me that is what is happening. you're hearing people like the united states chamber of commerce questioning the sanctions. >> i think that is normal. i could sing a long song about the complaints of our own business community which, of course, has a much bigger stake

in the russian trade than the u.s. business community. our business community doesn't like this a bit because it affects their business in a major way. but they have been smart enough. i draw my hat. they are smart enough and politically astute enough to understand that this is a political priority, and therefore, we are not going to fight this decision. if it has to happen, it has to happen. i think that is what we need to expect. >> where is the chancellor on this? >> the chancellor, in my view, i am no longer a german ambassador, i am not officially in the diplomatic mission here. so i am free to express my own view. i believe she has carried out the kind of leadership function that everybody is expecting of germany in these types of situations.

she has helped to unite the european union and that is not easy. she is one of the few leaders that has been able to continuously, over many weeks now, speak with president putin sometimes several times a week. we must not give up the communications link. this is the most serious challenge to european security in many years. >> do you believe sanctions will work and will act as leverage against russia? >> it is clear to me the leadership in moscow does not

appreciate a reduction or elimination. it seems to me that it is still the kind of old-style cold war thinking that they need something against the west to protect themselves because the west as some sort of hostile intention. whyich is, of course, not true. but perceptions are perceptions and we need to live with the fact that this is a strongly held view in moscow. and we have to live with the unfortunate fact that over the last several months, nationalistic sentiments have tended to have a renaissance in russia. as i put myself in the shoes of an advisor to president putin, he is not an easy situation.

if he now were to give up and say ok, i accept this, i accept that ukraine is moving in the direction of that you. and i will let that happen. i believe you will be seriously attacked by this new nationalistic right-wing conservative element in russian politics. in a way, he has created a problem for himself. >> henry kissinger suggested finland as a model and wrote about it in his column. is that the model to what ukraine should become? >> it depends on how you interpret this. >> i agree that if we are very clear what the finland model means. it must not mean and should not mean that ukraine is not free to

choose which club it wants to belong to. that is a principle we established many years ago in the context of european security. each country should be free to choose. but in principle, they were free to choose and they chose out of their own will not to become members of nato, you know, many years ago. they decided to pursue a special finish way. there is nothing written in the bible or in the finnish constitution or anywhere else that would, in principle, prevent finland from becoming a member of nato. it is, of course, a member of the european union. in that sense, that is what we mean when we speak about the finnish solution. that is ok. some people believe it means the ukraine must not and will not and shall not ever become a member of this or that.

i would say that is not something we should ever say. if the ukrainians want to make that decision, that is their decision to make. it is their country and their future. we should allow them to have the free choice. i think the new president has a great opportunity. my own job before the presidential elections were complete was to help on behalf of the osce to create national dialogue roundtables. this is not a country with a homogenous society. there are russian speaking people in the east that disagree violently with what people in the west believe. this president must be a president that brings his

country together in a way -- i am not a historian and i hesitate to make this comparison because many americans will say this is not correct. i think of abraham lincoln as a figure that in a war situation, finally brought the country together again. it is a huge task and i think he can do it. he enjoys the trust of many leaders in the west. i believe they're willing to talk to him in moscow. >> how large are the separatists? >> i made an effort during my few weeks there to talk to everybody i was able to meet with. i went to various other places. i did not meet any significant number of people who were really separatists, carving up ukraine.

which is what the self-appointed separatists proclaim is their objective. i believe this is an artificial kind of separatism which is being imported and is not something which the population really wants. i think what the population wants in eastern ukraine is a different government in kiev. they want less corruption and more representation of their own issues and problems. they want more decentralization. they want something like the kind of federalism you have in the united states and we have in germany. self-government. but that is something very different from the idea that, let's take a portion of the

ukraine and let's proclaim a separate republic. my impression is that not even those that are responsible in moscow believe that that would be a good and a long-term and permanent solution. separatism, i think, is an artificial idea which is being tried. i don't think it has a future. >> what is the risk to ukraine if they don't get the necessary money they need? >> this is a country that needs almost everything. they need money. they need oil and gas. we need to help them settle the gas issue with russia. they need technical help. this is a country that has a military that is so poorly trained and equipped because they were not well enough funded in the past. this is a country that has a

huge corruption problem. across the board, from the military to the social sector, they will need a lot of help. >> what is the risk reward? >> the risk of miscalculation on both sides is significant. this is something that must worry all of us that know a little bit about strategy and about crisis management and crisis prevention. it takes only a little miscalculation for something to flare up. there is lots of military around in this region. russian soldiers on the other side. it doesn't take much for a little conflict in a border town to erupt into something larger. we thought that we could trust

each other and we thought there was now a degree predictability in european security architecture and that believe has been shattered. that needs to be rebuilt and that will take a long time. >> will history suggest the west missed an early opportunity to formerly should ship with the ukraine? >> looking back, of course one can argue that maybe what we did or what we did not do, we the europeans, we the west, we also made mistakes. i am sure there were mistakes

made. some people believe, and i don't necessarily share this view, but it is being kicked around in these debates that the eu presented the future relationship between the ukraine and the european union as a choice that ukraine had to make between either a relationship with the west, the eu, or with russia. today, we are all agreed that that is not a choice through which we should put the ukraine. we should allow the ukraine to continue to have its traditional long-term ties, historic ties, political ties, ethnic ties with russia. while developing the economic and political relationship with the west. that has got to be possible. maybe there were mistakes made, and maybe we did not pay enough attention to this huge country, one of the biggest countries if

not the biggest country on the european continent. 50 million people and a huge part of land. maybe we neglected the domestic problems of the ukraine for too long. but don't forget, charlie. since 2008, we in the eu you had some other kinds of worries also. we were fighting the specter of a breakup of the eurozone. as you know, that problem is not yet fully resolved. you know, this was not a great time of outreach for the european union since 2008. >> take me inside putin's brain and tell me what his calculations are. >> i wish i knew. i think that is the really big challenge. the trouble we all have. i have been talking to many here in washington at the state

department. my own colleagues in berlin and brussels and elsewhere. i think the main majority view that president putin is not a gambler. he carefully weighed the risks when he seized crimea. and he believed that the western reaction would be one with which he could live. i think he is a smart strategist. he will not step over the red line. i don't think that he is one to really challenge nato.

but we also need to be sure that we send the right signals which is why i am a strong believer in the sanctions that we have already adopted and i believe that if president putin does not follow-up with recognizable actions, we should notch up our sanctions policy in order to make sure he understands that we will not allow the european peace and stability to be threatened by him. he wishes and he has said publicly since 2007 that he wishes to create, in his way, to re-create a greater russia. and the vision of the union which he has pursued for quite

some time now is a vision that will remain desperately incomplete if it does not include the ukraine which is why i think people are so unhappy in moscow that ukraine is now definitely, most definitely on an eu course and drifting away from the influence of russia and from the option of becoming a future member of this union which president putin pursues. i want to make sure that we talk again between the west and the russian president about the situation that is a very unhappy situation for all of us can be changed and transformed into a situation where we can speak hopefully in a few years of a kind of a future win-win

situation. the one thing i believe is important for me as a european to never forget is that we will have russia as a big neighbor whether we like it or not. we can't wish them away and they will also be the direct neighbor of the ukraine. we can't have permanent adversity. we need to find a way to create a stable relationship again and hopefully president putin will present the offer we are making that if you respect the rules that all of us together had established in terms of respecting each other's territory. i think peace can be reestablished and mutual trust can slowly be rebuilt. but it will take a long time. >> thank you for joining us.

we will be right back. stay with us. ♪

>> john oliver is here. eight years ago he auditioned in new york city for the very first time to audition for the daily show. 24 hours after getting the job, he was on the set with jon stewart as the senior british correspondent. reviews flourished and he was encouraged to strike out on his own, and he did. here is what his new show looks like. >> we pointed out that tom wheeler, the chair of the fcc, which is tasked with regulating cable companies, was previously a lobbyist for the cable industry, something of a conflict of interest that we summarized thusly. that is the equivalent of needing a babysitter and hiring a dingo. sure, it's a little offensive to australians favorite baby eating animal, but it's good for the joke. on friday, the fcc held an open meeting, and this happened.

>> i am just wondering if you watched the john oliver segment about net neutrality and what you thought about it. [applause] >> that is not good. so? what did you think? >> i think it represents the high level of interest that exists on the topic, and that is good. you now, i would like to state, for the record, that i am not a dingo. >> "last week tonight" airs on sunday night on hbo. i am pleased to have john oliver back at this table. >> thank you for having me. >> i know tom wheeler, by the way. i have known him for 30 years.

are you saying he is corruptible? >> all i am saying, charlie, is that the former head of the cable lobbying group might not be the ideal candidate for head of the fcc. >> maybe he needed experience and he got it lobbying for the cable companies. once you understand them, you can regulate them. once they have paid you to represent them -- >> no conflict of interest. i know exactly who i want in there. someone who doesn't fight me all the time. i can be that person. >> but he was so nice and gentle in his response to these egregious attacks. >> i accused him of being a baby eating dingo. >> you substituted for jon stewart. then you came on this show and

had a sterling performance. right after that, you got a big offer from hbo. i'm just asking, i'm asking. sitting in for jon stewart, appearing on my show, a big new show for you, i'm asking. >> it's a gateway. what you are saying is you would like a piece of the action. >> that's what i'm saying. >> give me a taste. a little. i remember sitting down with you, the final week of hosting over the summer. i remember you saying do you think your life is going to change and i said no and you looked at me, your face was just like, oh, this kid doesn't know. he doesn't know. the jury is still very much out, by the way, on whether i am any good or not. >> come on.

you are clearly a brilliant comedian. >> wow. you are writing checks that my popularity cannot cash, charlie. i am an acquired taste at best. >> tell me about the experience of creating your own show. here you are, you have this phenomenal background as a highly acclaimed comedian who has substituted for the one and only jon stewart. it's high praise to begin in the opportunity. and then to do it so well. >> that was kind of the apex of my time at the daily show was being in a position where jon would trust me, rightly or wrongly, with being the custodian of his show for a few months. it was an honor. >> did you think for a moment, if i do this well -- like on day one, day two, day 3 -- if i do this well, by the end of three months, little john oliver will have his own show. >> i'd did not think that for a single moment as you could tell

from my face during your interview. i thought i would just go back. there was no point at which i thought it would lead to anything other than hopefully not being in trouble when jon got back. >> how do you like it, doing your own show, being in charge and responsible for lots of comedy. >> that is a different level, because i have been under his wing, under jon's protective wing. >> and if it went bad, it could go to someone else. >> or he could take the blow for me. i have had this wonderful position for a decade, snuggled up under his wing. >> and now you are exposed. >> i would love to look up and see that wing above me. it's been very different. being a boss has been different. setting stuff up myself has been a challenge. there are kind of basic

management skills that do not come naturally to me. >> hire people for that. >> that's what i've learned. >> that is your answer to every question, hire people for that. >> yes. don't worry. you should not be worried about that. >> don't worry about it. you are there for one thing, to entertain us and to make us laugh. that's all. >> right. i don't see it that way. where i am from, i have been raised in the daily show model where jon goes through everything. he is the dna of that show. it's sort of weird to remove the dna from the show. >> i have a theory about this. do you want to hear it? >> sure. i am not going to say yes yet. i will say sure. >> every great television show is defined by the presence of someone, like johnny carson defined the tonight show.

ted koppel defined nightline when he created this show and other shows. certainly stewart and colbert. and every one of them is maniacal about the show. >> of course. >> they give it its driving vision. >> he is one of the big things -- >> david letterman was the same way. >> for sure. one of the big things he's to say all the time is if you take your foot off the throat of this show it will get up and walk away. that is 100% transferable to what i am doing now. you have to be on it all the time or you will look back and what you needed is gone. that is why being a comedian is so perfect for me. no comedian walks away from a gig going i feel fully satisfied by that experience.

it did not fill the hole. it did not fill the hole. >> what is the hardest part about this program for you? >> is all hard at the moment because we have not done enough to be in any kind of rhythm. >> seven shows. >> we are still working out the process and even the show itself. >> how would you define what you want to show to be? >> i don't know. on a week to week basis it is changing. we are grappling towards tackling things that are difficult to merit a weeks worth of struggle. we have done things on fisa, the death penalty, net neutrality. none of those things scream "that sounds funny." no one looks at net neutrality and thinks, that is begging for comic treatment. >> you have a huge curiosity in the news.

you come to that with "wow, can you believe this?" you see the contradictions and the place where you can get in and find the irony. >> that is it in a nutshell. you're looking for comedic ironies, comedic juxtapositions. with net neutrality, there is a comedic element to a stupid call to arms because you are dealing with something in creditably important, in credibly boring that affects some of the most driven people in the world, online commentators. the people who should care the most about it are some of the most poisonous, active online individuals. >> does it make a difference that you are on hbo and you can say whatever you want? >> it's amazing. >> and you don't even have to

believe it. >> sure. and a curse word is a violin on which you can play any tune. but also just in terms of content, to be able to do a long piece about the death penalty or about fifa is amazing because there are no restrictions. >> fifa just begs to be -- >> it's basically ancient rome in a sports organization. we are talking about caligula. we're not talking about functional rome. we are talking about the guy with the horses. it's a mess. it's a circus. >> take a look at the clip. here it is. >> i would like to talk to you about the sausage principle, the theory that says if you like something, never find out how it was made.

tonight, i would like to show you my sausage. this is my sausage. >> the 2014 fifa world cup. >> [happy noise] the world cup starts this week and i am extremely excited about it. know in america soccer is something you pick your 10-year-old girl up from, but for me and everyone else on earth it is a little more important. >> it's a religion. >> a religion here. >> soccer, or football like we say, is a religion. >> they are not exaggerating. when david beckham had a tattoo of jesus, the response of most fans was, that's huge for jesus. that's a big deal for him. here's the thing.

the world cup is one of my favorite things, but it's organized by these guys, fifa. you either know them as the federal international football association, or that soccer thing you have. telling someone about the inner workings of fifa for the first time is a bit like showing "two girls one cup." you do it mainly to see the horrified look on their faces. >> sausage is such a cheap shot. >> you are chumming the water for what coming. a little red meat. just to get everyone's attention. >> and david beckham makes jesus look good. >> he does. he is in many ways a religious figure. i met him once and i felt like i had met god in a way.

i probably dealt with that worse than if i met the living christ. he looks like a greek statue. perfect. the problem is he has a voice that's like he's inhaled helium. that's the one thing. >> are you serious? >> david, it's great to meet [high-pitched voice] lovely to meet you, charlie. david, just close your mouth and look askance for me. without your mouth moving. i'm telling you. it's awful. >> other than comedy -- >> yes. >> what do you want your show to be? >> basically nothing. it's a comedy show, so it has to be that.

>> we want to go one step beyond comedy. what else? >> if it's interesting, that's fun as well. if it's comedy about some interesting things. >> how about an insight into something, a way of looking at it that you haven't thought about. >> sure. why not? >> like the idea of hiring the guy who represented cable companies. >> like you are saying, there are inherent comic juxtapositions throughout that story. so you want to highlight those. >> what the biggest story for you? we have the world cup. >> the first show, we did the indian election. there was nothing not interesting about the indian election to me. >> because it's the largest democracy in the world? >> the biggest democracy in the history of earth.

nothing is ever interesting. >> if you can't find something interesting in the largest democracy in the history of the world -- >> then you have your eyes closed. you are in the wrong place. that election was astonishing, and in a country that is riddled with class issues. you have it deeply controversial figure who used to sell tea at a railway station. there was nothing that was not amazing about that election to me, and it was covered so spectacularly over there. that was when you realized our cable news had become an airborne disease and made it to india. >> you had the head of the nsa on your show. >> he ran it during its most

active period. >> when they were most active around the world. >> defending us most rigorously, you might say. >> and you would say, you probably don't know that i am a brit. >> oh, we know. >> i e-mailed the questions to our producer and in the subject line i had written "general alexander questions," and there was a moment when i thought, should i do this? should i call it something else? it's weird. >> did you learn your interview style from jon? >> this week we had stephen hawking on as our guest. >> i have done the same thing. i want to compare notes. >> i wanted to speak with him for a multitude of reasons. he is a fascinating guy, very funny, and a great sense of humor. he is obviously wrongly defined by his disability.

it is the least interesting part of the man. i hate the idea that when most people think of him they think that guy in the chair with the sonic voice. and that's not right. there is a personality there. there is not much left of his body. >> but here is the difficulty when you go see him. i did this five years ago. you have to submit the questions because he needs time. >> and it's actually gotten worse over the last few years. he is really slow down. his physical limitations are worse than ever. >> so, how did you meet the challenge? >> we e-mailed back-and-forth. i e-mailed him some of the bigger questions that would take him more to respond. i said i would like this to be funny. i know you have a good sense of humor. i will ask you this on the back of it. it's a dumb question. you can get me. and he would come up with a slam.

>> he is engaged in the game. >> the difficult thing in approaching that in a comedic context, that interview, is that his face cannot -- is not very expressive anymore. he really only has one working muscle. so i was concerned about showing that he was involved and having fun in the game, and there was one moment when i knew he was about to get me when i swear you could see his face light up because he knew he had a zinger ready and was going to drop it on me. and it was awesome. >> he had it ready. he pushes a button and it is there. >> well, that's the thing. long gone are the days when he is pushing anything. he triggers it with a blink. and he got me. and he knew he got me.

>> why was he so interesting for you. >> because i think, again, like most people i don't know for sure -- at one point, i was in his office and i was quite close to the blackboard and my shoulder brushed it, and they did run over, whoa, whoa, whoa. >> you just rubbed out the theory of the world. >> i just wanted to get out the fact that there is a human being in there whose mind is incredibly agile who is not just about the work. it's hard to get that because there is not much physically left. i wanted to try to show the man inside this incredibly difficult situation. and because he is funny, i wanted him to be funny, and he was. >> one of the great things about having a show is you can get up in the morning and say who do i want to meet and how do i find

him? one of the reasons i like it so much is that there is a curiosity about the world around you. this is the world i live in and i am interested in the world i live in. do you then have to take it to the next step and say but can i make it funny? can i find the irony? >> yes. exactly. because there are places where you go naturally, this person is incredibly fascinating, but to what extent can you apply humor to that in a way to make it interesting in a different way, because you don't want to be too abrasive sometimes. there are places where irony is difficult. even talking to stephen hawking, you are worried it can come across as bullying. >> or patronizing. >> sure. people infantilize them all the time. and he is smarter than almost everyone, so there is no need to do that. you want to show that he can

stick up for himself. in other interviews, you want to work out where irony is useful and where to be a problem. i did a piece about unesco in gabon for the daily show, and i was worried about how iron he would work in a classroom that was about to get shut down cache irony would work in a classroom that was about to get shut down for kids in south africa. that was a time when you had to be careful. >> suppose you had a brilliant idea and you did not want to put it on your show for whatever reason. could you pick up the phone and call jon and say man, do i have an idea, i'm coming back over to do something. >> i don't know. probably we could do that. he has been amazing.

>> and you could have him on your show if you wanted to. >> i speak to him at least on e-mail probably once a week just to ask him about stuff. >> you said, i live with the idea that i don't want to disappoint jon. >> he is still my high water mark. i don't want to let him down. i didn't want to let him down when i was sitting in his job for him and i still don't want to let him down now. he is the benchmark for me. >> why did you become a comedian? >> because i had no place else to go, charlie. >> is that right? >> pretty much. >> when did you realize you were funny? >> as a kid, i wanted to be a footballer. i wanted to be like david beckham -- in every way. my voice is too low. we know that now. i love comedy. i started doing it in college

and i loved doing it so much i felt i would have to give it a go. i started. i struggled. i was a few years in to doing it barely professionally, sustaining myself, but not a dignified life -- but it still counts. >> what is an example of sustaining myself but not a dignified life? >> you can't afford orange juice with pulp in it. that is still my barometer. it's like concentrate with water on top. >> it still that low. >> still that low? you have been too successful for too long. i have done that for years, and i remember my dad saying to me i really admire that you never gave up. it never occurred to me that was an option.

it was chilling to me. i remember going upstairs and thinking hold on, should i have given up? it's too late now. i have no transferable skills, if this doesn't work it's a disaster. >> the other side of that is people stick it out and never think about doing anything else and believe somehow, someway, and they can't quite figure out, and then once they've done it and they look back and they say, i would never do that again. i would never do that again. if i had known it was that hard i wouldn't have done it. but when you are doing it, you don't think about it. >> especially with standup. jon and i talked about this a bunch. it's almost self-selecting because it is so miserable when you're starting out. you are being routinely humiliated.

you're going places you're not required. you can't afford relationships. you can't afford orange juice with pulp. there is no upside. if there is any reason to quit, you will find it. it self selects people who are so drawn to it that they will go through whatever -- >> so people who will not make it will find a way to except not making it. >> there is an amazing episode of louis in the first season that i found really moving. there is one episode where he gets the night off, he gets a babysitter, and he tries to go out with some friends and it just doesn't work. it doesn't work at all. he's not happy. he doesn't feel like he fits in. he walks home. he walks past a terrible comedy club, basement club. he walks in and says who's in? it's like six guys, some tourists.

and he goes in and he bombs. and he's really enjoying himself. and he gets home and takes his daughters out for an early breakfast at a diner. for me, that hit so hard. i am normally the most comfortable in some of the most disgusting places. i remember my wife's parents coming to see me in a grimy standup club. >> this is an american family. >> i think they were thinking, why do you -- this doesn't smell nice or look nice. the carpet is sticking to you. why are you doing this? because this is where i am happiest. and you could feel -- >> this is our daughter. >> i feel unclean like the grease of onion rings in the air. >> when did you have some sense where you felt it had paid off? when did you have a degree of

success? not saying you had made it. >> i think there might be a single moment. graham norton employed me to write on a show during an election in england. and he -- i made him laugh. and i remember thinking it was a proper laugh. he really laughed hard. and i remember thinking, i think i'm good now. it's the house's money from now on. there was a legitimacy. i wasn't crazy to do this. he thinks i'm funny. that was probably the point where i thought i'm ok. >> how did you get hired by the daily show? >> they were looking for someone. they were about to lose a couple

of correspondents. ed helms was going to the office and rob cordrey was leaving for a sitcom. they needed someone and they threw the net a little bit wider. i think ricky gervais -- i did not know him. >> he recommended you even though you did not know him? >> i think he said to jon, take a look at this guy, and it happened very fast. >> there is within the club of comedians a sense of who is doing what well, who is starting to hit. >> one of the most exciting things is seeing comedians you have not seen before doing good stuff. but i just started on the daily show and i remember seeing him very early, michael shelly. he is a really good standup. i remember seeing him do standup and thinking wow. you are going to be great. >> much success to you. >> thanks, charlie. >> it's great to have you on

this program. i hope that you will come back. >> whenever. >> john oliver. thanks for joining us. see you next time. ♪

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