>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." we continue our coverage of the conflict in gaza. israel announced a four-our

humanitarian cease-fire that past punctuated by attacks on both sides. israel he strikes on a busy market killing 15 injuring 150 others. , shells hit a united nations school in gaza. ron dermer, israel's ambassador to the united states, joins me now. i'm pleased to have him on the program. welcome back. tell me what's happening in terms of your communication with your government on the ground in gaza. >> we are trying to a sustainable cease-fire that will essentially achieve three goals. the first is to bring an end to the rocket attacks. nearly 3000 have been fired in 200el and equivalent to million americans have been going to bomb shelters multiple times per day. we want to take care of these tunnels that have been dug from gaza into israel where terrorists infiltrate and

pop-out from the israeli side and tried to kill civilians and soldiers. we lost a number of soldiers days ago from the tunnel attacks and we are in the process of destroying them as we speak so we want to make sure during a cease-fire, after a cease-fire, we need to destroy those tunnels. the third thing we want to do, charlie, is we want to make sure is that hamas does not arm themselves after. we now have three rounds of confrontation with hamas. the first was the end of 2008. then we had the pillar of defense in 2012. this is the third time. we have to make sure we do not have a fourth one and a year-and-a-half which means we need an effective mechanism to prevent hamas from just rearming, rebuilding those tunnels and those of the discussions we are having now. how do you affect an immediate and sustainable cease-fire? bloomberg.com those -- >> those

comes that whatever he after hamas will be worse. >> i read a book on the rise and fall of the third reich about the british ambassador at the time from germany telling his home office back in london they should take it easy with hitler because the next guy would be worse. genocidal terror organization calling adjust for the destruction of israel and they not only fire thousands of rockets with suicide bombers, tunnels, every single act of terror you can think of but the call for the murder of jews worldwide. these people were dancing on 9/11 with thousands of americans dead and the leader of hamas, right now hidden somewhere in gaza, he condemned the united states for killing osama bin laden. it's hard to remember someone worse than hamas. >> are you trying to wipe out the hamas leadership today? >> the objective of this

operation is sustaining peace and quiet for israel. they have had to take action against this terror organization . it is not just recognized as a terror organization in the united states but eu, australia, canada, and even in egypt. we have taken certain measures in order to protect our people and we continue to do with necessary to protect our people. the goal of our operation is not to reconquer gaza and fully dismantle hamas -- that is a goal that militarily could be achievable but not the goal of the operation. we want to restore sustained quiet. it dramatically if we can, if not militarily. >> what do you think will be necessary? the only way you could ever do that is to occupy gaza and that's the last thing you want to do. the last operation in 2012, the pillar of defense. most people at the time were opposed to a cease-fire because

they were afraid we would be in another round very soon. it turns out a cease-fire held more or less for about a year and a half. 2013 was the quietest year in israel. it did not mean there were no rockets. we have 74 mortar fired over the course of 2013 that ended up being the quietest time in a decade. the hope is after this round that hamas will be deterred both because we have degraded its deep abilities and also we have damaged its intention of attacking us knowing that they will not get away with attacking us with impunity. they will pay a heavy price. the additional hope is maybe because of the changing government in egypt that we might be able to put in place mechanisms that will make it exceedingly difficult for hamas to rearm and rebuild its arsenal in gaza. we will have sustained quiet for much longer. >> lead story in "the washington post," public support is broad

and growing. forgh approval rating netanyahu leadership. the people in hamas say the same thing about the people in gaza supporting what hamas is doing. >> that's not true because hamas just had to execute people in gaza challenging their role. i don't know if that has been widely reported on in the press but the people in gaza, there's a lot of anecdotal evidence that they are fed up with hamas because they know they are not achieving anything. i'm sure there are many people are not obviously they zionists. when you are being hit in war, no one will look towards israel and say they support it, but i think they understand hamas is taking them down the wrong path. charlie, is the people in gaza cannot speak out any more than the people in iran who dislike the regime can speak out because these are brutal regimes. hamas executed people who spoke against them because they don't

want a situation where they're facing rage of the people of gaza. >> how far will israel go to wipe out hamas? how far are you willing to go to achieve your objective? we have to go as far as we have to go. you hope you do not have to go all the way henry conquering the whole area to wipe them out. i want to remind your, charlie, 12 years ago in arbitration -- in operation defensive shield, that was in a time of the worst attacks in march 2002 where we lost hundreds of israelis to suicide bombing including the passover seder bombing. well that these palestinian areas and we dismantle the terror infrastructure that existed in the west bank at the time. a long time and we built a security fence. we saw a drastic decline in terrorism emanating from the west bank. in the case of gaza, we have not

done such a broad, sweeping operation and that is not the current goal of the current operation. who knows? hamas might think they will just keep firing and continue to make their people pay this horrific rice and we may have to take further action. we hope that does not happen and we can find a cease-fire that can be turned sustainable. >> what are you hearing from the united nations because of what's been happening in the last 24 hours to the united nations facility? to get the facts straight. there is a rush to judgment on israel. we had a case two days ago where there were reports that there was an attack on a hospital in gaza and then attack and a refugee camp where a number of children were killed. most reports said israel was responsible. some of the fair-minded people said it has become a "he said she said" situation. we got a radar photo -- i have

it here and i don't know if you can see it on the screen -- but you can see right here on the screen, we know we have rockets fired from inside gaza. these were fired by palestinian islamicist jihad. one went into the sea. one hit the hospital. one hit the refugee camp. ironas intercepted by the dome. here was a case where everyone rushed to judgment. how could israel attacked the hospital, kids playing in a playground? it turned out it was completely false. those were rockets fired by islamist jihad at israel that fell short. about 10% of the 2000 plus rockets fired at israel, nearly 3000 i should say, fall within gaza. the case of the human school, i don't know if we investigated exactly what happened but we do not target u.n. schools. if hamas has used u.n. schools

as a storage depot for their weapon, we have had now three schools that rockets have been found in. unrwa, the relief workers, it is not supposed to be a rocket warehouse and that is you have. we now may have found the tunnels. >> some are not. >> i'm not saying they all are, but how can you have u.n. schools being used to store rockets? people should be outraged about this. according to reports just before i walked dan, we may have had a tunnel that comes from a human medical clinic, used to attack israel and kill our civilians, it may have originated in the .n.an medical clinic -- u medical clinic. a number out of our soldiers were killed because it was booby-trapped. we have to speak out against the use of human shields.

they fire on our civilians but they are using hospitals, schools, mosques in a way that is unacceptable. many people or friends of israel are asking how far is it necessary to go to achieve the objectives that you think are important? do we have to have this level of violence against the people of gaza? in order to achieve the objective you said, quiet. >> look -- >> targeting civilians or not, they are being hit. most of them are civilians and many of them are children. i would notall, rush to judgment on that. hundreds of hamas fighters have been killed. time after time, the statistics come out from a palestinian health ministry run by hamas and they say everyone is a civilian. weight. hold your horses -- wait. you will see that at least 50%

of these people are hamas fighters. understand that we are under attack. the way israel should be judged by the international community is not by a standard of perfection. every serious responsible country has to act. how would we act when faced with a similar threat? we act when thousands of rockets are being fired at us? how would we act if our military is going in house to house and being fired upon? how would we act if we had an enemy using human shields, hospitals, mosques and schools to store weapons? are we going to hold back or try to route this out? that's what israel is doing in the most cautious way. no military in history has used such caution and try to get the innocents out of way. >> where are they going to go to get out of harms way? the time between notice and getting people together in some cases has not been that long.

most cases, usually we give them a couple days to get out of major areas where we know there will be ground forces coming in. in some of the worst battles, we told them 48 hours before the get out. we told him to get out to where to go that they will not be hit. they have places to go. the whole u.n. system has been penetrated by hamas. this is a major problem. how do you not have a safe haven, school, hospital, mosque? how can you not have places in gaza? -- have noe -- hamas moral inhibition that old. they do not play by any set of rules. that's what israel is dealing with. circumstancesny in which you would deal with hamas directly? what would they have to do? 10. me one through >> they have to accept israel's rights to exist.

these are made by the international community to be a legitimate interlocutor. what are we going to negotiate, the turns of our disruption? -- the terms? >> i know you will not negotiate the terms. if they -- as you know, i did an interview with the political leader of hamas and i thought i heard you criticize me because i kept pursuing the question of what you are prepared to do? israel's righte to exist? suppose they would come to that conclusion. would that change things? >> of course. then you are in a different reality. that's what happened when the plo crossed the rubicon and they recognized israel's right to exist. they did not abide by that and it yasser arafat was saying one thing in the west end something else to his people. mahmoud abbas has been different in that he has not partaken of violence but palestinian

society, charlie, is basically split in two. you have political leadership israel'sommitted to destruction openly and the other half of palestinian society is not prepared to confront the first half. they are not committed to violence and it's good that president abbas has not committed to violence. granted, take that for but for abbas to be a peace partner, they have to accept israel's right to exist. they don't. they say they never will. willterror organization just arm itself in order to achieve that goal. looking at the negotiations, john kerry was in paris negotiating with the foreign ministers of qatar and turkey. david ignatius was critical for trying to negotiate with qatar .nstead of egypt do you agree with david ignatius on that? do you think you should talk to

somebody who talks to hamas? an issue in actually achieving the cease-fire because the relationship between the egyptian government and hamas is not the same that it was. qatar arerkey nor positive influences in our region. everyone should know that the egyptian cease-fire proposal is the only deal in town. hamask they should push into accepting that cease-fire. they are obviously under enormous clinical, economic, military pressure but there is only one route -- except the egyptian proposal and try to find a way to move forward so that we do not repeat these operations ever year-and-a-half or every couple years. >> i'm sure you've asked yourself this, certainly a lyrical leadership as asked him why under the barrage that is being rained down upon them in gaza, why do you think they are continuing? >> other than the general rule

that they want to attack jews and destroy israel? they are under enormous pressure. they are politically isolated with no friends in the region. the change in egypt has hurt them considerably to the egyptians knocked out about 90% of the tunnels that were used between egypt and gaza to smuggle weapons and goods. they were kicked out of syria because of the battles that were taking place there. their friends in the region are basically qatar, the turks, the iranians and that's it. they are under enormous pressure because once the tunnels were destroyed that was a source of income for hamas. they are not getting income from the tunnels the way they did before. they're not getting income from the palestinian authority. we collected tax revenue and we transfer it over to the pa every month. they are not transferring it to hamas. they are under enormous political and economic trash or ran they want to break out of this isolation.

>> should the pa transfer it to hamas to pay the civil servants? >> no. why do we want to strengthen a terror organization? what's the point? they are on life support and they want to fire rockets at israel to get out of a problem. why should begin them more energy? why recharge a battery only for distraction? that's what they want to do. once we get a cease-fire proposal and hopefully they will agree because they are paying a heavy price, we have to make sure it is sustainable by having mechanisms in place that prevents them from rearming in the future. here's the interesting thing, charlie. the government may make it very difficult now because of the relationship to actually get to a cease-fire. unlike the morsi government in egypt, it may be much easier to make a cease-fire sustainable. now you have a partner in egypt that does not want to see hamas rearmed.

thatmakes it more likely we can have a sustainable cease-fire. >> not only that but in order to somehow get to some equilibrium here, the egyptians would have to agree to open the borders again. >> israel has not had a problem with open borders between egypt and gaza. >> egypt does. >> that's another question and i'm sure it egypt will make the decisions that they think are in their own interest. from israel's point of view, we don't have a problem with goods coming into gaza. we put goods in there through transit points that we have. during the war, it's important to note that we put a lot of food and medicine in every single day even when they fire rockets at our civilians, supplies are constantly going into gaza. it has not been cut off. problem with a those passages being manned by the epa, the palestinian authority, which would be better than hamas.

our problem is with weapons items likeand due use concrete and chemicals. six months ago, a year ago, people were asking why we were ironnting concrete and with these heartless israel he is not allowing the people in gaza to build a better future. the problem we have is they were using concrete to build this labyrinth subterranean fortress of tunnels. they were using iron to manufacture the rockets to be fired at israel. that's the problem we have. we have to have a mechanism in place to make sure goods are building a better future and not to fuel the hamas war machine. that's what we have to discuss once we get to a cease-fire. >> why isn't your objectives simply to destroy hamas? why don't you just say you're going to wipe them out? advocate in israel that that is not the objective. >> why isn't it the objective?

it is anof all, objective that is militarily achievable but everything comes with a price. israel could do that and it would be a very big price for our soldiers, a huge price for palestinian civilians considering what hamas is and how they embed themselves in the civilian population. is not the only enemy that israel faces. the prime minister who has the weight of the world on his soul -- shoulders has to look at the entire region and all of the threats facing israel, not just from one front but we have many issues to deal with. rocketsh has 100,000 and we have the disintegration of states in the region and security problems that arise from that. the worst issue is the pursuit of nuclear weapons from iran. it is not just one problem, go in and solve the one problem

because there are other issues the prime minister has to deal with and he has to make a decision and a calculation. what is the most important thing for israel's security at any specific time? that is why he specifically outlines the goal not to dismantle all of hamas'infrastructure but to restore peace and quiet to the people of israel through deterrence, not reconquer and gaza. >> ron, think you're so much for joining us. ron dermer, ambassador from israel to the united states. he was recently profiled in "the new york times," described as "devious brain." that and more. back in a moment. stay with us. ♪

>> sabrina tavernise has been covering ukraine for "the new york times." she was one of the first to reach the crash site of malaysian flight 17. this week, she is able to join us for a longer discussion and i'm pleased to have her here. let me just go back to the crash scene. how soon did you get there? there at about 8:00

p.m., a few hours after the plane had been shot out of the sky. it was coming close to getting dark. few ragtaga firefighters putting out a quiet large fire in the fuselage area of the plane. an hour or sot from amsterdam so it was full of fuel burning hotly and largely. really, other than the firefighters, there were not that many people out there. there were some rebels milling around, some villagers. the plane had landed, the biggest part landed in between these two villages where people had cows and chickens, very rural agricultural peasants. we got out of the car and looked around. -- really most

incomprehensible contrast i think i've ever seen in my life. there were these incredibly beautiful expanses of farmland, sunflower field, wheat field, very tall green grasses. there were bodies everywhere. it was -- we drove up and immediately went down into the tall grasses and saw we started to count. 1, 2, 3. the collective sadness of that place was -- it's impossible really to convey. it was very strange, very upsetting -- >> and you've seen a lot. >> i was telling my husband and my friends that i have seen cafés moment after they've been

suicide bombed, seen the military and iraq and afghanistan, i've been in pakistan with suicide bombings but there was something about this place that really affected me. i think, you know, part of it was just the expanse of it. miles of pieces of plane and people. emptiness and the the quietness of it. usually you come upon a disaster of those proportions and you think, "ok there's going to be police, police tape, rescue vehicles." there were some rescue workers milling around. >> no supervision. >> no one was in charge going through the field taking photographs, measuring things. there were a handful of journalists and there were not

really many people left in eastern ukraine about point in these people -- >> and their possessions. other thing that was difficult to absorb. they were all in these tall grasses. you could not see them from the road. you literally have to walk through the grass and sort of come upon them. withield was scattered this very strange assortment of things. .here were peacocks there were two parents. there was a whole crate of chickens and brown feathers everywhere from them. there were people's suitcases and the belongings had just spilled out onto the grass, bathing suits, guidebooks, oil , shoes.face lotion these people were so close to being alive.

you saw the little water bottles that the plane had given them and blankets and you just felt and hearcould see them them having those conversations with their kids, their spouses a minute before it had happened. it just felt -- it felt unbelievable. it felt like it was impossible that it had happened. >> what do we know now from the investigation as to who is responsible? the americans feel quite artain that the missile was surface-to-air missile and that it was shot from the area of eastern ukraine. americans feel pretty certain that the plane was shot down by rebels. the russians dispute that though, if you look closely at president putin's statement immediately after, it was a bit of a non-denial denial.

he said it happened because ukraine -- >> is possible that you correct russians were operating? >> the americans are not really not telling us if they know. they are saying they are sure that rebels were trained in do not know who physically actually pulled the trigger. >> do they know when it came into eastern ukraine? there is speculation of a video that had been circulated and i don't know if you encountered this, but it showed the alleged buk, the name of the missile system, coming into eastern ukraine, firing into the air. and then it being taken back into russia. really it only spent 10 hours or something like that in eastern ukraine. thehe west has ratcheted up sanctions because of this. >> that's right.

>> we have seen what kind of response from vladimir putin? a veryink it was interesting moment immediately after the crash because he appeared almost frozen. there was this rate silence. the russians was a deer in headlights for a few days. there was really no response at all. a the crash site, you had sense of that. that first morning, we were working very quickly in the gray dawn because we were expecting rescue workers to come immediately and shut it down, but no one did. there were rescue workers gathering that they never came into the fields. it was like they were waiting someone to give an order, waiting on someone to decide what to do. no one knew what to do and these people were just lying there and they were just standing, watching. i remember thinking, why? >> because it was a contaminated site? >> it's possible they were given

an order not to touch anything because that's what the europeans wanted but it was very confusing that morning. >> they did turn over the black boxes without being tampered? >> they did turn over the black locks is to a group that late onemalaysia very night, it was almost 2:00 in the morning when they did it. several foreigners, three malaysians working at the crash site for the better part of five days. they were working their really unmolested. they were with the osce. >> the rebels did not try to stop them? >> correct. they, like many western journalists who had come in to cover it, they would go to the road, take photographs, write things down. it was really only when the ukrainians decided to do some

major military pusher her right around the area of the crash site two days ago that the dutch delegation was stopped from going in. goingvestigators had been in and looking around. there was a narrative that the rebels were blocking, but i think it was actually much more complicated. >> too early to tell if this will have a consequence to the future of ukraine? you know, i think the future of ukraine, initially the hope was that it would be a turning point. it would be proven that the rebels were the ones who shot the plane down and no one could possibly back them after such a tragedy caused by them. i think what has happened, unfortunately, is the narrative has sort of congealed, and away, in eastern ukraine. that is what people there believe that the ukrainians shot it down. >> the government shut it down. >> correct. >> they are opposed to the

government and they do not trust the government. correct. there have been several ukrainian bombings in the area. when we first are talking to the heard thisthey terrible thing falling from the sky and we thought it was the ukrainian government plane coming to bomb. there is a great hostility to kiev been the central government out there. people see what they want to see based on their politics. >> how strong would they be without russian support? would collapse almost immediately. the americans have accused the russians of giving the rebels a lot of tanks, heavy armor, equipment, weapons. you see that all around out there. we spent days and days, 5, 10 hours in the car and we drove all of those roads and we saw many tanks, many armored personnel carriers and you see

them out there. certainly, it's coming. >> what is it like? the tragic moments of the plane crash was that everyone wanted to know who did this. who were the people who pulled the trigger? they must have been monsters. for the most part, i have spent the better part of two months driving around in those roads and living in those areas, these people are indigenous people who are often called minors, clerks and various departments, drivers of buses. they are kind of just people living there who feel threatened that the ukrainian government is bringing tanks and planes to suppress the rebellion. for the most part, they are impoverished. for the most are, their pants are tied together with pieces of string.

cow, very old rifles. many of them took pains to point out to us, look when my gun was made. look up the stamp -- 1945, 1952. the reald pieces of equipment so the narrative that formed out there that ukrainian government shut down the plane, it makes sense. these guys don't have enough money to eat never mind have a fancy piece of equipment. >> do they want ukraine simply to be connected to russia? of theng the leadership guys we've seen interviewed. is ae leadership relatively nasty lot. they are mostly muscovites. they are high on the idea that they are leading this kind of rebellion and it is their war. they have very extreme nationalist views. i would say for the most part,

the rank and file, they are confused. part, people do not want ukraine to be part of russia. idea aboutome vague how we should just be on our own, which is obviously not sustainable. >> they want to be partitioned? >> they want to be able to make their own decisions about who they elect. >> were they ukrainian or did they speak russian? russianare culturally and russian as their main language. many of them do not understand ukrainian. they felt very alienated with n the revolution my don' and they deposed leader from their part of the country and they feel that it is alien to them. now they have the government coming in. they're coming to us, our land, shooting at us, we are trying to

defend ourselves. do you and other correspondents who are closer to putin or cover him believe the sanctions will have an impact? >> i think the sanctions are not unimportant. people were originally laughing them off because the russians don't care. i think that they do and thinking people in russia are very worried about them. >> rich people. >> rich people in russia are important. i think that putin himself is going back to the angela merkel quote is "in another world." it is unclear to me what reality he is operating in. putin had nothing to do with it and this is what happens when people get out of control without weapons. >> that's probably the most likely scenario. this is just an extremely dangerous situation.

me whatt clear to future is for it. the time i've spent in eastern people areu know, enraged and very bitter towards the central government in kiev. those missiles that they should from our extremely imprecise. they are shooting at each other with the soviet-era rockets that landed in this vast area. dropping dung bombs, big chunks of steel that explode. it's like world war ii basically. they hit a house in that becomes a rebel base. it's not clear to me how the ukrainian government will pick up the pieces. even if they managed to sort of sin do the area. >> the economy is in bad shape

and needing help from the west as well. great to see you. back in a moment. stay with us. ♪ is with me,yazami the president of morocco's national council for human rights. in a recent appeal, he said human rights have improved but there are still a long way to go. i'm priest to have them here at the table for the first time. welcome. >> thank you, mr. rose. >> tell me about you. how many years were you in prison? >> exile. i was sentenced to life imprisonment. there was no human rights defendant. >> what year was that? 1997. we were young. we wanted democracy and human rights in morocco. we had lots of isolation. lived inrocco and i

france more than 30 years. >> when did you come back in morocco? >> 2004. i was asked to be a member of the commission because one of my achievements in morocco was to launch the moroccan commission which worked on human rights and gave reparations to the former knick once -- victims. also, we had reports with lots of recommendations to guarantee the reputation of human rights relations. was it based on the model we saw in south africa, truth and reconciliation? >> it was similar and different.

two weeks before i was in tunisia, there is the commission in tunisia but until now, the and then another in africa. >> what do you hope to accomplish? >> there is a challenge in our region. iraq,e this in libya, egypt, yemen, syria. the challenge in our region is to reform democratic in a peaceful way. to do what europe in the united states accomplished in five or six centuries. the process of reform is quite an >>. we want -- it is quite complex. we want a peaceful, democratic society. it is quite difficult.

the arabthat before spring. we begin also with 10 years before with the reform of the family code giving women more rights. one of the challenges in arab and islamic countries is between men and women. there are lots of problems there. they making progress on that? inin our societies, males societies like ours, tunisia, lebanon, they silence revolutions. urban, young, connected to society. 51% of moroccans are under 25 years. .hey now live in the cities we are about 7 million moroccans on the internet.

you have to give jobs to this young population. >> and/or unemployment rate -- and your unemployment rate? 180,000 numeral aachen's asking for jobs. moroccans asking for jobs. they are asking for democracy and rights. so weve more than 50,000 have a vibrant society. people are asking for their rights just now. " saide new york times king mohammed asked for social reform guaranteeing more socially quality and attention to human rights but those changes were once again cosmetic despite urges. real democratization, many argue, is the only change that will serve the monarchy in the long run. know, wek that, you

have 60 provisions. implement this constitution. we need a partnership with countries like the united states, europe. we are the only country to have an advanced statute with the european union. we have an open country but we need to work harder, you know? i do not want to say morocco is a paradise for human rights but the difference with other arab ourtries, we are doing homework. we are doing it swiftly. too slowlyimes it is in my point of view. i spoke to parliament last weekend i said we need to work

faster. >> what was the response? it will be quite important two laws onave equality between men and women. we also need to work harder on some vulnerable groups, you know? >> like children. >> like children and handicapped persons. they are 10% of our population. is nothing for handicapped people to guarantee their rights. difference between the new king and the former king, his father? countryco is the only which was not under ottoman occupation. we were one of the last .ountries

we have had a monarchy more than 13 years. the difference may be is that we are the only afghan country that did not notice under the former king, his majesty mohammed the sixth, the free-market economy from our independence today. we were and we are a pluralistic .ountry we are the only arab country with a jewish museum for now. are arabs,that we jewish also, africans. continuity in our

political history is a fact, you know? the difference between the former king and the king now is had powerormer king after the independence with the strong left and huge struggle now, we have a young king really committed to reforms , committed to women's equality, and also committed to moderate islam which is a huge challenge now in africa. book ie was a recent read a review of. maybe you can help me with the pronunciation? >> the cousin of the king. >> what did you think of that book? >> it is his personal point of view. he doesn't answer the

question, how would you reform the arab world?" how would you reform it peacefully. how would you guarantee the different points of view? certain persons in our society and then you have islam, people from different points of view. ,ou know, we can launch wars but the question is how to reform this with social and economic challenges within the global world. >> what's the relationship like today between the united states and morocco? >> i think we have a close relationship. they share common values. we want reforms in the region peacefully. morocco is working hard. we are sometimes asked to do

more, but i also think we ought to do more. have more economic partnerships. >> with the united states. with the global market. >> in some areas with human rights, for instance, partnership can be great with the judiciary. >> because the rule of law is very important. without the independent , you cannot have rights without an independent judiciary. i think america can help us a lot. investment -- >> and by training.

>> i'm a bit confused when you say that people are demanding a democracy. i assume you're referring to a constitutional monarchy as part of the democratic process? >> there are lots of monarchies in democratic societies. spain, norway. in the moroccan constitution now, the only source of laws is the parliament. in the formal constitution, the king can draft laws. he cannot do it anymore. you have an islamist political party ruling the country. accepting thes fact. we had real elections with more than 3000 observers from the

national democratic institute and from the united states. , you have au know way to advance by killing each other and we have chosen the other way. to have elections, to have monarchy.ith a >> is part of the reason you're this-- not necessarily at table -- but to give a different side of the face of morocco? >> we are preparing the second international world forum on human rights. brazil organize the last one in december and we are hosting the second one next november. i went to meet people from the international human rights ngos

to invite them. relationshipsf and i've met people from the united nations. people who have been victims of human rights violations say to me the thing that is most important is to know that someone knows you're there. is that correct? council, wetional received last year more than 40,000 letters of complaints of our citizens. the majority of these letters powers.link with our moroccans think that human rights are important. cans an institution which

to look out for them, try to help them. important toquite know at the international level but also in your country, you can count on some persons and some institutions. >> thank you for coming. a pleasure to have you here. ♪ .

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