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>> from our studios in new york, this is "charlie rose." james cameron is here. one of hollywood's most interesting direct heirs. -- directors.

he wants that his purpose is make it is not money so he can dive. passion, thea new diving to the bottom of the marina trench. here is the trailer for the deep "james cameron's sea challenge 3d." >> he is on a mission to die to the deepest -- dive to the deepest part of the sea. >> 37,000 miles to the bottom. a new record for a so low man dive. >> he is the first to ever reach the bottom of the marina trench. beneath captures

the imagination. >> this is james cameron's most ambitious project yet. i have seen astonishing things in the depths, things that fill your soul with wonder. >> if we knew what was there we wouldn't have to go. >> seven miles straight down. the last great frontier of our world. it is my dream to build a machine to take us there. we are going to do things the governments of the world cannot do. something nobody else can do. ofwhen you die to the bottom the ocean you have to face the fact that there are a hundred terrible waste to die. the water will bus through. churned into a

meat cloud in seconds. >> we have to put ourselves against the elements. dive.e tave to >> here we go. moment of truth. we have a problem. you realize you are in the metal coffin. >> it is getting weaker and weaker. >> may be risks shouldn't be taken. maybe the consequences to our families are two great. -- too great. expedition comes with the rest. it is worth something. isis the need to see what there beyond the edge of your legs, to see it for yourself. >> this is a story of a man's

great obsession to go to the bottom of the ocean. >> it felt like science fiction we were doing it. it was like being in a spaceship. it was like being launched into space. >> i want to talk about how you prepared. take me to the beginning. was this idea of being an explorer deep inside of you as a young boy? it emerged with my fascination with the natural world. i was surrounded by woods. i would be out there catching frogs and snakes. they got me a microscope for christmas when i was 10 years old. i started looking at pond water and seeing the microorganisms that live there. to me it was endlessly fascinating. they says to, exploration is curiosity acted upon. you want to go and look with your own eyes. >> you were sidelined by movies. >> in college i couldn't decide between science, studying

physics and astronomy, and the arts. i became a lit major and started telling stories. the narrative drive was there. that took over. >> you wrote something called "the abyss." what was the story? >> interestingly it was about scientists leaving a submerged base, similar to what i made into the movie, and they are they don'ta wall and come back. the ones that are left behind wonder what happened and go after them. they keep going into the darkness and they don't return. down to find out what happens to his buddies. he gets the point of no return. his curiosity overwhelms his caution and he keeps going. that is how the story ends. >> were there moments where curiosity may have overwhelmed caution? >> absolutely. that is the danger.

self-knowledge is a beautiful thing when you are down there by yourself. fever.ronauts call itg go we want to keep going. the engineer side says let's not do anything that is unsafe. let's minimize risk. >> then titanic came along. that was fueled by your desire to go explore sunken vessels. >> exactly. i got to have the privilege to dive to the real titanic wreck in 1995 as part of the movie project. it is not an exaggeration to say i made that films like to make those dives. >> when you make a movie like "titanic," using the same going to make it as real as i can possibly make it. which calls on your engineering

skills. mike's absolutely. we always creating new technology to realize the vision, to give something to the audience they have not seen before. ton that lead naturally creating new technology to go to places that people had never been before. whether it is inside the titanic or inside the bismarck rack, studying that wreckage, or ultimately going deeper than anybody has gone. >> compare ocean exploration with me with exploration of space. and where we are. we are muchhink better funded in space. because, it is good appropriations for a lot of big aerospace companies. not putting down in space exploration. i have been involved with it a long time. the oceans are underfunded.

desperately underfunded. especially now after the discretionary funding was cut back. the oceans are our live support system. here on spaceship earth. we need to understand them before we kill the life in the oceans or disruptive. -- disrupt it. what i'm trying to do is get people interested in next will ration on earth. and realize the ocean is this significant mud down there we need to understand. >> this morning there was a story on the bbc about this , raising themmet question of finding out how scientifically life may have begun on this planet. and maybe looking for answers in the ocean. a great provides laboratory for figuring out the early solar system. didn'tople think life come here from somewhere else. so, where? was it in a shallow pond hit by

lightning? that has been discredited as an idea. people like the idea of hydrothermal -- hydrothermal. there is a new idea that down in hat couldp trenches, t have provided energy for early life on earth. it would have been stable, quiet. >> like a big bang moment. >> it could be, in biology. it is not a widely accepted theory. we were able to find evidence to support it. >> i'm going to come back to that. andyou mentioned "titanic" "avatar." when was the dream to go to the mariana trench is -- trench? to be the explorer and the first person ever to do it? >> i think there's a mama where you step our way down a path -- there is a moment where you step

on that path, we were going down 16,000 feet on the bismarck rack. we were almost all the way. we're at the limit of our equipment. i just posed the question to the engineer sitting around one day, what would it take to go all the way? to go to 36,000 feet? it didn't exist. then the conversation got started. one thing leads to another. before you know it you are going beyond just a napkin drawing to technical drawings. >> all things begin with a question. an unanswered question. you were out there because on the return, you couldn't land for 10 days. you held off. >> on the russian trip. they needed a port permit. we were slow rolling.

we had time to look at our footage and time to think. he became -- it became a sequestered engineering group session. >> once you have the idea of why not what do you do? >> for me, once i can visualize howmachine, whatever it is, it would work, how it would feel to be in it, i have to realize that. i will be patient about it. it took seven years from the time we actually started. we started in 2005. i want to find the development of this vehicle. let's make it happen. " our "titanic" and "avatar parents to this journey. the money enabled you. i make money so i can dive. >> they were my rich parents. a let me go do my childhood fantasy. how do you start out?

do you assemble a group? it is a small community. >> i started with a guy i had worked with for a few years named ron. he is one of these genius guys. he quietly figured out many of the breakthrough technologies. just pay ron and assistance for a few years and work out the hard problems before i get a big team running. that is when the cash starts flying out the door. he figured it out. there was a moment where we went to the next stage, from this moment not it is going to be costing us money. i decided the milestone was when ron completed the sphere. >> why a sphere is important? >> you see a bubble floating through water like champagne, nature loves a sphere. it forms a sphere naturally. that is the best shape to take extreme pressure on the outside.

a cylinder won't work. a key won't work. you deal with a sphere. >> he designed a sphere that might have the possibility to withstand the pressure. >> he and i designed it together. he did the hard yards. it was an exotic material. we used a gun breech a steal that was developed in the second world war. we knew it was reliable. >> meaning? >> the breach of a big gun. it had to withstand enormous force. energy and how when the shell goes off, that is the pressure we are talking about. >> what else? >> we pressure tested the sphere and a chamber. we realized it works. we tell the science community we are doing this. they have to believe us.

now we have to wrap the rest of the sub around that spirit to get it where it is supposed to go. >> every mama on this journey we have described -- every moment in this journey, it was james cameeron inside the sphere. >> absolutely. it wouldn't be any fun. >> it had to be so low because of the demands of the trip. >> it was based on the size of the sphere. the vehicle gets bigger around the sphere. thresholdch a certain where you can't lift it on and off of the ship anymore. you are into a class of vehicles that you have to tow. >> [indiscernible] two guys on board. >> the famous oceanographic pioneers. don walter became a friend of mine.

he is in the arctic. [laughter] >> here is the interesting thing. to go down, you have these balloonsok like holding it on the surface. it has so much weight that as soon as you release them it goes like a rock. to come back up you have weights in there. those had not been able to throw them off. >> we wouldn't be having this conversation. >> little things like that. all of them have to work. >> yeah. typically when things go wrong it is not one thing that fails. it is several in a sequence. we thought of one thing. we may be thought of two things in combination. >> fire, flooding. >> exactly. i call it healthy paranoia. you think for seven years

building this thing all the things that can go wrong and you can't prevent everything and think of everything. there is always some small risk. you drive the risk down to that x factor. to take risksing on the things you could have prevented. >> somebody said that if something goes wrong, of certain dimension, and you can fix it, you know it is ok because you would have been crushed to death. >> exactly. we are talking about pressure to it would implode at hypersonic speed. faster than the speed of sound. i wouldn't feel anything. i visualize it as a cut to black. then it is everybody else's problem. >> this is exciting stuff. its exploration. it's the future. something i have always been fascinated by.

this is the man that went to the bottom of the earth. and came back to tell about it and make a movie about it. not only is it the wonder of exploration, it shows you that ,o explore you have to practice practice, practice. take a look. >> i'm going to do a final check. 18% o2. co2 is 0.3%. fan is running. looking good. compass is working. ok. descentr dissent -- . here we go. release.

see ya. my heart rate is up at the moment i tell them to release the sub. i start to drop. right-of-way there are so many things to do. establishing communications and all that. do you copy? >> deep sea challenger. how do you copy? >> i copy you loud and clear. >> copy that. >> it is like i'm talking to my grandma. >> do you want a biscuit. >> those people on top are in a boat on the surface. >> i am so reliant on the surface team. my life is in their hands. men?o are the

>> the divers, nick and dave. they became great friends. >> what is their purpose? >> they are disconnecting me from those lines as i come off the ship. to get me out of the water they are connecting me. that was a calm launch. sometimes we are in big seascapes. good divers.t i knew i was in safe hands with them. >> you said about the year is the night before. it is not when you are launched into the capsule. then it is all thinking about what i have to do. >> and excitement. anticipation. the apprehension is when you have nothing to do. the night before. i've gone semi-my checklist and written up the whole dive -- i've written up my checklist and gone through the dive. on the day you get go fever.

>> are you this way about all of life? is this simply this journey a metaphor for the way you have lived? >> probably. think if you like challenges, you put yourself in situations that test you. but, you prepare. i prepared carefully so that the test is not going to be a failure. there is always the moment of apprehension, thinking why did i do this? i know white. why.know i want to have pride in that group that we have done something nobody has done yet. >> people hearing this interview as it is broadcast, what about religion? do you have sense of some other being? >> i'm not religious in the traditional sense. when i am in these places, i call it my church.

this is where i feel connected to a greater order. when i see things that nobody has seen before, but they are incredible and detailed and perfect organisms, i think there is a higher set of principles that guide this somehow. that is when i feel the mystic takeover in my mind. >> here is a clip of you talking about that. me.t is chasing you are a mighty warrior. each one of these chance encounters is a gift from the ocean. i am grateful. this is my church. feel a powerone, i

of nature's imagination. it is greater than our own. things, there was a tragic moment in this. wenticopter taking aerials down. you lost two friends, to comrades. >> they were not just my friends. they were mentors and role models. they represent the value system that as an explorer i strove for. these were guys who had fearlessly gone to the face of sobs,whites, diving in their whole careers. and they brought such enthusiasm as filmmakers, both of them, they were such incredible representatives of the ocean and exploration.

it called everything into question. >> you had to bring everybody together. >> do we go forward? we were doing this potentially risky operation. it called into question do we take these risks? we set as a group and we face risks, all of us. said this is what these guys stood for. they believed the risks are worth it to expand the circle of human knowledge. this is what exploration is. we don't honor them by stopping. we honor them-feeling the task. it wasn't arrived at lightly. it is one thing to decide to go forward. it is another thing to find the will to do it after you have been through it. >> this did not come from an accident in terms of the work going down. this came from a helicopter. >> the great irony, here are

these guys would've been these incredibly risky situations, have done the risk evaluation, and this was the equivalent of getting in their car in the morning and driving to work. it was a helicopter and you had flown many times. i had flown in it with him. it was just one of those freak accidents. >> when i asked about whether it is a metaphor for how you approach life in terms of risk and being able to reduce risk, do you drive fast? >> i used to. >> do you test the elements? are you a pilot? >> i used to. i think earlier in my life when a young adult,r, i was an adrenaline junkie. i put that behind me. probably being a father and having kids, -- >> you are responsible not only for your life and others. >> you think of your life differently. being a director, doing big stunts and all that, you have to

change. you have to embrace a culture of safety and rigor to keep people alive. that translated. i didn't find it a strange experience on my first expedition when i had to deal with those disciplines. if you're keeping people alive as an action filmmaker, now i'm , and there are real hazards. i apply the same rules. ♪

>> when did you make the decision that we are going forward? triederything, everything. we are as perfect as we believe we can being. >> i don't think there was a threshold where we would have stopped had it not been for andrew's crash. we were racing to meet the deadline to get the sub together. we busted a few deadlines. we pulled it together in a couple of months. i think there was a moment where we first put it in the water that it was a milestone. i said to everybody, right now it is a piece of sculpture. we put in the water and it

becomes a submarine. that will be a threshold. we will go back. we drag it down to the pier, stuck it in sydney harbour, and put it down one meter. >> you had partners in this. rolex joined you in what purpose? >> i brought rolex in. they had been involved in supporting the initial dive to -- 1960.enger in 1916. the 16,000 pounds of pressure and came back taking. -- ticking. i said do you want to do that again? it reflected the dna of their watch.the initial dive they jumped in. we could not have done it without them. it is expensive. the building of the sub, the

cost, the fuel. we had national geographic and we had rolex. they built a watch for me to take down. >> the watch you have on? >> it was similar. this is a special commemorative watch they did for the expedition. they built one to withstand the pressure. >> national geographic is the place it is going to be seen. what was their contribution? >> they funded the film. the film funded the expedition. that is the castillo motto. model. cousteau that is what he initiated. he said i'm going to film this and put it on tv. but i'm going to take sciences. i always engage the science

community. i tell them, you can come, but you must publish something. we've already had a couple of papers go out on this. >> i was thinking about this. you never met jacques cousteau. the one thing you wanted. but he was for you -- >> an icon. a lot of kids these days don't know who he is. >> why 3-d? >> 3-d immerses you in this situation. for action movies it is great. you feel like you are right there with the characters. it is especially great for documentaries. as an audience member it draws you in the frame. you become part of the journey. you watch the film. you're going to go inside that tiny sphere with me.

so many have commented on the fact that they felt like they were on the dive. >> i should point this out. you could not stand up inside. you had to be lowered in the re. >> your table is bigger than the sphere was. the inside is 43 inches. it is packed full of electronic equipment. six -- the told was trip total was six hours. >how do you prepare for that? >> it is a mental discipline. i did a lot of diving where i was cramped in. i did a fair bit of yoga. i-8 did running. -- i did running. you don't want to get deep vein thrombosis. the expedition doctor was concerned about that. we did biomedical testing in the

simulator. to risk -- reduce the risk. how do you photograph when you are down there? wo cameras. you took selfies to the next level. you had for cameras on the inside so people could see you. >> those created the 3-d. camera --ght at the and one red epic camera. it is a 3-d image on me. onside we put a 3-d camera so end of a 6.5 foot boom i could turn it around. so i could shoot making contact with the bottom and look up. there's nobody else down there to do it. you want to talk about what

saw and what you felt. here is another clip. 1.3 knots. speeding to get some here. 35,200 feet. 180 feet to go. all lights facing down. let's get the spotlighting down. altitude, 110 feet. 100 feet. 78.

we should be seeing something soon. >> how much of you is aware you are making a movie and this is going to be a moving? >> aware of that when i'm talking about camera placement and how we are lighting everything. >> you are directing while you do this? >> no, i probably forget about it. john bruno did the interview work. he did the surface photography. once that hatch was closed, i was responsible for the imaging. but my main job was to perform the dive safely and get the science done. hopefully the cameras ran themselves. >> when you touched ground, what did you think? what did you feel? real, becauseeem i felt more present than i have ever felt, were you know where you are. there is a sense of amazement that you are actually there. seven miles of water above your head. there is this flush of pride,

the team, all the things we worked for, i felt a connection to the guys who built the sub. i'm a designated driver. anyone of them would trade places with me. aboutse a junk -- joke conkey me on the head and saying i was unavailable. had gone wrong. >> we were planning to have him dive as well. he would have been taken my place. i got first dibs. >> what do you see when you are down there? lunaris a very remote and kind of place. it is all about the details. people imagine the giant squid is to appear. that would be my greatest fantasy. we know scientifically the deeper you go the less energy there is to support ecosystems. you don't find huge animals. no fish.

the reason is because the pressure is so intense it dissolves calcium. bones can't exist. extreme gone to such an place life itself must adapt in these strange places. we found 68 new species. >> we are constantly discovering new species. >> sure. never these are ones seen before. >> they didn't find these. cucumbers, other invertebrates. somehow, youhis brought some of this back, we hope it might even be involved in medical discovering and treatment like alzheimer's? anthey found a compound,

enzyme in one of these animals that just coincidentally happens ande in trials now, alzheimer's treatment. let's say they hadn't found that compound another way and it was something new. it might lead to some new cure. you never know until you collect these animals and figure out how big are working at a biochemical level where it will lead. >> would you go back? >> absolutely. moviesto do the "avatar" first. >> you're making three movies. >> a year apart. each will be standalone. it will form a greater story. >> are you making them at the same time? same actors. >> same actors and we will shoot everything, and we will parse it up. >> you are clearing your mind and are making three movies. >> we know what we're doing.

we think we know what we are doing. [laughter] it always seems that way when you start up. >> why are you fascinated by avatar? decisionn interesting to decide to work in one cinematic space. had broad reach resonated, there are a lot of themes and things i feel compelled to say as a film maker. >> like what? theike the propensity for destruction of the natural world and what that means to rightersity, to live, here on earth. it is refracted through the lens of a science fiction parable. >> anything in you that wants to go to mars? >> i will go to mars in a heartbeat, absolutely. [laughter] >> it takes time.

there are others ahead of you. on.i support eli he has the technical capability to do it. when the capability really is there, i will belong in the tooth to do it. my specialization is the ocean. i should do what i do best. >> there's no doubt we will go to mars? >> i don't believe our government will send human beings to mars. >> it will depend on elon musk. >> the political will will fail. >> is there political will to explore the sea? none.re is the oceans are live support system. we need the ocean. we need to understand before we destroy. right now our rate of destruction is higher than that of understanding. >> how are we destroying it?

>> in every way we can think of. the runoff through the rivers wind up in the ocean. the food we eat we take from the ocean. we have wrecked the food web in the ocean. we are dumping chemicals from ocean.ture into the we are warming the planet that is killing the coral reefs. >> i wonder what will shock us into realizing this is urgent? essential for survival? >> it will take a shot of some kind. it will have a serious impact. it might be something that happens in the oceans that does that. i'm talking about where does the rain come from? it evaporates off the ocean. >> you will go back to the marina trench? you have this wonderful analogy about somebody who lands in a small wheatfields in iowa.

don't mean to trivialize what we did. i use an example. if you jump out of an airplane at night and land in iowa wheatfields and walk around with a flashlight, you don't get to say you explored america. if you put all these trenches together you get an area equivalent to north america. >> a continent. >> a dark continent that has never been seen. >> think what we might find. >> we have seen evidence to support the idea that life may have originated in the deep trenches. we have found evidence of that. >> i don't understand that. >> there are theories about where life came from on planet earth. the ideanew one is that the subduction process itself, the huge tectonic plates actually generates energy and

creates hydrogen, and bacteria eat the hydrogen. that is an energy source. it is not coming from above. it is coming from below. orit is stable over tens hundreds of millions of years. that is a place like might have emerged. >> they move up the chain. >> and they come up to land and you wind up with us. we could be looking right into the crucible of life itself. that is cool. we have found that energy source. we have found the deepest bacterial that has ever been observed. >> does the idea appealed to your not, you sensibly that can stay down for a while and sent off summaries. >> robotics. i'm on the advisory board. i love robots. i think there is no substitute for being there and seeing it

with your own eyes. >> there is this. it had anbe how yo exquisite order to it. i have some sense of awe about what makes this possible. do you have any search for an answer? ?hy is it >> the beauty of science and the beauty of the natural world, every question you answer poses three new questions. the spiritly embrace of science, it is job security. the investigation never ends. trying to create a framework for understanding of how it works. scientist.t lead i'm not a scientist. i don't profess to have a degree. i share the enthusiasm for science with the science community. i have scientist that are close friends. >> they share your enthusiasm

and would have loved to have been there. , are yougo back down 32016.make these movies, -- through 2016. earlyl be promoting it in 19. >> we might have all types of technological developments that will take the potential and make it exponential. >> good. cool. >> cameras. >> i will figure out ways to make it harder. you have to make it smart. it has to take targets and navigate. it has to think. it needs to solve problems. i would love to do is build that system to get that camera down there. it might well be based on some technology we developed for our vehicle. that is my hope.

it is why i donated. they historically been the most cutting-edge robotic vehicles. >> things can go wrong. the bottom of the ocean. your thrusters failed. failed. [laughter] thank god it wasn't something else. like life support. what was the thruster? >> they drive you forward and up and down. i lost a thrusters. >> sounds important to me. >> exactly. you are walking in circles because your foot is nailed to the ground. i just got stuck and couldn't proceed. >> therefore you decided to go back up. a recordanted to set for bottom time, i could have just eaten my lunch. i wanted to get back. to tell everybody what i saw. i wanted them to fix the suburbs

like to go back down. [laughter] >> this was the actual mission. >> oh yes. when i was at the bottom of the challenger deep we had plans for more dogs. i was going to go back there. go nearby.ng to we were going to look around. do some signs. i was in a herurry to get back. >> there was a moment where you had to make a decision, do we continue or not? >> they put me in the water. it was a high sea state. the weather window was so narrow. launch and a high sea state or the other way around? it's better if i get in the water, i whether you were pulling me out. >> there was a danger. weif we had a problem, if had a hold on the had to recover the sub, it would be difficult. what happened was one of my

safety systems popped open. the bag deployed. the only way to fix that is to take me back on the ship. >> i said cut it away. >> that was your decision. >> was it easy? >> i thought for the revocations. the lift bag is a backup safety system. i knew i was going to be recovering in a high sea state in the daytime. we rely on the red back to see it. i knew it was going to take them longer to find me. it was that or missed the window. i said cut it away. >> where does this rank? >> it's up there. >> just up there. [laughter] , which isrom family clearly the most important. >> delivering my children.

you have to have a sense of perspective. there are things that are part of your fiber. there is nothing you can do. it's incredible. [laughter] >> how could this happen. sense of thean the magic of birth. >> my wife and i were bonded over that experience. >> she was there. she was there on the dive. she was there at the birth. >> she was supportive of this. >> and involved. and she was stoic. it was not that she was not emotional about me leaving. her dad was in the air force. are pilots. she understands risk. she understands why you take risk.

because of the joy of flying. you trust the engineering. she had a framework to put it within that made sense. i talked her through every safety system. she understood it pretty well. smart girl. >> there is also this. illie sutton says the reason rob banks is because that is where the money is. , why do you want to climb the mountain? this, my apologies beforehand. why do you want to climb the mountain? because they are there. >> yeah. i think that is part of it. it is not the major part. i tend to be analytical. the scienceprove to community that we could build a vehicle that could go to the deepest spot in the ocean, it could go anywhere in the ocean. .t opened up a whole frontier

it was symbolic. access, ofolic of capability. i saw as the starting point of creating a platform to deliver cameras and instruments and people everywhere. everywhere down there. opening up the dark continent. >> they used to say stalking used totronaut -- they say talking about astronauts, wouldn't to say, it be great if there was a poet on board, or novelist on board? something to that, this is so amazing. artiste is a role to the within science and technology. >> to make sure we understand their medications. to take it to its highest level.

>> there are two kinds of people in the world. people who think there are two kinds of people in the world and people who don't. i think you can be a humanist and an artist, and a technologist or a scientist. at the same time. >> there is this notion of a session, perfection. >> of session would be an over focus on something. as opposed to drive and the desire to finish what you star. it is good to have the drive to finish the race you start. >> what remains? >> as an explorer, it is endless. >> tell me how james cameron at his age now, done what he has done, wants to do. >> an idea popped into my head last night i'm going to pursue. it may lead to something. we will have to see. what we would love to see is a

vehicle that could follow a sperm whale on its dive and see what it does. see how it used. see how it behaves. that vehicle would have to be completely silent so it didn't affect the echolocation. it didn't scared or change its behavior. yet see what was happening. >> and have the same agility and speed. >> it would require a new technology to do it. that excites me. >> you just thought of that. >> i was talking to some of my guys last night. we were part of the 17 thing about we could do next. how about this. you could see the wheels started to term. this is how stuff starts. >> what is it about having done what you have done about the ocean, what is it that sperm whales do? >> the many mysteries. >> what excites you?

>> what is down there? what is down there geologically? what are the causes of these tsunamis? why can't we enter stand that better? why can't we put down a network of sensors and learn? >> and forewarn us. >> why can't we do that? we are so darn smart. there is no money. >> people coming to your side of the coast. >> that's right. i bet the japanese are interested. >> congratulations. it is quite amazing. >> thank you. >> what is amazing, to suggest that while we need filmmakers and artists, we can go down with you. we can experience what you did. through this program understand what it takes to do what you did. and to see that. i mentioned national geographic.

this was june 2013. there it is. some sense of what it is that makes explorers explore. thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪

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