>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." .> marin cilic is here among

here is a look at the matchpoint. [cheers] [applause] and john to money, your u.s. open champion, marin cilic. -- ladies and gentlemen. >> he dispatched the five-time u.s. open champion in three dominant sets. at 35, he is one of the small contingent vying to be among the murray, rogery jovak.r, drabek no-bi

we love tennis. we salute you and congratulate you. at matchpoint, what were you thinking? had three love and i made it a double. serve, i just tried to relax and go for it. it went in. it was a huge emotion. >> just the culmination of everything that you've worked for. >> absolutely. to go back and think about how much it means to me and how much i was working for this all my life just hoping to make it one day to lift the trophy especially in this era with all murray,reats, federer,

it seems almost unreal. >> who have been your tennis heroes? of course, your coach. >> in croatia, that is the easiest question. earlier inted you your life. he selected your coach. >> he was recovering from his shoulder injury. he won the wimbledon championship and he played in zagreb many times. his x coach me to who was with me for many years. >> what did he do for you? >> goran, this last year that we worked together brought special things to me.

we were working toward that. so much in the off-season and also this year to change my mindset to believe in what i have to do to try and become very dangerous and try to use all of my potential. the beginning of the season was not easy. my mind was trying to keep me back. there was this ongoing battle but i broke through somewhere in the middle of the season. >> what was the battle? >> it was a battle with myself whether the change is good. >> to accept the change. is the rightt this way for me. once i went for it, i felt my game suddenly reached another peak.

everybody in the team sort of felt that really good results are going to come. >> was it an attitude? and not totude backup from my game, from the aggressive approach. before in my career, i was the kind of player where i was thinking a lot tactical. it was trying to do less preoccupation. now it is amazing. are being layers now coached by former champions, people who have been to the championship, been to the top. is this what they add to your game? >> yes. they are also experienced. what helped me the most, what i have felt now, goran went

through all of this in his career. he he played four times of the grand slam final. i was absolutely sure he was going to give me the advice i needed and i did not need to question myself or think of just let myself be in his hands. just for the match, he gave me probably the best but most simple advice before i went on the court to enjoy it out there. have fun. the other guys going to be very nervous but just try to enjoy it. >> did you enjoy it? [laughter] >> absolutely. my hand was shaking. i was not sure how it was going to end up. i was lucky to get the first break and that helped me to get the advantage. >> who gives you the most

difficulty among the singles players? djokovic. >> is good. him 10 times. i had never beaten him. way a this in some blessing in disguise? motivation,ave you time to work on your game in a different way? me, it was a new start. when i was going through that process. first of all, when i went through that, i knew nothing else was going to be as difficult for me in my life, in my tennis career, then that. it made me extremely mentally tough on the court. in the gym, i was working really

hard. just by going through that process, i wanted to come back much stronger, much more know motivated.much more the first tournament i played after that, i felt so joyful on the court just hitting some balls. i did not even bother if i was going to win or lose. it was just pure joy. unbidden knowing to you, you had done something that had turned up in a test? >> usually i was always taking like after training. i ran out of it. i was in monaco. i got some glucose tablets over test themi did not and i accidentally ingested some substance. it was sort of hidden from the

median and through the process. this is bound only in competition and it is allowed out of competition. when i took it it was out of competition. i lost the first match of the tournament so i did not make anybody lose because of that. we had to find the metabolite of these substances and they were enacted. wasas showing the substance in the system, out of competition. i see it's on the list. it would be ok for me to take it. that, itound out about was already three months after

and i already went through the first hearing. even the notification letter i received that i was positive on the main substance which was not found in my system. that was really difficult to deal with. finally i got away out of that. that was made in my favor. i also received financial help from the opposing side. >> and you appealed. >> yes. >> what makes a champion? everything he does on the , being ablehe court to day after day fishing yourself more and more.

that is ongoing process never-ending. you're just trying to maximize your potential. for the number one players in the world, they are still always trying to perform better, trying to be better. that's the beauty of the sport. champions, they never accept the failure. i feel they are not easy on themselves. they are very hard-working. goals >. their >> these are not qualities you pick up when you are 17. >> it is not. i was blessed with a talent to work and to learn. from my longtime

coach. he taught me about the game almost everything. he is probably one of the best coaches in the world in a tactical, psychological, physical way. he learned my mindset, how to read the game. >> you know it was tennis you wanted to devote your life to? >> i was 14 years old. new you are good, people had told do you had the potential to be a champion? -- you knew you were good? i came from a very small town no tradition's for tennis. had to choose to either continue with my school or go to the capital, zagreb, to continue my training and my tennis. life tod all of my

tennis. >> you said in an interesting way to all the people out there who watched you yesterday that if you work hard you have a chance. >> yes, absolutely. especially in sports, tennis particularly, you are out there on your own. many swirling around in the top 20, top 30, even lower ranked players. they are missing just a small bit. it is always difficult to motivate yourself after -- mean what separates the top ranked in the not small ranked is a small thing? >> a very small thing. today everyone in the top 30, 40, even top 100 knowhow to play tennis, of course. the best ones have the best abilities.

they know the game the best and they have everything they need to have to be at the top. if you are looking at some like one who was ranked 25 and he made it to the quarterfinals. you have so many guys ranked 40 that reallyen know how to play tennis. >> congratulations again. it was really remarkable. roger federer and then yesterday winning the u.s. open. remarkable. even you did not imagine it would be that easy. >> never. to play the best tennis of my life in the last three matches of the tournament, i could not have dreamed it. >> the best tennis of your life? >> absolutely. nextcannot wait to see the time you play djokovic.

you probably have more confidence now. >> i feel more confidence now with this victory. i gained perspective for my mind that what i do is good and it's going to be enough to win against the best guys. even this year, with novak, we played it wimbledon i was there. i slipped that but i'm feeling very close to win very many more of those matches. >> the message of this interview is -- watch out, novak. [laughter] >> hopefully. >> comeback the csf the table. it was a pleasure. -- comeback back to see us at the table. back in a moment. we continue our conversation

on isis this evening. the militant group becomes even too extreme for some fellow jihadist. some members are bending the cause. we have two journalist with great knowledge of the issue and region. news foreign, cbs correspondent who recently interviewed a man who left after fighting in syria. and tim arango, "the new york times" baghdad correspondent. isis militants claim to have killed 1700 shiite soldiers at a former american army base in june. here's a look at the interview. >> the recruits tried to flee. but it was too late. isis had arrived.

later, the recruits were paraded in public view marching toward their death. >> i'm pleased to have both of them back at the table. welcome. the president has an important speech to make. what is the imperative of the moment, as you see it? >> the imperative of the moment is to deal with not just the but ton a military level deal with this toxic ideology which is spreading like wildfire and intersecting particularly young, disaffected men not only in the middle east but we are

seeing now much more in the west. , needs to be considered in tandem with any military strategy going forward. you have to tackle the ideology. us in the west, the american government, we cannot be the one leading that charge. the aides to come from within the muslim community. -- that hasresident to come from within the muslim community. >> for the president, he needs to explain why we need to go all .n and a military intervention he has to explain that. that's is imperative. >> you think he's taken a huge risk to do with he seems prepared to do. not going all in because we are not talking about putting american troops there. thehey talk about training army again. it was an absolute failure. thekurds, they talk about

peshmerga. as soon as they move away from the border at the kurdish region, they are not going to go back. just fighting sunni allies has tried to reconstitute the awakening of the program from .006 they do not want to fight on behalf of the government again. just because there's been a change in the government in baghdad. >> and does not mean anything yet. they are talking about how the inclusive government is here. all we are talking about is the right sectarian and ethnic break down of the cabinet. al-maliki had that, too. the question is the behavior of the prime minister. we're not going to have a kurdish guy here, and everything will be fine. >> what do we know about him

that might land that he wants to be more inclusive? from the exact same party as al-maliki but his job in exile was political affairs. malik he -- a malik he was in when dustin actions against iran. they will say his personality is inclusive and that might be true plessy's under great pressure. the americans have said we will not do more in terms of the military operations unless you form an inclusive government and treat the sunni and kurds as participants. among people split who come to this table about what our relationship should be with assad. this.eel strongly about as a journalist i know you are not supposed to have strong feelings, but let's look at this for a second with the. you have more or less 200,000 people who have been savagely,

brutally murdered over the course of three years by this man, this desperate, this did haider. this dictator. there has not been a huge amount of action from the international community. then isis comes along and within a really short time, a few months, we are talking about airstrikes. there is a huge sense of momentum. we need to address this issue and that's absolutely right. imagine now you are a sunni muslim. you do not support isis but you still feel very strongly that assad is evil and has committed war crimes. there is no way you can just let this man and this regime off the one without alienating billion sunni muslims in the process. people feel very strongly about this. i have moderate sunni muslim fans who say if we get --

friends who say you are looking at moderates putting on suicide bombs. that's how strongly people feel about this. this reputation that we sometimes have for just adapting convenient that fellows is a dangerous, dangerous line to walk. everyone thinks isis comes from nowhere and that's the perception among a lot of people. we used to, isis al qaeda and iraq. assad had a lot to do with allowing al qaeda in iraq to flourish. he wanted to tie down the americans because he was worried they were going to come for him next. run byere safe houses syrian intelligence to help the foreign fighters come into joint al qaeda to find the americans. theou have just not seeing level of bombardment. have barely seen when you

compare this to aleppo day in and day out relentless bombardment, you have not seen that kind of show of force or attack. for a long time, i think isis is very convenient tool for assad buy the to continue to opposition. ultimately it will come back to you know what. >> what if we went all in with iraq? >> let's talk about that. >> the u.s. and iran are dancing around each other the same side saying they are not coordinating. in some battles you have the american warplanes in the sky and the -- he was on the battle recently in northern iraq and these are the best fighters, the shia militia that iran supports. they were doing the ground fighting and americans were bombing.

the americans coordinate the airstrikes with the iraq he army and i'm sure obviously they are coordinating with the iranians. there are kurdish forces on the ground so they are already working together and it shows just how much of a disaster iraq is and how dramatic the change is. they were the primary enemies of the americas. they were the ones who were killing the americans as they were packing up and leaving, these very powerful ids traced back to iran. >> it's interesting. he's actually an iraq. >> he was on that particular day. >> he was in baghdad in june -- mosul first moisu fell. why do we have to be getting involved? clear,ly, there is a compelling reason isis needs to be taken down, but why do we have to throw ourselves?

there is a pendulum effect where we throw our weight hide these guys and then the other guys when really, the guys who need to be dealing with this, saudi arabia, turkey, qatar. >> those conversations are taking place. nowhat's a tough sell right because there are 49 turkish diplomats isis is holding. that's why publicly, erdogan has not been supportive of the airstrike but privately he is encouraging them. >> tell me about the conversations you've had with the guy who survived. and went to his house twice iraq. the first time i showed up, he was picking dates in his uncle's orchard and he was moving on with his life. by that time, he was sort of eager to tell his story. it was just a gripping story. i have not seen the video yet because another journalist had done that.

lot about not just his story and how much of a miracle it was that it was just another great example of how much a disaster the iraq he army was. -- iraqi army was. he was in tikrit. they were coming down and they freak out. they say that the officers told them to drop your weapons, put on your track suits and sandals, walk out the door. they were told global tribes would protect them. that is the shot you saw of all of the men walking down the street. the really sad irony is all they had to do was stay at home. al malik he went there a few weeks ago and renamed it. it never fell. i think they were tricked. the local tribes took art and the massacre. there are lots of evidence to back that up. it sort of brought us back to the days of saddam hussein where

you have industrial-scale killings of shiites and this is on the grounds of his palace. allegedly. >> who is it you have been talking to? i've been talking to a broad spectrum of western jihadist inside syria and iraq. some of them fighting with isys come a others fighting for lesser-known smaller groups within months we will probably see them cease to exist because there is really one act in town these days. it is very interesting to see. i spoke a lot to one australian, a young guy. the way he talks, the rhetoric he uses, it's a lot to me that is sort of reminiscent. if you had grown up in south-central, maybe he would have joined a gang. still a similar space that gangs can fill in the sense of the spirit of fraternity, a sense of belonging

, a sense of feeling, purpose, feeling disaffected and this and franchised in your own community at home. perhaps idealistically based on these conversations, i believe we have to be very careful going ahead and how we look at new militants- look at in many of them have perpetrated war crimes and are mentally unsound, clearly need to be punished for whatever it is that i have done, but there are others who perhaps have gotten themselves into a situation that they now really cannot get out of it as it has become bigger than them. there's a lot of naïveté there. i hope as governments go ahead with the europeans in terms of working out how to deal with these young men both in their communities, when they are coming home, when they might be leaving, that they try to keep in mind two things.

all, in many cases, these are fragile young man who are extremely psychologically vulnerable to the type of ease and simplicity of the isis message and therefore, i think we need to look a lot at the radicalization and that is a process. simply taking away everybody's passports is not necessarily going to be the answer going ahead here. that isr thing important to take into consideration, i interviewed foughtung european who jihad for two years in syria and ultimately he decided to leave because he was so horrified by what isys was doing he went to fight the regime and to defend the syrian people when he saw they were killing other muslims, other islamists, for him he had this revelation where he said he could not be a part of it. to paradise and then go to hell because i'm killed

another muslim. as he goes back to europe, i would ask what more powerful deterrent is therefore another down hisld be jihaddi testimony? to have as are going very, very tough line to walk as they decide which of these guys they just need to throw in to takewhen it's best an absolute hardline, and which of them can maybe be rehabilitated and then the v a really important and invaluable voice to hopefully try to pull some of these other guys away from isys. -- isis. >> why is it so hard to train the iraq he army? [laughter] -- iraqi army? >> great question. it's very widespread. you can buy general offer positions the there's an even bigger, more widespread of those .ho have these jobs

they get their monthly salary in half of it goes to the commanding officer and they never show up. there is also just an identity if you are going to fight for your country or your sect. were considered an occupying force like in the and bar province. nobody down the chain is empowered to make decisions. that is through iraqis society and that is the legend of saddam. or peopleno nco's like that to make decisions down the line. you guys make us proud to be in this profession. thank you for coming and stopping by the table. back in a moment. stay with us. ♪

is here.r he's a comedian. he hosts hbo's "real time with bill maher." he will perform his 10th solo

standup special for hbo this friday, live from washington, d.c., immediately following a special edition of "real time." here's a look at his trademark spectacle. the restans must take of the summer to contemplate we get far less vacation time than any other civilized country which is maybe why on the world happiness index we are down and 17. have you ever wondered why every australian your meat is 20 times happier than you've ever been? -- you meet? [laughter] i've never met a single aussie who is not the life of the party. i think i figured out why. they don't have jobs. [laughter] [applause] drink, andravel, tried to steal your girlfriend. i think australia is just one big pyramid scheme -- wait. i need a vacation, too.

i'm not really here to talk about australia. i want to talk about america and white are balance of working and living is so off. what is up with these people who win the lottery and proudly announced they are not going to quit your jobs? how is that her rowing? i'm going to take this giant jackpot and keep my gig of a slaughterhouse. please. quit your job or give the money back. [applause] like a nun with a huge rack. >> i'm pleased to have bill maher back to the table. you work hard but it is because you love the work. >> exactly. we are very lucky to do the work we do. they should not even call it worked. i should only call it work if it's something you never wanted to do. i'm sure when you were younger you had money of those jobs.

worked at a fish and chips restaurant. my arm was burned with the scalding oil. tell me where your politics are today. think i'm right about everything, of course. mostly caucus with the liberals, but i also upset my own liberal audience frequently come a can tell, because they boo me. >> there is a touch of libertarian in you. >> absolutely. there's a touch of libertarian in everybody. people don't know what they are. i hate the word liberal. i don't know that they are more progressive than they think they are. >> they hate a word because they nnotates, takes "s -- co

"soft." >> soft on crime, soft on war. >> unpatriotic. >> the people are actually way more with him on policy than they know. i don't think they really want to get into another war in iraq. the republicans are saying do something. he will confront them and ask if you should send troops. then what? they just want to talk like john wayne. they want more fluster. >> it's not in him to talk like john wayne. >> we had that for eight years. was constantly talking like a cowboy and it did not work and it did not make us more popular or safer in the world. >> size him up for me. the president. he's now facing the reality of isys. when i think about that, politics were in part defined by 9/11. >> i've been on the air for

almost 10 years, politically incorrect when that happened and it certainly changed the country, changed everybody in it. it forced me to change networks. >> not your choice. >> but it worked out. i'm glad it worked out that way. >> it must have been god. [laughter] to that, want to get charlie. as obama goes, he will be treated by history very kindly. every president at the time, and he's dealing with things no other president had to deal with. the first black president, they hate him in a way they've never hated you for. recognize it or admit it, but it is that. there is a certain in your face, in your space this respect that

this president has had to put up with, like being heckled that the state of the union or the governor of arizona sticking her finger in his face or when bill o'reilly and a rep tim. you don't do that to a president. they just take him from the get go. >> some of it is race but not all of it. >> absolutely. they were awful to clinton. he was the first lack president, as we know. -- black president. history will be kind to him. the economy was horrible when he took over. we were losing 750,000 jobs a month. the automobile industry, which mitt romney and other republicans wanted to let die, think of the psychological effect if general motors have gone under. forget the economic effect. policy obama's greatest has been calm. he is columnist president we've

ever had. he drives them nuts. they don't drive him nuts. >> that's true. he seems to sort of float above it. >> he works on his own timetable. he never let them rush. i don't work on the 24-hour clock, he tells the media. he does not work on that clock. are there things that i would like for him to have done better, sooner, quicker? yes. i would love if his economic policy was more like elizabeth warren. >> you love her. >> i wish he would run. >> would she win against hillary? >> she would be my preference. i understand the president has so many things on his late. he does seem to get to them. gay marriage, he got to it. hot, i'm hopeful he will get to that. he'll get to it.

he's the most accomplished president on the environment but still falls short. >> when you think the popularity is so low? people are dummies. they don't know what's going on. >> there you go blaming the public. >> they are idiots. look at the polling. they have no idea. they don't even know if they are liberal or conservative. they don't even know who controls the house. bywould you rather be judged the first 100 names in the boston phone book or the harvard faculty? the harvard faculty. he would always want to be judged by the first 100 names in the phone book. >> because bill buckley had nothing in common with the harvard faculty at nothing in common with john q public. what a lie.

yacht, he will be judged by the 100 names. [laughter] silly. howack to you in terms of you have evolved, what's been the evolution in your own politics? you were very strong in terms of the threat of radical fundamentalist jihadist. >> i still am. liberals should stop doing me for pointing out that islam is not like other religions. it is a unique threat. >> it's not islam you are against. >> all religions are stupid. towould be very hard for me believe that you actually believe in these intellectually embarrassing anachronisms from the bronze age. you really believe in the bible? the bible which supports slavery which is pro-polygamy which believes a guy lives inside -- >> i believe in science, too, as

you know. covering all bets. the saw howard dean on tv other day and he said something along the order of, these people in isis, i'm about as islamist as they are distancing the vast numbers of the law must people from it. it's not true. there is a connecting tissue. >> behind every muslim is a future member of some radical -- >> let me finish. are bill liberal beliefs held by vast numbers of the muslim people -- >> as christians. >> not true. vast numbers of christians do not believe that if you leave the christian religion you should be killed for it. vast numbers of christians do not treat women as second-class citizens. dot numbers of christians

not disbelieve that if you draw a picture of jesus christ you should get killed for it. activitiessys do were they just kill people indiscriminately or not just like them? yes. would most muslim people in the world do that or condone that? but most muslim people do condone violence just for what you think. first of all, they shouted. egyptis a pew poll of done a few years ago, 82% i think it was said stoning was the appropriate anna schmid for adultery. over 80% thought death was the appropriate punishment for leaving the muslim religion. i'm sure you know these things. explaining its like other religions is just naïve and plain wrong. it is not like other religions. " pointed out times in an op-ed that in saudi

arabia, they have beheaded 19 people. most for nonviolent crimes including homosexuality. upset that isys is beheading people, which we should be, but saudi arabia does it and they are our good friends because they have oil, ok? they do it. this is the center of religion. >> the are now fighting against isis and joining us, as are the emirates. government. about bit like today qatar, the big story in "the new york times." some guy there is supporting who is a muslim -- mapco where infidels, non-muslims are not even allowed in the holy part of the city -- infidels arere not allowed --

now, if they were beheading in the vatican city, the mecca of christianity, do you think that's the same? when they do crazy things and believe crazy things which just not talked about nearly as much. >> would you come to this table and have a debate about this with a moderate muslim? >> find one, yes. >> i promise you i will. with isys is not representative of -- >> as i said, connective issues. >> i do not think the koran teaches them to do this. >> you are wrong. it absolutely has on every page horrible stuff about how the infidels should be treated. they, isis says that should perform genital mutilation on all women 11 to 46. what most muslims agree with

that? no. she wouldints out -- know better than anyone of us -- testimony in court is very often counted as half. they need permission to leave the house. >> a lot of moderate muslims that say one of the things we need to modernize is the idea of the way we treat women. country, if you just used the wrong word about women, they go nuts. >> as they should. >> they're making them wear burqas. we hear them say that they want to. they've been brainwashed. it's like saying a streetwalker wants to do that. >> i find this interesting. you are doing something called winning loser. take a look at this. >> it's the moment you've all

been waiting for as we reveal our last member of the final four. [applause] this is your political life. he's a deep red conservative trying to keep pace with the district turning purple and smoking green. [laughter] just notsaid obama is an american. you would have to be high to reelect a guy like that. here's the menu. do you want john kline tom oblique, renee ellmers, or mike kaufman? let us know which of these bloated ticks on america's hide needs to be burned off with the mighty cigarette of democracy. [laughter] will being loser revealed as soon as we return in our special washington, d.c., editions of ember 12 --september 12. reveal theight we

big loser -- i mean, big winner. >> what does it mean to be the big winning loser? that district. not every week. it's not about money. i just want to shine a light on this one person to see if we can affect change in one district. if we can in one place, maybe the idea will catch on. how can we possibly have a congress with an approval rating and0% or sometimes lower yet over 90% of incumbents are returned? wrongs something terribly with that. of course what's wrong with that is too much money in the system into much gerrymandering. begressmen don't have to good because their seats are almost always safe. >> we've had two comedians die in the last month, robin williams and joan rivers. >> a bad month for comedians. >> they were of their own. >> let's hope it does not go in

three's. [laughter] >> you praised robin for being on your show. >> absolutely. i worked with both of them, you know? they just seemed like a really good people. that was a shock to everybody, even his close friends did not see it coming. it was because he was such a nice guy. i don't think he wanted to burden people with it. talk about a functioning depressive. never late on the set, never threw a tantrum, never really let on what he was going through. >> qualities of a depressive? you'rejust saying if going through so much in your life but you wouldn't kill yourself, you think it might bleed a little into your professional life. you might be late to work one day. no. it came as a shock to everybody. but i would like for them to look into in the future -- i

don't know what antidepressants he was on, if any, but i think he believed to look at that. sometimes i think the drugs are what makes you want to kill yourself. they say that right in the commercial. mick jagger's girlfriend may have been on antidepressants. it seems odd to me that people who have this much going for them, have this much help, would take it to this degree. wayink in general we use too many drugs especially on children. we put children on drugs way earlier in life than they can handle and they have a brain older looking as they get for mood altering substances and we wonder why there's a drug problem. >> the country is turning your way on marijuana. [laughter] >> it's about time, charlie. gone tor than they've same-sex marriage in terms of

the velocity. >> there will always be a hard core against same-sex marriage because it's in the bible. this is a religious country. >> the christian bible. >> more in the old testament. marijuana is a uniting issue. hippies and hillbillies love it. you will find it in willie nelson's country tour bus and snoop dogg's bus. it's the ultimate purple issue. people just understand after all this time it least harmful of all the drugs you can use. it is so much more benign than now call which causes so much destruction and that's legal. >> and it may even be good medicinally. >> for whatever i have it's worked great. [laughter] >> are you in good health? no depression? >> i've read a lot about how we are all crying on the inside. true?an idea that's not

the majority of people you know who are good at what you do did not come from some terribly unhappy place? generally likee everybody else. there are ones who would and ones who would not. maybe in the comedy world it's more prevalent to have people who have craziness in their head because, come on, look at what we are doing. jerry seinfeld is on our show friday night from washington and he's about as sane and solid a person as we know. >> what do you think about stephen colbert going? >> i don't know what he's like when he's not being the character. will be iner washington, d.c. show andber 12, live then running across to another theater to do a live standup special. it's kind of a dare.

now i have to go through with it. [laughter] i'm going to take my ginseng. >> thank you for joining us. i will see you next time. ♪

♪ ♪ evening, we are at the bloomberg news washington, d.c. bureau, and president obama is about to speak just down the street, and his message is going to sound familiar to a nation -- tired of war, saying they will roll back the isil orosed by the isis. in many ways, this is the beginning of a new war, with a new enemy, not al qaa,