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prime minister since 2014 and is the head of the democratic party. italy will remain in recession throughout 2014. urged him to push through a reform agenda. structural weakness continues to impede growth potential. country's debt is the strongest to be eurozone. it currently holds the rotating presidency of the european union. technologyth entrepreneurs in front of the united nations general assembly. i am pleased to have them at the table because i love his country. >> think you so much. >> what did you learn from silicon valley? >> i chose silicon valley because i love the future. it is one of the capitals of the future. our country, italy, is an incredible capital of the past.

we must change our position and invest in the future. silicon valley could be a model, could be a place of aspiration. and i receive a strong message who say italian people to silicon valley, we can change the world is you can gently country that if you can change the country -- you can change the country. >> how would you change the country? >> liberal markets, constitutional reforms. deposition in italy is particularly difficult to taxation -- taxation in italy is particularly difficult. a new system of justice. budget a very concrete

and i think that with these we must absolutely give to italy of the position of the past leadership. in the last. , we lost opportunities. that was the time to change. >> you had the business community behind you, do you still? community is an incredible asset for the future of the country if, finally, we invest in opening markets in italy. of the past, you know, the business community are very closed. but it is not important, the passport of an entrepreneur. it is important to the quality of project.

the business community must invest in it made in italy. made in italy means a few things. ine, food, culture, and the ability of innovation. investment in technology. to change.e back .> so you can bring a silicon valley to italy, in your judgment? >> ideas can change the height of the people, for an i want tot -- what do to realizes the.

for -- in germany, on their. when they say that italy needs capital reform, what do they mean? >> italy has a number of politicians that needs to make easy the process of politics. >> election rules. >> in the usa, there are 500 members of parliament. in italy, 1000. country, proud of my but they have double the members of parliament as the united states. the reduction of power is a part of this challenge. >> the politicians do not want to give up power? politicians have the

power of veto at the moment, a veto blocked. must connect to the model in which the politicians are not lock thele who b ideas but that provide the future. the role of politics in italy is the history of machiavelli to today. the future does not define the present. me the structural reforms mean liberal markets. >> what did one is truly due to the image of italy -- what did bernisculi due to the image of italy? with him, there is the discussion -- destruction of discussion in politics. opposition -- his

party is my opposition, my enemy in the discussion of politics, but i think we must close the discussion as we talk about the future. >> he is pro-business, but so are you. he was one ofthat the wealthiest business owners in italy, if not the wealthiest. he said about you, you are the best government that we have at him in 10 years, and there are many obstacles. obstacles inlot of this moment, but i think we must absolutely find a solution. exclusion. lastnk that in italy, the 30 years, the politicians explained a list of problems.

the show every problem but do not solve the problem. i am not sure if i'm a good or bad governor. i am sure that i must absolutely solve at least a problem presented by the last generation and finally show that we are able to change. >> and what do you need to change italy? what is essential at this moment to get through the reforms you have talked about, including growth? >> we must absolutely create an opportunity to for the strategy for the future. the usa what are the things that you need to change, many things. first of all, the consensus of the people.

41% last election. the first time in 57 years in italy. second, the ideas are very clear and determined. this is very important. the third is the courage. i have only one possibility. to give a very strong message. if i solve the problem i change italy, but if i am not able to solve the problem, i must retire myself. >> if you cannot do it, you will get out? >> i think that we can absolutely obtain the results. i am confident. policy, there has always been a relationship between italy and libya. and you have said that libya is more important weston syria.

-- to office then syria. because there is a collapsing central government. 's we are ranking the problems around the world -- if we are ranking to be problems around italy's problem is iraq. country, the neighbor with problems is libya. libya is now under control. and we must absolutely create the conditions to give enough to the libyan people and the european people. those the larger community have to come together to make sure that that happens, or can the libyans do it on their own? >> i think that libya, after the gaddafi, a fewp

people believe that the mission is accomplished. no. , thate when you use that very important intervention in the area, you must think also about the future. not only about the present. it is difficult but possible. we are only one country. we are the only country with our embassy open in tripoli at this moment. the respect for the last elections in june of 2014. and we will reduce the battles and the fights. absolutelyya must be -- we must have more

attention from the international community. make desk toy to play a very important role -- to play a very important role. >> in libya? >> the international community must think that libya is not the problem. >> the public at europe and say that they have two great men. one is pope francis. which i am sure you agree with. >> pope francis is a great man. i met him with my family. that he is very important for the catholic church, obviously. for the relationship with it italy and the vatican. but also to give a message of hope, because in this moment,

there is a lack of hope. if you read a newspaper and verify media messages a few times, message is not a message of hope. pope gives france's us opportunity, these words of kindness. it is important in the international discussion in this moment, and for me, it is important that i value the human value. >> his pastoral role as well. man that many say has the potential of greatness is mary landrieu body -- mario. absolutely >> -- absolutely, he is a good man [applause] he is not the federal

reserve. different. the modality. he has obtained a few important results. for thethat his role euro is absolutely a good role. and i think that, really, it is great man for this job. >> how will we measure whether you succeeded? the next threend years, will be more open, smarter, and simpler. this is the message that we have won the battle. because this is happening, we must absolutely, don't waste nothing a day.

everydayork step step -- step by step to reduce the bureaucracy and get this message of efficiency in our country. i am confident that this could be possible. but we must absolutely don't waste nothing, don't waste a day. we could lose the next election, but we cannot lose now. >> and what do you say, finally, to the italian people? what must they do in order to restore italy's greatness? >> come back to be dreamers. because in the last three bank, we lost the dream and we make nightmares. we lost the possibility, the as the to show ourselves

old and women able to have projects. in the last period, italy was sad. it had a lack of a future. my fourth message is exactly that. my fellow citizens, we are able to come back to be dreamers. to come back and get the message of equality and quality of life and lifestyle and ideals and culture around the world. but we must change. change is not a bad word. changes the only way to come back together. >> thank you. it is a pleasure to have you there. back in a moment. stay with us. ♪

>> durant is year, the french minister. and algerian-based yacht's group released a video showing the execution of a french tourist. the group claims solidarity with the islamic state in iraq and syria. they are called dash.

in a strike the air strikes iraq on friday, but has not yet participated in syria. i am pleased to have laurent back at this table. made, and so many people around the world, extend our sympathy for the loss. it is a rose -- >> terrible day because people were not only assassinated but beheaded. it was terrible cruelty. dash.people, that we call , the term for islamic state, as you object to the term islamic state. they represent islam but it is not true. though islamic leader that i know says that they represent no islamic leader that

i know says that they represent islam. >> they want to have a bloody fight. freedom, anding -- wepeople cannot accept cannot accept the way they have behaved. it is an attack not only on france before all of us. -- but on all of us. friends do with respect to the united states and the other countries that are participating in this -- what does france do with respect to the united states and the other countries per dissipating in this? bring ane decided to air support, and the iraqis have asked us to do that and we are doing that. we have given weapons. we have given humanitarian aid as well. >> in iraq? >> in iraq.

in syria, we are directly helping the moderate position in terms of humanitarian aid and weapons as well. and training. o things are interrelated because the group is transnational. america has decided for some arab countries to be present in syria. which is good. know that we cannot do anything, and for the time being we are concentrating on iraq. >> i do not understand why you cannot do airstrikes in syria. >> obviously we could. >> why do you refuse to? >> we do not want to do everything. we are supporting what the americans are doing. attention, to pay ,ecause dash has to be fought but the problem is that it must

not be used by bashir al-assad in order to gain ground. and therefore, right now, unfortunately moderate decision is strong in some spots but we can other spots -- the moderate position is strong in some spots week in other spots. the americans are doing some jobs, and a job, and we are doing some jobs. may be in the future we shall evolve, before the time being, we are concentrating. >> i still do not understand why there is a difference -- >> it is a different story why. because in iraq we have been asked by the iraqi government to support them. in syria, it is not the same story. >> because you do not want to support the syrian government? is that the reason? >> in syria, we not only want to

one --ash, but the other >> bashir al-assad? >> would do not support them by any means. if you remember, he was the origin of dash. the liberated prisoners from prison, and they are the leaders . years, bashir has not fought dash. is a lot of oil in a part of that is sold to bashir. has been decided, and it is excellent, by the one recently, to cut the financing -- by the

u.n. recently, to cut the financing. because there are states that form the das -- that fund dash through the oil. we have to organize ourselves. the u.s., france, the arab countries, the coalition. >> are you pleased with the americans are using their airpower in syria to attack? said today that we are supporting them, yes. what is according to take in terms of court boots on the quote,-- in terms of, to liberate ground syria, and is the only on the ground sufficient, and can they -- is thefficient?

only on the ground sufficient, and can be be made sufficient? >> there is a lesson from recent conflicts, you cannot win without the support of the people themselves. in iraq, the iraqis, in syria, the syrians. in iraq, we think that banks to our support, the iraqi step-by-step will be stronger. and they can beat dash. we are bringing in her support. support.-- in air in syria, it is a bit different. position,e moderate is sometimes in a strong position and sometimes in a eak position.n a w >> but can they do it over the long run? >> yes. we have grown forces.

-- ground forces. we are training them. we had a meeting today, this afternoon, with the core group. of the people that are supporting the syrian army moderate position. we have decided to support them. in between, we have to strike dash. but we need to avoid that this year will take advantage of this r will takehi advantage of this. circumstances will be a relationship with the sheer al-assad it to defeat dash. part ofs to be a

the coalition, but he is at the origin of the terrorists. things happened so quickly that we have forgotten the origin. remember, three years ago, in the arab spring. beginning, it was people in the countryside in the countryside in syria who are wanting to be freer. the is reacted in such a way that it is unbelievable. your 20,000 people that have been killed. you have it to wonder thousand people that have been killed. remember that you have the chemical weapons. therefore, by no means shall we support him. by no means. believe -- did i does

is arab countries that did -- is get money from arab countries? this is to charge that i heard yesterday, the countries that help build up isis because they were opposed to bashir are now fighting isis. is that true? >> i think that there has been a financing. it can be staged. it can be rescued to be states, it can be persons -- it can be states, it can be persons. it was possible to have a sort of agreement which would protect money, they were giving but it was completely clueless foolish.

because these guys -- and it is different if you compare them to al qaeda. want to have a state, for as these ones are wanting. was notal qaeda obviously, whereas these ones are wanting to have a state. that is. why it ism -- that is essential. them that you can. persons -- ihese --nk that is versus honest

these persons are now there is ah, resolution that has been boarded i a unanimous vote saying about -- voted by a unanimous vote saying that the funding will be completely cut and that every country must take precise steps in order to prevent foreign fighters going there. and do we called chapter seven what we called chapter seven, meaning that begin at sanctions if they do not do it. my guess is that all of these countries understand that these are for everybody. >> what are the iranians doing? >> in iraq -- we have met the president. we know that he is tied geographically to iraq, and the

prime minister is a shiite as well. they were not accepting that dash could take baghdad or erbil . >> they fought against that. >> they actually help the iraqis to prevent that. no for syria it is different. -- now what for syria it is different. they are supporting assad. we do not agree with them at that point. at the end of the day, we will have to have a political settling. and the idea is to have the agreement between the moderate position and some elements of the regime. leaves and -- >> i do not know what will happen. >> a political summit, because

russia and iran, as friends, or building some kind of an agreement in which he would give up the presidency. that was the idea that when we signed the geneva agreement and it is still true. in between we need a strong moderate position. >> is america leading the position -- coalition? >> yes. the next question is, what about france? we are part and parcel of the that wen, but you know are talking about autonomy. we are coordinating efforts with the u.s. and there is no problem. >> this is climate week here. i think in 2015, you will share.

-- chair. what progress is being made? >> by should say that in terms of practical steps, there has been some progress. maybe not enough. we have to capitalize what we call green farms. there are some countries that have renounced the money but not enough. there have been a lot of , all of them in the same direction, saying that we have to have an agreement -- i dothis question not speak about climate change but climate disruption. and warming, it is not true,

because in some parts of his warming, and in some parts it is cooler. and every part it is an extreme phenomenon. , thereer your question have been some practical steps. the most important thing is that -- private sector as decided has decided to invest in the new direction. governments, towns, regions, have decided to move in the same direction. there is a very strong movement saying that we have to make the decision. >> a decision to? to halt, to stop -- >> carbon in the air? >> the situation where old be

impossible to live in. world will be impossible to live in. ban ki-moon has an incredible problem. , becauseno plan b there is no planet b. that is the best summary. if you're going to do it, then do it quickly, because it is not a question of in 40 years, it is right now. toare the first generation be aware of that and the last generation to be able to act. >> there is a window of opportunity. >> a window of opportunity and necessity. next year -- >> china is better than it has been before in its commitment? >> a major shift in the u.s. attitudes and chinese attitudes.

that john kerry is completely vindicated. i am reluctant to talk about such things now because you have the midterm elections, but i hope that it will do it at the beginning of next year. as far as the chinese are concerned, they are fully aware. it is not a question of international pressure, it is a question for them. beijing,time i was in the same day, in paris, we decided to have alternate traffic because the pollution was 10% more than the average. on the same day in beijing it was about 10% more, it was 18 times the normal. breathe on thet street and children could not go to school. it is difficult for the chinese

because it is a complete shift in their economy. no the new element is the -- is that now people understand that it is not just a constraint but it can be an opportunity to bring growth, the creation of jobs. it is a new big thing it, particularly for big business. >> where is the resistance? what stands in the way? >> the resistance is that many the decisionthat will have to be taken within 50 years. no way. it has to be taken now. the resistance is that all of us are conservative. and it is difficult to change our habits. we have to do it. but once more, no plan b, no planet b. and you know, at the beginning, i was not a specialist.

france hadknew that a chariot, we were serious. eigenvalue that it is the question -- i can tell you that it is the question, the big question, and be can do it. >> we will talk about iran, which were also a part of, but ebola. it seems to get worse and threatening. >> especially in three countries. as far as france is concerned, , we are doing what we have to do. but it is never enough. tomorrow ineting , and all of us will have to concentrate on that. -- i hope that the

academy will be stopped. -- the epidemic will be stopped. we have to understand that the basis is the weakness of the sanitary systems in those it is when such an epidemic comes -- because when such an epidemic comes, and you have no hospitals and doctors, it is a catastrophe. and theno first stop do help them build sanitary systems. a scenario where it could get out of control and become a global threat? >> that depends on our commitment, and we have to be committed. >> you have said that you do not think they can be linked to the fight against dash. the cannot be connected. -- they cannot be connected. the iranian president said that to me yesterday as well.

is anybody trying to link them? with a crime to say that if you make an agreement that we agreed to on nuclear, we will change our participation? >> no, they have never said that to us or spoke to us about that leverage, and their right to do so. the question of the atomic bomb is a question of itself. that i haveression already used. when i have been discussing with my partners, i have very often use the words in the discussion of that, you cannot be half pregnant. either you get it or you do not get it. and what is the question? what is the problem? iranians,ing to the

you have the complete right to have civil nuclear energy. you have power, you are a great civilization, you have the right. but so far as the nuclear bomb is concerned, it is just no, because it is too dangerous in this region particularly. and we want to avoid in the nuclear proliferation. discussion, which is very, very technical, is to draw the consequences. that we asked in th us and they accepted to put it at the beginning of the statements, and i remember the words. under no circumstances, iran will never possess or seek any nuclear weapons. the sentence has been pronounced by the supreme leader. and i said that if it has been we must draw you,

the technical consequences of that. never seek nuclear weapons. were discussing about iraq, we are discussing about control. in order to intimate this principle. if they agree it will be ok, if they don't, it will not. that -- the agree to how do they agree to that? >> there is a discussion because they agree with the principle, but there are consequences to be drawn. because once more, you cannot be half pregnant. >> there are many who believe that they have not made a decision to seek a nuclear weapon, that they just want to be within reach if they make a decision. >> no. the question is to renounce. we cannot be halfway. >> do you believe that you have sufficient economic sanctions to

force them to do that>? ? >> the economic sanctions are very, very powerful. it isvery likely that because of the economic sanctions that we are discussing. but we have said that if we find an agreement they will be lifted. and it will be important for the relations. more we wish we could find an agreement, but it depends on their commitment. it has to be clear because it is a matter where you have to be clear. supreme leader says they need 190,000. >> if it is those sort of figures, no way. you know that we are discussing about several hundred or thousand. you can discuss if it is 1000 or 2000.

2000 compared with 190,000. if they do not want to have a nuclear bomb, what is the use of getting 190,000 centrifuges? >> you are negotiating with them, what is their answer? >> it is not very clear. [laughter] >> are they transparent? >> we wish. thate aea says --the aea says >> the question applies to be passed in the future, because we have to check. we want to be sure that in the past, of all that has been done. , and anymore, we hope reasonable person has to hope, that we can find an agreement.

but it has to be a solid agreement. it cannot be the sort of -- >> the president of the united states has said and reconfirmed numerous times, as has his vice president, that it is unacceptable for iran to have nuclear weapons. and have said that they will not allow it. which means that if they are close to getting them, they will launch a military attack. does the french government support that? >> it is what we call the breakout. . what does it mean? imagine that we have an agreement. great. too, that imagine, the agreement will not be implemented and cannot happen. the breakout time must be sufficient for the partners to react.

wouldviously the reaction be a tough one. but we are trying to get an agreement. >> do you support the u.s. decision? we do not want any nuclear weapon. that is clear. you have to be a partner in the negotiation. [laughter] places, the ukraine and then libya. the ukraine. there are a lot of economic relationships with russia in europe. a -- iey indeed mpeed a very strong reaction putin if he tries to move against the eastern ukraine? \ > no.

we have already done sanctions. it is true that the sanctions are neither good for russia or us. , thatu know the problem we, at the same time, have to be firm, as we cannot except that a country, whatever it is, when they can annexation of a region, crimea. we cannot accept it. >> you seem to be accepting it. >> we do not accept it. we shall not go to war with russia, but we have to take sanctions. on the other hand, we have to have a dialogue. germany and france in particular have organized a possible dialogue. today we have a cease-fire. at the end of october we have elections. what is our idea? the ukraine has to be a free

country with good relations with russia and a good relationship with the eu. if the russians, directly or indirectly, or exerting pressure, we have to react. because that threatens security. but at the same time we have to keep open diplomacy, the ways and means to have a dialogue. with an essay that i know what is in the head of mr. putin. i know that we are trying to have a dialogue. >> libya. is a mess. >> libya is a mess, that is a real term. what can we do? tomorrow we will have a meeting in the u.n. you have two problems. the first is that you have two

governments, to militias. -- two militias. we have to try and have unity. a new person has been appointed , becaused favor this you cannot have two governments. that is one point. countries that other will not intervene, giving weapons, giving money. and we are back to the dash problem. the second problem is that in the south of libya, you have a number of terrorist groups which are not affiliated to the two other ones, which are dangerous by themselves. and their relationship with large area was a different

terrorist -- with nigeria was a different terrorist. we have to deal with the parliament, we hope that if we are doing it, we have to deal with the terrorism. because there are a lot of weapons in libya. it is a rich country, and it is not a state. >> it is a failed state. >> it has never been a state. >> does that mean -- >> i draw a lesson from that. you remember, charlie, that we have intervened in some other countries. >> you let the intervention. intervention. >> i do not regret it. when i regret is that there has been no follow-up afterwards. sometimes it is necessary to intervene, but it is not enough.

is the same for what i was saying for syria or for iraq. it is not -- maybe it is necessary to send bombs, ok. but afterwards, what happens? the lack of political follow-up has been a big mistake. >> why did it happen? why did it fail? >> i do not know. maybe it was an illusion to think that it was enough to kill mr. gaddafi and that everybody would be ok. president, did he not lead conversations about what to do in the united nations? >> yes, because they are cheering the security council. ing the security council. and the question was how to fight foreign fighters?

>> what came out of that? >> a unanimous resolution saying that every single country, under chapter seven, must take legal elements in order to prevent their nationals from going to syria and so on, and that we need to cut the financing. these are elements. >> are it, thank you. -- all right, thank you. sarkozy says he is coming back. here you are ranking member of the socialist party. what is your party and your president so in disfavor with your people? >> i think the main reason is that, as you know when europe, the situation is not good. bill gross. growth, particularly in

france. reforms when there are no growth is difficult. >> as the president changed? as he as a social president said that we have to be that has he, as a socialist president, said that we have to be -- has he changed his attitude as to what is necessary to put france on the right course? your not know, but i know, because i am working with he is dedicated to deliver the reforms. >> to the economic system? >> yes. assets.has a lot of -- france has a lot of assets. reforms thaten have been postponed, and we need to do that.

and sometimes they are not popular. but when you are president, you have to work -- maybe it is not good for your reelection, but you are here in order to work for your country. it is as simple as that. >> thank you for coming. the foreign minister of france. thank you for joining us, we will see you next time. ♪

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