>> our guest tonight is a message maven who has worked with bill clinton barack obama, and fortuitously with john edwards.

she joins us from the washington bureau. let's start with a softball. if you could not be you and you had to be another pulmonary -- another paul mary, which would you rather be? matteo paul mary, and italian historian of the 15th century, any paul mary who won 10 grammy awards -- eddie palmieri, who won 10 grammy awards, or isabella harry? >> i would say isabella. she's the only one i did not know about. >> you knew about eddie paul and matteo? >> i knew about eddie.

i don't think he may be italian. i did not know much about matteo. >> if you look at the picture, he's very handsome. >> naturally thepalmieri men usually are. >> what is different about your work settings, in terms of hanging out with them and comparing and contrasting them? let's say, hanging out with the senior staff and the white house. >> people ask a lot what the difference between two white house is is. i would say the clinton white house was just a little more volatile. you know, decision-making happened at a slower pace in the clinton white house and at a very frantic pace at the end of

the event that you had to deal with. and i guess president obama in terms of people to spend time with. president obama is probably more likely to engage you on happenings outside of politics. perez president clinton might choose to -- whereas president clinton might choose to mcgill u about a coon supper -- might choose to regale you about a coon supper that he went to 30 years ago. you are more likely to get politics of clinton and more likely to get popular culture with president obama. >> there was a democratic leadership election on the hill today. president obama has been clear saying this is a big loss for the party in the midterms. there should maybe be some soul-searching about what went wrong and ways to change going forward. whether the right message to

project that is by reelecting basically all the same leaders with the exception of elizabeth warren and amy klobuchar and most important he leaving the top leadership of harry reid. is that the best message for democrats to send to the voters at this moment? >> i think the democratic leadership nancy pelosi and harry reid, they are both very capable that we have albany will to rely on in the obama white house and helping the president with the agenda. i don't know what the question should be for congress, which is -- who are the best leaders to run the democratic caucuses in both of those houses? these are very accomplished and talented politicians who also lead their caucus very effectively. >> is your hunch that isabella thinks harry reid is an

inspiration for the future? >> my hunch is that she probably is not aware of harry reid and he's probably not aware of her. but we are talking about within the congress. i think in terms of what the white house has taken away, the lessons we've taken away from the election, we've done a lot of thinking about it before the election and after the election. we think the message is not that people one action. they want washington to be solving problems. we think that for the president, that means he should be out addressing whatever problems he can as aggressively as he can particularly those that are focused on the future. if you look at the last three weeks, we announced we are continuing to do immigration reform and we will do that before the end of the year. we had an announcement on monday. yesterday, we had this great deal on climate change with china, all of which are very future oriented and addressing real problems.

the president is at his best when he's on the offense like that in terms of solving problems. we think that is our take away from what the country wants of him. >> that is a pretty good run of executive action, as you summarize it. and one of the things did he has not done yet that he said he will do is immigration. i'm asking you personal question here. do you and the president believe john boehner and mitch mcconnell that -- when they say that if he takes executive action on immigration that it will ruin the entire effort for reform and the legislative agenda? do you believe them when they make that threat? >> no, i believe both leaders would like to enact immigration reform. we believe that. >> you said no, and i want to clarify. you think they are bluffing, is that correct? >> play out your end. >> a stable -- they say they

will not move on comprehensive reform and it will harm any ability to do anything if the president takes that step. >> that is looking into how they will choose to react to something. >> i'm asking you if you believe them or you think they are bluffing. do you believe them or not? >> bluffing what, the fabled then not -- that they will then not choose to not work with us? would have been working with them for years on immigration reform. -- we have been working with them for years on immigration reform. we have been listening to what they say, speaker boehner particularly. >> i'm going to try one more time. do you believe them or not when they say this will impact the relationship between republicans and the white house and congress? >> that is up to them if they

wanted to impact the relationship. all i can tell you is why we think it shouldn't. all i can say was how we are going to react to this. the president by the end of this year, he is doing something on immigration. he is either signing -- hold on. he is either signing a law or taking executive action to deal with the problem. there are areas that we think we can work with republicans in congress. obviously, infrastructure paid for by corporate tax reform that's a great example. we want to work with them on that. and the president had a lunch last week. we will continue to reach out to them. there will be no shortage of us reaching out to the republicans to try to figure out where we can work together. but what does not make any sense is for us to hold back on a problem like immigration reform because republicans are going to oppose us. hold on, there are things they

will do. they were probably vote to repeal the four-ball care act. maybe they will vote not to fund the affordable care act. we will continue to work with them. we will them where we can. our view is that we understand they don't agree with us on everything, but let's work together we can. but after having been through this -- you know, we started this in january, 20 13, doing immigration reform. we are not going to hold back and not move forward if the president can solve a problem helping a lot of people because republicans don't want us to do that. they have free will. they could pick up legislation at any point and pass it if they wanted to. there is just no credible reason from our perspective for a while he would not act. >> if the president does this executive immigration act and the republicans then pass immigration reform next to the does not have a pathway to citizenship, with the president

signed that bill or not? -- would the president signed that bill or not? >> that is not what is in our principles now. we will work with them on immigration reform, but that is not in our principles. we are looking for a pathway to citizenship. this is the first step and we would like comprehensive reform, but we would like a path to citizenship. >> thank you. when we come back, i hope the court document, and a town in cecelia. ♪

>> we were filled with unbridled glee today when we found out antonin scalia was giving a public speech, particularly given the host of issues facing the court like obamacare, same-sex marriage, and voting rights. you can imagine our surprise when we found he would not be talking about any of those things, but rather the magna carta. we chopped up his speech and now

present it to you ala carta. >> as a result of all this, king john had to put the matter in today's parlance, a profoundly low approval weight -- approval rate. [laughter] >> you've got to hand it to my tennis partner for stop use only person in america that could make a decent joke about the magna carta. >> the 13th century brought multiple reissues of the magna carta, and its companion charter, which was called charter of the forest. >> oh, the charter of the forest. >> his confirmation on a lima memorialized magna carta, but provided -- not only memorialized magna carta, but provided that quote if any change to come to the manic carter, it shall be undone and holden for not.

it's great stuff. holden for not. -- holden for naught. and we have yet to enter the 14th century. who drafted the charter for the king james the first when judges not only adjudicated, but were laws. [laughter] i mean officially wrote laws. >> he is like the seinfeld of the supreme court. >> granting the prerogative without grant of parliament is illegal. that is core magna carta. >> he is able to get so excited about a document that is literally 800 years old. >> it is here that we have our second notable jurist -- >> as good as that is, i think we have seen enough. we will be right back. ♪

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