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tv   With All Due Respect  Bloomberg  December 9, 2014 5:00pm-5:31pm EST

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>> with all due respect to time magazine and its person of the year thing. hello. >> a this traction, dissatisfaction, and a boatload of retractions. the report on what people refer to his torture is out. you can see it on our website and the start, here is how the chairwoman senator dianne feinstein put it to sit -- start
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things off. >> the representations, detainees were subjected to the most aggressive techniques immediately. strip naked, diapered and put in long stressed positions and they were deprived of sleep for days. in one case, up to 180 hours. that is seven and a half days over a week with no sleep read usually standing or in stress positions. at times with their hands tied together over their heads, ch ained to the ceiling. >> many supporters are against the release of this report. here's a counterpart -- counterpoint from mitch mcconnell. >> the serves no purpose whatsoever other than to endanger americans around the world at a time of growing concern about the rise of terrorism.
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and the president seem to declare the war on terror over a while back. the terrorists did not get the message. >> we heard a lot of graphic things described today as this report came out. we are jaded and cynical about this in various ways. what was the most surprising and unsettling thing you learned today, if anything? >> that the cia in the wake of 9/11 when they were given a brand-new set of responsibilities through the constitution and decided and its conduct of handling people -- handling, people were detained and they decided they knew best. some of the physical stuff is horrible to read about but the general prospect by which the cia decided they had to do whatever they thought they had to do, what they wanted to do even when it went against american values. pretty staggering. >> it is not the first time that this happened in our history or recent history. the scope of the deception not
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-- lying not just to congress but to president george w. bush. striking and it would be hard to read this, some of the things senator feinstein said in this report that were very graphic. the idea that this was not what they called enhanced interrogation. if you read the details you cannot think -- help but think if this is not torture there is no such thing. it is staggering that americans were carrying this out while we were -- in our lifetimes area >> -- lifetimes. >> the detainees were whipped while they were -- and slept in punched while naked and dragged threats of sexual abuse area >> -- abuse. >> rectal rehydration a lot of
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horrors. >> john mccain said on the senate for about the necessity of releasing the report. >> the truth sometimes a hard pill to swallow. but sometimes causes us to -- difficulties at home and abroad it is sometimes used by our enemies in attempts to hurt us but the american people are entitled to it. nonetheless. they must be able to make informed judgments about whether those policies and the personnel who supported them were justified in compromising our values area whether they served a greater good or whether, as i believe they stained our national honor. they did much harm and little practical good.
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>> because this became a partisan thing every democrat supporting it. the statement has become a touchstone. this is what vice president biden said about mccain's statement earlier. >> i strongly urge you to take a look at the speech john mccain made today. it explains in my view in a more articulate bay -- way any more than i can say. >> john brennan said the agency had made mistakes and said the interrogations had led to good solid information. so far who is winning the spin wars? >> up to the minute the -- john mccain took the senate floor the side that was against releasing the report had won the day. john mccain transformed this
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fight from being a partisan fight with starcraft against republicans and someone got up from the republican party and made a powerful case and that complicated the politics. that is where those in favor of it for the moment are winning. >> let's hope no americans are hurt but any republicans who oppose the release should do history a service and the american people a service and read it and say what you think about what the cia did not just in terms of torture but in terms of how they dealt with congress in terms of talking and being briefed about what they were doing on behalf of the nine states. >> there will be a long dispute about whether or not these techniques lead any good information that about the nature of the techniques of cells i do not think there is any more debate. if they read this report was clear eyes they will admit that is true. let's hear from one jesse
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watters, our colleague. >> i find ironic that having this report is that gruber is testifying to not that out of the front pages. >> the action -- it is a classic washington sideshow. famous m.i.t. professor testified and apologized and apologized and apologized for saying that americans receive it and is part of that hill he got to receive a darrell issa shimming. >> -- shaming. >> they honored tom hanks. the ultimate in successful stupid man. are you stupid? >> i was frustrated when -- that would be a statement. >> so, mark, gruber goes to the
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hill, and has been great for the freak show. do think this testimony has long-term implications? >> it will turn a lot of fox news viewers against obamacare. this has been the sideshow. it is still a sideshow. it was a great hearing for those who like theater. >> or if you want to learn how to apologize. it were a lot of versions. there is a ton coming up for obamacare. there is a lot of increases. >> others have written about all of us are over or underestimating the long-term effects of obamacare the redistribution elements, how it is fracturing the democratic
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coalition. there is a lot of huge stuff that is important but this has nothing to do with any of that. >> we have some bad news for you. your approval rating is 39%. the lowest of has ever been in our bloomberg politics poll. in the same poll, republicans are seen as more confrontational since the midterms and the people we surveyed said the president is acting more out of his beliefs in a vision for the country where is how ken's -- republicans are acting because they want to antagonize the present -- president. the dissonance is striking. the president is at his all-time low but somehow he is winning the war over something americans care a lot about. that is you are doing the right thing or doing something to antagonize the opposition. what gives? >> the president called, cool collected demeanor has up sides and downsides. there are places when -- he is
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too professorial. he is being so-called helps them -- his being so calm helps him. when republicans react to it in this hyperbolic way. for a lot of americans they assume and -- republicans must be the antagonize others. >> the republicans have to get things done. to achieve things that the american people want and they have to do it in a way stylistically worthy get credit for it and they seem like mature, responsible adults. very hard for this republican party. those poll numbers, those are horrible because they want to be seen as doing the right thing for the country. not as cynically attacking the president. >> there is a hangover here. for the last six years,
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republicans have pursued a strategy of a principal of opposing everything barack obama doesn't they benefited from it politically. >> republicans should take their cues from the polls. >> we will rain -- dig into the senate report. more after this. ♪
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>> we are joined by al hunt and john walcott. our national security chief of has been living through the cia
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torture report all day. good to have you. let me ask you first. this has been a pretty staggering day in terms of the wall-to-wall coverage of this report and a lot of the information in it. we are jaded about the matters under discussion. where there things that were surprising or shocking to you that were revealed in the report today? >> i have not read most of a yet that what i have read and i have seen, there were. it went far beyond anything i expected. on the politics of the matter, the people who are opposed to the release of this report dominated for 48 hours area did dianne feinstein stood up and she was pretty powerful. in the john mccain stood up and it was game, set, match. it is over. dick cheney against john mccain and colin powell let's call it off. >> they have a quibble or
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dispute over whether any valuable intelligence was gained through these enhanced interrogation techniques but his 30 thing else that the cia is disputing? >> that is the main dispute is they claim these techniques yielded no -- valuable intelligence but after reading the report and going through the footnotes a lot of their own officials in the field dispute that. and the report does a thorough job of tearing apart that assertion. >> one of the key issues it seems to me here is the claims and senator feinstein was very aggressive in making some claims particularly about general hayden. the web of the notion that there was a lot of deception. that were -- there were allies systematically and taken to the white house and congress on the american people. how much information within the report is also new and puts the
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cia on the defensive in terms of justifying what it did in that area? rex you are right to signal out general hayden. you get toward the end of the 500 pages that was released with a side-by-side comparison of statements from general hayden when he was cia director and the fact the report uncovered and contradict each other point by point for about five or 10 pages. you have seen fights like this before. it is not really partisan because you have some republicans who support a release of the report. you have a strange position for the white house. there are in favor of releasing the report but you do not hear the president, there is no talk of new legislation or prosecution. what is the obama administration's posture as you see it? >> that is a good point. it is even worse than that because the obama administration
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sometimes is claiming credit for this which they do not deserve. rahm emanuel and others said stay away from this whole thing and for the white house to have a claim that barack obama is responsible for us now knowing about it is dead wrong. this is the senate committee, dianne feinstein and i think the white house is in a bit of an op position. -- awkward position. >> beyond an accurate accounting of what took place, that we need to go back and look at this clearly and have an honest accounting of what happened, do you think of how the intelligence committee works going forward, that there is any tangible change that will come out of this? >> unlikely. but the one big thing that is missing from this report is the account of the pressure that the intelligence community was under, particularly from ice president cheney and rumsfeld and their aides who regularly went out to langley, virginia
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and demanded more information about possible attacks on the united states, about links to iraq which were never there and that does not excuse the conduct of cia officials. the other thing that is interesting in this report if there is anything encouraging and it, it is scattered in the footnotes. account after account of these guys in the field who were carrying this out or analyzing the intelligent saying we have problems here or -- all that was ignored at top levels boldly because of the political pressure they were under from the white house and the pentagon. how the two main reasons that people cited related, that intelligence assets overseas could be endangered and there might be generalized violence against the u.s. and properties of the u.s. around the world. what is your sense based on familiar to -- the miliary tee off what is in the report, are
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the concerns founded? rex we do not know. there is going to be violence. there were people who were beheaded in the last couple of months before this report came out so violence is going to read kurt -- occur whether the report came out or not. what really -- we knew there was torture before hand, we knew there were allegations that there had been lies about this and people had not been briefed and power had been cut out but there is a lot more in this. some of it is quite graphic. rectal feeding, $81 million paid to contractors. that is a taxpayer ripoff. twice it people who were wrongly part of this program. two informants who were by mistake abused or the cia. there is a lot of documentation that is pretty stunning. >> let me follow up with what al just asked. there was a point earlier that a lot of the -- people from the
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cia and people from the bush era white house came out to try to pre-but this report. there is a lot of evidence for the damning elements. what is the next move for those who had in or who are facing fire right now, is there another round of an attempt to rebut the report now that it is on the record on part of the bush era folks? >> not if they are smart. they are -- their prebut said there's nothing new so we do not need to release the report. if there is nothing new it will cause all kinds of havoc around the world as if there were not that already. for them to want to go back and reopened this issue with -- when the administration clearly wants to put it behind it seems to be asking for trouble they do not need. >> were you surprised by anything in this report?
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>> i was surprised at the degree of graphic detail. i would strongly recommend that people who do not have strong stomachs do not read all of it. because of it is pretty grotesque. >> thank you very much. when we come back, we told a professional filmmaker to go out and alfred -- infiltrate the paparazzi. the results were smashing. we will be right back. ♪
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>> it was only yesterday when we were here having about will and kate. last night the duke and duchess of england or cambridge or whatever it is, they popped over into the heart of gotham city and all the fan boys and fan girls and she's their cameras to
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try to steal their souls. >> here is a business card i received last night. my job title does not include the word royal, and yet i found myself outside the carlyle hotel at sundown unsure of the duke and duchess of cambridge were even inside. the secret service vehicle tells me this is a motorcade ready to go. only a small group had gathered including matteo martino. i will say it is 28. >> you can survive the cold? >> i thought they would be more people here. surprisingly, there is not. >> matteo, his wife and friends have been here.
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we want to say here we are again. good to see you. it is really boring waiting for royalty. the interviewed me. >> what is your name? >> my name is griffin hammond. >> we left with friendly cops and worried about the british leg tangled up in the wind. half an hour later, everyone's iphones were dead. they were counting on me to capture a good photo. i warned them i am not a good paparazzo. i do not travel with long telephoto lenses so this is the closest i can zoom. matteo does not think we will see much. just up -- a quick profile of one or both and cops pushing us out of the way. >> suddenly, cops on the move they are pushing us back. i mashed my finger on the shutter. that is it. three seconds of royalty. >> i saw kate's hair. that is about it. i saw a hand wave.
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it could have been anybody's? >> was it worth it? >> yes. my wife is thrilled. as long as she is happy i am happy. >> everyone wanted my e-mail a dress. -- addressed. even these grainy, digitally zoomed in shots were something to be cherished. >> there will always be a space for you in the london bureau. you got to spend some time with the royals. >> i was 10 rows over and one section over. next to them -- who is the most glamorous person? >> we will be back in a minute with some holiday cheer in the latest from our advent calendar after this. ♪
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>> it is our absolute favorite
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part of the show. it is a person who is dear to our hearts, but reynolds. some of his best memorabilia is hiding -- hitting the auction blocks. >> next "taking stock." sayonara. ♪
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>> this is what i am taking stock of on tuesday, december 9, 2014. . prices fell. stocks in china fell the most since 2009 and socks and grace filled the most since 19 seven. x>> rates continue to be suppressed. ultimately, and we returns will be somewhat

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