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>> with all due respect, the person of the year thing? ♪ >> sports fans in our lineup tonight, distractions, and retractions. the report with what most people refer to as torture is out. you can review the entire thing on her website. here's how dianne feinstein put it to start things off.
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>> in contrast, detainees were subjected to the most aggressive techniques immediately. stripped naked diapered physically struck, and put in stress positions for long periods of time. they were deprived of sleep for days. in one case, up to 180 hours. that is over a week with no sleep. usually standing or in stress positions. at times, with their hands tied together over their heads, chained to the ceiling. >> of course, many supporters of the bush administration are against the release of this report. so you're the counterpoint mitch mcconnell. >> this particular release in my judgment, serves no purpose whatsoever, other than to endanger americans around the world at a time of growing concern about the rise of terrorism.
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the president seemed to declare the war on terror over a while back. the terrorists obviously did not get the message. >> we heard a lot of graphic things described today as this report came out. we are all jaded and cynical in various ways, but i'm curious to know what was the most unsettling thing you learned today? >> that the cia, in the wake of 9/11, when they were given a brand-new set of responsibilities, through the constitution out and decided in its conduct of handling people who were detained, dealing with the congress, decided that they knew best. some of the physical stuff is horrible to read about but the general prospect by which the cia decided they were going to do whatever they want to do even when it went against american value, pretty staggering. >> not the first time it has happened but i have to say you are right. the scope of deception. not as with the congress but to
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president george w. bush. i think it would be hard to read this. from senator feinstein said was in this report. very graphic. if you read these details, you cannot help but think this is torture. if this is not torture, there is no such thing as torture. it is staggering americans were carrying that out around the world. . >> i do not know it we will see the 6000 paid version, but the hundred 50 page version has things like the detainees with and launched while naked and drive. sexual abuse. >> rectal feeding, icewater bath. threats to detainees' families. it is a litany of horrors. >> the most notable republicans
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to break rank and support the report, john mccain, who himself was tortured in vietnam. this is what senator mccain said on the senate floor about the necessity of releasing the report. >> the truth, sometimes, is a hard pill to swallow. it sometimes causes us difficulties at home and abroad. it is sometimes used by our enemies in attempts to hurt us. but the american people are entitled to it nonetheless. we must be made -- able to make informed judgment about whether the policies and personnel whose of order them were justified compromising our values. whether they serve the greater good, or whether, as i believe they stained our national honor. did much harm and little practical good. >> because this became a
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partisan thing today, every democrat supporting the report and republican opposing it mccain statement stood out and became a touchstone to the white house and here's what vice president biden had to say. >> i strongly urge you to take a look at the speech john made today. it is taking. explaining inarticulate way better than anything i. >> counterattack came from john brennan, saying that yes in fact, the agent he had made mistakes, but he also said the interrogations has led to solid information. john, so far, who is winning the spin wars about the report and veracity? >> i would say up until the moment that john mccain to floor, the side that was against releasing this had won the day. john mccain transformed this
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fight from being a partisan fight with democrats against republicans to someone with unique perspective to speak. and made a very powerful case. that complicated the politics. >> let's hope no americans are hurt in the next weeks. but anyone who opposed the report should do his -- history of service. read it and see what you think about what the cid -- cia did. >> there will be a long dispute about whether we use techniques. about the nature and character of the technique themselves, i do not think there is any more debate. i think if they read this report with clear eyes, i think they will admit that is true. let's hear from jesse watters,
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our colleague. >> i find it ironic they are dropping this report on the same day that gruber is testifying to not that out of the front pages. >> an excellent point. the other action on the hill was about a guy we are trying to avoid. not because jonathan gruber is a fake news story but because it is a classic washington sideshow. a famous m.i.t. professor testified and apologized for saying that americans are stupid. as part of the deal, he got to receive the ceremonial shaming. >> i was there when they honored tom hanks. famously, forest gump. the ultimate in successful stupid men. are you stupid? >> i was very frustrated. they were insulting. >> so mark gruber goes to the hill. great for the freak show today.
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do you think this testimony has any long-term implications for the fate of obamacare? >> it will turn a lot of viewers against obamacare. [laughter] >> this has been a sideshow still a sideshow. it was great for those who liked theater. >> for if you wanted to learn how to apologize. very emphatic. >> there's a tongue coming up or obamacare. supreme court ruling. >> huge. >> you have the question of premium increases. a lot going on. gruber, great for whipping up the republican base, but no impact whatsoever. >> the new york times and others have written about what some of us are underestimating, the long-term effects of obamacare on the politics of the democratic party. on redistribution element. how it is fracturing the
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democratic coalition. but this has nothing to do with any of that. >> president obama, bad news for you. your approval rating is 39%, the lowest it has never been in our politics poll. in the very same poll, republicans are seen as more confrontational than democrats in the midterm. the people we surveyed also said the program is acting more out of his belief in a vision for the country whereas republicans are acting more because they want to antagonize the president. so the dissonance is striking. president at an all-time low in job approval, but he is somehow winning the war over something americans care a lot about which is doing the right thing or doing something to antagonize the opposition. >> the president's demeanor about which we have commented on many times, has upside and downside. there are many places where it
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seems like he is too professorial. his being so tonally helps him in this battle. even when he is being aggressive , he explained that in a calm way. republicans react in a hyperbolic way. fire on the gasoline. i think a lot of americans see the atonement of the republicans and realize they must be the antagonize her's, rather than the, calm, collected president. >> the republicans need to get things done. they have to achieve things. they have to do it in a way, stylistically, where they get credit for it and seem like responsible adults. very hard for this republican parties. but these are hard numbers for republicans, because they want to be seen as doing the right thing, not innately attacking the president. >> the other thing is that there is hangover here.
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for the last six years, it is a fact that republicans have pursued a principal strategy of opposing everything obama does. they benefited from it politically in 2010 and 2014. so they are conditioned to think republicans oppose obama. maybe there is some truth to that. >> like most americans congressional republicans should take their cue from the results of the bloomberg politics poll. we are going to did more into this report from the cia. right after this. ♪
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>> we are joined by al hunt and john walcott, who have been leaping through the torture report all day. good to have you. >> thank you.
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>>. >> this has been a staggering day in terms of the coverage of this report. we are all pretty jaded about the matters under discussion. but were there things that were surprising or shocking to you that were revealed in the report today? >> unlike john walcott, i have not read much of it. but yes there were. it went far beyond what i expected. on the politics of the matter the people who are opposed to the release of this report dominated for 48 hours. dick cheney and others. then feinstein stood up and it was a pretty even match. and john mccain stood up and it was game, set, match. let's call it off. >> john walcott i want to go back to this question. what the cia does use in the report. i know they have a dispute over whether any valuable
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intelligence was gained through these enhanced interrogation techniques. was there anything else in the report that the cia is disputing? >> that is the main dispute. they claim that these techniques yielded valuable intelligence. after reading the report and going through the footnotes, a lot of their own officials dispute that. the report does a thorough job of tearing apart that assertion. >> john one of the key issues seems to be the claims and senator feinstein was very aggressive in making the point about general hayden that there is a web of the notion that there was a lot of deception. there were lies systematically taken to the white house and the american people. how much of that information in the report is also new and puts
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the cia on the defensive in terms of justifying what it did in that area? >> you are right to single out general hayden because the report ends you get near the end of the 500 pages released today with a side-by-side comparison of statements by general hayden when he was cia director and the fact that the report uncovered. and they contradict each other point by point were about five or 10 pages. >> you have seen fight like this before, as you suggested. it is not purely partisan. u.s. senators like mccain. in this fight, you have a strange position for the white house. they are in favor of releasing the work, but you do not hear the president being worked right . there is no talk about prosecution. what is the administration's posture as you see it? >> it is a good point. it is worse than that because the obama administration is
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claiming credit for this, which they did not deserve. rahm emanuel said stay away from this whole thing. for the white house to claim barack obama is responsible for us knowing about this is dead wrong. it is the senate committee, dianne feinstein, and i think the white house is in a bit of an awkward position. >> john, do you think there is an accurate accounting of what took place, a point that many senators made today, that we need to look at this and have an honest accounting of what happened. do you think that in terms of how the intelligence community works going forward that there is any likelihood of tangible change that will come out of this? >> unlikely but the one thing that is missing from this report is the account of the pressure that the intelligence community was under, particularly from vice president cheney and secretary rumsfeld and their aides who went out to langley and demanded more information
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about possible attacks on the united states, about links to iraq, which were never there. and that does not excuse the conduct of cia officials. the other thing that is interesting in this report, if there's anything encouraging, is scattered in the footnotes, account after account of guys in the field who were analyzing the intelligence saying we have problems. all of that ignored at top levels probably because of political pressure they were under the white house and pentagon. >> the main reasons that people cited with a report not being released related to american intelligence that overseas could be in danger. the other that there could be more generalized violence against the united they. -- states. what is your sense based on your familiarity with one what was in the report? are those found it? >> we do not know.
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there were people beheaded in the last couple of months before this report came out. so violence is going to occur whether the report came out or not. we knew there was torture beforehand. we knew there were allegations about lies. but there is a lot more in this and again, some of it is quite graphic. rectal feeding. $81 million paid to contractors. that is a taxpayer ripoff i do not think richard burr wants to defend. 26 people who were wrongly part of this program. two informants by mistake abused by the cia. there is a lot of documentation. >> john, let me follow up. there is a point you made earlier, which is that a lot of people from the cia and bush air a white house came out to rebut
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this report over the weekend. and there is a lot of specific evidence that is offered for more critical elements of the report. what is the next move for those who have been or are facing fire right now? is there going to be another round of attempts to rebut the report now that it is on the record on the part of the bush era of folks? >> not if they are smart. they had an internal contradiction. they were arguing that there was nothing new so we do not need to release the report. but if we release it, it will cause havoc around the world. as if there were not that already. for them to want to go back and reopen this is you -- issue seems to be asking for trouble that they really do not need. >> were you surprised by things in this or -- report? >> i was surprised at the degree
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of graphic detail. i would strongly recommend that people do not have strong stomachs don't read all of it. some of it is grotesque. >> thank you very much. when we come back, we told a professional filmmaker to infiltrate the paparazzi. ♪
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>> it was only yesterday when we were talking about real and kate -- will and kate. the duke and duchess of cambridge called over to gotham city. all the fan boys and fan girls try to steal their souls. we sent griffin hammond to join
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the pack and become a paparazzi. >> here is a business card i received last night. my job title does not include the word "royal,', but i found myself outside the carlyle hotel , i'm sure if the duke and duchess were even inside. but this secret service vehicle tells me this is a motorcade ready to go. >> have you been waiting your long? >> only a small group had gathered, including mateo martino. >> i am outside all day. i thought there would be more people your. surprisingly, there is not. >> by 6:00, matteo and his friends that in there for half an hour. >> we just want to say, here we
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are, good to see you. >> it is really boring, waiting for royalty. so they interviewed me. >> what is your name? >> griffin hammond. >> we laughed with friendly cops and worried about the british flag tangled in the wind. everyone's iphones were dead half an hour later, so they were counting on me to capture a good auto -- photo. i worry that i do not travel with telephoto lenses. matteo does not think we will see much. >> just a quick profile, and cops pushing us out of the way. >> suddenly, cops on the move. i mash the shutter. that is it. three seconds of royalty. >> i saw a hand and that is about it. it could have been everybody --
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anybody. my wife is thrilled, so as long as she is happy, i am happy. >> i did not think i captured much of value, but everyone wanted my e-mail address. for the crowd huddled around my camera, even these grainy digitally zoomed in shots were something to be cherished. >> griffin you got to spend some time with the royals. >> i was 10 rows behind them. there is will, there is kate. next to them, dikembe mutombo and kevin shakey. who was the most glamorous person in that group? >> kevin shakey. we will be back after this. ♪
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>> it is our favorite part of
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the show, the advent calendar revealed. today, burt reynolds. some of his memorabilia is hitting the auction block. up next, taking stock.
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>> i am pimm fox and this is what i am taking stock of on december 9, 2014. global stock prices fell today. china tightened bank lending requirements, and investors were concerned because of greek elections. stockton china fell the most in 2009. and the greek exchange tumbled the most and 1987. blackrock's larry fink expects equity buying to slow down. >> i think it will start moderating. if interest rates continue to be suppressed i think ultimately, equity return is going to be somewhat muted. >>

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