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the release of the cia program. >> in a limited number of cases, agency officers used interrogation techniques but had not been authorized, were a, and should be -- were a pond, and it should be repudiated by all. joining me now with similar john mccain. joining me now is did.ilar john mccain i know you are received a lot of attention about the elegant speech about america's values on the senate floor. i know the use of quarter compromises that distinction is a from our enemies, all belief beliefl people -- our that all people possess basic human rights are protected by international conventions. the united states not only joined for the most part.

give the sense of the first reaction to what you settle how the blowback -- said on the floor but also how google marquez,. -- how you assess that. >> the blowback is interesting in that brendan yesterday made the incredible statement that results of these enhanced interrogation techniques, eits, but the results were unknowable -- that the results were unknowable. that is remarkable because usually when someone is interrogated and we get certain information from it, then you know whether you got information or not. so i will be interested in an elaboration there. think one of the reasons he made the statement that way is that they basically do have concrete results that they can point to. they say a number of things but

on close examination these results were not gained from eits. the other thing i would like to point out to charlie is that petraeus,iots, -- the i respect him as much as anyone that i met in the military, was quoted in "the wall street journal" today. "if you want information from a detainee, you become his best friend. that is what worked for us with our special operators in iraq and afghanistan." david patriots will sell you the very know what the results were there were good results and we did not violate -- do the vivid petraeus will tell you that they were good results and did not violate the geneva convention. >> is maybe over the long run

due best way to go, we were under enormous pressure at that moment because america have been attacked to find out as much as we can, as much as we could, as fast as we could. >> i understand that, charlie, and i think all americans shared that view at that point. but i think we also have to understand whether or not that was the most effective way. in other words, if you spend time becoming a friend and get valuable and useful information or do you torture somebody, believe me, waterboarded started with the spanish inquisition -- waterboarding started with the spanish inquisition, we hung a japanese war criminals for waterboarding americans after world war ii, if that will receive concrete results you can use in combating this enemy that attacked america. and i think that is part of the question but the major question is, it is not about

interrogation, what they got. it is not about the nature of our enemy. it is about us and what kind of country we were, what we are, and what we will be. me thatmorrell said to the debate that needs to happen is over the morality of doing terrible things twitter person versus the morality of doing nothing in the face of great versus theo a person morality of doing nothing in the face of great danger. what you would do is say that you need to become the best friend of this person so he is motivated. >> you use that as well as other techniques which i think can also be used. that brings us again, if mr. up and his so fired people, one of the results unknowable? -- why are the results unknowable? we have done these two people,

one of them died, some of the techniques are really, you want to turn your head. atn you waterboard somebody 183 times, is that a way to get -- waterboardtion somebody 183 times, is that a way to get useful information? there are allegations that we found out another evidence that we found out that information about osama bin laden before the employed these eits. some of that may have to be resolved. the way, it was known around the world, it was not a secret and this is not revealing a secret that we used these eits. and by the way, i did not see eal, and ased z possible increase in zero all the part of al qaeda and ice is to attack the united states whether this information was out zeal on the part

of al qaeda and isis to attack the united states whether this information was out there or not. i think they were carrying out orders and there was not a prohibition at that time, certainly a specific prohibition in american law, although the geneva convention clearly, which is the treatment of prisoners. not prisoners of war battlefield but prisoners. that prohibits this. we have this information out there. the debate will go on for a while but i would hope that we would have laws -- which we do, we of the detainee treatment act of other legislation that we enacted.- let's move on as a better nation. only america, could we come clean, give all of the information to our public, and then move forward because that is really the only way we can close the chapter.

that i another reason have problems with some of the aspects of this report. it is better to have gotten it out, get it behind us, and move on. we have an enemy that is hell-bent on destroying us through >> with problems you have with the report? >> i think they should've been a greater effort to interview some individuals -- they are sure to have been a greater effort to interview some individuals. >> including cia directors? [applause] so.ink so -- >> i think the rationale was that there was a justice department investigation and i was not that familiar, i would love to estimate be bipartisan and that would've avoided a lot of what we are hearing but what your urine from them is that nobody in the senate objected, that is not true. -- met with the

vice president at length in a secret and secure room in the y voiced my very strong objections -- where ie time voiced my very strong objections to it at the time. >> tell me what you said to general hayden at that time. >> i told him, he went through these weree that mild ways of getting information and we needed to get. what you might expect. look, general, i sympathize with you and your job . i know what it is, there are threats to america. but i cannot countenance waterboarding. i cannot countenance it. it is something that fits all of the description of torture. and so i said the same thing to the vice president. the vice president came to a republican lunch to argue against legislation that we were about to pass on the detainee treatment act and he and i had a

debate in the vote was overwhelming, 90 something to six. >> when you look at this debate and you see the conflict that is expressed in the dialogue, how do you characterize these former directors use it was fully informed the congress, we were working under legal authority -- fully informed at congress, we were working under legal authority. these are honorable men and women, were they not? >> they were saying yesterday that it is unknowable. was also cias director thought that the best way to do it was what he said about if you want information, become his best friend. >> george tenet, who was cia director, said that we can tell

you specifically how we got information that led to the -- tot to either rescue capture or kill osama bin laden. >> i keep hearing that but there is argument on the other side of the information that they got, the useful information that they got was before they inflicted the eits. there is a debate out there as to whether that technique was indeed successful or not. if that was indeed the case, why did mr. brennan yesterday say that the results were unknowable? you either know or you don't know. >> i hear you. there is also, as you pointed out, this major point in terms of the reaction around the world. august is country, assuming it has had the -- how does this

country, assuming it does have the impact, go about repairing the damage? is it important to acknowledge mistakes? technology our mistake -- acknowledging our mistakes is the right step. we did that after the abuses at abu ghraib and were able to put that behind us. ande was an investigation people were responsible and the information is out there and we can tell the world, we are not far fromamerica's perfect, but we are the only nation in the world economic -- thate our mistakes can acknowledge our mistakes. the russians and chinese are supposedly critical. let's have the russians talk to us about the treatment of their detainees and the chinese, the treatment of tibet. that is what makes america proud. we make mistakes, admit mistakes, and move on. that is what i believe we are.

it is really, this particular situation, as i keep repeating, is what america is all about. >> tell us, if you will, even though you spoke of this a thousand times. what is it that torture does twitter person -- to a person? >> the infliction of pain is really something that fits the description of torture. it'shat it does is that there is enough pain inflicted, who was having the on them, sooner or later, will say anything to make the pain stop that he thinks the interrogator wants to hear. that is why you get a wealth of misinformation. there were numerous times in north vietnam where our captors inflicted pain on people. we did not tell them the truth when it came time.

we told them whatever we thought was necessary to make the pain stop. that is certainly what you might expect. got if younot only inflicted enough pain that they said something, but was it good information or bad information? we do not know. general betray us is talking petraus iseneral betra talking about developing an .relationship that is the good job in backup routine, when they interrogate people it is not an unusual technique. former bestow, friend john stuart has taken your speech on the senate floor and set it to music and you cheering crowds and he is saying

john is back. .> john mccain forever >> my favorite was his line moneys says, don't ever leave me again. -- where he says, don't ever leave me again. [applause] >> -- [laughter] .> thank you, senator >> diane is here. friend, a former princes, and a grandmother. designser most iconic is the wrap dress which salutes its 40th anniversary this year. she has written them walk all put a bar called "but i wanted to be." -- a memoir called "but i wanted do and i wanted to be the --

"the woman i wanted to be." >> it is a big deal for them to go into the company. they will about the pr and the design. >> i have made a mistake. >> i do not know how you would be an ambassador when you are not likable. >> cannot decide who was the brand ambassador, i am deciding. >> did better put their seatbelts on. -- they're going to have a crash course and they better put their seatbelts on. >> i am happy to have you back at the table. as it been a good year -- has it been a good year/ ? >> it has been a busy year.

but a big year because i finished this memoir and i never want to do therapy this is the light therapy -- went into therapy and this is like therapy. >> this means what to you? >> i started this book because i wanted to tell my mother's story. 22, she was a prisoner of war, she was in auschwitz. she came back and she weighed 49 pounds. she came back to belgium, she met my father, they got married, and the doctors said that you cannot have a child for three years because you will not be able to handle it in the child will not be normal. -- and the child will not be normal. i was born nine months later and i was normal. >> there is some question about that. [laughter] but it was 18 months after she was in auschwitz.

>> that is really nothing. and so, after my mother passed away 14 years ago i did a lot of research and the holocaust -- and the holocaust museum. she used to certainly that when she got arrested the truck she wrote a note and threw it in the meeet for my parents -- tell that when she got arrested in the truck she wrote a note and threw it in the streets for my parents. i do not think she knew that that no had been kept by her sister. after she died at her sister died, i found the know and when i found this little note in my hands and i was in her house and i found this note and she said, i do not knows, where i am going to i want you to know i am leaving with a -- but i want you to know i am meeting with a smile. area i this is who i am

am the daughter of someone who went to the camp with a smile. she did not go with a smile but she said she did. that explains so much about me. so by telling my mother's story, i am --ins so much wh who i am. she used to say that god saved me so that i could give you life. and by giving you life you brought my life back. you are my freedom. this is where this little girl, this little belgium girl with curly hair, that was the thing she was told, you are my freedom. that explains -- you know me well -- doesn't that explain? >>. and more. -- that and more. she died in 19? >> 2001. >> should live to see you come

to new york -- she lived to see you come to new york to become the woman who became? >> she met two of my grandchildren. she took care of my children and she was a part of my life. >> she was a tiger mom, you say. meeting? ?- meaning what i was afraid of the dark she locked me in because it. that's if he was sitting here, >> ifuld say to her -- she was sitting here, you would say to her? >> thank you. i would say thank you to her and she would say thank you to me because in many ways i was a vengeance. -- or vengeance >> you say this book was written with blood. >> i opened my heart and opened my soul and i said the truth. and it is very funny because i

say so much about me, this book is almost like i went to the yet i am verynd reserved. i do not like to talk about myself the people close to me. but if you are going to do this kind of exercise, the whole point is to inspire others, and people, women of all ages, will identify with some of this. because we are all the same. we all are strong and insecure. i think that is the point of writing a memoir, for people to identify with it. >> this is the woman you wanted to be. who was the woman who did not want to be? be a slavet want to housewife. [laughter] i did not want to be somebody not in control of her life.

>> what was the famous cover "tory in "the new yorker magazine that caused you to get divorce? d? >> it was 1973, that cover, and i already knew you. it was the couple that has everything. is it enough? it was beautiful, we were the it double and boomer glamorous and some. and we were glamorous and handsome. i realized i had no control over the couple and i could no longer be the couple, i had to be me. and so we separated but we stayed good friends. >> you want to him and said it is not for me -- went to him and said it is not for me? >> something like that. >> he said most of our

relationship you have is with your son. the one advice i tell every person in the world. the most important relationship in life is the one you have with yourself. once you have that every other relationship is a plus and not a minus. >> you know i agree with that. >> i know you do, more than anyone. you met me, i was maybe 25 years old. how was i? >> you know what i thought. >> but how was i? were caught you but you are at reason to have confidence, much more boldly that i was. -- will be than i was. i was a country boy from north carolina that came to the city and a few people thought i had potential. >> i am so proud of you. i go to sleep walking you when i wake up watching you and i am -- and i wakeud

up watching you and i am very, very proud. rapturous about the -- rep dress -- wrap dress. manufactureran asked me to intern for him and he taught me everything about the printing. fabricht me about jersey . then i came to america and i thought, i should make samples and try to sell them in america. and then i did. rap topas a little wqr that came with a skirt and i turned it into a dress. idea that this would become -- there had never been a dress that has covered so many generations. so when i designed the stress, i was not even thinking -- this dress, i was not even picking up making a fashion statement. making something nice

so i could sell so i could be independent. >> that is the key word, so you could be independent. >> i did not know what i wanted to do, but i knew the woman i wanted to be. >> you did not want to be dependent. so you may distress and you learn these skills and take a look at this. -- made this dress and you learn that these skills and take a look at this. >> 40 years ago. >> this is what the ad said. with clothes that are your dress with the most flattering skirt you could wear, flat and smooth across your hips. eight top that wraps around you a top that wraps around

you. >> you make it sound so hot. >> she looks divine and so will you. >> i did this out because we had forgotten to get a model or she looked sick and he said, why don't you do it? >> ebola will the things that you do what you wanted to begin with that you bought all of the things that you wanted to begin with. then what happened. >> we saturated the market. >> did you learn a lesson there? [applause] i learned >> i learned so many -- >> i learned so many lessons. i went in because medics and i sold the company and i thought i was finished. cosmetics and i sold the company and i thought it was finished. i thought i had lost my identity

and i started again 15 years ago. dress? the wrap what made you think you could bring them back. >> i saw young women buying them in the did shops. -- vintage shops. >> what has your company become? >> it is global, it is a lifestyle company with stalls all over the world including china. but what i tried to say of this book is even when you are successful and you get successful, you still make mistakes. i talked about two or three years ago, i went off brand and i had to go back on brand. the first part is about the woman i am and the other is the business of fashion. i think that in the business of fashion, i did therapy by really analyzing all of the things. because i am an entrepreneur,

not a ceo. so i always work with passion and making things happen. but it is not just that. you still have to run a company. >> where do you want to take it? >> i have three parts. -- partt partner was was american dream, the second era was come back, and i would his legacy -- now what it is legacy. good thing about aging is you have a past. if you have a past, you are a part of america. people know you. the grandmothers, the mothers. then you have a legacy. and my legacy, what does the brand stand for? it is solution driven, it is defined in your closet, it is a

love brand. hopefully it can continue after me. there was a time when you did not like to think about yourself as a designer. >> it is not that i didn't like it is that i didn't dare. because i did not go to design school. beginning, i did not dare call myself a designer. but i do know. >> yes you do [laughter] . >> i have proven it. >> yes you have. respect means a lot to you. you want people to respect. to getect means a lot from people but i also respect others. respect is a lot, yes, yes. it is funny you say that. >> why is it funny i say that? i have never been told

that before and it is nice that you can do an interview/ >> -- interview. >> what has barry met for you? >> berry is the mountain. i took them for granted. granted area that i fell madly in love with him 35 years ago and we were together for five years and i went on. and then i took him for granted. he knows and i know and we both knew that somehow we would end up together. we knew that. >> through the other affairs and relationships, you thought you would end up with barry? >> deep down, yes. early in the relationship we were coming back from the was drivingbarry fast and he slowed down to let an old couple crossed the street. the old man was helping his wife and they were walking.

both barry and all you had the same time, that we would be that -- all i had the same vision at the same time, that we would be that couple. barry is definitely the most important man in my life. it was a luxury. but i think it has a lot to do also with i have a lot of love for my father. therefore i took love from men for granted so i was never needy. that is not good for a woman to be needy. is a good today demand for granted -- is it good to take a man for granted? >> no, but it is better than being needy. to do wanted me

television shows because you get closer to the new generation and people came to me with horrible ideas. day, alexander, my son, says to me that all you need is hot girls going around the world were in your close in doing so -- wearing your close and doing social media. and i thought, maybe we will have brand ambassadors and that should be the tv show. it girls coming to the company and learn about everything. girls, into the company and learn about everything. they are competing. i love to be with young girls. i love the beginning of people's lives when all the doors are there. i love that. even though i am an old grandmother and all of that i still really to that moment in

life when you push your first door. >> women's issues are important. >> wanted to empower myself. read.wered myself having done that, it is my duty and my privileged, whatever, to try to empower women. i do it through my work. i give them sexy close that make them look and feel confident. i do it as a mentor. i give speeches at universities and things like that. and i do it through philanthropy. i am what you because everything i do is connected to the same thing. -- lucky because everything i do is connected to the same thing. >> what haven't you done that you wanted to do? >> i have never written a play. i would never be able to write a play. --will your and other book you write another book? >> i don't know.

>> you said you've never had therapy, never been twitching for anything. not once. >> i did go once but i never went back. >> why was that? >> because i thought, how could i begin to tell her? [laughter] but i wrote my diary and i think that was therapy. it was very boring. ,f you read my diaries wherever you are you are ready turning point. -- wherever you are at you are at a turning point. >> do you really have no skeletons? >> that is good. >> there are things that you have not told us.

>> there is plenty that i have not told. i talk about the things that were important, that made me the woman i wanted to be. some things did not make the cut. >> the things that made you the woman you wanted to be, your mother and the drive that she gave you -- >> my work and my children. >> how important is your work to? >> -- to you? >> it is everything because it gave me an identity. i could pay for my bills and my children's education. it made me famous. everything. how important is your work? we are too little capricorn ghosts. wo little capricorn goats. >> we are both in love with the

broader world. >> we are curious. you allow the voice of others. you bring the most interesting people around the table and give them a voice. that is major. that becomes history. >> you knew me when this was a dream. remember? >> i knew you and you were adorable, you were the same and you were adorable. proud. why i feel very [laughter] >> you think, look in the mirror, you see -- complicity with myself. >> complicity? >> i am very much my best friend. i see my best friend. that is where i get my strength. >> your mother gave you that? >> i think so.

she forced me to be strong. never allowed me to be afraid. moments, i amttle scared for a minute, i close my eyes and i think of my mother. that was the worst kind of suffering/ >> but she made it. >> did you talk to you about it? >> she did and she didn't. a lot of people that know i am the daughter of a holocaust survivor, and talk to me and there are fascinating stories and we have a bond in common but a lot of them have the weight. my mother did not give me the weight. she did not tell me the world was evil at all. she only talk to me about the positive. in the dark, you have to look for the light and build around the light. she did not tell me people were evil.

she witnessed evil but she refused to see it. >> you have done well. >> i love you. diane von furstenberg, she is on television. vf." house of d the remarkable thing is that she is taking a deep, deep glass of the fullness of life. it is constantly exciting and makes her more interesting as a friend. what a glorious thing to have, good friends. but in a moment. -- back in a moment. stay with us. ♪

tim kaine has been a mirror, a governor, and a senator. a member of the formulations and armed services committee, he was the driving force behind authorizing the war with the islamic state. senator kaine, it is nice to have you here. 10 is an eight votes, that is not a ringing endorsement -- 10-8 votes, that is not a reading endorsement. >> it was not what i was hoping

for. the ground in a rut growing to 3000, 3 americans have been killed. and congress had not had a discussion or a committee hearing or a vote until we did it. and i do believe that it is the will of both bodies and both parties. we have to authorize the war. >> you thought it was essential. >> i am disappointed we did not get to a quicker but the fact of the authorization, that will be the default version when we get to it eventually. >> a republican takes over the formulations committee in january. when you pick it up again then, what modifications would you expect? >> the dots were the resolution mission of thee president presented.

battling isil. we bought a sunset, within three years. i do not think that will be controversial with the new senate. the one point of controversy is what we put in which was a limitation on ground troops. the president said of five different times, this will not be an exercise were we put american ground groups and to combat missions in iraq or syria. we wrote the authorization to say that. it is not only a good idea because the president said it, it is a good idea because people like secretary gates says that putting people into missions is a big mistake. >> you created some exceptions. if it was necessary to protect personnel or operations on a limited basis. >> the other exception is since we are doing airstrikes, ground troops to spot. to minimize civilian casualties.

there are some limited exceptions without those on the other side that wanted it to be a more robust possibility of including ground operations -- but there are those of the other side that wanted it to be a more robust possibility of including ground operations. >> is that was under kerry wanted? -- what secretary to read wanted? >> it is close. we looked at the exceptions and said it would be covered by that exception so they are clearly worried about contingencies. there are going to be contingencies that we do about the goat but we think we have crafted exceptions that are significant enough that if the president decides, contrary to what i said, this is a measure that requires the student use of ground troops, we do not want the president to come back to congress and] we want the president-elect to come back and -- we won't be president to have to come back and make the case to the congress. >> the administration has no

input. months after the korean war against the islamic state, why can the white house not to do a plenary strategy or language -- the declaration of war against the islamic state, why can't the white house to view a plan or a strategy or language? >> this upsets me. i said you cannot do this without congress. the president has said that he would welcome congressional involvement after the election. i think it is important to work on an authorization. instances, the white house did not send over a draft authorization that described the mission. usually, that is how this starts. the president would give a speech like you did also cover to. the president -- like he did on september 10. the president would send over a draft proposal and we would debate that. onead to draft

ourselves. i do not know if it reflects ambivalence or concern based on previous expenses that what they send to congress is what they will not do. . they may have been reluctant to hand some into congress that they would oppose regardless of whether the article to branch does what it is supposed to do or not. the article one branch has a responsibility. the constitution states that you cannot start a war without congress and there are good reasons. >> we have been doing that for years. >> residents overreach and congresses -- residents overreach and it may be good to not do some thing that is not popular. that is not fair to the men and women who served. if we are going to out them to restore lives, we ought to at least debate and say that the mission is in the national interest. if we ask that, we can ask that sacrifice. >> this measure would repeal the

2002 authority or resolution for the war against iraq but not the 2001. is that correct? >> very important point. the one challenge is that you , thethese authorizations al qaeda authorizations and the iraq authorizations that are still out there. they have never been repealed. canquestion is that it create a confusing pattern of is this authorized or double authorized or unauthorized? our authorization against ifo, we did two things. with the iraq authorization, we repealed that. the administration testified that we ought to repealed the 02 authorization. with the 01 authorization to go after al qaeda, we do not appear that but we say this will have a three-year sunset. we should work with the administration to find, is there

a version of the authorization that we need going forward to fight terrorist groups wherever they are but is not so open-ended geographically in time? it has led to a perpetual war of 13 years. sunset onhree-year the 01 authorization so we can work with the white house to craft more refined language. >> do you think republicans like senator corker and senator paul are with you on this? >> senator corker actually has done very good work with the on howouse on dialogue you can take the 2001 authorization and narrow it down. there does not seem to be opposition within the body about repealing the authorization. what we did in this package is authorized the war against isil, repeal the old authorization, and start the process to come up with a better version of the 2001 al qaeda authorization to go after terrorist groups but in

a more limited and careful way. >> senator, you are a member of the foreign relations and armed services committee. how is the war going? i a member, but in october, i went with senator king. -- we went to cutter where the combined air campaign is being operated. it is a room like this with the screen -- big screens on the wall. there are quarterly's working together to look at targets in iraq and syria and make a secision about, -- coeterie working together to look at targets in iraq in syria and make decisions. the work that secretary kerry has done to help the government go from the maliki government that kicked sunnis and kurds around way more inclusive government, that has been impressive.

i would say we are winning. on the iraq side, we are making progress. the part that is the tough part is in syria because the civil , thethe atrocities fragmented nature of the opposition, is making progress difficult. the way i look at the war against isil, when we went to world war ii, we did not just invaded germany. want to north africa and italy and eventually germany. -- we went to north africa and italy and eventually germany. the first phase will be to stabilize the border between syria and other nations and iraq. in syria, the provision of humanitarian aid -- you are the largest title is the world -- training -- we are the largest provider of a bear in the world. the civil wament

a -- we will look for a moment to end the civil war there. >> you voted against harry reid. is there a moment to cap younger leaders? >> yet slightly different reasons but that was a part of my thinking and i will say this. i voted against it leadership and we had a big loss. i was not willing to confirm the existing team until we had a strategic discussion, we are going from majority to minority, what are we going to do in the minority of the country's business and do it the right way? the only minority we have seen is that minority trying to obstruct the president, we do not want to be obstructionist. we want to be productive to draw a clear contrast.

that is why i voted. i will say this about the leadership. your point about is more young people to come in, we do read and others decided that should be the case, so they brought in mark wahlberg warner and elizabeth warren. this is a way that we will create new ideas and thoughts as we tackle this new challenge of being a minority party. >> what should those no ideas and thoughts be? november --strous new ideas and thoughts be? >> it was a disastrous november. >> the map was bad, but i reject the thoughts that we do not have anything to feel bad about. iraq to look in the mirror about what did we do wrong that we could do better. -- you have to look in the mirror about what we did wrong

that we could do better. more,d to be on the floor pushing more legislation and having more votes. up or down, we win them or lose them, but you do that -- i saw is that once we got the hard work done on workplace fairness, immigration reform, the budget, some of those things would go to the house and there would be no response. and that of the steam out of, why do we want to push legislation? i had told exhibit i will vote on it hard to get something passed, i will vote on accountability will voted down. i do not want to -- on a hard bill if it will be voted down. but i do not want to vote an adult that they will not vote on. we need to get better at that. >> give me two are three policies you would like democrats to do better. >> one area is infrastructure. u.s. chamber of

commerce and organized labor say, let's do an infrastructure package, whenever the economy, take advantage of low interest rates, there is no reason we should not be able to find common ground on the structure -- on infrastructure package intuition. you will see significant efforts on the revolt inside to knock -- epa over and allow republican side to knock the epa over and not tackle climate. we have contact with the right way but we should fight tooth -- weil to stop anybody have to do with the right way but we should fight to the delta stop anybody from pushing over the epa. >> you were placed the candidacy of hillary clinton. >> i hope probable. >> you endorsed obama eight years ago. time, jim webb, your predecessor, it continued democrat, has indicated that he might seek the nomination. would you stick with hillary?

\ [applause] i am going to -- >> i am going to stick with hillary. i thought hard before i decided to support senator clinton. i think she is the person. update something away from jim webb are other people. i think she will run but my intuition says that that is true. >> tim kaine of virginia, thank you for being with us. ♪

>> "with all due respect" to elizabeth warren, we are not running for pope at the moment. on the show tonight, hillary clinton looks us to the left, dick cheney looks us in the eye, and sony tells us to look away. jeb bush gave a typical commencement speech filled with life lessons for the students of the university of south carolina. the big moment came in an interview aired sunday on miami's abc affiliate. it was an interview in which bush said he would make public one quarter million e-mails from